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A Look At Chris Myers And His Contract Negotations, Or How His Deal Won't Break Houston's Cap

Big bucks are in his future.

One of the key offseason contract negotiations to take place for the Houston Texans over the coming weeks will be with Pro Bowl center Chris Myers. From a player standpoint, and this is by no means disrespectful to Myers, his deal probably rates third in importance to the franchise, behind quarterback destroyer Mario Williams and defensive shredder Arian Foster.

There seems to be some concern by fans that the Texans can’t sign all three, forgetting that Mario’s 2011 cap hit was excessively high and you could get a deal where he’s not making the per-year amount as last year. I digress and come back to Mr. Myers...after the jump.

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According to Spotrac.com, Myers had a cap hit of $3.5 million in 2011, good for ninth among centers. This number is significant since he's already being paid as one of the top centers in the league, but, for the sake of his new contract, you have to compare him to the two highest-paid centers – New York’s Nick Mangold and Carolina’s Ryan Kalil.

Mangold signed an 8-year/$57.4 million in 2010, and Kalil inked a 6-year/$49 million contract in 2011. More importantly, they have $25 and $28 million dollars guaranteed. With veterans, this guaranteed number matters considerably more since they can be cut at any time. While Myers is a bona-fide top-three center, he won’t draw near as much money as Kalil and Mangold.

For starters, Myers turns 31 when the new season starts, whereas those two signed the deals as 26-year olds. Myers also is a system-specific center. He is smaller and works best in the zone-blocking scheme, as opposed to a traditional line or a power-heavy line. Really, the only potential competition would come from Seattle or Washington, and Myers probably won’t go to a team rebuilding when he has five or six years left to contribute to a winning team. The leverage is really in Houston’s hands in this negotiation.

Of course, the Texans will not screw Myers. They will do right by him because he has been loyal to the deep steel blue and earned his worth. That is the kind of organization Bob McNair is running. Still, I feel, due to the reasons pointed out, that the deal will not be astronomical. Under no known circumstance can I logically see it approaching those levels.

I would peg Myers' new deal in the neighborhood of 5-years for $25-30 million dollars with $18-20 million guaranteed. The center formerly known as Ragdoll will get his raise, his important guaranteed total, and Houston avoids breaking the cap and locking themselves in a bad deal since Myers should be effective into his mid-30s, as most top centers (Kevin Mawae, Jeff Saturday, and Olin Kuertz being recent examples) have shown to be.

Mario Williams had a cap hit of $15.1 million in 2011. If you simply do a deal and bring that down to $9-10 million a year, as a dart-at-the-dartboard guess, you can easily cover any raise in Myers’ contract and have cash left over to help with Arian’s deal, when you couple it with cutting Matt Leinart and having other contracts, like Jason Allen’s, come off the book. Houston can have all three, and it is all doable when you think about it.

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Nice write-up

Age is an important factor when penning deals, and monetary value does decline with age (unless you’re Payton Manning). I can’t wait to see Myers back as center.

My thoughts are like Brian Cushing on the field: Everywhere.

by f22a4bandit on Jan 25, 2012 2:07 PM CST reply actions  

For skill positions, I think value declines

For offensive linemen, I think they’ve proven they can be counted on to about 35-38. The point in the article being that Kalil and Mangold were Pro Bowl/All-Pro level immediately and signed a deal before they even hit their prime. That’s a much different perspective than Myers signing a deal at 31.

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by TexansDC on Jan 25, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice to have a level-headed article about contracts

Myers seems to be a no-brainer re-sign.

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by Barryfromtexas on Jan 25, 2012 2:12 PM CST reply actions  

great write up

This is awesome news!

by Zukywich08 on Jan 25, 2012 2:16 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions  

at 20 million over the cap right now

I don’t see how this is doable. The salary cap increase is only 4 million. We are still 16 over. If we can find a willing partner and Williams is down, I say franchise and trade his ass. Pay Foster, release Jacoby and Leinart.

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by TexasOilman84 on Jan 25, 2012 2:18 PM CST reply actions  

You're not subtracting expiring contracts (a lot of signed veterans for the injuries, free agents, etc).

We’re not over the cap when the calendar moves to free agency.

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by TexansDC on Jan 25, 2012 2:21 PM CST up reply actions  

^This

And I believe replacements for IR guys do not count against cap (am I sorta repeating what TDC said?)

"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell

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by Barryfromtexas on Jan 25, 2012 2:26 PM CST up reply actions  

When an NFL player is placed on injured reserve, it ends his season on the field. He can continue to work out and do his rehab in his team’s training facility and take part in other off-the-field team activities, but he can’t participate in practices — including walkthrough sessions.

When a player goes on injured reserve, his full salary cap figure counts against his team’s salary cap unless otherwise specified in the player’s contract. A “split” contract, usually for a late-round draft pick or an undrafted rookie, calls for that player to get half his salary if he is placed on injured reserve.


Read more: Q&A: NFL’s injured-reserve list has salary cap ramifications – The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_18728864#ixzz1kVJgXFaJ
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It’s part of why we’re over…but this will all be sorted out when Delholmme, Garcia, B. Johnson, and the ilk are gone.

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by TexansDC on Jan 25, 2012 2:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Makes sense

"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell

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by Barryfromtexas on Jan 25, 2012 3:42 PM CST up reply actions  

since when have we been 20 million OVER the cap?

Last time I checked a report said we were like 2 million UNDER the cap. It said the Steelers were 20 mil over

by Zukywich08 on Jan 25, 2012 2:33 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

The 20 million number comes from a recent Pancakes article

I don’t see how it’s true though. Reports had us at slightly below the cap right before the season started, so I don’t see how we could spend that much on street FAs.

by SATexan on Jan 25, 2012 6:57 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

exactly what I was thinking

Doesn’t make sense to me but when is pancakes ever right?

by Zukywich08 on Jan 25, 2012 7:15 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I think that's with Mario, Myers, Allen, & other free agents off the cap

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If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
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by The Night Owl on Jan 25, 2012 7:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I strongly disagree with this statement:
From a player standpoint, and this is by no means disrespectful to Myers, his deal probably rates third in importance to the franchise, behind quarterback destroyer Mario Williams and defensive shredder Arian Foster.

He has been an integral part of our success running the ball for the past two years, he hasn’t missed a game since he took over as a starter in Denver (82 games in a row now), and there’s not another center on our roster. Age doesn’t worry me for a center, either. Aside from kickers and punters, good centers probably play at a high level for longer than any other position.

Meanwhile, Mario has finished the past two seasons on the IR and has two very capable OLBs who can step up when he’s out. And while Foster might be the most talented player on our team, he plays a plug-and-play position and also has a capable back-up behind him.

Myers is absolutely our biggest priority this off-season.

by Nashmeister on Jan 25, 2012 2:37 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

From a talent perspective...

Mario and Arian are All-Pros and among the league’s biggest game-changers. Arian’s in his running back prime while Mario’s yet to hit his.

In no way was I insinuating Myers was bad or less important, but those are two unique players, their contracts really will determine a lot of future plans, and I view their negotiations as a bit more complicated than what Myers’ will be.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Jan 25, 2012 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Indeed they are.

But you have to consider their value to your team, not their value on the open market. Myers might not be great in a power-running scheme, but as far as we’re concerned, he’s an all-pro. Likewise, Foster might very well be the best running back in football, but Tate rushed for 5.4 YPC last season and Ward ain’t too shabby, either.

Note: I consider Myers and Foster priorities 1 and 1A, and I’d absolutely re-sign both of them this off-season. But I’m just saying, there might not be a better fit in the entire league for our offense than Myers, and we have no viable replacement for him. Seems like that has to make him our biggest priority.

by Nashmeister on Jan 25, 2012 2:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree that Myers is valuable and a key re-sign

They have not done a good job at developing offensive line depth behind him.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Jan 25, 2012 3:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Everyone congratulates the Texans on their depth,

but they’re pretty threadbare at OLB, WR and in the middle of the O line.

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by FreedomRide on Jan 25, 2012 4:12 PM CST up reply actions  

True

But you cannot have a lot of depth everywhere with 53 players

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by Barryfromtexas on Jan 25, 2012 4:14 PM CST up reply actions  

With the transition to the 3-4

OLB’s to be expected.

They’ve never really had good OL depth though. That’s always been a concern of mine.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Jan 25, 2012 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

I think we've had pretty good depth for the last year or two, actually.

At Tackle we’ve got Rashad Butler and Derek Newton. At G/C we’ve got Kasey Studdard, Antoine Caldwell and Chris White.

None of those guys are as good as the starters, but they fit in the system, and for the most part, perform well when given a chance.

The issue this year was that most of the guys we count on for depth got injured.

by Tailgate Andy on Jan 25, 2012 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Nashy has has brought up a good point, that gives Myers so-called leverage in negotiations

The Texans would have a more difficult time filling the C hole if they are unable to sign Myers. TDC, as you stated, there is little competition out there for a Myers, well the reverse should also be true. There would be few places to go to find someone who could come in and perform at that the level that we have taken for granted from Myers. He fills a very big slot in the Texans offensive machine. Will that translate to more dollars for Myers? It just may do that.

Nashy went on to elaborate the potential holes if Mario or Foster would not return. Yes, they are star performers, but their replacements with little drop-off are standing by. Ben Tate, was really a first year player last season and you can’t deny that he provides more than just depth at the RB position. The same can be said about Brooks Reed at the OLB position. You take Myers off the team, and who is there? Antoine Caldwell? He has not impressed me. The only other alternative would be a free agent or drafted rookie. Those unknowns don’t make me feel comfortable.

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by Rip Jersey on Jan 25, 2012 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Nashmeister makes a good point, but Foster is still my #1

Tate was very good running the ball, but as a receiver out of the backfield he was dreadful. I would indeed place Myers importance to this team ahead of Mario’s, though not by much. However, I believe that Foster is most important given the dynamic skill set he brings. As far as an all-around skill set for a RB goes (blocking, running, receiving), I don’t know if there’s a better one out there (MJD, Ray Rice, and Darren Sproles are the only ones that would be around that same level).

It’s much harder to replace that kind of skillset than that of a smart, quick, agile but undersized center. Not that replacing Myers would be easy, but easier than Foster is my argument.

by La Voz on Jan 25, 2012 4:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Replacing Foster is likely impossible because there is only one

I think I’m talking about the drop-off in who would step in. Yes, no other like Foster. He is my pick any day, anywhere. But, if Ben Tate is to Arian Foster as Antoine Caldwell is to Chris Myers, well, I’m thinking that Antoine doesn’t make me feel good at all. Don’t get me wrong. I hope he pans out and in a couple years he is that irreplaceable player. But, right now, Caldwell, as Next Man Up, doesn’t make me comfortable.

"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster

by Rip Jersey on Jan 25, 2012 5:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Foster

Knows where to give the props

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by Barryfromtexas on Jan 25, 2012 5:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh, well if you're talking about drop-off on our own roster...

…then I could buy the argument that there’s a bigger drop-off behind Chris Myers than there is behind Arian Foster.

by La Voz on Jan 25, 2012 6:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree with most of what your saying BUT

I would say foster is still our biggest priority. Rbs do come a dime a dozen but franchise backs only
Come every once in a while. AP is the only back that I think is better than foster and nobody could replace his production. He is a do it all back and was pretty much our only
Offense when dre was out

by Zukywich08 on Jan 25, 2012 2:46 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Rather have Foster any day than A. P.

He’s a better blocker and receiver and has better vision as a runner. A.P. might have the edge in power and top speed, but not by much.

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by FreedomRide on Jan 25, 2012 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I tend to agree

I would not trade Foster for AP straight up

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by Barryfromtexas on Jan 25, 2012 4:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I believe we had this same conversation about Foster being replaceable earlier this year when he was injured

He proved that assumption incorrect when he returned IMO. Tate is a solid back, but he can not replace what Foster brings.

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by Mumford on Jan 25, 2012 2:50 PM CST up reply actions  

By "we" I meant the community not you and I

Just to be clear.

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by Mumford on Jan 25, 2012 2:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Agree. I thought Foster clearly distanced himself from Tate towards the end of the season.

If there was a shred of doubt, Arian blew it away in the playoffs.

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by FreedomRide on Jan 25, 2012 4:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Rec

and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."

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by Joe25 on Jan 25, 2012 7:20 PM CST up reply actions  

What type of raise do you foresee Foster getting?

I was just curious because you mentioned getting Mario’s number down by 5-6 million and that should cover Foster and Myers. Do you think Foster will only get around a 3-4 mil per year raise (giving Myers an additional 2 mil per)?

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by Mumford on Jan 25, 2012 2:47 PM CST reply actions  

didn't foster make less than 1 million this season?

A 3-4 million raise would still be extremely low for his production IMO

by Zukywich08 on Jan 25, 2012 2:56 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

He maded $525,000 this year, if I recall correctly.

And yeah, I think 3-4 million/year would be pretty much a pipe dream for Houston.

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by UprootedTexan on Jan 25, 2012 3:00 PM CST up reply actions  

It's not about the amount of raise though, but about what other people he's clearly better than are paid.

At least that will be how his agent is going to spin it, I foresee lots of mentions of CJ’s contract by the agent.

by jkcheng122 on Jan 25, 2012 4:24 PM CST up reply actions  

You did say "help" with Foster's deal so forget that 3-4 mil number I said

If we cut Leinart and Jones, and let Allen walk how much would that clear up? I would be perfectly fine with all 3 of those moves, especially if it helped us keep Foster and Williams. Even though that would make KJ our clear CB2…

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by Mumford on Jan 25, 2012 3:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I think that Brice McCain makes letting allen walk a good decision.

Yes Boldin ate Jackson alive but a couple of Boldin’s catches were circus catches so Kareem could take the bigger more physical receivers and McCain can take the smaller shiftier receivers that give Kareem trouble.

by nirvash on Jan 25, 2012 3:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, Jackson had a decent game against the Ravens

He was just the victim of some very precise throws by Flacco combined with great focus by the receivers.

Jackson towards the end of the season was usually in good position, he just has the same problem as Jacques Reeves did, who never turned his head to locate the ball.

I’d be comfortable going into 2012 with Jackson as a CB2. For a first round draft pick, you’d hope for more, but consider we reached a bit for him at the end of the first round, a solid (if unspectacular) starting CB2 in Year 3 is probably about standard.

by La Voz on Jan 25, 2012 4:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Other deals worth looking at include

MJD’s and Jackson’s.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/st.-louis-rams/steven-jackson/

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/jacksonville-jaguars/maurice-jones-drew/

Given what happened with AP and CJ1.8YPC, I don’t think the RB market will open up to those kinds of deals. That’s somewhat fortuitous for us…..plus, most teams have starting RBs in place (especially the ZBS teams).

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by TexansDC on Jan 26, 2012 8:58 AM CST up reply actions  

So would a similar deal for Foster need to be "flipped"

So the big hit came at the end, with the lesser amounts at the beginning? We could not take a 12 mil cap hit next year I would think. Perhaps they could do something similar with Mario and just plan the big hits on separate years?

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by Mumford on Jan 26, 2012 9:55 AM CST up reply actions  

I imagine Houston would backload it

But I was more focusing on the totals…..Foster + Charles, Jackson, and Jones-Drew are all in the same class as far as productivity and versatility so I’d imagine deals would be in the same ballpark.

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by TexansDC on Jan 26, 2012 10:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Are their any Centers in this draft that could be a franchise type C?

Not saying we should, or could, replace Myers, just wondering IF there is any other options to re-signing him. I remember when we signed Wade Smith (ducks from flying beer bottles), it was said that he could play G or C. If we dont/can’t re-sign Myers, what other options are there?

by Its Gonna Happen on Jan 25, 2012 3:30 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Wisconsin C Peter Konz would be the premiere choice in round 1

Ohio State C Michael Brewster is being touted as a ZBS fit in round 3.
Michigan C David Mold is a ZBS fit in round 4 (MDC may have more info on him)…
Oklahoma State’s Grant Garner seems to be the best of the round 5 or laters…

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by TexansDC on Jan 25, 2012 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Awesome

I’ll keep an eye on them

by Its Gonna Happen on Jan 25, 2012 3:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

If we were to draft a center

I could see it being someone like a Mold in round 4. That’s a good round for a developmental depth pick.

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by TexansDC on Jan 25, 2012 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Molk is fantastic.

I would posit that he’s the best C in this draft, at least in terms of what he’ll do in the NFL. I’m absolutely baffled by the idea that he’s a fourth-rounder while Konz is a first or that Brewster is even remotely better than Molk. Consider:

Four-year letterman and starter at center, in both a RichRod spread AND a more standard Pro style (albeit with a running QB)
2011 Rimington Trophy recipient (best NCAA center)
2011 Consensus All-America first team selection: Associated Press, Football Writers Association of America All-America, The Sporting News, Walter Camp
2011 Big Ten Rimington-Pace Offensive Lineman of the Year
2011 All-Big Ten first team by coaches and second team by media
2010 All-Big Ten first team by coaches and second team by media

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by MDC on Jan 25, 2012 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Note: I'm not saying that Molk is a first-rounder

Only that I don’t see as much difference between Molk and Konz as a 1st/4th disparity would suggest.

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by MDC on Jan 25, 2012 3:51 PM CST up reply actions  

wasn't Myers a later round pick for us as well

We could easily get a good center for our ZBS for cheap if Myers wants too much money. Might have to take that route

by Zukywich08 on Jan 25, 2012 4:02 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

We didn't pick him in the draft

but we did trade a 6th round pick to Denver for him.

by Tailgate Andy on Jan 25, 2012 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

we traded a 6th rounder for him.

2012 1st round draft pick is...............

by southpaw70 on Jan 25, 2012 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

We traded for Myers

For a 6th round pick with the Broncos

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by Barryfromtexas on Jan 25, 2012 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

haha

pure rape.

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by DaGoaT on Jan 26, 2012 1:13 PM CST up reply actions  

It sure didn't look that way at first.

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by FreedomRide on Jan 26, 2012 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I suppose it's possible.

But if you rely on a late-round rookie to fill that role, more than likely you’re going to wind up with another Casey Studdard and no viable center going into 2012. You just can’t part with a guy as consistent as Myers; certainly not when you’re having the type of success running the ball that we’ve had over the past couple years.

by Nashmeister on Jan 25, 2012 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Good Point! Studdard's I/R history

makes a GM want to kick puppies

Regarding Mario Williams, who is a real game changer when healthy: The U.S. Navy spends a ton of the budget on Aircraft Carriers, because they are absolute game changers when in the combat theater. If the carrier only has two out of four catapults operational or sinks to the ocean floor half way to the assigned deployment, it’s effectiveness is no longer worth the investment for the fleet.

by MeMongo on Jan 26, 2012 10:11 AM CST up reply actions  

From a draftnik....

The knock is his size and scheme fit. That’s why he’s so rated low despite his vast accomplishments. It’s why being a ZBS team is so great because of the late round value on linemen and running backs.

You’re selling me on him at that 4th round slot.

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by TexansDC on Jan 25, 2012 4:11 PM CST up reply actions  

You draftniks

Will have to keep us who do not know college players well updated during the off season.

I admit that I have no real ideas about potential draftees.

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by Barryfromtexas on Jan 25, 2012 4:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I get that to an extent.

I mean, he wouldn’t be a good choice for a team like St. Louis or the Saints. At the same time, Jason Brown would not be a good fit for the Texans. Molk will probably weigh 290 at the combine and (I’m guessing) measure a shade under 6-2. That’s not too far off of Ryan Kalil, iirc.

Besides, even admitting that I am incredibly biased here, two things jump out at me: 1. He won the award for best center in the country. 2. Despite playing in the same conference with Konz, Brewster, Reilly Reiff, and Kevin Zeitler, it was Molk who was named the best OL (not just the best center) in the B1G. That’s quite a two-fer right there.

All that said, I’d be fine with Houston taking him in the third, and I’d be livid if he were there in the fourth and we passed on him.

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by MDC on Jan 25, 2012 7:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Also

Not that it’s dispositive, but check out the list of Rimington-Pace winners since the current voting process was put in place:

1992: Mike Devlin, C, Iowa
1993: Korey Stringer, T, Ohio State
1994: Korey Stringer, T, Ohio State
1995: Orlando Pace, T, Ohio State
1996: Orlando Pace, T, Ohio State
1997: Flozell Adams, T, Michigan State
1998: Jon Jansen, T, Michigan
1999: Chris McIntosh, T, Wisconsin
2000: Steve Hutchinson, G, Michigan
2001: LeCharles Bentley, C, Ohio State
2002: Eric Steinbach, OL, Iowa
2003: Robert Gallery, T, Iowa
2004: David Baas, C, Michigan
2005: Greg Eslinger, C, Minnesota
2006: Jake Long, T, Michigan
2007: Jake Long, T, Michigan
2008: A. Q. Shipley, C, Penn State
2009: Bryan Bulaga, T, Iowa
2010: Gabe Carimi, T, Wisconsin
2011: David Molk, C, Michigan

Not too many failures on that list.

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by MDC on Jan 25, 2012 8:00 PM CST up reply actions  

So Molk it is...

Hard not to LOVE Konz’s size though.

Shhh….don’t tell anyone, but I’d be happy with either…

by Its Gonna Happen on Jan 25, 2012 8:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

True.

If I were choosing between the two in the same round, it would be difficult. With the cost difference to get Konz, however, Molk seems like a no-brainer.

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by MDC on Jan 25, 2012 8:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Anyway we can get you guys in the Texans' war room?

I like the ideas you have put out there for picks so far.

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by Mumford on Jan 26, 2012 9:59 AM CST up reply actions  

290 at the Combine plus some time in a NFL strength and conditioning program....

Yeah, I’d feel pretty comfortable with that. This could be one of those times where I’m grateful for the ZBS because of the linemen draft value. If he’s as good as you say he is, and I’ve no reason to doubt your eye for talent, then he’d be a steal in round 3 to add depth and insurance in case Myers ever got hurt.

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by TexansDC on Jan 26, 2012 10:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Totally fair.

Though point me to someone who bats 1.000 in evaluating college players and I’ll show you a wealthy, wealthy man.

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by MDC on Jan 27, 2012 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

haven't heard much of him

But he sounds like the perfect option. I’m sold on him. Let’s get him!! Lol

by Zukywich08 on Jan 25, 2012 4:35 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Anybody hear who Colts new head coach is?
Chuck Pagano former DC for the ravens, yes the same ravens team that did not get one sack on our 5th round QB.

Bring it on Next season

2012 1st round draft pick is...............

by southpaw70 on Jan 25, 2012 3:59 PM CST reply actions  

Looks like a MAJOR change in defensive philosophy is coming for the Colts.

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by FreedomRide on Jan 25, 2012 4:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah,

not the best argument there

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by Barryfromtexas on Jan 25, 2012 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

right

they didn’t rush more then 4 most snaps knowing they didn’t need to get to him to cause problems.

Only a sith deals in absolutes.

by nolander on Jan 25, 2012 4:53 PM CST up reply actions  

It was smartly played by the Ravens

knowing TJ was a rookie QB

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by Barryfromtexas on Jan 25, 2012 5:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Just saw this on FB

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by Barryfromtexas on Jan 25, 2012 5:29 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

First heard it in 1993, I believe.

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by FreedomRide on Jan 25, 2012 6:34 PM CST up reply actions  

I heard it in the 80's

But it was John Wayne

Rougher then hell and doesn’t take shit from anyone

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by Barryfromtexas on Jan 25, 2012 8:01 PM CST up reply actions  

John Wayne = toilet paper?

First I heard.

But then, it was common knowledge he would take a lot of shit for the right tequila.

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by FreedomRide on Jan 25, 2012 9:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I hate the NFL salary cap.

I have faith that the organization has it under control, because that’s all I can do.

by willieboyd on Jan 25, 2012 9:11 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah, rilly. I LOVE the NFL salary cap.

Without it, the NFL would be like MLB.

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by FreedomRide on Jan 26, 2012 6:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Too damn convoluted.

Nobody outside of the front office has any idea what our real situation is.

by willieboyd on Jan 26, 2012 7:37 PM CST up reply actions  

is that bad?

they aren’t gonna ask us who to get, and we have a pretty competent staff, so I hope its confusing as hell for Grigson, et al.

TJ must throw 30 times for us to win.

by texanphil on Jan 27, 2012 8:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Myers

I say let him walk. His backup did pretty well for us in the BE-SF game.

TJ must throw 30 times for us to win.

by texanphil on Jan 25, 2012 11:23 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Loved that extra point snap?

lulz

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by Barryfromtexas on Jan 25, 2012 11:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Over the head

And there goes the sweep

by Its Gonna Happen on Jan 26, 2012 1:36 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

twas my favorite

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by texanphil on Jan 26, 2012 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

I think someone

forgot to use the sarcasm font

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by Taco Joe on Jan 26, 2012 10:14 AM CST up reply actions  

I can never remember that

I figured you’d figure it out.

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by texanphil on Jan 26, 2012 11:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Has anyone ever been to Draft tek?

I will never go hear again. First off they have us picking Levy Adcock, at tackle from Okla state. This is go is projected to go in the 6th or 7th round, why would we take him in the 1st? Secondly Peter Konz gets drafted right behind him. Need i say anything else?

2012 1st round draft pick is...............

by southpaw70 on Jan 26, 2012 10:24 AM CST reply actions  

DraftTek's big board is mostly alright....

But they’re Community Mock Drafts are the absolute worst. The people in charge of the teams know nothing. It’s hot garbage.

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by TexansDC on Jan 26, 2012 10:25 AM CST up reply actions  

This was their Consensus Mock Draft Round 1

Says this

Drafttek.com uses a computer model to simulate a 7-round 2012 NFL Mock Draft. Each team has an analyst who supplies data on 2012 NFL Draft team needs. The team needs are matched up against a list of 2012 NFL Draft prospect rankings (aka “Big Board”) in order to generate each selection in our 2012 NFL Mock Draft. 7-rounders commence in January

2012 1st round draft pick is...............

by southpaw70 on Jan 26, 2012 10:37 AM CST up reply actions  

This is the guy they came up with for us really?

Why not pick peter konz?

2012 1st round draft pick is...............

by southpaw70 on Jan 26, 2012 10:38 AM CST up reply actions  

I thought the C stood for Community

Regardless, I think their mocks are terribad.

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by TexansDC on Jan 26, 2012 10:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Look how stupid the explanation is
Duane Brown (LOT) and Eric Winston (ROT) have all the impact of swinging doors in pass protection: Brown should move inside to his natural position of OG and Winston should battle 2011 draft choice Derek Newton for LOT, ultimately losing and becoming back-up swing tackle.

Yeah, Duane Brown sucks even though he gave up 2 sacks and Winston at LT is a terribad idea….and no way he’d lose to a 7th round rookie.

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by TexansDC on Jan 26, 2012 11:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Jebus....

Where do these idiots get their info from?

by Nashmeister on Jan 26, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

God....this fails so hard. Just....wow.
Adcock and Newton will provide a fine set of bookends for the Texans, keep their QB’s upright and promote continued success in the ground game. This one draft choice improves the Texan OL at more than one position!

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by TexansDC on Jan 26, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Kinda hard to improve upon the best

What a bunch of idiots.

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by Antho10000 on Jan 26, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions  

These guys are a joke at best.

I dont fault them, if you not watching a team every week you have no idea.

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by southpaw70 on Jan 26, 2012 12:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I beg to differ

A Magic 8 Ball would be more accurate. To be that stupid you almost have to do it on purpose, or just genuinely be THAT stupid.

by La Voz on Jan 26, 2012 3:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Rilly.

How can they be excused for putting stuff out in public that obviously has NO research behind it?

Strictly bullshitters.

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by FreedomRide on Jan 26, 2012 4:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Sorry, I couldn't read that.

Too hard to read while laughing myself sick.

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by UprootedTexan on Jan 26, 2012 8:50 PM CST up reply actions  

i actually like the chapman second round pick.

and the kid from michigan in the 4th. but yeah. the logic here is pretty much undefendable.

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by Carter Liles on Jan 26, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply actions  

Apparently

being one of the most reliable LTs in the league makes you a swinging door. And they are blaming Winston and Brown for Fat Albert hurting Schaub again? and for Leinart’s brittle collarbone?

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by Taco Joe on Jan 26, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

That one almost makes me want to read some mock drafts, just for the laughs.

Otherwise they are about as valuable a predictor as playing a game on Madden to see how the real game will go. Fun, but almost no predictive accuracy.

Has anyone ever gone through any draft predictions after the fact? Is there anyone that had actually done well with their pay predictions? Just curious.

by JBal on Jan 26, 2012 12:44 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

I believe, IIRC, that a mock draft is considered great if it nails over 7 picks right.

The most accurate mock draft is some writer from the Dallas Morning News….he’s been hitting 5-10 picks correctly for a while.

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by TexansDC on Jan 26, 2012 1:13 PM CST up reply actions  

But how do you rate it?

Are you guessing how they will pick or how they should pick?

With the endless possibilities of trades, especially now with the slotted rookie salaries, I think its pure dumb luck to get anything right past the first trade.

TJ must throw 30 times for us to win.

by texanphil on Jan 26, 2012 3:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Now, you'd grade it on need/scheme fit....

but free agency will change it all…..

Final mocks are graded against the real draft and 7/32 is a low bar of success.

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by TexansDC on Jan 26, 2012 8:07 PM CST up reply actions  

the problem is all it takes is one trade

or one pick to screw everything up. It would be cool if all the experts did it live adusting after every pick, kind of like that thing that dude on here has set up.

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by nolander on Jan 26, 2012 6:01 PM CST up reply actions  

who?

TJ must throw 30 times for us to win.

by texanphil on Jan 27, 2012 8:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I had us taking Watt, Harris, and Keo last year. Managed to trade Okoye for a fifth-rounder, too! Though the sheer amount of trades in that mock made it sort of silly…

by Nashmeister on Jan 26, 2012 2:38 PM CST up reply actions  

3 of a team's real picks is very impressive

I had Watt, Harris, Reed, Yates throughout various mocks….felt good to at least be in the right ballpark of names throughout the process at the end.

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by TexansDC on Jan 26, 2012 8:09 PM CST up reply actions  

You got Yates?

I’m impressed. You obviously know more about the available talent than I do.

by JBal on Jan 26, 2012 8:23 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

My thought while watching him was...

“For whatever reason, he reminds me of Matt Schaub – physically, the way he throws, and the kind of throws he’s making.”

It wasn’t until draft day when I learned that Butch Davis was running a similar system at UNC. Sometimes all you need is an eye test, haha.

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by TexansDC on Jan 27, 2012 8:58 AM CST up reply actions  

C'mon, it was the hairline, right?

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by FreedomRide on Jan 27, 2012 10:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Texans will lose Brisel

Someone will offer him more $$ – probably his last/only chance for a good contract.

Better hope they have some depth at guard and or center

by TX Bengal on Jan 26, 2012 12:39 PM CST reply actions  

Dont mean to hijack thread.

I know alot of us will be ok if the Texans take this kid Sanu. I wonder with the recent hire of rutgers coach to tampa, do you think he will take one of his own players?

2012 1st round draft pick is...............

by southpaw70 on Jan 26, 2012 1:00 PM CST reply actions  

If he does, I'd take it as a bad sign if I were a Buc's fan.

It would indicate to me he hasn’t really left the college game behind.

Remember when Spurrier was the ‘Skins HC and brought in players he remembered from the SEC? That’s when I knew he was doomed in the NFL.

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by FreedomRide on Jan 26, 2012 1:36 PM CST up reply actions  

True good point.

I just realized they picking pretty high too. I seen all their mock drafts say eithe richardson or claiborne.

2012 1st round draft pick is...............

by southpaw70 on Jan 26, 2012 1:41 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd take it as a worse sign if he DIDN'T draft his own player

Remember when Pete Carroll DIDN’T select Taylor Mays despite a dire need at Safety for the Seahawks? The 49ers picked him and released him after ONE YEAR. ONE YEAR!!! KJax was hot garbage his rookie year and we didn’t release him. Goodness, how bad must Mays have been?

by La Voz on Jan 26, 2012 3:15 PM CST up reply actions  

everyone knew though

that mays was not smart and made bad decisions on the field.

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