A Look At 2012 Free Agents For The Houston Texans
Normally, at this time of year, I would be focused on the NFL Draft on a nearly exclusive level. Actually, I would have been thinking about the draft around November and really begun focusing on absorbing information like a sponge. When you have a good team, the draft takes a backseat until February, and when your team is young, then it can even wait until after the exclusive negotiating period between players and teams.
Your Houston Texans will be entering their first off-season as a good, contending team. With a lot of quality and youth on the roster, the more pressing need is to retain their own free agents, and maybe add one or two other veterans to the roster.
Let’s take a look, below the jump, to see whose contracts are up in Houston and what the team will likely do with each of them.
OLB Mario Williams
He’s the biggest unrestricted free agent and only defensive starter on the list. Williams is not easily replaceable in the least, so expect the Texans to make the effort to re-sign him. The ideal situation would be a contract in the Terrell Suggs and DeMarcus Ware endbacker neighborhood.
C Chris Myers
Another big talent for the Texans who they will make an effort to re-sign. Ideally, his contract won’t be too much more than what it was before, with just a jump in guaranteed dollars.
SS Dominique Barber
The coaches seem to like him. The former Golden Gopher should be back at a low price to continue to provide safety depth unless Shiloh Keo has progressed that much in practice.
G Kasey Studdard
Like Barber, Studdard’s a staff favorite and should be retained as cheap depth.
QB Jake Delhomme and QB Jeff Garcia
Both of the quarterbacks were only in Houston due to injuries. Their contracts should come off and stay off the books.
WR Bryant Johnson
Another body brought onto the team by injury. I don’t expect him back when you can find a younger player with more potential who's willing to play on special teams for far cheaper than the veteran minimum.
P Matt Turk
Brett Hartmann should return to full health, so there’s no need for the elder statesman. To his credit, Turk did perform decently in his return to Houston – especially in the Wild Card game against Cincinnati.
RB Derrick Ward
Like Johnson, he’s buried on the depth chart and long in the tooth. Unlike Johnson, Ward has some value since he has actually been productive in Houston. Still, you can find a cheaper, fresher body for special teams in the draft process.
CB Jason Allen
Allen won’t play for peanuts and has to be tired of splitting time. I expect him to go elsewhere and compete for a starting gig. Still, it will be interesting to see if Houston re-signs him or some other veteran to push Kareem Jackson.
TE Joel Dreessen
Often underrated, Dreessen has been a nice cog in the Texans’ machine for a few years. If he were younger, I could see another team attempt to pry him away, but he’s not and teams will likely draft younger, athletic tight ends. I expect the soon-to-be 29 year old to stay in Houston.
G Mike Brisiel
A key cog in the line and a good guard to boot, the feisty veteran should get attention. However, Brisiel’s been plagued with injuries. Hopefully, that’ll keep interest and cost low, but it wouldn’t be the end of the world if Brisiel ended up elsewhere.
K Neil Rackers
It has been nice to have a reliable kicker in Houston, and Rackers has taken well to the Texans. They should maintain their relationship moving forward.
DE Tim Bulman
He’s a solid defensive line talent that should be re-signed on the cheap.
LB Tim Dobbins
A depth player who played well on special teams and even made a big defensive stop against Baltimore. With Darryl Sharpton returning, there’s not a pressing need for Dobbins to return. He could possibly re-sign on the cheap, but perhaps the team will invest a draft pick on a younger, cheaper ILB.
RB Arian Foster (RFA)
Either Arian’s signing a big tender, a new contract, or a team will have to part with quality draft picks to get him. In all cases, the Texans get something positive in return. I imagine they’ll look to craft a new deal with Foster. If the Texans are lucky, it’ll be in the same mold as Jamaal Charles’ deal.
S Quintin Demps (RFA)
It’s possible Demps could be brought back, but it’s not a necessity due to Danieal Manning, Troy Nolan, Glover Quin, Shiloh Keo, and, presumably, Dominique Barber on the roster.
DS Jon Weeks (ERFA)
So long as he’s tendered, Weeks will be back due to his exclusive rights free agency.
For those squeamish about the cap, not only are all these numbers off the books, but you haven’t even factored in any players who could be cut or restructured (Matt Leinart, Jacoby Jones, Kevin Walter, or DeMeco Ryans, to name a few). Heck, Matt Schaub and Antonio Smith could also sign long-term deals to spread their cap hits out, as their contracts are nearing expiration. There are plenty of solutions around for Rick Smith to take advantage of, so don’t get squeamish yet – trust in the plan.
More immediately, Houston will be afforded a rare luxury to draft best available talent as long as the Texans take care of their own. The immediate holes to fill would be fewer and further between. Who knew this 'being good and on the verge of something special' thing actually had some real off-season benefits?
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Lienart, jacoby, and walter should be cut.
I dont care how good they block these players can be replaced by maehl,tj, and lestar! With that 9 mill we can get a wayne, garcon or gonzales from indy with change left over to pay myers.
by Hstntxns on Jan 31, 2012 7:56 AM CST via mobile reply actions
i agree with two of them gone.
Walter is a Kubiak favorite, so he is not going anywhere. We all know we need more out of our #2 WR.
2012 1st round draft pick is...............
Agree with this
I don’t really want Walter cut, and I do not think he will be either.
"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce
Yeah, I think Walter should stick around
But I think we need to acquire another WR2 so that if there’s an injury, Walter doesn’t wind up having to play WR1 again.
yea I would keep Walter as well
He is very reliable but the other players you named can go
by Zukywich08 on Jan 31, 2012 10:33 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
I think Walter will be gone simply as a cap casualty
For what he does & the production he gives, he’s overpaid. Jacoby & Walter should & could (respectively) be gone & replaced by rookie draft picks
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If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Jan 31, 2012 11:55 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
i have to slightly disagree with u owl..
due to “what he does & production”..with k dub its more about his size 6’3/6/4 and blocking..his knows the off and is HUGE in running blocking..i agree that we need a new #2 but its more for grooming the next AJ..i think during that grooming process we can keep k dub the extra 2-3 years
Sanu and Jones FTW!!!
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If you had to choose between Sanu & Toon, which one?
Both are 6’2"
Both are about 215-220 lbs
Both run about a 4.5 in the 40
Watching highlights of both, it seems Sanu is bigger and blocks well, and Toon seems faster and can spread it out more. I could be wrong about this, but just wondering what people think. If I had to choose now, before the combines and further research, I’d go with Sanu but it’s close.
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I would go with Sanu as well
Looks like he is more athletic
And has better hands. He ran some wildcat plays at rutgers so that shows you what kind of player he is
by Zukywich08 on Jan 31, 2012 9:20 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Sanu, all the foot injuries issues with Toon is starting to worry me too much
And we in Houston should be tired of players with injured feet by now
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If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 1, 2012 12:00 AM CST up reply actions
Actually, I'm leaning more towards Sanu & Juron Criner
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Jan 31, 2012 11:58 PM CST up reply actions
So replace Walter
with two undrafted dudes who don’t even have a single catch. Seems logical.
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by DaGoaT on Jan 31, 2012 12:28 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Walter isn't worth the
money and he is the team’s 5th option, I don’t think replacing him is that big a deal.
by Bobbythegreat on Jan 31, 2012 2:16 PM CST up reply actions
I can listen
to calls to replace him even though I don’t agree with it, but to say replace him with two undrafted scrubs with zero production is ungodly laughable. Its like all the Dorin Dickerson fanbois. How did that work out again?
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We don't ask very much of him
I would much rather get the ball to Arian Foster, Andre Johnson, Owen Daniels, Joel Dreeson, or James Casey. Most teams don’t even have that many options so I don’t see how his “production” would be missed all that much. I personally think that a draft pick could do enough to be the Texans 5th or 6th option with the ball.
by Bobbythegreat on Jan 31, 2012 9:36 PM CST up reply actions
We're not talking about replacing him with undrafted players right now
We’re talking about replacing him with a 1st round pick
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"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 1, 2012 12:02 AM CST up reply actions
I was refering to the post I replied to
where the guy suggested replacing Walter with Maehl or Lester.
Also I would replace Jacoby with a 1st round rookie and keep Walter.
The Houston Texans: The Ron Paul of the NFL.
I would replace Jacoby
and Walter with a 1st round rookie and bring up a random practice squad player for whatever scraps there are left.
by Bobbythegreat on Feb 1, 2012 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
I would replace Jacoby with an extra cheerleader.
With nice bewbz
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NOSE TACKLE??
i think Antonino Garay would be a perfect fit for us at nose…. imo what do you guys think?
sean cody had a good season
theres no need to spend money replacing him imo
by Johnson vs. Finnegan on Jan 31, 2012 5:23 PM CST up reply actions
what screen were you watching?
btw he is known as innegan around here since dre beat the f out of him
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by NoSafetiesNeeded on Jan 31, 2012 6:54 PM CST up reply actions
I was watching the one where Cody wasn't nearly as bad as y'all keep insisting he was
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I'd like to see Leinart and JJ cut
And hopefully restructure Walter and DeMeco. That should free up some much needed cap space. I would let Allen and Ward walk, but hopefully they can keep pretty much everyone else that was not just brought in for injury purposes (Turk, Johnson, etc.)
"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce
I wouldn't mind an extension for Schaub and Antonio
Both count as $8M towards the cap, an extension could bring some relief and reward two guys who mean a lot to the franchise.
"Lord, beer me strength."
I like the sound of that as well
Give Schaub another 2-3 years to give TJ some time to develop and see if you have a future QB in him. And of course, you want to keep the Ninja!
"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce
This is a good idea.
Assuming Schaub comes back healthy, and he should.
Ryans number this season is high too, so that would be worth reworking.
OK let's see...
Cut Leinart & JJ for sure (cap relief)
Extend Schaub & Antonio (cap relief)
Restructure Ryans & Walter (cap relief)
With all the relief, sign Foster & Myers. Briesel too.
New contract for Mario, less than he makes now but fair and backloaded. Then we see if he likes it here or not. Frankly, if he wants the most money possible, then he can go and I wouldn’t blame him, but I would not give away the farm for him.
Sounds like a good plan, now let’s see if they do it!
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IIRC
Smith and Ryans already restructured deals last offseason to make signing JJo and Manning possible
by Andres_Johnson on Feb 1, 2012 5:26 PM CST up reply actions
I don't see us re-signing as many of the players as the OP indicates.
I think we will definitely re-sign Foster and Myers. I think we will go to great lengths to try and re-sign Williams, but he’s going to command a lot of money and we have something like $2MM in cap room right now. If we’re to re-sign these three alone, we’re looking at essentially NOT re-signing any of the guys above.
- Studdard is gone, as I think Shelley Smith is finally going to be used to replace him and that we draft a rookie guard.
- Barber is probably gone, because he’s kept around as a special teams ace, a role that was taken on quite nicely by both Keo and Braman.
- Delhomme, Garcia, and Leinart are probably gone. We’ll add another veteran QB late in the offseason and probably have a rookie QB on the PS.
- Turk is gone. I think Hartmann is going to be an elite punter.
- B. Johnson’s gone. He wasn’t terrible, but it says a lot that he didn’t contribute more in a season where Andre Johnson basically didn’t play.
- Ward is probably gone. He can get more playing time elsewhere and will attract attention from some team like the Rams to take some of the carries from Stephen Jackson.
- Allen is probably gone. He’s ideally a Nickel/Dime player who will be looking for more money than we’ll be able to pay him.
- I don’t know what we’ll do with Dreessen. He’s a typical Smithiak re-signing. We already have three other TEs though, and Casey REALLY needs to see the field more for this offense to flourish. Garrett Graham also looks like he’s got the same skillset as Owen Daniels
- Brisiel. I think he’ll be allowed to walk. The staff has been trying to acclimate Caldwell to starting. Caldwell’s been decent at best, but I can see us allowing Brisiel to move on to a place like Denver or Washington.
- Rackers ought to be re-signed.
- Bulman’s gone. Jamison showed more.
- Dobbins will stay because of Sharpton’s injury.
- I think Demps stays. Apparently Kubiak apologized to him for cutting him, which speaks pretty strongly to the possibility of keeping him.
Just my two cents.
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A part of me agrees...
I wouldn’t be surprised if they used the draft to grab younger depth. None of those depth guys would cripple…even losing Brisiel doesn’t truly hurt the team. Their past history is what swayed me to think they’ll try and retain the cheap depth.
What’s this about apologizing to Demps?
"Lord, beer me strength."
Well, bear with me because this was mentioned by Pancakes on SR610...
… but apparently, after Demps was brought back and played so well in Nolan’s absence, Kubiak apologized to Demps for cutting him before the season. Take it how you will, but if it’s true, I have a hard time believing they let him walk. He’s certainly valuable depth.
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Plus Demps has kick & punt return skills
If & when Jacoby Jones is gone, it’s best to keep someone around with those skills
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"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Jan 31, 2012 11:58 AM CST up reply actions
I dont see Brisiel as expendable
I think our starting line needs to be held together. They work well together and it can be costly to rely on Caldwell (he is only decent and what if he gets hurt?).
Dobbins- Forever in my heart for that goal line stand against Ray Rice. WOW.
Demps- Outplayed Keo and Barber by a landslide on both defense and ST. I saw Demps in at safety A LOT and I actually saw him make a few plays.
This is an atypical offseason for the Texans where their most important work in free agency is retaining our own players. If we resign Foster, Myers, Brisiel, Rackers, and Dobbins and Bulman for depth, then try our hardest to re-sign Mario, give me a draft and we are set for another run.
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by theSpaceCityKid on Jan 31, 2012 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
The expendable part, for me, about Brisiel is that he's missed...
18 games (out of 48) over the past three seasons. It’s not as if he’s Myers, who hasn’t missed a game.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Every time he has been out, his replacement has looked bad and our offensive production has suffered.
And if you’re squeamish about re-signing Brisiel (for what’s likely to be about $12 million over 4 years), I don’t know how you can justify handing a heaping pile of guaranteed money to Mario, who hasn’t been healthy since 2008.
by Nashmeister on Jan 31, 2012 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
Because Mario has played through most of his pain...
8.5 sacks while suffering a sports hernia and Frank Bush defense in 13 games (until the team was out of contention). Bit of a raw deal on the IRing this season since he could’ve returned….but it’s not as if he’s regularly missing chunks of the season like Brisiel has over the past 3 (since he’s been named a starter).
"Lord, beer me strength."
If you have a viable back-up, playing through the pain isn't all that important to me.
Mario isn’t so great that he’s a better option going at 70% than Reed or Barwin at 100%. As Reed has shown, effort and relentless pursuit go a long way at that position, and it’s hard to keep that up playing through an injury.
And the IRing wasn’t a raw deal; it was a 3-4 month rehab. Best projections had him back in January. They’d have wasted a a roster spot to bring somebody back at less than full strength for two playoff games at best (and bumped Brooks Reed and his 3.5 postseason sacks to the bench).
It might be a riskier proposition, but there’s considerably less at risk. Brisiel’s entire contract is likely to have less guaranteed money than one year of Mario’s.
"Mario isn’t so great that he’s a better option going at 70% than Reed or Barwin at 100%."
I strongly disagree with this statement in terms of run defense, and (especially) as applied to Reed.
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by MDC on Jan 31, 2012 3:16 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
as well as
barwin 100% or reed 100% in pash rush…they both had great years and im happy reed has panned out and that barwin got to stay healthy and show he is as good as the team thought when drafting him..but mario was on his way to a multiple sack game against the raiders and i think def would have had over 16 sacks on the year…and just as MDC said theres no comparison when it comes to run stop ESPECIALLY with reed who gets so far up field on his pash rush that the run will slide right past him
Keep in mind, that's something that Mario developed over his first few years in the league.
ESPECIALLY with reed who gets so far up field on his pash rush that the run will slide right past him
Wasn’t Mario notorious for this? These guys are all pass rushers in college, anyways. Most need some time in the NFL to develop that run recognition. Reed was actually pretty good against the run once he took over at SOLB. He got a bad rap (mostly from me) early on for blowing backside contain a few times, but he definitely improved as the season went on.
As for Mario getting 16 sacks… Eh, maybe. Only four guys in the league did it last year, and we faced much better pass protection as the season went on. But you could also surmise that Barwin might have had 14-15 if he had played WOLB for the first five games. He had 2 sacks in 5 games at SOLB against bad offensive lines, and 10 sacks in 11 regular season games at WOLB.
Good point
There’s no guarantee Mario would have ended up with 16 sacks. The whole argument of “he was on his way to 16 sacks before he got hurt” makes no sense. Just because someone started off great doesn’t mean they finish great. And the flip side is true also…someone who starts off struggling could end up beasting.
"I don’t like to really get in the quarterback’s head because I know he has a thousand other things to think about when he’s out on the field, but T.J. knows where I’m at."—Wide receiver Andre Johnson, on whether or not he lobbies for the ball in the huddle.
my thinking on him getting 16
sacks this year is how well he started off and how well barwin and reed did in replacing him…im thinking this would have been the year where he had a couple of multiple sack games and i think the more he got used to the schemes by being in it all year he would get a little more lathered up..plus with reed he would get spots off to rest during the games more..numbers ur listing with barwin arent that far off and barwin vs mario makes me think 16 is nothing extra crazy
As for Mario getting 16 sacks
He’s only had double digit sacks in his career (‘07 and ’08). That’s why the “on pace for” argument is one of my biggest pet peeves. It’s all speculation because we have no idea what would’ve happened had Mario stayed healthy, which he hasn’t managed to do since ’09.
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Re: there's no comparison when it comes to run stop
I beg to differ. As I stated in my reply to MDC, Reed’s numbers in 11 starts are comparable to Mario’s career average in tackles. To say Mario is a far superior run blocker is simply not true, given the limited sample size we have on Reed to compare. Sounds like wishful thinking to me.
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I disagree with your disagreement
Reed had 45 tackles in 11 starts. Mario’s career average (in season’s where he has started all 16) is 50.5. There’s no reason to believe Reed wouldn’t have had at least 50 had he started all 16 games.
Also, the last time Mario had 45+ tackles was 2008.
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Yet he finished a game on a broken leg
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by The Night Owl on Jan 31, 2012 11:59 AM CST up reply actions
I tend to agree about Caldwell
I was not impressed with what I saw this year.
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I agree with almost all you have said except for Briesel
The guy is very tough. He was still playing in Cincy when his leg was broken! You gota keep a guy like that on your team. When Caldwell played, he got pushed back and/or let the rusher get past him. Big difference. Because of his injuries, the FO should be able to renegotiate a fair deal that lowers the cap hit. And Briesel should take it, since this is a run-first offense which O-linemen prefer anyway.
"Sometimes my ninjitsu styles come out when I don’t even want ‘em to,"—Antonio Smith.
Whatever Smith does, it will have to be influenced strongly by next year,
when Duane Brown’s free agency will ignite a feeding frenzy if he has another outstanding season.
Letting a young, franchise LT get away would be unacceptable, so Smith has to preserve plenty of room to deal.
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Agreed.
Brown has quietly become simultaneously our best and most invisible lineman. I’d like to see him extended a la Winston.
Elsewhere, someone mentioned extending Schaub and Smith as well to spare us their impending Free Agencies in the next couple of seasons. I agree in offering a 3 or 4 year extension to Smith, but I’m taking Schaub’s contract all the way to Free Agency. He’s been here for 5 years and been healthy for 2 of them. Yes, he was pretty damned good when he was on the field, but I don’t think any of us should just accept what happened this season. I think there’s a strong chance we could be playing the Giants in the Super Bowl if we had Schaub still on the field.
But Brown is an elite left tackle. Additionally, Cushing and Barwin have Free Agencies coming up as well, and we absolutely cannot let the corps of our front 7 – Cushing, Barwin, and Watt – deteriorate.
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I think we'll let Smith go after his contract expires.
He’ll be 31 next season.
I disagree.
Antonio Smith is one of the best 3-4 DEs in the game. 31 is old, but not THAT old. He hasn’t slowed down, he’s been integral to the production of our OLBs and the development of J.J. Watt, and he’s a team leader. I think we keep him until he’s 35 or 36.
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Wow.
35 or 36? If he’s still effective at that age, I’d love it.
Ray lewis was still good at 85
why can’t smith go to 35-36?
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by professortex on Jan 31, 2012 1:25 PM CST up reply actions
It certainly isn't old for pass-rushers/DL
So long as he doesn’t just get horribly slow, he should be effective.
"Lord, beer me strength."
The ninjas speed could slightly diminish
and he would STILL have above average quickness for a Dlineman. When I went to training camp this year, Antonio Smith was teaching JJ Watt a ton of hand move “combos” that Watt was executing perfectly minutes afterward in one on one drills with huge results. I think Smith can be an outstanding influence for Watt as a 34DE.
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by theSpaceCityKid on Jan 31, 2012 1:36 PM CST up reply actions
Not bad for someone who didn't like the idea of going to 3-4...
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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Jan 31, 2012 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
I thought Mario was the one not liking the move
Smith had already been in a 3-4 in AZ and played well.
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by theSpaceCityKid on Jan 31, 2012 2:17 PM CST up reply actions
Disgruntled may be a little strong
Skeptical is more like it. Smith was quickly on board after he saw exactly how Wade runs his scheme.
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He certainly seemed plenty happy as the season went along, didn't he?
Got his Ninja groove on strong.
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3-4 DE's are hard to find, especially ones that are an actual pass rushing threat
and they can usually last till mid 30’s and still be effective (Brett Kiesel for the steelers is a good Example). I think if we have a guy in the later rounds that smith and Co. like they will get him but its rare to find good 3-4 de free agents.
antonio will be back next year and the year after that
after that? who knows
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he should be fine for at least 2 years but we don't wanna hold on to him for too long
otherwise we could be the Steelers Line from this year, broken down and beat up
Keisel isn't really a pass-rushing threat, is he?
I’m torn about Antonio Smith, though. He’s a hell of a pass-rusher, but he brings nothing against the run. And his excellence is a result of a quick first step; might that be the first thing to go? On the other hand, he hasn’t missed a game since 2005, and his interior pass-rush in our four-man is pretty damn vital.
I’d love to be able to get him on a shorter extension (4 years tops, preferably 3), but that probably won’t happen. Wouldn’t mind drafting a replacement for relief, anyways.
by Nashmeister on Jan 31, 2012 11:44 AM CST up reply actions
jason allen will not be back
he is NOT a fan of the city of houston
@THEREALALLENOU on twitter - "The man, the verb, the legend" OU'd
Really? Where did you hear this?
I figured the fact that we probably extended his career in the NFL by at least another 2 or 3 years would give him the warm-fuzzies for us.
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Why?
What doesn’t he like about Houston? What team he want to play for?
by Pbomb on Jan 31, 2012 1:44 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Probably New England
Cuz they play his type of D there.
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by MeSoLongHorny on Jan 31, 2012 1:48 PM CST up reply actions
Better Fit then..
NE defense is not that great. Especially their secondary.
by Pbomb on Jan 31, 2012 2:22 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
I'd like an actual response.
Not you pulling things out of your ass.
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by krkenney on Jan 31, 2012 2:33 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
When you can't beat out Kareem Jackson for a starting job...
Can’t say that I would want him back.
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by TexansDC on Jan 31, 2012 10:54 AM CST up reply actions 7 recs
I agree with this
however will deny it to said persons face if asked
@THEREALALLENOU on twitter - "The man, the verb, the legend" OU'd
Gregg Knapp, raiders OC
so much for keeping all our coaches
as long as wade stays im good
@THEREALALLENOU on twitter - "The man, the verb, the legend" OU'd
is it official?
If it is any other QB coaches you could see us looking at
by Zukywich08 on Jan 31, 2012 11:07 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Jeff Garcia??
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Jan 31, 2012 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
yea. But Greg Knapp is probably the best QB coach in the league.
Could have gone a long way in helping TJ become good. But I’m thankful for all the sleepless nights he put in this year as our QB coach. Good luck to him!
I figured that if I said it enough, I would convince the world that I really was the greatest.
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Yates had...
Schaub, Leinart, Kubiak, Knapp, Delhomme, and Garcia mentoring him….wasn’t just the one man show. They’ll find some old NFL veteran for the gig.
"Lord, beer me strength."
this is who I think we keep and let go
Tim dobbins- I think we let him walk and get another ILB with one of our later round draft picks
Tim bulman- He will walk as well unless he signs for vets min
Neil rackers- keeping Rackers is a must. Not too many quality kickers on the open market
Mike Brisiel- must resign him back. He is injury prone but we need to keep our oline intact
Joel Dreessen- this is a tough one. I want to keep him but I think we let him walk cause we have so many other TEs and he will get offered more than we are willing to pay
Jason Allen- he is gone and we will pick up a solid #2 in free agency. Tracy porter maybe?
Derrick Ward- I want to keep ward as well but I think we let him go and pick up another back in the draft since they come a dime a dozen. Somebody like Taureen Poole from Tennessee
Matt Turk- obviously letting him go since we have our future punter in the hit man
Bryant Johnson- another no brainier here. We will be picking up a couple recievers in draft
Delhomme and Garcia- retire lol
Kasey studdard- we will let him walk since we have Shelly smith who I think will provide quality depth
Dominque barber- he’s gone. Not much need for him on the roster
Chris Myers- MUST resign and we will
Mario Williams- prolly will be walking just cause we won’t have enough cap room
by Zukywich08 on Jan 31, 2012 11:26 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions
I think the Texans may resign either Delhomme or Garcia to become our new QB coach now that Knapp is gone
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Jan 31, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
that makes no sense
They have combined about 5 minutes of experience in Kubiak’s system.
The Houston Texans: The Ron Paul of the NFL.
Garcia has a career of experience in the West Coast Offense.
It’s not a bad idea if he wants to coach.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Peyton Manning???
Wouldn’t that suck for Indy?
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 1, 2012 12:03 AM CST up reply actions
would Todd Haley be any good
As our new QB coach? Don’t really no much about him but I know he has been offered some OC jobs
by Zukywich08 on Jan 31, 2012 12:46 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
All you need to know about Haley
is that he’s an unlikable douchebag.
I have not yet begun to defile myself.
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by MDC on Jan 31, 2012 3:18 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I'll put aside my intense hatred of the douche
To point out that A) he was a WR coach with no notable WRs to his credit for development and B) he only got a head coaching job because Kurt Warner was throwing to Larry Fitzgerald.
"Lord, beer me strength."
No!
EMBRACE THE HATE!
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Kane?
Madame de Staël once said, "One must choose in life between boredom and suffering." De Staël is dead but there is always an alternative.
This is where the cool is.
Might be in the minority
but I would prefer the Rackers relationship to be pen pals.
i would like to see the hitman do both jobs
- Feeling the five stages of grief since 2002.
"It's either gonna make you a man or a coward. One of the two. I'm a be a man. I ain't never seen a coward, heard a coward, coward not in ma
vocabulary." - Lawrence Vickers
"I believe in this "zombie team that won’t fucking die no matter how many body parts you shoot off." We can win this game.
by NoSafetiesNeeded on Jan 31, 2012 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
I've questioned why he hasn't tried FG kicking.
He has the leg (knock on wood that his injury doesn’t hurt his performance in the long run). Is kicking a snapped and held ball that much different than kicking from a tee that he wouldn’t be able to do both (or all three, rather)?
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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Jan 31, 2012 1:26 PM CST up reply actions
I thought of that.
It’s really the only other reason I can come up with.
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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Jan 31, 2012 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
I've seen his punts and they were really good.
punting is much more difficult in my opinion.
- Feeling the five stages of grief since 2002.
"It's either gonna make you a man or a coward. One of the two. I'm a be a man. I ain't never seen a coward, heard a coward, coward not in ma
vocabulary." - Lawrence Vickers
"I believe in this "zombie team that won’t fucking die no matter how many body parts you shoot off." We can win this game.
by NoSafetiesNeeded on Jan 31, 2012 7:03 PM CST up reply actions
The tee is always in the middle of the field.
When you’re kicking a FG you’ll usually be at the Hash, and it’ll be harder to hit. Maybe if he worked on it a lot he could do it.
I think Demps is going to be back.
When they resigned him and had him playing Kubiak said in one of his press conferences they missed on him when they initially cut him. He made some real nice pays at Safety and he did get a lot of play time and can even be used as an alternate Kick returner to Manning.
Wouldn’t surprise me if they let Barber go and retained Demps. He’s young and has speed which is really nice to have in a Safety.
Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.
I expect Myers and Rackers back.
And I expect Demps and Foster to be back.
The rest of those guys I either expect to be allowed to walk or the situation is to murky to really predict one way or the other (Mario mainly).
Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.
Myers & Briesel should be back too
We need to keep the O-line as intact as possible, and maybe pick up another O-lineman in the draft for depth. I know we got Newton last year, but I don’t know how bad his injury was and haven’t seen enough yet, plus we were very thin at the O-line due to injuries.
"I don’t like to really get in the quarterback’s head because I know he has a thousand other things to think about when he’s out on the field, but T.J. knows where I’m at."—Wide receiver Andre Johnson, on whether or not he lobbies for the ball in the huddle.
It appears there’s strong sentiment in N’ Awlins for signing Mario.
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-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
Mario is all but out the door IMO
It’s just a question of where he ends up. I would prefer an NFC team but it seems like a lot of the teams with interest are in the AFC unfortunately.
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Don't the Saints have some cap concerns as well?
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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 1, 2012 2:54 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, the've got a bunch of guys to try to pay.
They have a couple it would be nice to grab.
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