Unsung Hero: Houston Has No Master Of Panic
by TexansDC on Jan 9, 2012 9:01 AM CST
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I know everyone is excited right now. I mean, how could you not be excited about the postseason version of "Unsung Heroes?"
I would love to write a post remembering Andre Johnson's first playoff game and touchdown, trumpeting the awesomeness of J.J. Watt, or talking about the surprising appearance of Earl Mitchell. However, none of those amazing Texans are my Unsung Hero of the Wild Card Weekend.
Before I name that man, I will throw out an attaboy to wide receiver Jacoby Jones. We can mock Jones all we want about his inconsistent hands, but this season has seen his blocking improve exponentially. When it comes to securing the edge on pitches, Jacoby's been second to none. He aggressively pounces on his cornerback and his blocking was a big reason why Arian Foster scored that second touchdown (along with a fantastic effort on Foster's part and a fail on Chris Crocker's effort).
Applause for blocking now done, let's jump to find our Unsung Hero.
Instead of taking a knee and running out the clock at the end of the first half with one timeout and 80 yards to go, the coach tells his team to move the ball and gives up a pick-six which changed the entire complexion of the game. The same head coach also increasingly leaned on his rookie quarterback when his original gameplan was to establish the running game.
Meanwhile, the other head coach never showed a sign of panic. His team came out jittery, but the plan never changed - even when the star running back bobbled the ball twice. When the game was tied at a gut-wrenching 10-10, the ol' ball coach looked calm and in control on the sidelines. He called for the usual tried and true effort of run the ball, take a play action shot here and there, and rely on the defense.
Perhaps most surprisingly was the game-winning knockout shot in the 3rd quarter. The head coach, oft criticized this season for his conservative play-calling, called for his rookie quarterback to take a deep shot on 2nd and 8. If J.J. Watt grabbed momentum by the throat, then Andre Johnson took momentum to the house and bolted the door. It was the right call at the right time.
These are reasons why head coach Gary Kubiak gets the Unsung Hero award. He didn't let the pressure get to him at all on Saturday. Kubiak stayed the course and now moves on to Baltimore for a divisional round match-up with the Ravens.
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I don't think I've never rec'd a post...
but the goosebumps on my arm just rec’d the hell out of this one.
the only thing missing
Was David Carr on a leash held by bum phillps when he walked out of the tunnel.
Dirt dog pimp
by jahunter221 on Jan 9, 2012 9:08 AM CST via mobile reply actions 5 recs
But the Gimp is sleeping
Rec’d for being funny as hell.
Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life, son.
Not a fan of Kubiak
but I do have to agree, he provided the confidence our guys needed to overcome the nerves and mistakes. Good job GK
Off topic...
but JJ Watt is gonna be on Dan Patrick shortly.
*Proud Packers shareholder*
With my last breath, I curse Zoidberg!
the INTs are awesome
Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!
by theSpaceCityKid on Jan 9, 2012 9:58 AM CST up reply actions
i know i sent my bro something along those lines.
All three guys that got a Int are either from free agency or the draft class. Too that i give the FO a hand clap.
It's easy to get good defensive players when Kubiak builds an offense with without using any resources.
Draft:
2006: 1st round LB/DE, 2nd round LB
2007: 1st round DT, 2nd round QB
2008: 1st round LT, 2nd round QB
2009: 1st round LB, 2nd round LB
2010: 1st round CB, 2nd round RB
6 defensive picks
3 offensive picks (pro-bowl qb, all-pro left tackle and Ben Tate)
Free Agents:
Johnathon Joseph
Danieal Manning
Antonio Smith
Shaun Cody
vs.
Wade Smith
Thanks.
Add up the money and it’s still pretty obvious we use our FA resources on D.
I feel Confident taking this team into Baltimore.
Baltimore is looking to New England already. Could this be the first game that we really get an accurate read on Schaub vs. TJ? I am still on the, “I cant wait to have Schaub back next season” wagon… But this is really an opportunity for TJ. Shaub got 14 pts without AJ…
Don't want to derail too much
I prefer TJ over Shaub. He seems to recover better when he makes mistakes. Shaub doesn’t seem to be able to move past them too well, IMO
Meh, let's not get carried away yet.
I will say this: in two games this year where TJ and Andy Dalton were on the same field, TJ was the better QB both times.
Much better the 2nd time.
This is yet unestablished
School is still out on this. I don’t buy the notion that Dalton is a better QB. Yates never got flustered that game, Dalton did. Numbers are close to the same for both of them. Though I am not going to say Yates is better either .
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Jan 9, 2012 12:42 PM CST up reply actions
*Yet to be established...stupid prefix
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Jan 9, 2012 12:43 PM CST up reply actions
Going forward it unknown, but from what I saw Saturday, Dalton was better.
Better arm and better timing on his throws. Dalton’s int’s were not bad throws, any of them, Yates had at least one bad throw that should have been an int.
Yates had the better team around him and the better system.
Dalton is one of his team's two biggest weapons, TJ's our weakest link.
Switch teams and Dalton is even better here.
Can't compare the two
Dalton started all year, and his offense tended to throw the ball 30-40 times a game (only 2 games where he was less than 5 attempts short of 30). Yates has played 6 regular season games, and if you take away week 17, he played 4.5 regular season games
That's a big reason why Dalton's better right now.
Dalton also has the better arm, I think. TJ could end up the better QB in the end, but Saturday they had the better QB.
I think you're underselling TJ,
and Dalton’s performance declined as the 2nd half of the season progressed.
Not saying Red won’t be a player, but TJ came out of totally-fucking-nowhere to be a competent QB in the NFL, and his team beat Dalton’s twice. Not many unknown QBs do something like that.
by FreedomRide on Jan 9, 2012 3:25 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
TJ is a huge product of this offense and a QB guru.
Just because I think Dalton’s better right now doesn’t mean I don’t like TJY.
Dalton really impressed me on Saturday, he made good reads, got the ball out quick and was the victim of two athletically freaky interceptions and one hail mary interception.
Yet one cannot ignore this argument....
does anyone see Ryan Leaf coming into this offense and producing this well? What are some other famous QB busts? Again, insert them into this offense and would they produce this well?
I am beginning to hate this label of a QB being a product of “the system.” TJ is no slouch as a qb and I think he gives nothing away to Dalton on arm strength. That bomb to AJ was a thing of beauty.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
^^This.
Even more impressive was the deep-out-, 1st-down throw to ’Dre. Aaron Rodgers could not have thrown it any better.
There is NO WAY a 5th-round pick should come in and lead a team to a Division title and a playoff win unless he is a genuine NFL starter. Dalton had a good year; TJ’s was better.
Dalton was also a benificiary of being able to throwing the ball up to green and letting him make circus catches
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
"TJ's our weakest link."
Oh, how quickly we forget our 1st round draft pick from 2010…
Houston Texans: 1 Playoff Win.
Vince Young, Dunta Robinson, and Jason Babin: 0 Combined Playoff Wins.
j.j. watt just on the dan patrick show
by HTown80 on Jan 9, 2012 9:56 AM CST via Android app reply actions
I love Kubiak as the Unsung Hero...
Our Offense Looked unstopable in the second half. The key to our teams success i think is playing with the lead… It allows Wade more flexability with play calling on D and more confidence from our Rookie QB… Would love to see us playing with the lead going into the 2nd half again on sunday.
Well deserved!
I love how calm he was through out the whole game. It’s funny because the same people that have been bashing him for having “no emotion” during the game are probably praising him for that same demeanor.
Capt. Nately: You're a shameful opportunist! What you don't understand is that it's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.
Old man in whorehouse: You have it backwards. It's better to live on your feet than to die on your knees. I know.
-Catch 22-
"Oh, I have emotion, Jordann..."
"Lord, beer me strength."
by TexansDC on Jan 9, 2012 10:15 AM CST up reply actions 6 recs
Viggo?
Matt Schwab, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, Jacoby Ford, Kevin Walters, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!
by MeSoLongHorny on Jan 9, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Can we start calling him...
Kubiak the Carpathian?
I've got nothin'...
Hope we don't play New York in the Super Bowl
We need Kubiak the Carpathian far away from the Statue of Liberty…and a nintendo controller.
Matt Schoob, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, Jacoby Ford, Kevin Walters, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!
by MeSoLongHorny on Jan 9, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply actions
Ahhh, but...
Get Brooks, Connor, and Antonio to meet at Manning and force Carr to come in.
Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.
"Will it never be noon?" Duke of Orleans to the Dauphin and Constable of France every Sunday before the Texans play.
by Jonathan Fosburgh on Jan 9, 2012 1:50 PM CST up reply actions
Great idea
Imagine the irony. Just seeing a Texans logo will bring back violent flashbacks for Carr.
Matt Schoob, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, Jacoby Ford, Kevin Walters, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!
by MeSoLongHorny on Jan 9, 2012 1:55 PM CST up reply actions
They better have three QB's suited up.
Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.
"Will it never be noon?" Duke of Orleans to the Dauphin and Constable of France every Sunday before the Texans play.
by Jonathan Fosburgh on Jan 9, 2012 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
dont make me bust out my koob stayin' alive vid again. lol
Michael: The feeling that you're feeling is what many of us call...a feeling.
Gob: It's not like envy, or even hungry...
Do it, it's totally perfect for this thread.
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by Schlauton on Jan 9, 2012 11:31 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
The unsung Hero should be
Kubiak’s haircut! He wanted to look good on national TV.
Matt Schwab, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, Jacoby Ford, Kevin Walters, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!
by MeSoLongHorny on Jan 9, 2012 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
It’s sad when you know so much about the team you notice the HC’s haircut.
I noticed it as soon as I first saw him. :/
.................
LOL. Don't feel sad
True fans notice these things :)
Matt Schwab, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, Jacoby Ford, Kevin Walters, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!
by MeSoLongHorny on Jan 9, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
that guy Mayock is a dumb ass.
“Just knock it down Joseph!”
obivously this IDIOT didn’t watch the jacksonville game last season. o_O
Michael: The feeling that you're feeling is what many of us call...a feeling.
Gob: It's not like envy, or even hungry...
by chrisd21 on Jan 9, 2012 10:38 AM CST reply actions 9 recs
It's the right play to knock it down.. Coaches teach that.
Dallas and Houston fan making it work. Gig 'em!
statistically yes... it's the smart play.
but we all know statistics dont apply when it comes to the texans. lol
Michael: The feeling that you're feeling is what many of us call...a feeling.
Gob: It's not like envy, or even hungry...
by chrisd21 on Jan 9, 2012 10:41 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
I agree with chris
fuck what “they” say.
If your best CB wants to pic it off, then let him.
Mayock needs to stick to the draft
@THEREALALLENOU on twitter - "The man, the verb, the legend" OU'd
by AllenOU on Jan 9, 2012 11:12 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If it were tied at the time
With limited time on the clock, maybe knock it down, otherwise catch it – it is the only way you know you get possession
"The greatest danger in planning for tomorrow is using yesterdays logic."
Marc Kahlberg
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
I think we will learn that the Bo$$man was right
by Barryfromtexas on Jan 9, 2012 5:48 PM CST up reply actions
You read my mind
That’s close to what I was screaming towards my TV. My words were more like “You’re a effing moron, if you’d seen what happened last year, you’d know that knocking a ball down cost us a game, dumbass”
Twitter blew up with "knock it down" remarks from national media
I shuddered from Q-Tip memories and was okay with it. If Joseph wants to get himself a pick….fine by me.
"Lord, beer me strength."
exactly.
in that position with like 14 minutes left i’d rather getting it there. they couldn’t stop our rushing attack, it’s the beginning of the 4th.. more time can be bled off with more field, which means you make them more tired as well. besides the momentum boost turnovers give, and the deflation they cause on the other side.
Michael: The feeling that you're feeling is what many of us call...a feeling.
Gob: It's not like envy, or even hungry...
by chrisd21 on Jan 9, 2012 10:42 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
^^THIS^^
You could almost literally see the wind come out of the Bengals with that INT.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
Exactly. A kid in the yard might be frustrated when you knock the lunch money out of their hands
but they’ll down right cry if you take it and stick it in your pocket!
Going back about 35 years ago, my lunch money was knocked down and taken at times. Taken was always more painful to see. Five years 14 inches and 70lbs later I was knocking them down on the field and saying “lunch money bitch”. Ronnie Lott was my hero back then and I perfected the timed hits to separate the ball from former lunch money stealing jerks from childhood.
"Never Never Never Give Up!" Winston Churchill
Wreck'D
When, Kubiak was just given the award last time.
This time you totally nailed it
Division Champion Houston Texans
Hi My name is Jack, why don't you help me off?
Just wanted to throw something out there
The more I watch that 42-yard Foster run, the more inspired I become. Dear god, it was amazing.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Jan 9, 2012 10:48 AM CST reply actions
more bad play by crocker
than awesome play by foster.
still nice though
@THEREALALLENOU on twitter - "The man, the verb, the legend" OU'd
I don't know about that.
The stiff arm and still stay inbounds was just pure awesomeness by Foster…..I think Foster just flat out got the leverage on Crocker and pwned him.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
I think Foster told Crocker
“Excuse me, but you’re in my way. I’m trying to score a touchdown. Thank you.”
Matt Schwab, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, Jacoby Ford, Kevin Walters, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!
by MeSoLongHorny on Jan 9, 2012 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
Congrats from Cleveland. Great to see the Bungles and Shittsburgh go down!
Texans look good on both sides of the ball. JJ Watt is a beast!
TJ Yates?! Awesome… good luck the rest of the way.
"A drug person can learn to cope with things like seeing their dead grandmother crawling up their leg with a knife in her teeth. But no one should be asked to handle this trip." Thompson
by LocalMan on Jan 9, 2012 10:48 AM CST reply actions 7 recs
It actually just looked like a blown coverage mixed with a speedy receiver.
They sold out run on first down and got burned.
"A drug person can learn to cope with things like seeing their dead grandmother crawling up their leg with a knife in her teeth. But no one should be asked to handle this trip." Thompson
they had Ike Taylor covering Thomas alone for like the whole game
how many 40+ yard catches did that dude have? they should have realized that Ike Taylor is no Revis after the first one.
I say you play zone and rush 4.
Make him play QB, not athlete. Make him read the D, make him hit the windows and above all keep everything in front of you.
They gameplanned to stop the run
they did, but then tebow threw some great passes and killed them.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
His best games are against zone
His worst ones were against man to man
season-wise anyhow
"The greatest danger in planning for tomorrow is using yesterdays logic."
Marc Kahlberg
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
I think we will learn that the Bo$$man was right
by Barryfromtexas on Jan 9, 2012 5:53 PM CST up reply actions
Really? I haven't seen many of his games.
Does he rush for more against zones, too?
That I don't know
I would think running against man would be easier – but I do not know the stats
"The greatest danger in planning for tomorrow is using yesterdays logic."
Marc Kahlberg
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
I think we will learn that the Bo$$man was right
by Barryfromtexas on Jan 9, 2012 6:09 PM CST up reply actions
Thomas finished with 4 catches for 205 yards
a 50 YPC average? That’s just sick
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Jan 9, 2012 1:02 PM CST up reply actions
Seriously.
Remember when Ike Taylor was the 3rd best CB in free agency last summer?
Taylor Nnamdi Joseph. Rick Smith FTW.
Kubiak believes in you
I was thinking that all day during their game.
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
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"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot
This is our clear advantage over Baltimore.
I truly believe, and always have, that we have two of the best playcallers in the NFL on our sidelines.
The people wanting TJ over Schaub
Are just ignorant. Stop, you look like a fool.
Schaub is our QB next year and the year after that. Just stop it
@THEREALALLENOU on twitter - "The man, the verb, the legend" OU'd
by AllenOU on Jan 9, 2012 11:11 AM CST reply actions 10 recs
Agreed!
Remember our 3 game losing streak when people were calling for Delhomme….Delmutherfuckenhomme!
Matt Schwab, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, Jacoby Ford, Kevin Walters, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!
by MeSoLongHorny on Jan 9, 2012 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
And I feel dirty agreeing with a sooner
But is the playoffs baby! And we’re undefeated in the playoffs!
Matt Schwab, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, Jacoby Ford, Kevin Walters, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!
by MeSoLongHorny on Jan 9, 2012 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
Not ignorant of anything
Didn’t say Yates would be the starter next year, I said I think he’s the better QB and that Shaub has a hard time moving past his mistakes when the game is on the line. Happened multiple times last year. The game vs Baltimore being the most obvious
/derail
Schaub was also called to throw more than Yates.
But with Yates, Kubiak is not tempted to throw more and relies more on the running game.
Matt Schwab, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, Jacoby Ford, Kevin Walters, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!
by MeSoLongHorny on Jan 9, 2012 11:26 AM CST up reply actions
I've heard both.
Hopefully now that we’re in the playoffs, the announcers will finally get some names correct.
Remember our first few years in the league, When they kept calling us the Houston Titans? Or calling us Texas instead of Texans?
But I think the name that pisses me off the most is Mary O’ Williams. Fucken Dan Deerfuck.
Matt Schwab, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, Jacoby Ford, Kevin Walters, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!
by MeSoLongHorny on Jan 9, 2012 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
lol
I was making a “that’s the joke!” joke.
by willieboyd on Jan 9, 2012 11:39 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Ahhh
(removes blond wig)
Matt Schwab, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, Jacoby Ford, Kevin Walters, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!
by MeSoLongHorny on Jan 9, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
Playoff merkin
Matt Schwab, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, Jacoby Ford, Kevin Walters, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!
by MeSoLongHorny on Jan 9, 2012 11:43 AM CST up reply actions
Added
Schwab replaced with Schoob.
Matt Schoob, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, Jacoby Ford, Kevin Walters, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!
by MeSoLongHorny on Jan 9, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
So the Texans now have
Mary-O Williams and Matt Shoob?
What’s next? Andre JoHansen and Ariel Forrester?
"Never Never Never Give Up!" Winston Churchill
Seriously?
Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.
"Will it never be noon?" Duke of Orleans to the Dauphin and Constable of France every Sunday before the Texans play.
by Jonathan Fosburgh on Jan 9, 2012 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
Is he our running back
Or Th QB for Green Bay?
"The greatest danger in planning for tomorrow is using yesterdays logic."
Marc Kahlberg
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
I think we will learn that the Bo$$man was right
by Barryfromtexas on Jan 9, 2012 5:58 PM CST up reply actions
Matt S
What’d the announcer on Saturday’s game call Shaub twice in a row when he was pointing out that Shaub was sitting on the bench? Sh-oh-b?
I think Shoob during the playoff game pissed me off the most.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
I think you mean "Shoop"
/Salt-N-Pepa’d
A sharp tongue is the only edged tool that grows keener with constant use.--Washington Irving
That doesn't mean Schaub is better
If you want to compare stats, go rookie year vs rookie year. Yates makes rookie mistakes. He learns from them, of course they get repeated a few times, but he doesn’t seem to let the mistakes get stuck in his head and cause further mistakes
by majestrate on Jan 9, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
moot point
they will compete next preseason, and the winner will be the starter. Problem solved.
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Jan 9, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
Agree
At this point, the Texans are almost game planning around TJ not with him. This is to be expected with a young QB, but it is not something you have to do with teh Schaub. Matt should be our starter for the next year or two, and you use that time to groom TJ to eventually take over.
"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce
I disagree with this,
but that’s the beauty of this blog….we are able to do it respectfully.
And maybe this is just a matter of ?semantics?/?interpretation?….and we are both really thinking the same thing.
With Schaub they create a game plan based on his strengths and how they fit with the team, with TJ they do the same thing. TJ is still very much an NFL caliber playoff. I know for a fact I couldn’t go in there and make some of the plays he has.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
Dumbest. Argument. Ever.
Schaub didn’t play much or at all during his rookie year. Try again.
Capt. Nately: You're a shameful opportunist! What you don't understand is that it's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.
Old man in whorehouse: You have it backwards. It's better to live on your feet than to die on your knees. I know.
-Catch 22-
Exagerate much?
Correct, Schaub didn’t play much his rookie year. Do you realize that you can still takie his one start and find a similar game from Yates and compare the two?
You seem to be quite antagonistic. Am I supposed to be lurking for a year or two before stating my opinions? Would that appease the all-knowing “vet o’ teh internwebs futbal bord”? :P
sigh
Sarcasm is better when you don’t typo :/
*…can still take his one start…
also, before i get "slapped around" for not catching it...
i do know how to spell “exaggerate”
Nope.
No exaggeration over here.
Your argument went like this: Compare one QB’s rookie year to another. Fuck all the variables.
That logic is dumb as shit.
I’m antagonistic because your argument was ridiculously dumb. There’s so many things to consider and it’s not a fair comparison to Schaub.
Capt. Nately: You're a shameful opportunist! What you don't understand is that it's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.
Old man in whorehouse: You have it backwards. It's better to live on your feet than to die on your knees. I know.
-Catch 22-
Agree
Yates could possibly develop into a NFL starter, but right now he’s not on Schaub’s level. He’s certainly surpassed Mr. Leinart though.
"Lord, beer me strength."
by TexansDC on Jan 9, 2012 11:37 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
I understand that Yates could be better,
But at this point and also next year, I would be a lot more comfortable with Schaub behind center.
Matt Schwab, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, Jacoby Ford, Kevin Walters, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!
by MeSoLongHorny on Jan 9, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions
That's not what you said.
Didn’t say Yates would be the starter next year, I said I think he’s the better QB and that Shaub has a hard time moving past his mistakes when the game is on the line. Happened multiple times last year. The game vs Baltimore being the most obvious
Capt. Nately: You're a shameful opportunist! What you don't understand is that it's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.
Old man in whorehouse: You have it backwards. It's better to live on your feet than to die on your knees. I know.
-Catch 22-
...
Yates is not playing as well as Schaub at the moment, that’s because Schaub has more time under his belt. More experience, IMO, when deciding between a vet and a rookie, means the vet should be the starter so that the rookie can continue to build his knowledge-base. That doesn’t mean that the vet is the better QB. You won’t know that until the rookie has had a full season or two of games, so that you can better evaluate his decision making and not have to deal with rookie mistakes
So, as I said, I think Yates is the better QB, even though I don’t believe he should be the starter next year
I think the issue here is about the tense that your using.
Based on your argument, it sounds like you’re saying that Yates will turn out to be the better QB. Jordann is saying that right now, and likely for the next year or two, Schaub is better.
I think the question of Yates v. Schaub will be an interesting one to look back on in 15 years. At this rate, it’s hard to say who will end up being viewed more favorably in the long run. Let’s not forget that one point, Cody Carlson was viewed as the future at the QB position by the Oilers, and that ended up as a spectacular failure.
I don’t think Yates will end up like Carlson, but I don’t think we should declare him better than Schaub either.
by Tailgate Andy on Jan 10, 2012 10:18 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd for logic
"My idea of an agreeable person is a person who agrees with me." -- Benjamin Disraeli
"If you really want something in life you have to work for it. Now quiet, they're about to announce the lottery numbers." -- Homer Simpson
"There is no rehab for stupid." -- Chris Rock
Never try to baptize a cat.
No need to use logic here.
Apparently, it doesn’t apply in this conversation.
Yates is sooooooo much better than Schaub.
Capt. Nately: You're a shameful opportunist! What you don't understand is that it's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.
Old man in whorehouse: You have it backwards. It's better to live on your feet than to die on your knees. I know.
-Catch 22-
.....
"My idea of an agreeable person is a person who agrees with me." -- Benjamin Disraeli
"If you really want something in life you have to work for it. Now quiet, they're about to announce the lottery numbers." -- Homer Simpson
"There is no rehab for stupid." -- Chris Rock
Never try to baptize a cat.
by texanslady on Jan 10, 2012 4:17 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Just because I can't use the correct form of your/you're
doesn’t mean that there’s no room for logic in this thread. And it’s not so much a lack of logic on either of y’all’s part as much as the fact that y’all are having two separate discussions, and then disagreeing when the discussions go in different directions.
/Why is there no edit button?
//Holy crap, that’s going to bother me now that I’ve noticed it.
by Tailgate Andy on Jan 10, 2012 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, I was just trolling you.
And I’m just picking nits with him because I haven’t really given anybody a hard time lately. It was one of the dumbest statements I’ve seen, so I just pounced on it like a spider monkey.
Capt. Nately: You're a shameful opportunist! What you don't understand is that it's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.
Old man in whorehouse: You have it backwards. It's better to live on your feet than to die on your knees. I know.
-Catch 22-
RE: Schaub vs TJ....It's a tough topic, and certainly one of the hottest we'll consider in the offseason
To be fair, I have no emotional or other affiliated connection to either of them except they are both on my favorite NFL team.
If I look at things from a statistics perspective, it is incomplete and not the only measurement that is useful.
If I do the “eye test” on them, they are both somewhat equal for different reasons in terms of moving the offense down field.
Here’s where it gets dicey:
Schaub:
1. Has more experience, and thus can read a defense with more knowledge to understand what he is looking at and how to react before and after the snap as the disguises are unveiled.
2. Does NOT always have the correct instincts and has, in fact, made horrible decisions resulting in turnovers regularly. This is highly suspect for a QB with Matt’s experience level.
3. Seems to be hiding an injury or weakness since about midseason in 2010 (some suspect a minor rotator cuff issue) resulting in less arm strength than in previous seasons, and reduced accuracy which is well documented
4. Has better running ability than Dan Marino, even in Dan’s prime, and would win a flat out sprint against the Hubbard Glacier even in the summer.
5. Does not “make” as many clutch plays to win games as the Texans have needed from a QB, but has provided game winning drives in some situations
TJ Yates:
1. Has less experience and is facing a one to two season learning curve to build the catalog of required “game time” knowledge in learning NFL defensive schemes and the proper reads/reactions. So do a half dozen other starters at QB in the NFL as of January 2012.
2. Has made rookie mistakes, but has also learned from them in the same series, much less in the same game.
3. Has good arm strength and good accuracy, improving as he develops timing with the receivers in less than 7 games.
4. He isn’t Michael Vick or Cam Newton with the legs, but he is a slight upgrade from Schaub (this isn’t hardly worth comparing)
5. Shows he can recover fast from mistakes and can move the team down the field for game winning drives.
The summary “eye test” is that both of these guys are roughly the same. One has more experience and questionable physical ability with his arm in the last couple of seasons, and the other has far less experience and is younger (not showing any disability). There is not much upside for Schaub. He is as good as he will be, or has been and will eventually start to decline. I was really frustrated with Schaub’s shoelace tosses and passes behind receivers early this year and most of last year. It’s unacceptable from a veteran QB. If TJ has more upside with experience, it would seem to make more sense to prove that out and start moving forward.
Otherwise we still don’t have our QB for the next five to seven years on the team yet.
I’m not a Schaub hater or a TJ fanboi. I just expect us to have a QB who can get the job done when surrounded by talent and protected by a defense that ranks #2.
"Never Never Never Give Up!" Winston Churchill
by MeMongo on Jan 9, 2012 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
Eeek this needs to be a fan post.
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"Will it never be noon?" Duke of Orleans to the Dauphin and Constable of France every Sunday before the Texans play.
by Jonathan Fosburgh on Jan 9, 2012 3:12 PM CST up reply actions
Other than that, however, I agree with your observations
Not necessarily your conclusions though.
If Schaub has indeed been playing for a long time now with an undisclosed injury, then I would hope that that will be fine by next season.
It’s too early in TJ’s career to move him in as starter full-time (unless he totally outperforms Schaub in camp and pre-season. I still say this is Schaub’s team to lose.
He definitely seems to have the potential to be the QB of the future, but I doubt that future begins next year.
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"Will it never be noon?" Duke of Orleans to the Dauphin and Constable of France every Sunday before the Texans play.
by Jonathan Fosburgh on Jan 9, 2012 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
It has to be Schaub next year IMO
He simply knows the offense better and can make the reads/throws/decisions that TJ cannot at this point. That is something that could be rectified with another year in the system, but next year it needs to be Schaub. Did he make some maddening throws this year, yes he did but let’s not also forget that the offense was still averaging nearly 30 ppg without AJ. I seriously doubt TJ could pull that off yet.
"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce
Hold on now
Shaub has a weak arm
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Great call, Kubiak's experience is really showing right now
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Can we make a thread somewhere
for all the Kubes haters to go to and admit they are idiots? Please? Now that we won a playoff game what further arguments are they going to spew?
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
by nolander on Jan 9, 2012 12:44 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
lulz
Hey! I admitted about midway through the season I was wrong.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
yeah but a lot of people came out of hte woodworks after we lost the last 3 games of the season
well, where are they now? I’m sure they are waiting for the next texan’s loss so they can feebly shout I told you so
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Regulars around here?
Or Comicle commenters? I don’t remember seeing a lot of people calling for his head here.
"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce
Short answer? Yes.
There were a couple who could actually make valid arguments, but most were just spittle-flecked hate.
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Hmmm
Ok, I either missed that or just skipped over their stupidity.
"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce
they come out of the woodworks when we lose
but don’t comment when we are winning
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
OH, those.
Yeah, ’bout them. Except for the Indy game which was decided by HORRIBAD officiating and not by any coaching abilities, I knew the last two losses were just about Kubiak trying to keep as many first string players upright as possible for the playoffs. Give them a few series to keep from getting rusty, then yank ’em and let them rest and heal up.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
its obvious
Its obvious that yates will be the future and will study behind schaub and eventually replace him. But for the next 2 seasons if healthy shaub is our guy. Than when his contract is up tj becomes the starter with 3 years in the system and playoff expierience. Our qb situation is looking solid. For a long time
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F**K you're agenda
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by JLeeNino on Jan 9, 2012 12:54 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Schaub's contract is up at the end of the 2012-2013 season.
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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Jan 9, 2012 1:10 PM CST up reply actions
FIRE BOOBIAK!
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by bigfatdrunk on Jan 9, 2012 1:53 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
lulz
"The greatest danger in planning for tomorrow is using yesterdays logic."
Marc Kahlberg
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
I think we will learn that the Bo$$man was right
by Barryfromtexas on Jan 9, 2012 6:05 PM CST up reply actions
I love the Kubiak choice for unsung hero but seems like alot of people are forgetting about the ninja.
Antonio played some football on Saturday was pretty much unblockable. 1 sack and shoulda had Reeds to go alond with 3 tfl’s. He was a problem for the Bengals all day and seemed to elevate the whole Dline’s play.
by Dmo_Htx on Jan 9, 2012 2:03 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I agree
Antonio looked the the Antonio of the Cardinals Super Bowl run. He appeared to be unblockable all game long and was in Cincy’s backfield more than anyone else. That says alot on a team with as many excellent pass rushers as we have.
what i would like to know is
whom is not gonna be resigned/cut in the offseason. Leinart and Mario surely.
I see that we're going to be fighting alongside each other this coming off-season.
Awesome.
Capt. Nately: You're a shameful opportunist! What you don't understand is that it's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.
Old man in whorehouse: You have it backwards. It's better to live on your feet than to die on your knees. I know.
-Catch 22-
I don't even want to talk about this just yet
It’s my first ride in almost 20 years, and I want to enjoy it while I can. Emotions now; analysis later.
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by bigfatdrunk on Jan 9, 2012 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
first ride my ass.
(insert funny comment about BFD and jordann here)
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Gob: It's not like envy, or even hungry...
(insert comment about a panda suit here)
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by bigfatdrunk on Jan 9, 2012 5:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
(papabear inserts something here)
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by bigfatdrunk on Jan 9, 2012 5:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
(insert unnecessary Archer Quote here)
Capt. Nately: You're a shameful opportunist! What you don't understand is that it's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.
Old man in whorehouse: You have it backwards. It's better to live on your feet than to die on your knees. I know.
-Catch 22-
/obligatory laugh
"The greatest danger in planning for tomorrow is using yesterdays logic."
Marc Kahlberg
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
I think we will learn that the Bo$$man was right
by Barryfromtexas on Jan 9, 2012 6:17 PM CST up reply actions
(insert obligatory dig about Chris being a Mary Jane worshipper here)
Capt. Nately: You're a shameful opportunist! What you don't understand is that it's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.
Old man in whorehouse: You have it backwards. It's better to live on your feet than to die on your knees. I know.
-Catch 22-
Obviously Leinart is gone,
and as much as I love him, the Cap’n needs to go, too. Maybe that way we can keep Mario AND Foster?
Houston Texans: 1 Playoff Win.
Vince Young, Dunta Robinson, and Jason Babin: 0 Combined Playoff Wins.
It will be a low-vibe QB contest in camp, and teh Schaub will emerge as the starter.
But if he goes down again, WeeJay will have a real chance to be DA MAN.
Then, look out.
You know me, pooping in those cheerios
Kubiak did a great job, but calling a timeout as Marv Lewis was set to punt on fourth-and-short inside his own territory was … yikes.
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I believe it is all kind of a moot point
"The greatest danger in planning for tomorrow is using yesterdays logic."
Marc Kahlberg
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
I think we will learn that the Bo$$man was right
by Barryfromtexas on Jan 9, 2012 6:07 PM CST up reply actions
I am almost positive this is what happened.
And he knew he didn’t have the personnel out there to stop it. I think it was a great call.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
what happened was they weren't sure if they had eleven on the field.
They even showed the sidelines live. Gary and Vance weren’t sure along with Marciano if they had enough guys on the field. rather than give up a first down on something that dumb they decided to take the timeout.
Was that the one I saw Jones counting....
then look to the sideline?
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
It was a dumb decision. Absolutely.
but it wasn’t the dumbest decision? Can you imagine the fury if Cincy were actually running a fake punt and we see 10 men on the field for Houston?
He probably was a bit too conservative there with the timeout and is lucky it worked out with that defense, but I see what you’re saying.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Defense win Championships
I don’t understand why everyone is nervous about TJ taking us on a deep playoff run. Didn’t the Ravens win a ring with Trent Dilfer? And the Bucs won the SuperBowl with some junior varsity QB. If you can run the ball, move the chains, and control the clock; a good defense can control momentum and setup the offense. Like I said….. Defense win Championships, and the Texans have the best D still alive in the playoffs.
by HillwoodHustler on Jan 10, 2012 1:45 AM CST reply actions
great writeup and great selection with support for your selection!
Kubiak for being Kubiak.
We have all questioned Kubiak for being Kubiak. The difference is, then, the team was losing in monumentally profound ways and now, they are winning like they have never done before. A year ago at this time most of us were calling for his head. Today we are requesting a bust of his head. A year ago, the Colts were losing and handing another team an invitatation into the playoffs. This year the Texans are yawning while playing the Colts as they win and clinch the top spot in the draft.
Let’s all hail Kubiak!
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by Rip Jersey on Jan 10, 2012 10:30 AM CST via mobile reply actions
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