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As long as we're going back in time, maybe we could swing by Bakersfield, CA, in the mid-70s and prevent Rodger and Sheryl Carr from meeting.

Two-day-hangover_mediumWhile I enjoy the entire trilogy, I have seen Back To The Future roughly 5,481 more times than I've seen either BTTF II or BTTF III. I figure most people --- aside from my odd buddy, Jeff, who likes II the best of the whole series --- are in a similar boat. So, while I've seen the first movie so many times that I can tell you off the top of my head the names of the streets around the courthouse1 and the major businesses on each2, I can do so only in the context of the BTTF I timeline.3

I realized this fact last Friday, and I decided to attempt to rectify the discrepancy, starting with the second film. Going through it more closely, I noticed a number of things that bothered me, including one that was football related:

When Biff from 2015 is giving the Grays Sports Almanac to 1955 Biff, the older version proves that the almanac can't lose by tuning the car radio to a broadcast of a UCLA-Washington football game. Over the radio, we hear that there are 18 seconds left in the game, that it is fourth down, and that the Bruins trail by 1, 17-16. 2015 Biff predicts that the Bruins will win 19-17, which 1955 Biff scoffs at, quoting the radio announcer who said that it looked like it was "all over for UCLA." UCLA launches a 33-yard FG and wins by the predicted score. 1955 Biff is amazed that the old man got the score right.

Immediately, three things jumped out at me:

Star-divide

1. In 1955, the goal posts were still at the front of the endzone, and the winning kick is 35 yards long, meaning the ball was at the Washington 28 (or so). Why in the world would the radio announcer be so doom-and-gloom about UCLA's chances here, especially considering UCLA was #4 in the country at the time? I mean, the filmmakers used a real game that actually happened on November 12, 1955, and they even got the kicker's name correct (HB Jim Decker), but they recreated a radio broadcast that made it sound like the announcer knew nothing about football? Odd. (Yes, I realize it's for purposes of the plot. That doesn't make it any less ridiculous, however. (See also the slowly disappearing photo from the first move.)

2. Related to the last one, it was 17-16 on fourth down and UCLA was within FG range, yet 1955 Biff is amazed that 2015 predicted the correct score? Was Biff really that unfamiliar with football?

3. There were 18 seconds left when the ball was snapped, yet the announcer talks about the game being over as soon as the kick was good. There's no possible way a 35-yard FG took 18 seconds, so UCLA would still have had to kick off.

Other Random Stuff Noticed In My Rewatching Of BTTF II.

1. One of the Pepsi products available at Cafe '80s was Pepsi Max. I'm guessing this was supposed to be a joke about Max Headroom, the digital "spokesperson" for New Coke a year or two before the second movie was filmed. The Reagan/Khomeni "waiters" are riffs on the Max Headroom-style ad as well.

2. The newspaper that Marty and Doc look at in 2015 has headlines reading "Cubs Sweep Series In Five" and "Slamball Playoffs Begin." The former is either a goof-up or a suggestion that future World Series would be a best of 9 affair. The latter is funny in that Slamball actually came into existence in 2002.

3. After 1955 Biff puts the almanac's cover on the copy of "Oh La La" that he's reading, Strickland snatches it from him and remarks that it's odd for Biff to be reading sports statistics. Yet, when he flips through the magazine, there obviously aren't statistics on the pages, and you can actually see some of the girly pics.

4. There are any number of time-travel-related flaws in this movie, including an infinity loop4 created by 2015 Biff giving the almanac to 1955 Biff, but the most troubling to me was the fact that Doc and Marty left Jennifer in the alternate 1985, which Doc explained away by claiming that fixing the problem (almanac) in 1955 would "shift" Jennifer back to the correct 1985. Obviously, even through Doc's one-true-timeline theory of time-travel (i.e. alternate futures cease to exist and are replaced by whatever the current version of the timeline is), this is incorrect or, at the very least, all sorts of troublesome.

You see, when Marty and Doc arrive in 1985-A (the one where Biff is rich and things are terrible), they learn that Marty-A is away at boarding school in Europe and Doc-A is in the loony bin. Therefore, there has to be a Jennifer-A somewhere in this timeline, even if she has nothing to do with Marty-A. There is nothing inherently different about Jennifer from Jennifer-A or Marty-A (except, I suppose, for a penis in the latter case). If Doc is correct and Jennifer will "shift" to the new 1985, then everyone else in 1985-A would as well. So there would be two Jennifers and, once they returned, two Docs and two Martys.

What would actually happen, if we ignore the infinity loops and other anomalies for a second, is that Marty and Doc would leave 1985-A to return to 1955 (technically, it would be 1955-A because Marty is already there from BTTF I, but I digress). Upon fixing the almanac problem, 1985-A would cease to exist5, and history would proceed to a new 1985 in which George McFly was not murdered, Lorraine McFly didn't dress like Tammy Faye Bakker and marry Biff, etc. Assuming that the creation of this new timeline did not alter the future such that Jennifer's parents never meet, a new Jennifer would have been born in the late '60s and would have no memory of the trip to the future or of 1985-A.

Of course, for the third movie to exist, certain things have to happen in this new timeline. Doc still has to create the time machine. Marty still has to accidentally go back to 1955 in the time machine. Doc still has to take the time machine to the future, come back to get Marty to prevent a problem in 20156, and Marty still has to have the idea to buy the sports almanac. On top of this, Biff still has to see the time machine fly away in 1985 and overhear Marty in 2015. If any of this does not happen --- and much of it would not, if Doc and Marty had learned anything at all from their misadventures to this point --- then everything would unravel and you'd revert to the timeline that existed at the beginning of the first movie.

Contextualizing the Dumb.

If you don't follow Twitter during NFL games, you probably don't realize that there are a whole bunch of "experts" who like to show off what they know by Tweeting obscure stats/facts, which they pass off as meaningful insight. Some of these Tweets are genuinely interesting, while most fade into the background as inane e-noise. But some are a special brand of dumb that make you say, "wait . . . WHAT?!"

For example, Mark Maske (@markmaske) of the Washington Post wrote:

Joe Flacco has five career postseason wins, one shy of Tom Brady's record for the most ever for a QB in his first four NFL seasons.

While this might technically be true, it only takes about two seconds to recognize how silly the statement is. After all, Brady went 6-0 over that span; Flacco has won 5 of 9 (a .556 winning percentage, compared to Brady's 1.000), only once winning as many as two in one postseason. Brady went over 200 yards in 4 of those 6 wins and over 300 in two; Flacco has cracked 200 once in his wins and never hit 300 (though he did have one where he went 4/10 for 34 yards). Oh, and --- most importantly --- TWO OF BRADY'S SIX WINS WERE IN THE FREAKING SUPER BOWL.

Point being, unless you're going with the "Flacco Just Winz," VY-esque argument, pretending like his playoff wins are even remotely comparable to Brady's over the first four years of Tom's career is absurd.

21st.

Billy Cundiff's rank among NFL placekickers during the 2011 season on field goals between 30 and 39 yards. Cundiff went 100% on kicks of less than 30 yards, 83% on 30-39, 78% on kicks between 40 and 49, and only 1 of 6 on kicks 50 or longer.

Full Disclosure.

As he was a Michigan QB, I've never hated Tom Brady. In fact, I quite like the guy as an NFL player. So, with no Texans game to discuss, if the stats in here seem a little Brady-centric, it's because of my bias.

156.

Super Bowl passing yards needed by Tom Brady to pass Kurt Warner (1,156) for first all-time.

5.

Super Bowl passing TDs needed by Tom Brady to pass Joe Montana (11) for first all-time.

1.

Number of Super Bowl wins Tom Brady needs to tie Joe Montana and Terry Bradshaw (4) for most all-time.

1.

Number of postseason wins Tom Brady needs to break his tie with Joe Montana (16) for most all time.

.700.

Elisha Manning's career playoff winning percentage. Peyton Manning's percentage? .474.

.727.

Playoff winning percentage for both Tom Brady (16-6) and Eli Manning (8-3) if the Giants win the Super Bowl. In case you were wondering, the highest postseason winning percentage for QBs with at least 10 starts is .900 by Bart Starr, which is insanely impressive.

Fun With Small Sample Sizes.

Currently, T.J. Yates (.500) has a higher playoff winning percentage than, inter alia, Peyton Manning (.474), Matt Hasselbeck (.455), Philip Rivers (.429), Kerry Collins (.429), Michael Vick (.400), Tony Romo (.250), Matt Ryan (.000), Vince Young (.000), Matthew Stafford (.000), Matt Cassel (.000), and Andy Dalton (.000).

Unnecessary Archer Quote.

How about you, Ironsides? You riding dirty?

2DH 2012 Prop Bet #1.

Over/Under on starts as Denver's QB for Tim Tebow during the 2012 season: 7.5.

Fun With Juxtaposition.

Tim Tebow: 126-271 (46.5%), 1729 yds, 12 TD, 6 INT, 13 FUM, 72.9 rating.

Blaine Gabbert: 210-413 (50.8%), 2214 yds, 12 TD, 11 INT, 13 FUM, 65.4 rating.

Turtles All The Way Down.

I realize he's not everyone's cup o' tea, but I love me some Bertrand Russell. Even if you're not a fan, however, I think we can all agree that his "Ten Commandments that, as a teacher, I should wish to promulgate" are a pretty solid and thoughtful list:

1. Do not feel absolutely certain of anything.

2. Do not think it worth while to proceed by concealing evidence, for the evidence is sure to come to light.

3. Never try to discourage thinking for you are sure to succeed.

4. When you meet with opposition, even if it should be from your husband or your children, endeavour to overcome it by argument and not by authority, for a victory dependent upon authority is unreal and illusory.

5. Have no respect for the authority of others, for there are always contrary authorities to be found.

6. Do not use power to suppress opinions you think pernicious, for if you do the opinions will suppress you.

7. Do not fear to be eccentric in opinion, for every opinion now accepted was once eccentric.

8. Find more pleasure in intelligent dissent that in passive agreement, for, if you value intelligence as you should, the former implies a deeper agreement than the latter.

9. Be scrupulously truthful, even if the truth is inconvenient, for it is more inconvenient when you try to conceal it.

10. Do not feel envious of the happiness of those who live in a fool's paradise, for only a fool will think that it is happiness.

List.

Everyone knows the whole story about how Tom Brady was the 199th pick in the 2000 NFL draft. What rarely gets mentioned is the roll-call of QBs taken before him: Chad Pennington of Marshall (Jets), Giovanni Carmazzi of Hofstra (49ers), Chris Redman of Louisville (Ravens), Tee Martin of Tennessee (Steelers), Marc Bulger of West Virginia (Saints), and Spergon Wynn of S.W. Texas St. (Browns).

What gets mentioned even less is the list of QBs taken after Brady: Todd Husak of Stanford (Redskins), JaJuan Seider of Florida A&M (Chargers), Tim Rattay of Louisiana Tech (49ers), Jarious Jackson of Notre Dame (Broncos), and Joe Hamilton of Georgia Tech (Tampa Bay).

The odd thing is, Brady had a good college career at a big program, and he beat out the more highly touted Drew Henson two straight seasons. In his two years as a starter, Brady's line was 428-691, 5222 yards, 35 TD, 18 INT, and two bowl wins (1998 Citrus over Arkansas and 1999 Orange over Alabama). Yet he was lumped in with the Todd Husaks of the world and taken long after Giovanni Carmazzi, simply because Brady was seen as "too skinny" at the Combine. So, like, let that be a caveat about the combine. Or something.

2DH 2012 Prop Bet #2.

Over/Under on the difference between Arian Foster's 2012 rushing total and Chris Johnson's: 249.5 yards.

32:41.

Texans' average time of possession in 2011, best in the NFL.

$16,560,000.

What it would cost to franchise tag Mario Williams in 2012. It's not going to happen, mind you, but I'm sick of seeing numbers like $18M and $22M thrown around in the discussion.

$7,700,000.

What it would cost to franchise Arian Foster in 2012. Also highly unlikely to happen, but these are things you need to know.

$9,400,000.

What it would cost to franchise Chris Myers in 2012. This seemingly high number is due to a weird rule that calculates a single tag amount for offensive linemen as a collective group rather than for tackles, guards, and centers separately.

Oh, Also.

Please stop saying that "___ needs a contract full of bonuses," as if bonuses do not count as part of the salary cap. They do, provided that they are classified as "likely to be earned" (LTBE). Pretty much any bonus that is in line with past performance will be classified as LTBE, and will have to be figured into salary-cap math.

Random '90s Rap Video.

Marijuana Pepsi Sawyer Inexplicable Decision Of The Week.

[Author's note: It's a sad day in Two-Day Hangover Land. It seems that Marijuana Pepsi Sawyer has gotten married and changed the name on her public profile to the much more professional sounding, "Marijuana Sawyer-Clardy." Dang. Thankfully, we have a long memory around here, at least when it comes to stuff like this, so we'll just forge ahead and pretend like nothing has changed.]

Much like the decision to name your daughter "Marijuana Pepsi," John Harbaugh's decision NOT to call a timeout as he watched Billy Cundiff scamper onto the field was pretty confusing. I mean, you have timeouts. Making this field goal is of the highest possible importance. Icing is not a real phenomenon and, even if it were, it's still better to risk that that to have Cundiff hurry the kick.

***

1 Second, Main, Hill, and an unnamed street to the east.

2 Western Auto (1955 only), Lou's Cafe/Lou's Aerobic Center, Essex Theater, and Town Theater, respectively.

3 Though I can say with all certainty that the '80s Cafe (2015) stands where Lou's Cafe stood in 1955, which is somewhat odd, given that it was not a cafe in the '80s, and someone (Lou's great-grandson?) decided to restore a '50s-era cafe and retrofit it with 1980s-era kitsch (and decided to keep some exercise bikes in the cafe). Oh, also, now that I think about it, the Texaco station on Main St. was present in the BTTF II future scenes as well. I'm rambling. I'll stop.

4 An infinity loop is a temporal anomaly created any time a trip to the past changes the future such that the original need to return to the past is removed. For example, as I wrote about Terminator 2 last season:

as soon as they prevented the creation of Skynet, the entire future would have changed: there would have been no rise of the machines without Skynetthere would have been no rebellion, which means there would have been no need for John Connor to be this great rebel leader, which means that John Connor in the distant future would have had no need to send Kyle back to the past to father him/protect Sarah, which means that John would never have existed, which means that Skynet would have been created (in the same manner that gave rise to the entire first movie), which means….my brain hurts.

5 Ok, technically 1985-A ceased to exist the second Doc and Marty returned to 1955, as the exact sequence that had originally led to 1985-A had been altered at that point. In the future 1985, everyone's past would by definition include a 1955 that Marty and Doc returned to, regardless of whether they succeeded in preventing the passing of the almanac.

6 This is perhaps the biggest flaw in the entire second movie. Taking Marty to 2015 to prevent Marty Jr. from going to jail is worthless. Even if you can assume that Marty will be successful in his efforts and return neatly to the 1985 that he left, and you assume that the future will unfold in exactly the same way up to that point in October 2015, Marty will still have to prevent Marty Jr. from going to jail again. The trip forward is worthless if you don't expect it to change the thirty years between 1985 and 2015, and it's wholly unnecessary if it does change that span.

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ME LOVE YOU LONG TIME!

OH thank you for a 2DH this week!!!

Now back to reading it…

by MeMongo on Jan 27, 2012 12:04 PM CST reply actions  

dude...

i love your random 90s music vids.

Michael: The feeling that you're feeling is what many of us call...a feeling.
Gob: It's not like envy, or even hungry...

by chrisd21 on Jan 27, 2012 12:13 PM CST reply actions  

and speaking of domino..

another classic.
Domino – Sweet Potato Pie

Michael: The feeling that you're feeling is what many of us call...a feeling.
Gob: It's not like envy, or even hungry...

by chrisd21 on Jan 27, 2012 12:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Whoa!

I hadn’t heard that one in YEARS. Gracias.

I have not yet begun to defile myself.

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by MDC on Jan 27, 2012 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I like BTTF II, but there's one thing that has always really bothered me about it

Namely, at the beginning of the movie, Doc shows up in 1985 in this huge hurry to get Marty and Jennifer to the future to correct this issue with their kid. Then when they get to the future, they’re running around like crazy to get things sorted out and Doc uses the sleeping thing on Jennifer (because he really didn’t want to bring her, but she had seen the time machine). Then there isn’t enough juice left in the sleeping thing so Marty Jr. shows up at Cafe 80s leading to a whole series of events that ends up with an f’d up 1985, George McFly getting murdered, and ultimately Doc Brown getting killed in 1885.

All of this is completely ridiculous because Doc Brown HAS A FREAKING TIME MACHINE!!!

After deciding that he had to intervene in 2015, he had all the time in the world to come up with a solid plan. He could have gone back to his house in 1985, thought it out, gotten Marty to come over at a convenient time (so that Jennifer, and even Biff, wouldn’t see the time machine), and then gotten to 2015 with enough time to properly intervene without being in such a rush. This is all especially true if you believe, as the movies suggest, that time is simply linear.

Granted, had that been the case, movies II and III would have totally sucked.

by Vega on Jan 27, 2012 12:17 PM CST reply actions  

Oh, and

he wouldn’t have totally cock blocked Marty from getting laid at the lake.

by Vega on Jan 27, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Good point.

He does run up as if they have to stop Marty Jr. that very instant or they are doomed. And that’s just absurd. Of course, as I sorta mentioned, there are a ton of time anomalies in BTTF 2, most of which would have created infinity loops or other irrevocable gaps. (For example, when Biff steals the time machine, there’s no way he could have returned it so that Marty and Doc would be able to use it again.)

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by MDC on Jan 27, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, that's another good one

but for some reason, they do not all bother me equally.

For example, here are some of the things that bother me in the movies:

- The fact that Doc has this suitcase full of money from different times when supposedly he’s only ever gone 30 years into the future
- That they know the exact second of when lightning is going to strike the clock tower despite the fact that the clock clearly has no second hand (there should have been a full 60 seconds of uncertainty
- That there is no way that a book that thin can contain 50 years of all results from across all sports

Yet, I have no issue accepting the basic idea of time travel, or the flux capacitor, or that such inspiration can come from knocking your head on a shitter.

I love those movies

by Vega on Jan 27, 2012 12:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm with you on all points here.

The suitcase of money, though, I think is explainable. For instance, we know that Doc was at least slightly further in the future at one point, as he has the paper from the day after Marty Jr. gets arrested. He was also in the future long enough to have the DeLorean converted into a flying car with a Mr. Fusion and to shop for newer clothes, not to mention having the “all natural overhaul” on his face and body. So I think it’s reasonable to assume that Doc had been bouncing around in the future at various points for a while. (He also knew about Marty’s car accident, remember?)

Now, the pre-1955 money in the suitcase does bother me, if only because Doc lamented that he’d never get to see the Old West.

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Re: the lightning, even with the second hand, it bugged me because the electricity would have shot across that wire in far, far less than a second. As ~Jay once mentioned to me, though, wouldn’t it have made much more sense for Doc to run a long wire directly to the car, rather than relying on hitting a hook to a wire at the precise second?

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by MDC on Jan 27, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions  

re: lightning

It probably would have made more sense for Doc to build a giant capacitor to hold the charge and then plan for the Dolorean to cross the wire at some point in the following minute, but time and material constraints would have probably prevented that anyway.

Even with that, though, there’s a much larger electrical issue at hand. If we assume the time machine to be a precision piece of equipment (which is a fair assumption), it probably doesn’t have the necessary converters to take any random power source greater than 1.21 gigawatts and channel it into the flux capacitor. Lighting bolts are not consistent enough to know exactly how much power you’re going to get out of it (not to mention the current or voltage) so it’s super likely that the lightning bolt in question would have actually fried the internal electronics killing Marty in the process.

Still, I’m more bothered by the thinness of the sports book.

by Vega on Jan 27, 2012 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Did some digging just now.

Rumor is that the original draft of the movie mentioned that the almanac was printed on super thin futuristic paper, but they scrapped that in later drafts. Bob Gale (writer) admits that it’s just “movie logic” and that the book would be much thicker in real life.

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by MDC on Jan 27, 2012 1:20 PM CST up reply actions  

for some reason

this makes me feel much better.

by Vega on Jan 27, 2012 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Yup.

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by MDC on Jan 27, 2012 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

It's 2012. That book doesn't exist

They show Biff doing money winning things like horse racing events. Because I’m that kind of pedantic nut, I have the 2012 SI Sports Almanac. Its horse racing coverage is all of 12 pages, including the worthless cover page picture, and includes Triple Crown and recent (2011) results. Things like the ESPN and USA Today College Football Encyclopedias do have individual game results from 30 years ago, but those books are both way the hell bigger than Gray’s Sports Almanac, and you’d need the equivalent book from other sports as well.

by NewsToTom on Jan 27, 2012 2:03 PM CST up reply actions  

I guess then

by 2015 the iPad will be gone, since he shoulda just brought that.

Not sure if the wifi would work on the routers back in 1955, though.

TJ must throw 30 times for us to win.

by texanphil on Jan 27, 2012 3:22 PM CST up reply actions  

There has to be yet another alternative 1955

Right now, we have four 1955 timelines:
1955-original, seen at the beginning of BttF, in which George gets his by the car and ends up with Lorraine.
1955’, seen at the end of BttF, in which George knocks out Biff.
1955’’, seen in BttF2, in which Biff Tannen is rich and the 22nd Amendment doesn’t exist.
1955’’’, seen at the end of BttF2, in which Biff Tannen briefly owned the Sports Almanac before losing it and which we believe proceeds on more or less the same as 1955’.

To that, we need to add
1955’’’’’, in which 2015 (post-1955’)-Biff gives 1955’-Biff the Sports Almanac, but 1955’-Biff hasn’t decided to use the Sports Almanac and ends up losing it or otherwise discarding it in a way that doesn’t prevent the events in 1985 and 2015 following 1955’.

by NewsToTom on Jan 27, 2012 2:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Re Russell

Everything you need to know about my upbringing is that my parents, especially my mother, would probably or almost certainly disagree with 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 10, and I’m not so sure about 2 and 9.

by NewsToTom on Jan 27, 2012 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

To be technical

you would also need to add:

1955’’’’’ in which Doc Brown has been buried in a cemetery after being shot in 1885 and
1955’’’’’’ in which Doc Brown is not shot and Clara Clayton does not fall into a canyon and die

by Vega on Jan 27, 2012 2:22 PM CST up reply actions  

This line of conversation

Gave me an idea for the post-SB 2DH. Awesome.

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by MDC on Jan 27, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I was trying to simply things

If we can’t get out of the second movie, we can’t get to the third movie, and we’re having a hard enough time getting out of the second movie.

by NewsToTom on Jan 27, 2012 2:31 PM CST up reply actions  

I laughed at the 22nd Am reference.

And I agree with your analysis. The bigger problem to me is the fact that, if Biff steals the DeLorean, Marty and Doc are screwed and cannot go undo the other changes. More importantly, as soon as Biff goes back to 1955 the first time, the time machine no longer exists (because Doc is institutionalized before he builds it), Marty never goes back, and the rest continues to unravel backward from there.

I have not yet begun to defile myself.

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by MDC on Jan 27, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

This whole conversation makes my head hurt

Just let me enjoy BTTF in peace!!!

"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce

by Mumford on Jan 27, 2012 2:27 PM CST up reply actions  

No.

A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
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by bigfatdrunk on Jan 27, 2012 3:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Ridiculous Argument

The facts related to time travel and alternate universes have long been put to rest in DC Universe’s “Crisis on Infinite Earths” and “Zero Hour”. Do some research!

"Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice."

by CTacc on Jan 27, 2012 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I think there’s something in the commandments above about this. Something about “eccentric opinions” or some such.

TJ must throw 30 times for us to win.

by texanphil on Jan 27, 2012 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

If a tree falls in a forest

and you go back in time to prevent that tree from falling; did that tree make a sound?

Hmmmm…..

Matt Schoob, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, Jacoby Ford, Kevin Walters, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!

by MeSoLongHorny on Jan 27, 2012 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

It sucked when the Earth-2 bit the dust.

A sharp tongue is the only edged tool that grows keener with constant use.--Washington Irving

by Foster Child on Jan 27, 2012 10:47 PM CST up reply actions  

seriously

I just wasted 10 mins of my life trying to google the “unnamed street to the east” of the clock tower.

Now I know way too much about Hill Valley.

TJ must throw 30 times for us to win.

by texanphil on Jan 27, 2012 3:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Maybe these were the same streets

That U2 sang about.

Matt Schoob, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, Jacoby Ford, Kevin Walters, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!

by MeSoLongHorny on Jan 27, 2012 3:35 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

It would be pretty hard to give directions

if the streets had no names.

A sharp tongue is the only edged tool that grows keener with constant use.--Washington Irving

by Foster Child on Jan 27, 2012 10:46 PM CST up reply actions  

"no name" streets are all over Waco...lol

If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan

by professortex on Jan 28, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions  

You should see where I live in the Middle East

It’s always stuff like, turn left at the water tower and hang a right at the green mosque, etc.

Never use a metaphor, simile, or other figure of speech which you are used to seeing in print.
Never use a long word where a short one will do.
If it is possible to cut a word out, always cut it out.
Never use the passive where you can use the active.
Never use a foreign phrase, a scientific word, or a jargon word if you can think of an everyday English equivalent.
Break any of these rules sooner than say anything outright barbarous.

-Orwell, Politics and the English Language

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by tehGrindCrusher on Jan 28, 2012 11:02 AM CST up reply actions  

LOL...I miss the old timers (from my perspective, cause I'm an old timer

and their directions:

Lost guy: “How do I get to the Auction house?”

Old timer: “Well, Ye go down this here road about 3 ‘I see’s’, then ye turn left, cross over the cattle guard, then go strait till ye get to the grain mill on the left, then ye go strait some more, till ye get to the bridge. Then ye cross over the bridge, and go strait some more. Then you’ll come to the Auction house right there around the corner on the other side of the freeway, behind the Brookshire brothers.”

An “I see” is essentially ‘the distance from a given point that you can see’. So, if you go to the top of the hill, and look down the road to the top of the next hill, that is 1 “I see” because you can’t see any further than the top of the next hill.

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by professortex on Jan 28, 2012 1:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Since I'm a city slicker

I’d probably just stare at the old timer for a few seconds, say “thanks” and then hit the road. Then I’d say something sarcastic to my girlfriend like “I see myself getting lost in the near future.”

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by Foster Child on Jan 28, 2012 1:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I wonder how many thousands of 49er and Texans fans would love to have a time machine

to go back to a point before their respective teams received a punt in the playoffs…

by MeMongo on Jan 27, 2012 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't want

to watch it again.

TJ must throw 30 times for us to win.

by texanphil on Jan 27, 2012 3:30 PM CST up reply actions  

ah let me expand on the comment some

to go back to a point before their respective teams received a punt in the playoffs…with a sniper rifle

by MeMongo on Jan 27, 2012 5:07 PM CST up reply actions  

You strike me as the sort of person who watches The Wizard of Oz

and says “screw this crap, monkeys can’t fly!”

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by Bro Namath on Jan 29, 2012 2:37 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

I loathe Giovanni Carmazzi.

No reason why, of course, except for the fact that he sucked and Brady, a 49er fan growing up, went after him. Not that Brady would’ve been successful in the murky mess of 49er crap that was 2002-2010, but it especially is irksome while he’s about to surpass Montana’s legendary playoff numbers.

And thank you for those cap clarifications…hopefully that’ll clear things up. However, the Texans wouldn’t have to franchise Foster since he’s a RFA. Just have to tender him (probably the 1st round tender) and match if the contract is doable (or pick up another 1).

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Jan 27, 2012 12:20 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah, that's true.

I only included the Foster number for the sake of thoroughness, but you are correct. And I bet they would tender him at the 1/3 level, just because the salary at that level isn’t much more than the first-round-tender.

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by MDC on Jan 27, 2012 12:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, I'll be damned.

You are right. I totally brainfarted on the CBA changing that. 2012 tender amounts, highest to lowest:

$2,611,000 or 1st Rd
$1,835,000 or 2nd Rd
$1,200,000 or Right of First Refusal or original round that the player was chosen in

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by MDC on Jan 27, 2012 1:02 PM CST up reply actions  

1st round tender if there's no new deal

They’ll match unless it gets outrageous.

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by TexansDC on Jan 27, 2012 1:43 PM CST up reply actions  

question

if the Browns pony up in this situation, we get their pick at 2 or 22?

TJ must throw 30 times for us to win.

by texanphil on Jan 27, 2012 3:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Their pick

not a pick that they got from some other team.

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by MDC on Jan 27, 2012 10:25 PM CST up reply actions  

and I think

I could be wrong that the Browns could choose to give one at a later date(ie first round pick in 2013)

Here’s a theoretical play from 2010: Snap. Tony takes 7 step drop. Tony looks left at Miles, who is doubled, and looks right to where Roy Williams should be…but instead sees Colombo on his back and a Defensive End foaming at the mouth jumping over Marc’s carcass. Tony proceeds to run like hell and look for Witten
-by CotySaxman on Jul 11, 2011 7:50 AM PDT

Now, if somebody doesn’t agree with that, that’s cool. I also don’t agree with the fact that I don’t have $10 million in my bank account. But the fact that I don’t agree with it doesn’t make it any less true.
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by I am Ironman!!! on Jan 27, 2012 10:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Considering that the kickers back in those days were all straight-on style toe kickers

I suspect that a 30+ yard field goal was far from a gimme. Especially also considering that the quality or kickability of the footballs back then was pretty different from today.

And now, to read the remainder of the 2DH.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Jan 27, 2012 12:28 PM CST reply actions  

Maybe not a gimme.

But definitely not so outside the realm of possibility that a normal radio announcer would be talking about how it looks like it’s all over for UCLA without even really addressing the possibility that the kick might be made. The weather on November 12, 1955, was good in L.A., too. And UCLA had already hit 3 FGs on the day.

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by MDC on Jan 27, 2012 12:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Fair point.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Jan 27, 2012 1:02 PM CST up reply actions  

More minor gripe

But elderly Biff sure had great timing tuning into the game exactly at the crucial moment, and found it on the radio dial in about a second.

by JBal on Jan 27, 2012 8:19 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

That's more about the plot device than anything else.

And it was his car, after all.

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by UprootedTexan on Jan 27, 2012 8:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I know. Fumbling around with the radio, then listening to the last half hour of the game wouldn't have played well on screen.

It’s one of those bits of movie magic. Like when someone wakes up in a hotel or other unfamiliar room and immediately flips on the light without having to look around for the switch.

Another favorite of mine is the sitcom trick where something happens, and in the next scene the people are walking in the door at home and discuss what happened elsewhere, when they clearly would have talked about it in the car.

by JBal on Jan 27, 2012 8:28 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

I, too, prefer Mallrats.

Also, rec’d for the Back To School reference.

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by MDC on Jan 27, 2012 12:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Mallrats,Clerks,Chasing Amy, Dogma then Jay and Silet Bob Strike Back

Clerks 2 was funny but unnecessary and then he made Jersey Girl and proceeded to be an entitled fuckwad who bitches about everything on twitter.

by Draco on Jan 27, 2012 12:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Laughed so hard at "triple lindy"

It almost killed me.

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by Lone Spot on Jan 27, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

In conclusion

Bertrand Russell is awesome.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Jan 27, 2012 12:34 PM CST reply actions  

Rec'd For Use Of "Inter Alia"

Almost makes up for your ongoing (and successful) quest to ruin “Back to the Future” for me.

Ecstatic that Texans fandom no longer means that April is the highlight of my season...

by Tim on Jan 27, 2012 12:35 PM CST reply actions  

Someone once said
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Just sayin’.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Jan 27, 2012 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

He also said
Break any of these rules sooner than say anything outright barbarous.

I felt inter alia flowed more naturally in that sentence than the clunky “among others” would have.

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by MDC on Jan 27, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

I always thought he put that in there as a cop out.

No sell out, damn it!

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by tehGrindCrusher on Jan 27, 2012 1:05 PM CST up reply actions  

If giants win...

eli superbowl wins. 2. peyton…. 1.

MWAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

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by Carter Liles on Jan 27, 2012 12:37 PM CST reply actions  

But Carr would get a ring.

Can’t have that. No sir.

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by MDC on Jan 27, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions  

hmmm...

well that is an interesting point too… I think i could live with that though. I mean Carr didn’t actually do anything for the Giants. I don’t hate him for sucking while he was here.

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by Carter Liles on Jan 27, 2012 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

either way, former texans will end up with a ring here

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by Carter Liles on Jan 27, 2012 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Better him than Vince Young, imo.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Jan 27, 2012 1:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Rec'd for Bertrand Russell,

whose Unpopular Essays irrevocably changed my life when I was 15.

And for an unlooked-for 2DH, of course.

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by FreedomRide on Jan 27, 2012 1:14 PM CST reply actions  

Timmy v. Blainey

C’MON, MAAAN! /inserts ridiculous Cris Carter impersonation here

Tebow*
16 games/13 games started
2904 total yards
21 total TDs
13 fumbles/6 fumbles lost…from a guy actively rushing against DEs and LBs
*includes playoffs

Gabbert
15 games/14 games started
2312 total yards
12 total TDs
14 fumbles/5 fumbles lost…from a guy who’s mobility netted him the most sack yardage lost in the league and a whopping 2.0 ypc

Lastly, it is odd that I’m your buddy. ;)

Kissies,
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by bigwood25 on Jan 27, 2012 1:48 PM CST reply actions  

Yeah.

I was including the comparison to show how shitty Gabbert was, even compared to the guy that people said was a terrible QB.

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by MDC on Jan 27, 2012 1:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Ah!

Gotcha. Following the earlier “he won’t be a starter by Week 9” notion, I must’ve looked at that the wrong way.

Notice how I didn’t point to team wins…yet? ;)

by bigwood25 on Jan 27, 2012 1:58 PM CST reply actions  

He's new at this.

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by bigfatdrunk on Jan 27, 2012 2:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Hazing

It’s not just for frats, anymore.

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by Lone Spot on Jan 27, 2012 2:25 PM CST up reply actions  

You sound like a damn fool when you say it wrong!

“It’s not just for frats, anymore.”<—there shouldn’t be a comma, there.

/makes like a tree
//gets outta here

by bigwood25 on Jan 27, 2012 8:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for dropping by, tinywood2!

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by bigfatdrunk on Jan 27, 2012 8:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I see you've added a "two"...

I hate you. So much. ;)

You might see me creeeeepin’ up yo’ skreetz a bit more, drive-by style, from time to time. I can put up with a decade of historically disgraceful football out of my boys, but I shall not follow the Stan Kroenke/Jeff Fisher Super ‘Stache club to LA/London. I know this Tebow buzz* can’t last forever.

*Non-alcoholic

I'm a Rams fan, man.

by bigwood25 on Jan 28, 2012 7:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Do those rumors have credibility???

Wow, I kinda just thought it was a ruse.

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by bigfatdrunk on Jan 28, 2012 9:00 AM CST up reply actions  

Jeff Fisher is well known

For his love of run-first college all star qb’s with bad mechanics.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Jan 28, 2012 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Negative good sir!

THAT was ALL on Beelzebub!

Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid

by txknight on Feb 1, 2012 9:57 PM CST up reply actions  

I know this plays into the whole "hatred of Peyton Manning" thing

But lambasting some beat reporter for bringing up a Flacco playoff wins stat while you yourself cite Eli’s playoff winning percentage as higher than his brother’s, despite the fact that he has actually played better, is a classic “do as I say, not as I do” play.

by riversmccown on Jan 27, 2012 2:39 PM CST reply actions  

Oh, I was just laughing at the Manning comparison, really.

But I also see a difference between the Flacco/Brady comparison (i.e. leaving out the fact that Brady was winning Super Bowls and had not lost a playoff game in that stretch) and a blanket comparison of winning percentages overall. I mean, phrased the way the Flacco/Brady thing was, one would assume that their playoff winning percentages to that point were similar, when they were decided not.

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by MDC on Jan 27, 2012 2:45 PM CST up reply actions  

*decidedly not

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by MDC on Jan 27, 2012 2:55 PM CST up reply actions  

anyone else get the error

“oops your comment couldn’t be posted”

When trying to post here? I get it way too much, and I’m wondering if its BFD’s fault, or my internet.

TJ must throw 30 times for us to win.

by texanphil on Jan 27, 2012 3:47 PM CST reply actions  

IT HAPPENS

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by nolander on Jan 27, 2012 6:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I will say two names in the same sentence and you tell me if it doesn't make any sense.

Joe Flacco is the next Trent Dilfer.

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by Rip Jersey on Jan 27, 2012 4:53 PM CST reply actions  

Go UMass!!!

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by Rip Jersey on Jan 27, 2012 4:57 PM CST reply actions  

I am rec'ing this

Just for the title – BTF always gets a rec

Now to read the article

/reverse Nutt’d

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by Barryfromtexas on Jan 27, 2012 5:21 PM CST reply actions  

Regarding point three of your BTTF stuff that you noticed,

I always thought that Strickland was being sarcastic as he flipped through the book, that he was calling bullshit on Biff. After all, if he gave away that it was, in fact, a girly mag with the almanac’s cover on it, then Marty wouldn’t have bothered going after it in Strickland’s office.

As for the Jennifer-A theory, true, there would be a Jennifer-A somewhere in the 1985-A, it doesn’t necessarily mean that said Jennifer-A would necessarily be a resident of Hill Valley. Her parents could have moved away once it became apparent that Hill Valley was the second coming of Thunderdome, they may never have moved there at all in an effort to avoid the town entirely.

Personally, I tend to believe in the theory that the timeline is in a way self-correcting. For example, when Biff went back in time to give himself the almanac, naturally altering the course of history, you have Marty and Doc going back to thwart his plans. Thus Marty and Doc going back is the timeline’s way of correcting itself.

I’d say more but I’m already taking way too much time during my break to go any further into depth.

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by UprootedTexan on Jan 27, 2012 5:52 PM CST reply actions  

Re: Strickland

That’s possible. Never looked at it that way.

Re: Jennifer. It doesn’t matter where she was geographically in 1985-A. If the Jennifer who went from 1985 to 2015 to 1985-A would be “shifted back” to the better timeline, so would the other Jennifer, regardless of locale.

Re: Timeline correcting itself. If Biff steals the time machine and goes to 1955, creating a future that includes Marty in a European boarding school and Doc committed to a loony bin before the time machine was created, how could Marty and Doc (a) exist together in the new 2015 or (b) go back to 1955 to get the almanac?

The problem with the self-correcting theory is both that it requires complete predestination AND it requires that we ignore far too many holes (missing people, missing time machines, missing reasons to go back in time…).

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by MDC on Jan 27, 2012 10:30 PM CST up reply actions  

But if you'll recall in the first BTTF,

Marty had to get his parents together or else his family got blinked out of existence, right? Their disappearance from the picture wasn’t instantaneous; it took some time for the events from 1955 in the first movie to catch up to Marty. Maybe it required some time for the timeline to catch up to the Marty from 1985 before he ended up as the Marty from 1985-A.

As for the timeline correcting itself, I think it would have to. Think about it, if Biff has the almanac, he then creates a future wherein he can’t go back in time (since as you stated Doc couldn’t have built the machine) to give himself the almanac; in turn he couldn’t make himself wealthy and the timeline from 1955 onward would have to revert to the way it was before future Biff came to the past. In other words, it would have fixed itself, and if anything, Marty and Doc’s intervention only expedited the process.

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by UprootedTexan on Jan 28, 2012 2:16 AM CST up reply actions  

interesting point there

how come Marty wasn’t the first one to vanish? And how come he seemed to know he would be the last one in the family to vanish?

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by professortex on Jan 28, 2012 10:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Everyone knows

It goes left-to-right pfft!

Maybe because he was he youngest? – the non-event didn’t happen later?

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by Barryfromtexas on Jan 28, 2012 11:49 AM CST up reply actions  

lol

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by professortex on Jan 28, 2012 1:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Except

the slowly disappearing picture was perhaps the most ridiculous plot device in the first movie. There is no “sorta exists;” Marty and the picture either completely exist or they do not exist at all. Marty is from the original timeline (which no longer exists). His brother and sister in that picture existed in the previous timeline as well, and Marty still has 17ish years of memory and history prior to his arrival in 1955-A. Even if things fall apart and he has no future in the new timeline (thus creating an infinity loop), the original Marty shown in the picture will exist in 1955-A until he dies at some point in future-A.

Stated differently, the picture was taken in 1985, not 1985-A, and nothing that he does in 1955-A will erase what happened between the beginning of time and October 26, 1985 in the original timeline.

As to your larger point, that the timeline is self-correcting, I don’t see an infinity loop as self-correcting; as soon as something happens that reverts us to the original timeline, then we just begin the screwups again. Once we revert to the beginning of BTTF 1, everything that happened in that movie happens again, because no one in that timeline has any memory of the alternate stuff that has not yet happened. That original line cannot extend past October 26, 1985, by definition.

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by MDC on Jan 28, 2012 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

and would they

take the same picture, posed exactly the same if they didn’t have the same number of kids?

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by texanphil on Jan 28, 2012 11:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, I'll be damned.

Seems you are right re: goalposts. I don’t think I’d say the “whole analysis is just wrong,” however. Just move the LOS up to the 18. The rest still holds.

As for winning percentage, I agree that it’s silly to credit QBs with Ws, just like it’s silly in baseball with pitchers, but it’s something that the NFL tracks, and it makes for an interesting discussion here vis-a-vis Brady and Eli.

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by MDC on Jan 27, 2012 10:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Well,

I was saying that, because you would really be “more right”

Just the fact that the theory was based on the wrong intel is why I said it was “just wrong”

I do think, however, that old day announcers did not always know anything about football. That, or they were not even watching the game they were announcing. I remember Ronald Reagan stories of how he announced games based on what they got off of the tele-type.

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by Barryfromtexas on Jan 27, 2012 10:55 PM CST up reply actions  

bone to pick

The newspaper that Marty and Doc look at in 2015 has headlines reading “Cubs Sweep Series In Five” and “Slamball Playoffs Begin.” The former is either a goof-up or a suggestion that future World Series would be a best of 9 affair. The latter is funny in that Slamball actually came into existence in 2002.

Personally, it’s the mere suggestion of the Cubs ever winning the world series that I find to be the extreme flaw here.

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by JayRedd on Jan 27, 2012 6:54 PM CST reply actions  

Where's the Pro Bowl analysis?

I think this 2DH was a missed opportunity to dive headlong into deep, statistical analysis of plays called, coaching decisions made, etc from the greatest all-star game of all sports, which happens this weekend. The Pro-Bowl.

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by texanphil on Jan 27, 2012 7:58 PM CST reply actions  

Here's the greatest moment in Pro Bowl history.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNtmxsGY0pA

R.I.P. Sean Taylor

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by MDC on Jan 27, 2012 10:32 PM CST up reply actions  

thats moorman right?

such a pimp for a punter, I love how he goes an congrats taylor on kicking his ass

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by nolander on Jan 27, 2012 10:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Ok, first off, I was kidding MDC, I'm not really mad at you

Emails from an asshole had me, my wife, and several friends laughing. I had to stop twice because I literally could not breathe.

Also, sure to your bad influence, I watched BTTF2 a couple of weeks ago. Aside from the thing about preventing Marty jr from going to jail, which is just nonsense, a couple of things stuck out at me too:

1) the newspaper showing Doc’s fate in the alternate 1985 has the headline “Emmitt Brown committed”. I can buy that George’s murder was front page news, but when was the last time a non-celebrity being committed was front page news?
2) upon arriving in the future, Marty wants to look around, but Doc explains that they are on a very tight schedule. In spite of, you know, the whole having a time machine thing.

3) hover boards don’t work over water without power. Really? Somehow it still hovers, but is unable to move laterally. Marty is shown feebly attempting to kick at the water, which of course fails to generate traction. However if this is the only issue, the board should still work fine over a few inches of water as long as the rider could reach the ground to generate friction. This leaves us with a technology that allows the board to work vertically but not horizontally only over water. I’m at a loss to think of any scenario where this is reasonable.

And 4) how does Marty not realize immediately that he could move more quickly by just jumping off the board and running through the water?

Oh, and 5) 1955 Doc meets his older counterpart, only realizing at the end of the conversation what has happened. Assuming that in the end all the timelines have been straightened out, the older Doc should remember meeting himself, and be aware that encountering onesself will not result in the cataclysmic destruction he postulates early in the film. Take that, Zemeckis!

by JBal on Jan 27, 2012 8:06 PM CST via Android app reply actions  

Number 3

bugs the shit out of me. Makes no sense at all.

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by MDC on Jan 27, 2012 10:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Love the Archer quote

Last night’s episode was the most I have ever laughed in a half hour

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by thebluffrat on Jan 27, 2012 9:42 PM CST reply actions  

The last 3-4 minutes was incredible

That said, the upcoming episode is the one I’ve really been looking forward to (you ended a sentence like this? Really? Sheesh.). It’s gonna be like Meowschwitz on the train.

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by bigfatdrunk on Jan 27, 2012 10:22 PM CST up reply actions  

"MY FRIEND IS A DECEPTICOOOOONNNNNNN!!!!!

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by thebluffrat on Jan 27, 2012 10:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Must. Kill. Decepticon!

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by bigfatdrunk on Jan 27, 2012 11:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I mean, if you want, I can watch while you masturbate.

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by bigfatdrunk on Jan 27, 2012 11:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Have never watched any BTTF movies...

But I can relate to not watching certain movies in a trilogy as much as the others. I own The Godfather trilogy and still have not watched part 3.

Also….bring back Slamball! Make it happen SpikeTV!

by UTBawse23 on Jan 28, 2012 7:48 AM CST via Android app reply actions  

Bertrand Russell?

Bertie Russell is the King of Philosophers. Rene Descartes isn’t worthy to hold his jock strap. Whoa! For a minute there, I thought it was 1968 and I was hanging out at Allen’s Landing waiting for the Elevators to make it to Love Street. Too strange.

by SpaceCityTexan on Jan 28, 2012 8:24 AM CST reply actions  

Did I buy a lid from you there?

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by FreedomRide on Jan 28, 2012 9:01 AM CST up reply actions  

well he does work for the "chron"

get it. have you ever wrote a blog post? have you ever wrote a blog post….on weed?

by HTown80 on Jan 28, 2012 11:59 AM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Solomon is trolling again.

It’s his specialty.

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by FreedomRide on Jan 28, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Refuse to ping his link...

page hit fodder…If you paste into subject line it will cut down on hits. That title tells me all I need to know.

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by chuckiepoo on Jan 28, 2012 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep

Didn’t read past the title. Why do Comicle writers want Texans fans to hate them so much?

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by Hydroshock on Jan 28, 2012 6:52 PM CST up reply actions  

So I'm up north at Zestfest.

one of the most important shows in the fiery foods industry. Someone was sampling chilli made with beans and, and, and . . . corn.

CORN?!

/smh

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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Jan 28, 2012 3:03 PM CST via Android app reply actions  

Corn????

SMDH.

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by bigfatdrunk on Jan 28, 2012 3:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Good grief.

Aren’t there laws against that kind of shit?

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by FreedomRide on Jan 28, 2012 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Laws of nature

Make that kind of shit likely…

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by Barryfromtexas on Jan 28, 2012 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Okay, there are all kinds of chili in the world

Lots of ingredients out there. Corn? Absolutely! Beans? You bet! What else? I can’t think of many ingredients that couldn’t go in chili. For you Texans who think that chili is all meat, no it isn’t!

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by Rip Jersey on Jan 29, 2012 2:36 PM CST up reply actions  

I make chicken chili all the time

i add celery, mushrooms, and corn, too. It is awesome!

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by Rip Jersey on Jan 30, 2012 10:27 AM CST up reply actions  

Love corn and beans in my "chili"

haters gonna hate

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by nolander on Jan 31, 2012 12:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Scare quotes are appropriate here,

since what you are describing is clearly stew of some sort.

I would not be surprised to learn it also contains cinnamon and noodles.

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by FreedomRide on Jan 31, 2012 9:01 AM CST up reply actions  

LOL...or soup

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by professortex on Jan 31, 2012 9:43 AM CST up reply actions  

Ha!

Yup.

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by FreedomRide on Jan 31, 2012 10:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Dude, you and I are gonna end up with a reputation

like thos two old guys on the Muppets that sit up in th balcony.

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by professortex on Jan 31, 2012 10:12 AM CST up reply actions  

lol

Time for new avatars.

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by FreedomRide on Jan 31, 2012 10:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Huh?

“scuse me, but us Texicans, along with the Mexicans, invented the stuff…I figure we’d know.

But then again, back in the early 1980’s, I went to a “Country and Western” club in Chicago. They were doing some weird chorus girl thing in the middle of the dance floor. When I asked some of the folks around me what they were doing, they said it was a “line dance” and it comes from Texas. Well, I was from Texas, and I did a lot of dancing in Texas, but I never saw that before.

So I guess Folks from all over the country are deciding for us Texans what we invent.

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by professortex on Jan 31, 2012 9:53 AM CST up reply actions  

Truth. You could put broccoli in yogurt and call it ice cream, too.

But you’d be lying.

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by FreedomRide on Jan 29, 2012 3:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Breyer's Best Broccoli

…I can see it. Marketing coup.
;- )

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by chuckiepoo on Jan 29, 2012 4:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I won't touch chili with beans in it.

Corn, that was wrong on so many levels.

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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Jan 29, 2012 6:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Objection!

Not chili!

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by UprootedTexan on Jan 29, 2012 5:21 PM CST up reply actions  

It might even be tasty. But chili?

No.

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-Chief Inspector Dreyfus

by FreedomRide on Jan 29, 2012 5:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Stew? Soup?

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Jan 31, 2012 10:12 AM CST up reply actions  

...slop?

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by FreedomRide on Jan 31, 2012 10:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Speaking of 90s rap

Can’t remember if any BRBers retweeted this from SBN yesterday, but some fella went on an MDC-like fact search and discovered Ice Cube’s good day about which he rapped was January 20, 1992.

Linky.

by BigTexBD on Jan 28, 2012 6:52 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

This is

AWESOME.

I have not yet begun to defile myself.

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by MDC on Jan 28, 2012 7:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I love the smell of this comment

Smells like… victory.

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Never use a long word where a short one will do.
If it is possible to cut a word out, always cut it out.
Never use the passive where you can use the active.
Never use a foreign phrase, a scientific word, or a jargon word if you can think of an everyday English equivalent.
Break any of these rules sooner than say anything outright barbarous.

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by tehGrindCrusher on Jan 29, 2012 8:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Interesting

Someone else thinks this guy got the date wrong.

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by MDC on Jan 31, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

Hate to say it, but that Deadspin guy makes a pretty good case.

by BigTexBD on Jan 31, 2012 8:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah.

I thought the same thing. The pager part was interesting enough, but the timeline of when Cube would have become much more famous kind of seals it.

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by MDC on Jan 31, 2012 9:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I know it's futile.

But I’m considering making it my life’s mission to convince “statisticians” and talking heads to stop using wins as an individual player stat for both pitchers and quarterbacks.

GET A SILK BAG FROM THE GRAVEYARD DUCK TO LIVE LONGER.

by Synchysi on Jan 29, 2012 12:57 PM CST reply actions  

I hope you succeed.

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by MDC on Jan 30, 2012 8:56 AM CST up reply actions  

They called me Biff throughout all of grade school

That is all.

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by Bro Namath on Jan 29, 2012 2:37 PM CST reply actions  

Was it an insult or not?

:-)

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by bigfatdrunk on Jan 29, 2012 5:19 PM CST up reply actions  


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