See You in Beantown or at Reliant: Texans 20 Ravens 19
Its always the safe play to not mess with the status quo. The status quo in NFL playoff football states that the postseason-experienced teams should automatically win their home games against visiting underdogs and big dance novices like Bob McNair's boys. Perhaps this explains why a perusal of early national previews and commentary on the upcoming Baltimore Ravens vs. Houston Texans clash generally offers up some initial propers to the Texans for rewarding a city and fan base starved of quality profession football with its first postseason victory in franchise history. Good for the Texans, better for Houston, now time to become the Ravens’ punching bag seems to be the average sentiment. The Texans are overwhelmingly being viewed as doomed by the stingy Ravens defense and tough running game.
The rookie-quarterback-fifth-rounder-going-on-the-road-card will inevitably be played, followed by heaping reminders of Houston’s previous two losses against the Ravens. One analyst pointed out that if Houston couldn’t win in Baltimore with Matt Schaub at the helm earlier this season, then not only are they facing a sure fire loss, but likely a humiliating one. Its being assumed that Ray Rice will trot along for well over 100 yards, while decent but unstarlike quarterback Joe Flacco will effortlessly toss in 300, and Ed Reed will have his way with T.J. Yates’ middle to deep range throws.
Surely I’m in the minority when I laugh at all of the above and, instead, state resoundingly that Houston will win their divisional playoff matchup in Baltimore, rain, snow or shine, rookie or cookie.
To begin, I think its tough for any NFL team to beat another three times in two years, especially a good team like Houston. Last year’s Monday Night matchup saw the Texans rally fiercely against the Ravens’ vaunted defense, shredding it in the second half until finally yielding in overtime. This season’s matchup came on the heels of losing Andre Johnson, who did no suit up. When losing a player of Johnson’s magnificence, any team, whether led by Schaub or Yates, needs a couple of games to recover. Nevertheless, Houston led 14-13 in the third quarter of that game and routinely marched into Ravens territory only to come up empty-handed all but twice.
Sure, the Ravens ended up winning that game at home 29-14, but the score is not indicative of not only how closer that game should’ve been, but it is anything but indicative of how the Texans and players like J.J. Watt, Brian Cushing and Connor Barwin have progressed into dominant forces since that game. And on the offensive side, its pointed out that Arian Foster only rushed for 49 yards, yet Foster was only a game removed from the DL for a bum hamstring and afterward owned up that he stunk.
But I wonder whether #80’s impact is truly being considered. Last week one Cincinnati beat writer claimed that A.J. Green would rather easily outshine a likely gimpy Johnson, which turned out to be a laughable prediction. Green was largely ineffective while Johnson, although a little rusty early on, ended up getting hot, pulling in a touchdown, undoubtedly helped open lanes for the backs, and left simply no doubt that he will be primed to make a major impact in Baltimore.
This is not to say that the Ravens have not improved since that early October game, but it can be stated clearly that Houston has improved immensely in several facets of their game. It also cannot be understated the importance of facing a tough opponent like Baltimore on the road coming off a resounding home playoff victory versus a three game regular season skid. Confidence is a good thing to bring into such a task, and the Texans will be bringing plenty of it.
Houston will come into this game with no pressure and a full tank of confidence. Baltimore has an acclaimed defense. Houston is right up there with them. Baltimore has a great rusher in Ray Rice. The Texans boast the league’s top one-two punch in the backfield in Foster and Ben Tate. The Ravens do not possess Tom Brady or Drew Brees on their roster, and the Texans surely don’t have Schaub. Clearly Flacco is a more proven, successful quarterback than Yates, but in looking at the numbers, its not the blowout one might imagine. Since Yates’ relative inexperience will again represent a focal topic and principal argument against the Texans’ chances of winning, here’s a look at some stats:
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Attempts |
Yards |
Yards/Catch |
Comp. % |
TD |
INT |
INT Rate |
|
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Flacco |
542 |
3610 |
6.7 |
56.2 |
20 |
12 |
2.2 |
|
Yates |
132 |
949 |
7.1 |
61.2 |
4 |
3 |
2 |
Yes, Flacco’s numbers are bigger, but he’s also played in over twice as many games, has thrown the football over four times as much as Yates, and Flacco didn’t have to use several games playing more conservatively in order to develop a feel for the pro game. Even considering Coach Gary Kubiak’s easy handling of Yates, if you match his attempts with Flacco’s, Yates throws for more yards. Now, if Yates were coming into this game with only a couple of dozen live game passes under his belt, I'd say the Texans were in big trouble. But he has 132 attempts, has made a few proverbial rookie mistakes, and now has 6.5 NFL games under his belt and has proved that he can handle big game pressure situations.
I’m not saying that Yates will light up the Baltimore secondary. On the contrary, Yates has the ability, demeanor and just enough experience to manage the game. He doesn’t need to throw for well over 200 yards as long as the Texans aren’t turning the ball over, Johnson and the backs are making some plays and the offensive line rises to the occasion. The Texans need to win the field position game and make their field goals, hoping for one or two scores from Johnson, Foster or someone else.
In light of the Andre Johnson factor, Houston’s very good offensive line led by steely tough Mike Brisiel, and just to make sure the point is driven home, having Foster and Tate, not to mention tight ends Owen Daniels, Joel Dreessen and, now, fullback/tight end James Casey, Yates has plenty of veterans to work with.
On the defensive end, I’m looking for the Texans to man up on those Ravens receivers and for the Houston pass rush to be a little more effective. Demeco Ryans was not near top form last time these two teams played, as he is now, and lined up next to Cushing, Rice will work much harder for those 100 yards again. In October the Texans held Baltimore to numerous field goal attempts, and I expect more of the same. In other words, I don’t see this being a high scoring match by any means.
The Texans face a monumental task in trying to beat Baltimore, but they have the right amount of talent, heart and hunger up and down their roster to win this battle on Sunday. And when you remove the pressure and expectations, I like for such intangibles to push Houston over the top.
Texans 20
Ravens 19
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Your offensive breakdown was really nice. I thought I would add some of the other side of the ball
The Balitmore game was also the first game Mario was sidelined. Brooks Reed, and Conner Barwin had just moved into their new spots and had not grown accustomed yet. With two players being out of postion, they were still able to sack Flacco 5 times, and countless pressures. Expect the same amount of pressure, and turnovers will come. When the Ravens have costly turnovers it is Flacco who coughs it up, in compared to Rice who is quite sure with the ball.
While getting Boldin back will a big relief for Flacco, he should not be 100% game ready, and I would not expect the same effort produced from earlier in the season, likely the Ravens will attempt to keep Houston in the Dime/Nickel packages to keep KJ, or the CB3 in the game. This opens up opportunities for the D-line to get their hands on balls, and perhaps another Tip Drill INT.
I expect the Texans new to this defense this year to contribute huge. Manning, Joseph, Watt, and Reed will need to have an impact to keep Ray Rice contained. With not only the running game ,but also the screens and flat passes where he can be dangerous as well.
But the Number one Key for the Defense to hold to this week, would be to limit any big plays. Keep the number of plays that go 20+ yards to a minimium and you will have a chance to pull the upset all Houston is Hoping for.
Texans 20 Ravens 13
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by WreckNTexan on Jan 9, 2012 5:25 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
well one of the ravens best guard ben grubbs was out the last time the ravens faced the texans
and since he has return the ravens o-line has played solid.
He will most definitely have an impact on the run game
But all the postions I named wil be edge players
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With not only the running game ,but also the screens and flat passes where he can be dangerous as well.
This is what scares me the most. What does Wade do to contain the check downs to Ray Rice? Does he have a LB dedicated to spying him? These 2 teams are very evenly matched. Anyone predicting a score with more than a 7 point difference is an idiot or drinking too much Kool-Aid. Winner of this game wins the AFC.
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It comes down to personal,
If they are in base, then having to dedicate the SS. In Multiple DB looks they might have to single up a lb on him. I am on board with the Texans owning the Ravens, I really dislike the AFC North Fans in general cocky self loathing fuckers they are
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Interesting, I thought it would be the othe way around. In base we have 7 in box to spare a LB to spy Rice. In Nickel (4-2-5) we bring SS up. Which LB do you think they use? Dedicate one (Cushing?) or just whichever LB is closest? I really believe this is the key to the game, that and TJ’s ability to throw downfield.
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Can't dedicated a spy
I think Cushing will be used most, but you will see Reed and Dobbins get some coverage responsibility. Meco is just super poor at coverage, the Ravens would be smart to attack him. I would feel more comfortable with quinn doing the spying, if it is a man up look in base. He has better coverage then the LB’s and is faster.
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Just waiting for someone to spell personnel correctly :)
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by Barryfromtexas on Jan 11, 2012 10:20 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
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Check downs
I see your point about the check downs to Rice. I think the key is not giving up the big plays and holding the Ravens to field goal attempts. If the Texans just depend on their defense, they’ll lose the game. Somebody like Andre Johnson or Arian Foster will have to break one or two for scores at some point. This is such a tough game to call. The easy pick is the Ravens, but I feel that some intangibles, like no pressure and the realization that this could be the last game, will boost the Texans. I get the feeling that this team isn’t satisfied with just winning one Wild Card game. On the other hand, I’m sure the Ravens are hungry for the Super Bowl.
When it comes down to it, all we’re really doing is guessing, but I do believe the Texans can keep it close and hopefully make one huge play late to steal this one.
Lots of blitzes will make the check down a big-play threat.
I think that’s one reason Wade on blitzed half as much against the Bengals.
and that's what I meant about the check downs
Obviously you aren’t going to eliminate them…unless Kareem is getting lots of minutes (sorry, couldn’t help myself). The point was about about how to keep the dump off to 2 or 3 yards versus Rice busting it for first downs or more. Perhaps I shouldn’t have said ‘key to the game’, but instead ‘big key to defensive success.’ I don’t think, on offense, that ‘Dre needs to “go off.” I think we see the Ravens roll Ed Reed over top of Johnson most of the time. It’s Jacoby/Walters in one on one coverage that I’ll be watching, that and TJ’s decision making. Also, I love the bootleg that sends Andre deep getting double covered while we work the TE back across the field. I see Johnson with a 6 reception 80 yard performance. Solid game with key catches that move the chains. Of course, on offense, this all assuming a solid run game which I believe we’ll have. Foster/Tate combine for 120 and a score.
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The point was about about how to keep the dump off to 2 or 3 yards versus Rice busting it for first downs or more.
Cover two and carefully selected blitzes.
Ironically, considering your first sentence, Kareem is one of our best weapons against Rice breaking big screen plays. Him and JJo are close fast are excellent tacklers in space.
Make Flacco put together long dives to beat us. Same game plan as Wade used against Cincy.
Him and JJo close fast and are excellent tacklers in space.
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No worries, I knew what you were saying. Kareem does excell as a tackling CB. I’ve been thinking if we got a CB this offseason (draft/FA/whatever) KJax would make an excellent nickel DB. I really think our 4-2-5 defense sets up nicely to limit Rice on the dump offs/screens. Depending on the offensive set Bal is in, we use a DB to cover Rice, or the 4th down lineman drops back if Rice leaves the backfield and we can overload a side bringing a LB. If we hold even in base defense, and make some plays in nickel sets, should be a very long day for Flacco and co.
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What do you think about the 5 LB set we used against the Ravens?
Too easy to get beat deep?
Good one
I got on the edge of seat for that one. If I remember correctly it was a 2-5-4. I’ve actually seen this formation in college quite a bit. It’s a quasi prevent D to guard against spread attacks and mobile quarterbacks. Think of it as a 3-4 but one of the DT/Es decided to stand up. I think the key to it is the LBs knowing their assignments. The LB has to see themselves as a DB with man coverage on a particular player. The LBs will cover TEs and/or RBs. I think this set can provide some versatility and we mighht be able to run some zone blitzes out of it. Biggest problems in that formation is Anquan getting behing LBs or getting beat on a draw play. The draw could really kill
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We’re heavy on the draw and recently very heavy on 2nd year TE Dennis Pitta.
Dickson is technically #1 on the depth chart but Pitta is a circus catch machine—though slightly less athletic—so we can’t really keep him off the field. Especially with our recent issues with dropped passes. Of late, we’ve lined up Pitta in the slot, in the backfield, and at the TE position. We’d like a matchup of either Pitta or Dickson on a LB.
Considering Flacco isn’t really a guy who looks for yards on a scramble but rather to extend a play, I wouldn’t think that 2-5-4 would be something you’d whip out against us, but what do I know. You watch more Wade Phillips than I do.
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I love the way y’all use the draw. I wish we did it more (read: at all). Pitta on one of our LBs doesn’t actually scare me. Dickson does. Baltimore, Green Bay, and New Orleans are at the forefront of using this new aged freak athlete TEs. It’s a match up nightmare. LBs arent athletic enough, DBs too small. I don’t see usiing the 2-5-4 much either, maybe 3 or 4 plays just to throw a wrinkle out. Might try it more if other defenses arent stopping the dump off to Rice though
I don't understand "t-sip" as an insult. I like drinking tea, and when is being classy a bad thing?
Great analysis, WreckNTexan
Thanks for adding to this! Man, you really provided some excellent insight and points to consider. I think that the defense will rise to the occasion and for some reason I just can’t jump on the Flacco wagon. I know that he has playoff experience and has pretty nice numbers, but I just have a hunch that the Texans will be able to get to him.
Expect the same amount of pressure, and turnovers will come.
You played us without LG Ben Grubbs, who has been crucial in pass protection. Since his return (and more importantly, since he stopped Andre Gurode from playing out of position at LG), pass protection has improved dramatically.
While getting Boldin back will a big relief for Flacco, he should not be 100% game ready, and I would not expect the same effort produced from earlier in the season…
Boldin was apparently almost able to fully practice shortly after our final regular season game, so he has been a full participant in practice for some time now. These are the advantages of a bye week (which Harbaugh has never lost after). Also, keep in mind that this is the same guy who had his jaw wired shut and came back that same season.
…likely the Ravens will attempt to keep Houston in the Dime/Nickel packages to keep KJ, or the CB3 in the game. This opens up opportunities for the D-line to get their hands on balls, and perhaps another Tip Drill INT.
We have been using a lot more of the 2 TE set of late (perhaps due to the absence of Boldin, but we may choose to stick with what has been working well) to get both of our talented young TEs involved. Honestly, as much as I hate Cam Cameron, I will say that he is pretty much impossible to predict coming out of a bye week. We could run 4-wide with the TEs in the slots or run playfakes out of a jumbo set for all I know. I just know he was at your wildcard game in person and has some ideas of what he wants to do.
But the Number one Key for the Defense to hold to this week, would be to limit any big plays. Keep the number of plays that go 20+ yards to a minimium and you will have a chance to pull the upset all Houston is Hoping for.
God bless Torrey Smith. Just watch that guy. He might do nothing, and he might do everything. All I know is that boy can make big plays, and we are guaranteed to take shots deep.
I picked on the Beatdown, Ravens 27-17.
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Just to illustrate the point that anything can happen on sunday
Flacco is 4-3 in the playoffs. In one of “his” wins he threw for something like 34 yards. He’s put up excellent stats in playoff games too, but he’s had a few genuine stinkers.
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by JBal on Jan 9, 2012 7:09 PM CST via Android app reply actions
Flacco has indeed had some really bad games.
That could be a big window for the Texans if it happens. Barring a Flacco meltdown, I think it will come down to which team runs better/stops the run better. I’m looking for a big game from Foster and an equally big game from the D-line and LB core to pull in a victory here. We’ll probably need both.
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Hate to say it, but my WAG is that Ravens have a 60% chance of winning this. I think the Ravens can keep our offense in check, and wear down the defense. In order to win, I think we need the long passing game to be on point. And I’m not sure Yates has the necessary accuracy.
If it is a slugfest, expect a lot of three and outs.
The good news is that if we win, I think either the Pats or Broncos are favorable matchups for us
thats more points
than most people are predicting for us.
I think we can keep that offense out of the end zone 3 times.
17-16 somebody. I’ll go with us.
TJ must throw 30 times for us to win.
a long one to Smith, a defensive TD and a 20 yd. run to Rice
Ravens live or die by turnovers and big plays in this game
Texans live and die by turnovers in this game too
it’s the very reason the rookie QB factor is our weakness in their house
mistake free on both sides and it will be a battle
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The Ravens dying, by default, meant the Texans winning. lol
I probably should have made that more clear.
Not 7 FGs
5 FGs 1 TD and a missed extra point. That was an awful game last night
I don't understand "t-sip" as an insult. I like drinking tea, and when is being classy a bad thing?
I have no idea who you are
I haven’t noticed you posting around here. I will say that a lot of people post fan posts mainly to try to get attention or pass themselves off as experts when they are not.
But you sir, deserve a million rec’s for this post. If this does not get promoted to the front page for your informed, reasonable and not over the top overview of this matchup I will be very surprised.
Well done. Rec’d and GO TEXANS!
I’m looking for the Texans to man up on those Ravens receivers
Who’s Joseph take? Boldin hurt him last game. But him on Smith this time?
I would put Joseph on Smith.
Kareem is great if he doesn’t have to go deep.
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I can not expect this in any context
Kareem is great
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I'll just take it as a bold statement. lol
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This game is all about turnovers
Don’t turn it over and we have a legitimate chance to win the game. Give the ball up and we will be playing catch up. It was the deciding factor against the Bengals, and it will be again in this game.
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I couldn’t agree more. The Texans don’t need to put on an offensive show to pull off the upset, which would be a tall task, no doubt. They need to protect the football and win the field position game, and Rackers needs to hit his tries.
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Regular Season Ranking in NFL (NFL.com):
Rushing Defense: Ravens #2, Texans #4
Passing Defense: Texans #3, Ravens #4
Scoring Allowed: Ravens #3, Texans #4
Yards Allowed: Texans #2, Ravens #3
Overall Defense: Texans #2, Ravens #3
Rushing Offense: Texans #2, Ravens #10
Passing Offense: Texans #18, Ravens #19
Overall Offense: Texans #13, #15
Key Statistics (NFL.com):

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by MeMongo on Jan 10, 2012 3:07 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
Thanks!
Props to you, MeMongo, for posting those stats. Man, remember back when David Carr was quarterback and opponents had 33 sacks before October? lol
Funny you should mention that
Here are the total sacks allowed by year for the Texans:
Expansion Draft….Tony Boselli = No Show
1st Round Draft 2002……David Carr = Dead Man Walking
2002 76
2003 36
2004 49
2005 68
2006 43 (Eric Winston, Mike Brisiel arrive)
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272 total / 5 seasons = 54.4 per season avg
Enter Matt Schaub
2007 22
2008 32 (Duane Brown, Chris Myers arrive)
2009 25
2010 32 (Wade Smith arrives)
2011 33
144 total / 5 seasons = 28.8 per season avg
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I’m not saying that Yates will light up the Baltimore secondary.
This seems like the prevailing opinion. I don’t think there’s any evidence that backs this up. He doesn’t throw a lot, by design. If we need a win, he does, and he does it well. See the Falcons, @Cincy, and last Saturday.
How many times did he throw against Indy? Because of the stripsack on the first dropback, the non-importance of the game, and the fact that we needed to keep him upright. He was 4-4 on his only drive in week 17. So I’m confused as to where the evidence is that says he can’t throw a lot and throw us to a win.
But I think we need to prepare for the off chance that everyone is right. What happens if we can’t run the ball in the first half, and are down two scores. I think TJ can pass the ball effectively in this situation. I wouldn’t like our chances down two TDs at the half, but I wouldn’t count us out if we have to pass just because TJ has not been asked to pass the ball a lot so far.
TJ must throw 30 times for us to win.
well according to the experts over at BBD
TJ being a rookie vs their ALL WORLD WTF-BBQ defense in their house is the sure fire death knell for the Texans in this game, and we may as well not even have the team board the plane and take the field.
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by Foster Child on Jan 10, 2012 8:39 PM CST up reply actions
I don't believe TJ is NOT capable...
of lighting up a secondary. However, not sure the playoffs + Baltimore defense is the time or place to find out. He hasn’t done it yet, but neither has he been asked to. I woud prefer to leave it in the hands of the vets.
It would be pretty fucking awesome if TJ did go all Aaron Rodgers Matt Flynn though. :)
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whatever it takes to win
ovbiously I’d prefer we run the ball a lot, cuz it probably means its working, or we’re winning, or both. But I think TJ is largely unproven in the pass first, with the small sample set saying he could be successful.
TJ must throw 30 times for us to win.
Here we go.
First of all I’d like to state that this piece is very well written. I enjoyed it, though I did not agree with it. Channeling my inner Jules Winfield, “Well, allow me to retort. What does Marcellus Wallace look like?”
The rookie-quarterback-fifth-rounder-going-on-the-road-card will inevitably be played…
And rightfully so. Name me one rookie quarterback who has won in Baltimore this decade.
…followed by heaping reminders of Houston’s previous two losses against the Ravens.
I’d disregard last season since we both had very different teams at that time. But the week 6 loss is a little more relevant here.
Its being assumed that Ray Rice will trot along for well over 100 yards, while decent but unstarlike quarterback Joe Flacco will effortlessly toss in 300, and Ed Reed will have his way with T.J. Yates’ middle to deep range throws.
Rice? He did run for 101 yards in the previous matchup. I’m not going to say “well over” 100 yards, but he will get his yards by either reception or handoff. The man had over 2000 yards from scrimmage this season, and he did it against pretty stiff competition. To a certain degree, you can attempt to limit Rice, but a certain amount of production is inevitable.
Flacco? Not a world-beater, but again, he did throw for 305 yards last time. I’ve heard a lot of “week 6 doesn’t matter anymore” from Texans fans, but unfortunately it does. We thought the regular season didn’t matter against the Steelers in 2008 too. It’s natural. And Flacco does considerably better against 34 defenses, probably due in large part to his familiarity with the Steelers.
Reed? Meh. He has clearly been nursing injuries this season and hasn’t been as much of a threat as in years past. CB Lardarius Webb notched 5 INTs and hasn’t allowed a TD all season. He’s our best ball hawk at the moment, and he’ll draw Dre (with a safety above him of course). It isn’t as much about us shutting down Dre as it is us shutting down Yates, who faces a defense that averages over 4 sacks per game at home (33 at home on the season).
To begin, I think its tough for any NFL team to beat another three times in two years, especially a good team like Houston.
Again, we said the same thing about the Steelers. They three-peated us in 2008, and we were pretty damn good that year. The whole “rookie QB versus elite defense” thing came into play big time.
Last year’s Monday Night matchup saw the Texans rally fiercely against the Ravens’ vaunted defense, shredding it in the second half until finally yielding in overtime.
That was a Ravens defense incredibly thin at corner and with an utter lack for a pass rush, let alone a pass rush that met Ravens’ standards. Moreover, Schaub pulled that comeback, not Yates.
As per week 6 of 2011:
Houston led 14-13 in the third quarter of that game and routinely marched into Ravens territory only to come up empty-handed all but twice.
I hope you’re not expecting to recover another fumble in the end zone. Also, it bears mentioning that we too routinely marched into your territory (as evidenced by Flacco’s 305 yards and Rice’s 101 yards) for 5 Billy Cundiff field goals. You held us to field goals, we held you without scoring. Yes, you were missing Dre and now you have him back. Throw in a Dre TD in that game and you still lose 29-21.
Sure, the Ravens ended up winning that game at home 29-14, but the score is not indicative of not only how closer that game should’ve been…
…again, you recovered your own fumble in the end zone. I’m going to go ahead and say the score was closer than it should have been. But let’s agree to disagree and just accept the fact that the final score was 29-14. A lot of losses have been said to have been closer than they appeared, but they remain losses.
Clearly Flacco is a more proven, successful quarterback than Yates, but in looking at the numbers, its not the blowout one might imagine. Since Yates’ relative inexperience will again represent a focal topic and principal argument against the Texans’ chances of winning, here’s a look at some stats:
I won’t blockquote the spread sheet, but I will point out that you gave Yates 4 TD when according to ESPN.com he only has 3. So his TD-INT ratio is 1:1 (not good).
Now, if Yates were coming into this game with only a couple of dozen live game passes under his belt, I’d say the Texans were in big trouble. But he has 132 attempts, has made a few proverbial rookie mistakes, and now has 6.5 NFL games under his belt and has proved that he can handle big game pressure situations.
I think this is a real stretch. If Yates had more games under his belt, even if they were bad games, I’d say that can only help the guy. 6.5 games is absolutely nothing in this league. As for pressure situations, he handled himself well at home against a team that hadn’t beaten any good teams all year long, and at no point was he asked to march the Texans down the field and be the difference maker. At some point on Sunday, I believe he will be required to do that and the odds of him accomplishing it are just not good.
…Yates has plenty of veterans to work with.
I’ll save quoting the whole paragraph but yes, I will grant you that Yates has found himself in a very QB-friendly situation. I respect your O-Line and your offensive skill players quite a bit, and I’m not taking it for granted that we hold Foster to 49 yards like we did last time.
But what I see as the deciding factor in a game where running games and defenses are of comparable productivity is QB play. A rookie in his first ever playoff road game against a team undefeated at home, averaging over 4 sacks per game at home, where their QB plays considerably better at home, and in a stadium that is the loudest on the eastern seaboard and one of the most hostile environments in the NFL… these factors are too much.
For the parts of the piece I did not respond to, take that to mean that I concede the point. Sorry for the long-windedness. Come on over to Baltimore Beatdown when you get a chance.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
Cough.
I’m sorry. Did you say something?
"You mean, besides two chicks at the same time?"
by Ezekiel 25 17 on Jan 10, 2012 5:45 PM CST up reply actions
Great avatar
funny you should be the one to respond after my Pulp Fiction reference.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
well I guess that sums it all up, no reason to even take the field
Here’s the shorter version of the wall of fisking from jackmca:
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"Never Never Never Give Up!" Winston Churchill
not at all
can a guy retort without you thinking he’s disrespecting your team?
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
I appreciate the work you took in going through point by point
but there is a strong dismissive attitude from BBD fans like the Texans are lucky to even be an NFL team, much less be ranked above or near the Ravens in nearly every category this season.
in several of the threads between BBD and BRB, I have posted the raw measurements comparing both teams. I have even stated that the Ravens are the team in the AFC to beat this year since about mid-season. I have conceded the point that the Ravens should win this game given home field advantage and the Texans having a rookie QB. Yet we keep seeing this undertone of dismissal about this being a battle or close game. According to BBD folks, this will be a home field blow out.
I sure hope the Ravens coaches and players are looking past the Texans in this way and doing film reviews of NE instead. I really do.
"Never Never Never Give Up!" Winston Churchill
by MeMongo on Jan 10, 2012 6:12 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Cam Cameron attended the Texans-Bengals wildcard game in person.
So I’d say they were looking past Pittsburgh (largely due to the fact that we’re already incredibly familiar with them) and deciding to familiarize themselves with your style of play instead.
We take you very seriously.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
I saw that he was here, and that does speak volumes about preparation
I’d like to find common ground with you guys. You have two players I really like and miss in Pollard and Leach. It makes a great show on the local sports radio when Pollard calls in (which is just about every week). I also love that whole waterfront and aquarium across from your stadium. I used to travel there quite a bit for work and consider it a great venue.
After nine seasons of being the laughing stock of the league, it just gets old being dismissed in a season when despite injuries to key talent, the team continues to play at a high level.
"Never Never Never Give Up!" Winston Churchill
Re: Yates
One thing that’s gone largely unmentioned here is Kubiak. The fact that Yates is still a largely unproven commodity is itself a testament to Gary Kubiak putting him in the best position to succeed. Yates has proven himself capable of playing mistake free, and coming through with pressure on. The Ravens will be the most difficult defense he has faced by a comfortable margin, he will be asked to play better than he ever has, and the reality is that nobody really knows how well he’ll respond. However, I certainly expect Kubiak will continue to give him the best chance to succeed.
The entire Texans team is in the same boat though. We all know stats don’t win games: if they did, the Steelers would be playing this weekend. This Texans team has overcome a lot of tough challenges this year, and if they make the plays when it counts, they can win. Likewise, the Ravens haven’t enjoyed their recent years of success by looking past teams. no one will deny that they have several advantages in this game: home field, and more playoff experience being the biggest. Again, the Texans will have to play their best to win. Just like every Sunday.
by JBal on Jan 10, 2012 6:25 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
TJ has a history of playing big in big games.
Atlanta this year, Cincy twice, and against LSU in college.
TJ threw for 404 yards, 3 TDs (two in the 4th quarter) and 0 Ints against LSU in that game
They lost that game because Patrick Peterson went nuts on kick returns:
Patrick Peterson had 244 combined return yards in the first half to set the LSU record for a game and added a 13-yard punt return in the third quarter. The 257 yards were the second most ever for a game in the SEC
I’m not entirely sold on TJ, but he is surrounded by more QB talent than any roookie has had in the past:
The Texans have eight coaches who have participated in Super Bowls, with 10 rings and 20 appearances among them. Kubiak won three Super Bowls as a coach — one as quarterbacks coach in San Francisco in 1994 and two as offensive coordinator in Denver in 1997-98. 14 of 16 coaches have coached or played in 175 postseason games.
Gary Kubiak (HC) – 20 Playoff games, 3 Superbowls (Matt Schaub, John Elway, Steve Young)
Greg Knapp (QB Coach) – 6 Playoff games, 26 years coaching (Matt Schaub ATL&HOU, Michael Vick, Jeff Garcia, Steve Young)
Matt Schaub – 1 Pro Bowl (1 Pro Bowl MVP)
Matt Leinart (stop laughing, it counts….no really it does…ok but hot tubs after practice and games am i right?)
Jeff Garcia – 6 NFL playoff games, 4 Pro Bowls
Jake Delhomme – 8 NFL playoff games, 1 Superbowl (1 SB record: 85 yard TD pass), 1 Pro Bowl
"Never Never Never Give Up!" Winston Churchill
@MeMongo:
I just found an example of the dismissiveness you were talking about, in an analysis of Flacco on BBD. I don’t think it’s the prevailing attitude there though, and more importantly, why take it so personally? If the Texans win Sunday they will have earned all the respect they need, and if the Ravens win, I trust that the Texans will have made them earn it.
by JBal on Jan 10, 2012 6:44 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
thanks bro
I think for the most part we try to be good hosts and write objective analyses.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
Here I go
And rightfully so. Name me one rookie quarterback who has won in Baltimore this decade.
The only home playoff games you’ve had since 2000 was 2003 vs.Tenessee and 2006 vs. Indy. If you want to use regular season too, Carson Palmer beat y’all in 2004, it was his first season to throw a pass in the NFL. But if you meant this decade as in 2010 til now, then ya, you’ve beat Colt McCoy, good job handling the Browns. And here’s a fun fact: The last time Delhomme played as a back up in Baltimore he replaced Aaron Brooks and went 7 – 8 for 103 yds. It was 2002 you lost 37 – 25, and the Texans beat Pittsburgh that day 24 – 3. Not really here nor there, but quasi amusing.
But the week 6 loss is a little more relevant here.
I believe a week 7 loss by y’all is also relevant. Week 2 is less relevant, but still embarrassing. I digress
I hope you’re not expecting to recover another fumble in the end zone. Also, it bears mentioning that we too routinely marched into your territory (as evidenced by Flacco’s 305 yards and Rice’s 101 yards) for 5 Billy Cundiff field goals. You held us to field goals, we held you without scoring. Yes, you were missing Dre and now you have him back. Throw in a Dre TD in that game and you still lose 29-21.
I hope your team is still willing to cough the ball up. We can’t just start ignoring mistakes. I’m amused you think Dre is only worth a touchdown and no yards. He obviously can’t help get us into field goal range. You also don’t believe your Def holds Foster to 49 yards. Those excess yards will also contribute to scoring positions.
I don't understand "t-sip" as an insult. I like drinking tea, and when is being classy a bad thing?
Just for a clarification; I think that’s the game where Tate fumbled at the goal line and then Briesel recovered for us.
yes.
that’s what I was talking about. you recovered your own fumble in the end zone for a touchdown.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
It still put points on the board.
And several times this season I have seen plays where our players just WILL NOT give up on plays….the recovered Foster non-fumble (and yes it is a non-fumble because the league offices even admitted it should have never been called a fumble), the “reception” by Walters (I think) after two bounces off of players, the “reception” by Jacoby Jones after two bounces off of players, the interception by Cushing after JJo (again, I think) knocked the ball loose….what I’m getting at is these kinds of plays are as much about luck as they are about players playing to the whistle and keeping their eye out for the ball.
So please, continue to discount those type plays….they can turn the tide of a football game just as much as JJ Watt’s pick six.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
It still put points on the board.
Indeed it does, but it doesn’t happen often is my point. I can confidently state that any touchdowns you score sunday will result in a ball carrier crossing the plane, or a pass being caught inside the endzone. That bonkers shit happens less than once a season for a team.
And several times this season I have seen plays where our players just WILL NOT give up on plays…
I mean those are all great plays you mentioned, but the Texans don’t have a monopoly on determination or hunger. And believe me, when we force a fumble in the redzone, there is no question that we are playing to the whistle to get it and gouging the eyes of any Texan at the bottom of that pile. The ball just bounced your way that time, fair enough.
All I’m saying is I wouldn’t expect that to happen again.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
The Texans won't rely on an OL recovering a fumble in the endzone
If Tate hadn’t fumbled 1 yard short of crossing the goal line, he would have scored himself as he had broken through the line.
You can see it here: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d8233263e/GameDay-Texans-vs-Ravens-highlights
20 seconds into the video, 2nd QTR 4:58
Week 19 Texans > Week 6 Texans….and I can’t wait to see the look on some Ravens faces when that reality hits home!
One never "expects" it to happen,
but there are coaches that coach every possible scenario. And the fact that this year our players have made these type plays where in the past they haven’t makes me wonder if our coaching approach hasn’t changed a little. Just sayin’.
And this is exactly the arrogance that has gotten under several Texans fans skin,
I can confidently state that any touchdowns you score sunday will result in a ball carrier crossing the plane, or a pass being caught inside the endzone. That bonkers shit happens less than once a season for a team.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
Fuggin mouse.
I can confidently state that any touchdowns you score sunday will result in a ball carrier crossing the plane, or a pass being caught inside the endzone. That bonkers shit happens less than once a season for a team.
Ummm, all those I just mentioned were THIS season…..so by my rudimentary math, that equals 3. So care to revisit the last part of that quote?
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
OH.
AND the one that happened in the week six game. Last time I checked 3 + 1 = 4. SO, care to rethink this,
That bonkers shit happens less than once a season for a team.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
you've recovered three offensive fumbles in the endzone for touchdowns this season?
I was not aware and stand corrected. I’m sure, on average, that happens much less than once a season for a team.
Bro, if you consider that “arrogance,” you’re a very sensitive, delicate flower. Apparently I can’t make light of anything that would lead one to believe the Ravens will win without someone calling me arrogant. Just enjoy the playoffs man, once you get used to being here a few times you won’t act this way anymore.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
This...
once you get used to being here a few times you won’t act this way anymore.
can also be considered arrogance.
I've got nothin'...
It’s funny how neither 49ers fans, nor Bengals fans, nor Steelers fans felt that way in our discussions prior to those games.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
But that's like saying...
We’ve been here quite a bit and you haven’t. We’re more refined than you are because of our experience.
Doesn’t that just come across as a little bit douchetarded?
I've got nothin'...
The reason I bring up the fact that we’ve been here and you haven’t is because you guys get all butthurt any time we give reason why we expect to win, while the fans of those other teams just debated the point without taking any offense to it.
In all seriousness, I expect the Texans to become regulars in the playoffs and compete for rings if they can stay healthy and continue to draft wisely. I’m pretty sure that if you continue on your current upward track you won’t be as sensitive to this stuff anymore. I feel like I’m supposed to walk on eggshells for you guys any time I try to explain why I expect the Ravens to win.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
Truth be told, it's not just from you guys.
It’s the media surrounding the game as well. Most of the articles on websites that I’ve read have said things like “Ravens expect the Super Bowl” and things like that. We don’t mind people thinking they’ll win. Shit, that’s what we do here sometimes(not all the time). It’s the attitude… not the message. Presentation is everything. You qualify the Texans while riding a high-horse with an aire of “We’re better than you”. We don’t expect eggshells. We expect respect, like I’m sure you guys expect that as well.
I've got nothin'...
Most of the articles on websites that I’ve read have said things like "Ravens expect the Super Bowl" and things like that.
We absolutely do. There’s nothing wrong with that.
Honestly you could come over to the BB all day and say “the ravens are overrated” and it wouldn’t be received with the sheer outrage that my comments have brought out over here. You’d probably just get laughed off the comments section.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
Breaking News!
to the arrogant uninformed pompous teenagers posting as Ravens fans:
Houston fans have experienced NFL playoffs before. Just because the new franchise called the Texans are here for the first time does not mean the entire city just got plopped down into Texas from deep space and all the inhabitants started converting oxygen to carbon dioxide over the last ten years.
Additionally, not everyone who lives in Houston and/or is a Texan fan is from Houston, again a city that has been here longer than the Texans franchise. SOME of us grew up somewhere else and pulled for other NFL teams that have playoff and Superbowl success.
For instance, I grew up a Bronco fan and still pull for them as my second favorite team. I adopted the Texans as my primary team after marrying a Houston woman, who insists we are never leaving Texas, who is still pissed at Bud Adams and also insisted that we jump on board with our new hometown NFL team. And we did.
Not everyone on Internet blogs is aged 14-24 and has only started following the NFL over the last 5 to 10 years.
Week 19 Texans > Week 6 Texans….and I can’t wait to see the look on some Ravens faces when that reality hits home!
Been following the NFL since the Jim Kelly days, before the Ravens bud.
Next time before I post on here I’ll make sure I have the statistics on what percentage of Houston area residents are transplants. Cause, I mean, everybody knows that shit right?
Cool post though. Really didn’t have much to do with my point about you guys not taking shit so personally once you get used to being in the playoffs, but at least you blew off some steam.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
Let me clarify it then since it wizzed over your head...
Really didn’t have much to do with my point about you guys not taking shit so personally once you get used to being in the playoffs
My point is that as fans (some from the days of the Oilers and some from other NFL teams), we ARE used to being in the playoffs. It’s actually part of the frustration Houston fans have had while waiting for the Texans to finally get their shit together and get up to speed with fan expectations.
Week 19 Texans > Week 6 Texans….and I can’t wait to see the look on some Ravens faces when that reality hits home!
The Texans have made 4....
what you call “fluke” plays that only happen once a season or less. That’s all I’m sayin’.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
sorry
mis understood what jack was getting at
I don't understand "t-sip" as an insult. I like drinking tea, and when is being classy a bad thing?
Sorry it was Wade Smith not Briesel.
Just saying, because it was a weird fluky play and not really a turnover for either side.
If you want to use regular season too, Carson Palmer beat y’all in 2004, it was his first season to throw a pass in the NFL.
Another way of saying that would be, “no rookie QB has won in M&T Bank stadium since 2004.”
And here’s a fun fact: The last time Delhomme played as a back up in Baltimore he replaced Aaron Brooks and went 7 – 8 for 103 yds. It was 2002 you lost 37 – 25, and the Texans beat Pittsburgh that day 24 – 3. Not really here nor there, but quasi amusing.
I’m definitely impressed that you could produce that kind of information. Interesting indeed. I COMPLETELY forgot that Delhomme was ever a part of our QB carousel, but then again, that just goes to show how many QBs there were.
I believe a week 7 loss by y’all is also relevant. Week 2 is less relevant, but still embarrassing. I digress
All are relevant, and all are away games. I’m not saying they didn’t happen, but I think it goes without saying that those games aren’t representative of the style of play we bring to a playoff game. Just like I’m guessing your style of play will be above and beyond what it was in your losses to Oakland and—gulp—INDY. Mulligans all around.
I hope your team is still willing to cough the ball up. We can’t just start ignoring mistakes.
Not at all. You actually won the turnover battle last time and still lost.
I’m amused you think Dre is only worth a touchdown and no yards. He obviously can’t help get us into field goal range. You also don’t believe your Def holds Foster to 49 yards. Those excess yards will also contribute to scoring positions.
All of this may be true. You may have been in a situation to win in week 6 if you had been with Dre. You may get solid production out of Dre and Foster this week. But I’ll say it until I’m blue in the face: Yates won’t be able to win you the game, and at some point, he will need to.
I really hope I’m not jinxing my guys here but that’s how I see it playing out. Home game, rookie QB, bye week… it all points to a Ravens win. But I do expect a game from you guys.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
OK, Palmer wasnt’t a rookie, but then you have to concede the Texans have never lost in the playoffs. same thing. Delhomme/Brooks played for the Saints, the game was at Baltimore. Sorry, I’m not exactly a wordsmith. I’m not so sure Yates won’t be able to win the game. THAT is just pure guessing, on both of our parts. He hasn’t had the chance to succeed or fail at that.
I made the prediction somewhere:
19 – 17 Texans
winner of this game wins the AFC
I don't understand "t-sip" as an insult. I like drinking tea, and when is being classy a bad thing?
OK, Palmer wasnt’t a rookie, but then you have to concede the Texans have never lost in the playoffs. same thing.
LOL no not exactly. Not at all really. A proven track record of murdering rookie QBs at home is entirely different from having an utter lack of a track record.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
A proven track record of murdering rookie QBs at home
Under Harbaugh, the only rookie QB you’ve played at home was Andy Dalton. Y’all won 31 – 24. I wouldn’t consider that a “proven track record” nor a “murdering of a rookie.”
I don't understand "t-sip" as an insult. I like drinking tea, and when is being classy a bad thing?
I've produced at least a dozen posts at BRB and BBD backed up with facts, stats, figures, etc
You just can’t argue with a Ravens fan who wants to cling to generalizations and hyperbole in support of their team.
Will it be a damn hard task for the Texans to win? Oh hell yes.
Is it impossible? Are the Texans just a laughing stock inferior team about to get blown into Baltimore Harbor? Umm, not a chance.
Week 19 Texans > Week 6 Texans….and I can’t wait to see the look on some Ravens faces when that reality hits home!
I enjoyed seeing you post those, MeMongo.
Unfortunately, fans and media seem to tout little storyline things from the past that have zero bearing on the the game at hand. Being 0-5 against the Ravens has no bearing on this game. Rookie QBs not winning against the Ravens have no bearing on this game.
People don’t want to talk about key matchups. They just want silly little anecdotes. I guess that comes with pure homerism.
We have a legitimate shot at beating them this week. It wont be easy for us but it won’t be easy for them, either.
by WhiskeyR on Jan 11, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
See that nail?
You just hit it on the head with the palm of your head. Nice. AAANNNND REC!
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What matchups do we win?
I like our receivers deep vs. Pollard, Reed and Smith. Other than that, I think they win all the matchups.
Obviously, AJ is an amazing player. I don’t think he looked great last week (by his standards) but he got his TD with that double move on Pacman. But he’s not going to draw Smith (at least I hope not) and the over-the-top help will almost certainly be Reed. Never Pollard.
He’s going to draw Lardarius Webb, who a lot of people felt should have been a pro-bowler (5 INTs, no TDs allowed). Webb gives AJ about 5 inches (he’s 5-10) but he can jump. It’s certainly a tough matchup but I think you gotta put your best corner on the opponent’s best pass catcher, and that’s Webb. I think that regardless of Jimmy Smith’s height advantages (he got TORCHED in San Diego, while Webb was absent).
What really worries me, and why I hope the bye week was good for him, is Ed Reed’s issues with tackling recently. AJ isn’t exactly a small dude, and Ed Reed has been dealing with a nerve impingement in his neck that almost caused him to retire. Last season he led the NFL in INTs despite that issue, but this season it has clearly bothered him a lot more.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
Rookie QBs not winning against the Ravens have no bearing on this game.
So it’s a total coincidence that no rookie QB has ever taken his team to a Superbowl? QBs get better with experience, and rookies don’t have much of that. It’s not a slight against Yates. Rookies are rookies.
People don’t want to talk about key matchups. They just want silly little anecdotes. I guess that comes with pure homerism.
I’m glad to talk key matchups. Its you guys I’ve been hearing all the “there just something special about this team” crap from. There something special about Tebow too, but he’s not gonna win the Super Bowl. And like Yates, he MIGHT win this weekend—but I doubt it.
All I’ve done is come on here and speak rationally about why I expect us to win and you call me a homer. We’re undefeated at home, your QB is a rookie, you’re 3-3 without Schaub (call it 4-3 counting the Bengals), we had 33 sacks in 8 home games, and I expect to win, but apparently that makes me a homer.
Saying “trends don’t matter and rookie QB’s track records don’t matter against the Ravens just trust us we’re pretty good;” does that make you a homer? I guess not.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
you do realize the three losses you reference are....
games after the Texans secured the division title and #3 seed
Kubiak went ultraconservative to keep the trend of injuries from claiming another starter (sand bagging for playoffs)
a final game in which the starters all rested and the Texans 2’s and 3’s still only lost by 1 point in a meaningless game
It’s not like Kubiak put on his best game plan and pushed Yates to go win those last three. Sure it’s a record, but there’s more than just the numbers to consider there.
Week 19 Texans > Week 6 Texans….and I can’t wait to see the look on some Ravens faces when that reality hits home!
oh and Yates only played ONE series in the last game, so that one is not on him
it’s on Delhomme if anyone
Week 19 Texans > Week 6 Texans….and I can’t wait to see the look on some Ravens faces when that reality hits home!
I got u on the last loss to Tenn, but you only stopped trying because the #2 seed was out of reach. When you, Baltimore, and New England were all 10-3, you were still putting the pedal to the metal trying to keep pace and be seeded as high as possible.
You’re acting like the Division was all Kubiak wanted, and I just don’t buy that. Everyone wants that bye week, that’s why Pittsburgh played out the season hard in case we had stumbled against Cincy.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
Kubiak let up in Indy because he wanted Yates to stay upright.
He’s on record as saying that.
Carolina and Indy both were played without Wade Phillips.
I really can't dispute most of that, but none of it really matters on Sunday.
We are the only team in the league that has a shot at beating you on Sunday. That’s more than we’ve ever had and we’ll make the most of it. Like the Broncos showed last Sunday, if you can get 2-3 big plays, a turnover or two and play good defense you can beat anyone.
I actually like being the underdog, it’s a win-win situation. Last week I was a nervous wreck because I knew we were the better team.
i can dig it
best of luck
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
For the sake of argument, like it wrote over at BBD, I think we have two of the best playcallers in the NFL.
Kubiak and Wade are also two of the best at making in-game adjustments.
Harbaugh will have his team’s minds right, but I don’t know if Cam and your first-year DC can keep up with the three vets (Kubiak 6 SBs, Dennison 5 SBs and Wade 27 playoff games) we have.
It’s an advantage no one’s talking about.
Cam Cameron has called some pretty abysmal games this year too. Utter failure to make any adjustment whatsoever in the Jacksonville and Seattle games. Why Joe Flacco would throw the ball over 50 times against Seattle when we were never really that far behind is totally beyond me.
But he usually uses bye weeks very well.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
I'll give them a pass on this since Ray Lewis could probably correct any mistakes Pagano sends in
and direct the defense better
"Never Never Never Give Up!" Winston Churchill
not at all
that thought had literally never crossed my mind. A good coordinator is a good coordinator.
Pagano is the best DC we’ve had since Mike Nolan. Rex could obviously cook up some interesting blitz packages, but he always got soft at the end of games and let teams back into it.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
This is from a Raven fan, after the Chargers loss.
I give credit where credit is due. Chuck aggressive style has benefited the Ravens this year but as a coordinator you have to adjust when needed.
Chuck did not put his players in the best position to win last night. It was obivous after the first few positons that the Chargers game plan was to expose our young Cb’s and attact the middle of the field against our ILB’s. He failed to make the adjustments. The Chargers knew we would stop the run and the would have a better chance of moving the ball thru the air. We needed a Greg Mattison type of game plan last night not a rex ryan game plan. Meaning we have to drop back more in coverage instead of sending that extra man into a blitz. Here are some key points i pick up on last night:
* Ray Lewis should never be in on a passing down or situation in zone or man coverage against a RB when the opposing team is on their side of the 50 yard line. There is too much yardage to be given up if ray gets beat by a RB out the backfield or gets beat by a long pass down the middle of the field. We have to put Ellebre or Mclain or somebody who has more speed in that situation so they can stop the YAC or be able to keep up with the receiver.
*Bump and Run Coverage This should have been preach to the CB’s all week. Especially when you knew these guys was going to be left on an island with Jackson and Flyod. We had to play physical with the Chargers WR’s to get them off their timing routes and disrupt their routes. I dont know if it was because of the inexperience from our CB’s or what, but Smith and Williams should have use they big bodies to their advatange last night.
*Dail back the blitz; drop more in the secondary How many times did the Ravens blitz and the Chargers pick it up. I dont think we had a successful blitz all game. We should have seen more cover two from the defense to help out our CB’s who was getting killed deep all game. If Pollard is a liablity in coverage than Zbikowski should have gotten more clock. The zone blitzing and ed reed over top game plan did not fit what the Chargers was doing offensively.
We shut down the run for the most part but i feel like Mcphee should have played a lot more than what he did. We needed to bring pressure with only 4 down linemen last night. we had suggs as a threat but we needed another person. Chuck is still fairly new to this game planning and play calling so he still has room to grow.
If kubiak and Wade have not read this...
Might I suggest you print out a couple of copies and run it by them? Thx :D
I've got nothin'...
Kubiak and Dennison are all over that shit.
What surprises me about Pagano is his lack of experience at the NFL level.
Encouraging
Willieboyd, that is an encouraging commentary. I’d love to see Ray Lewis getting beat by our RBs! And I’d love for Andre to get over on those young DBs!
Not much I can say
we got flat out beat.
But you’re talking about a Texans team that—by your own admission—plays a similar style of ball to the Ravens. Not really anything like the Chargers. And TJ Yates is not Phillip Rivers.
As for Lewis on passing downs, there are a lot of people who feel that he should step aside. But judging by how we’ve contained TEs to this point, I’d say we’re doing just fine, and Ray isn’t coming out if he doesn’t want to.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
That's just for the sake of argument.
We’re not the Chargers, but we may be able to exploit some of those same holes.
oh I'm sure Kubiak loves that game tape.
and AJ is obviously a matchup nightmare for any defense. We plan to play to our strengths, which is rushing the passer.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
I'm watching the week 6 game...
and the biggest surprises in the first half are your lack of pass rush and our great pass rush.
Your two sacks were the only pressure. The first was a missed assignment by Vickers (it was his first start) and a coverage sack where Schaub just laid down for about a 2 yard loss.
Does Bryant McKinnie always look so bad against the outside rush?
We sacked Schaub 4 times that game, and I’d be fine with sacking Yates 4 times again.
As for your pass rush, that was game 6 without Ben Grubbs, our LG, who is crucial to our protection. We allowed 15 sacks without Grubbs, which is half of the sacks we allowed all season in 6 games.
As for McKinnie, he’s looked a lot better since Grubbs came back. But he’s not a world-beater. I’m sure you’ll get your pressure Sunday, just probably not as much as in that first matchup what with all of our guys having rested and being 100%
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
No pressure or sacks came on Gurode in the first half of week 6.
The rush was mainly from the edge, although Yanda and Birk botched one blitz.
I don’t know about our or your 2nd half pressure. I haven’t re-watched that yet.
As a whole
Those 6 games saw abysmal pass protection and Gurode was a huge part of that. Obviously it didn’t suddenly become impossible to pressure or sack Flacco once Grubbs returned, but it made a big difference. Gurode might be a pretty good Center, but he’s NOOO guard.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
Now that the defense has had a season to really forge Wade's scheme
and Barwin and Reed have dialed in their positions vs that week 6 game being the first time, yeah we’ll be getting more pressure even if you clone Grubbs.
Let’s face it, you improved by one player on OL. We improved by two players on D. In the end it may be a wash, but you don’t have the advantage in difference in this part of the game compared to last game.
Week 19 Texans > Week 6 Texans….and I can’t wait to see the look on some Ravens faces when that reality hits home!
that may be
but i’ll take a wash given our offensive production last time.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
we're pretty enigmatic
Sometimes we’re awful, sometimes we’re great, but the strange thing is we’re always better against the better competition. How Jacksonville completely shut us down I’ll never understand…
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
Jacksonville had an excellent defense this year
Especially when you consider that Gabbert couldn’t start on the field.
by JBal on Jan 11, 2012 6:56 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
they sure played lights out that game
a big part of the problem was inexperience at WR. They would finish their routes and just sit there, nobody ever tried to come back to the QB once the play broke down.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
Glover Quin
(on if Wade Phillips did a good job in moving players and identifying changes) "I think that’s what he does, I wouldn’t say best, I think he calls the game best, but he does a great job of finding guys that fit his system. He knows, he’s been doing it for a long time, so he knows the guys that he needs and the guys that can do the things that he’s going to ask them to do and he did a good job of coming in and evaluating the players that we already had and putting them in a position where they could be successful. He told us from day one, if we go out and do the technique that we’re being coached and know what to do and how to do it, he’ll call the plays on Sunday to put us in the best position. And he’s done a good job of doing that."
tl;dr
"The greatest danger in planning for tomorrow is using yesterdays logic."
Marc Kahlberg
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
I think we will learn that the Bo$$man was right
by Barryfromtexas on Jan 11, 2012 10:28 PM CST up reply actions
You lost me at...
“….what does Marcellus Wallace look like?”
"You mean, besides two chicks at the same time?"
it was a bit long
but so was the fanpost. I wanted to make sure I didn’t miss anything.
I love it knowing that there are a handful of Ravens fans in this area who despise the fact that Joe will be our QB for the next 10 years. --Mr. MaLoR
I honestly can not see us doing as well as we did last Saturday.
I think the road enviornment will be too much to handle. Hopefully I’m wrong.
Sonicsgate: A movie about how the Sonics were stolen from Seattle.
Good lord...
The tripe some of the BBD Ravens fans spew is ridiculous!
Three quarters of the page down.
http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2012/1/9/2693916/ravens-vs-texans#88335539
That sounds about right. It’s funny to hear Texans’ fans talk about playoff records when they’ve only played in one playoff game in their entire history.
These Texans fans remind me of the 2007 Browns fans when the Browns went 10-6 with Derek Anderson. I remember Browns fans telling me that the Browns defenders were better than the Ravens defenders. They even went so far as to say that Shaun Rogers was better than Ngata, D’Qwell Jackson was better than Ray Lewis and that Sean Jones was better than Ed Reed.
Fans of these perennially crappy/underachieving teams don’t know how to act when their team has the slightest bit of success.
I've got nothin'...
Rewatching the first Texans - Ravens game from this year.
1st Texans Drive
- 1st play Duane Brown blocks Webb into the Ravens’ bench on a WR screen. lol
- On the first drive, Schaub converts two 7-8ish yard 3rd downs with crossing patterns behind the blitz. This (timing patterns across the middle) is where I think TJ can’t match Shaub, though.
- Schaub sacked on a Ray Lewis blitz where Vickers (in his first start) whiffs on the pick-up.
- Foster runs for 15 yards on 3rd & 15. Broke a Pollard tackle and beat Ray to the edge.
- Foster motioned out wide, Reed came up to take him.
- 3rd and 10 at 42, Ray reads the play and makes Schaub throw behind OD. Punt.
by willieboyd on Jan 11, 2012 2:00 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
McKinnie needs help on the edge. Boldin is owning Joseph. Flacco looks good.
1st Ravens Drive
- Brooks Reed is playing WLB (for Mario), he plays SLB now.
- Flacco with a good throw to Boldin (Joseph) with Antonio Smith right in his face.
- Flacco complete to Smith (Kareem) for ~12.
- Rice wide open on screen (Demeco took the slot receiver and Cushing and Barwin rush).
- Flacco to Boldin (Manning) on PA.
- Flacco sacked by Barwin (neither McKinnie or Rice picks him up). Should have been grounding, horrible call.
- Flacco hit by Barwin (McKinnie beat badly again). Quin was spying on RB (Williams not Rice) in dime. Boldin beat Joseph again.
- Rice motions out for screen, Joseph playing way off of him on outside.
- Screen to Dickson (Manning) to the 1.
- Leach for no gain at 1 (2nd down), personal foul on A. Smith. Rice for no gain at 1 (1st down). Rice for no gain again at 1 (2nd down). Personal foul on A. Smith. Flacco sneaks for TD.
by willieboyd on Jan 11, 2012 2:26 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
2nd Texans Drive: Good Texans blitz pick up. More 3rd down conversions on short crossing routes. Foster going nowhere.
- Foster stuffed on the edge by Johnson. Foster stuffed on the cutback. Mason beats #36 for 1st down.
- Nobody open, Schaub scrambles for a 2 yard gain! lol Ngata was triple teamed in max protect.
- 3rd down & 4 converted. OD crossing over the middle behind the blitz (#51 on the coverage).
- Short pass to OD, Foster stuffed, incomplete to Jacoby. Punt.
by willieboyd on Jan 11, 2012 2:40 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
So far I've learned:
- Baltimore is hard to run on, no surprise.
- The short crossing routes were there for Schaub.
- Barwin can eat up McKinnie.
- Ravens pass rush hasn’t done much.
- Boldin and Rice are hard to stop.
by willieboyd on Jan 11, 2012 2:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
2nd Ravens drive: Texans getting rush is getting pressure and it has nothing to do with missing Grubbs.
- Pitta is lining up beside McKinnie. False start on Pitta. The outside pressure is working.
- Kareem with defensive holding on Smith.
- Williams motions out, Cushing takes him.
- Cushing with the delayed blitz up the middle (Yanda & Birk) for the sack.
by willieboyd on Jan 11, 2012 2:51 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
3rd Texans Drive: Tate looking better than Foster. Texans handling Ravens pass rush well.
- Tate breaks off 10 on a cutback (stretch right). Brisiel with a nice seal block on Ray-Ray.
- Short Tate run, Foster screen for 0 and Walter catch 1 yard short of first down on 3rd.
- Texans go for it on 4th and 1 at Raven 20. Foster stuffed behind Dreessen, Winston and Brisiel.
by willieboyd on Jan 11, 2012 2:59 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
3rd Ravens drive: Texans pass rush is dominating the Ravens.
- Rice with two short gains.
- Tim Jamison beats Yanda and strips Flacco. Texans only rush four and collapse the pocket. Jamison recovers.
by willieboyd on Jan 11, 2012 3:02 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
4th Texans Drive: Texans running game starting to heat up.
- Foster for 7 on stretch play right.
- Tate with a cutback for 3 on stretch play right.
- Tate up the middle for 6. Fumbles at goalline. Wade Smith recovers for TD. 7-7
by willieboyd on Jan 11, 2012 3:06 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
4th Ravens Drive: Flacco good with time.
- Barwin sniffs out the naked boot. Flacco throws it away, but is hit hard again.
- Rice motions out wide. Manning takes him.
- Flacco has time on 3rd down, hits Pitta for 1st.
- Flacco has time complete to Boldin for 11 down the middle (Barwin covering).
- Barwin gets quick pressure on Oher, incomplete.
- Rice with good gain on a screen. Manning on coverage.
- McCain with good coverage on Smith.
by willieboyd on Jan 11, 2012 3:19 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
5th Texans Drive: Two minute drill.
- Coverage sack on Schaub.
- Arian drops a screen pass. Punt.
by willieboyd on Jan 11, 2012 3:22 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
5th Ravens Drive: Two Minute Drill.
- Flacco int on tipped ball. A bit of an overthrow. First bad throw by Flacco.
by willieboyd on Jan 11, 2012 3:24 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
6th Ravens Drive:
- Long pass to Jacoby. Time runs out. Halftime.
by willieboyd on Jan 11, 2012 3:25 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
6th Texans* Drive
These are fun to read! Nice work!!!
Week 19 Texans > Week 6 Texans….and I can’t wait to see the look on some Ravens faces when that reality hits home!
Thanks, I'm feeling good after watching that 1st half.
If TJ can hit those crossing routes we’ll be OK.
Halftime notes:
- Texans are beating Flacco to death. Barwin has been a monster. McKinnie cannot keep up on the edge at LT. Barwin at WLB is going to be even scarier.
- Flacco and Boldin are very good with time to throw. I can see why Joseph’s on Boldin, he’s the main threat so far.
- Schaub has plenty of time (2 Raven sacks were the only pressure) and the short crossing routes behind the blitzare open all day. Vintage Schaub.
- The Texans running game can get going, but we’ll have to be very patient.
1st Ravens Drive (2nd Half):
- Rice breaks a Ryans tackle for a big gain.
- Flacco again swallowed by the pass rush (Reed, Cushing and Ryans), but he stands in and hits Rice with a good pass.
- Flacco has time, hits Boldin. They are excellent together.
- Rice going nowhere on two downs.
- Flacco with an unpressure bad throw on 3rd down.
- FG (7-13)
by willieboyd on Jan 11, 2012 4:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
1st Texans drive (2nd Half): Matt Schaub is good.
- Schuab with lots of time. Hits Walter across the middle.
- Schaub again with all day. Hits Foster on check down.
- Tate stuffed. Tate for short gain.
- 3rd down, Schuab under a little pressure steps up, hits Jacoby across middle for a 1st down.
- Schaub with the naked boot. Throws back across the field to Jacoby who beats Reed for long TD.
- 14-13. Good place to stop and go for a run.
by willieboyd on Jan 11, 2012 4:32 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Breakdown on the JJ touchdown.
PA stretch left. Jacoby to left, OD in-line to right.
Short crossing route from OD draws safety opposite of Jacoby up.
Jacoby outruns Reed across the field to the vacant spot.
2nd Ravens Drive: Kareem gets used.
- Two safeties deep on 1st down, Rice stopped for no gain.
- 3rd & 12, Flacco to Smith for first (Jackson beat)
- Flacco steps up in pocket, long pass to Smith (Jackson beat). Two safeties deep, Manning took TE and let Smith get behind him. Ravens in red zone.
- 3rd & 2, Texans stuff Rice. FG (14-16)
by willieboyd on Jan 11, 2012 7:35 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
3rd Texans Drive: Crowd seems louder. Ravens pass rush better.
- Schaub play action, Johnson beats Dreessen for a sack.
- Schaub to Jacoby for 16 over the middle. Good coverage, Schaub made a perfect throw.
- Tate stuffed with Pollard in the box.
- Pocket collapses on Schaub.
- 3rd & 9, bad WR screen attempt to Jacoby. Texans look rattled.
3rd Ravens Drive: Flacco and Boldiin make a great play.
- Flacco with a great throw (55 yards in the air with pressure in his face) and Boldin with a great catch. ~60 yard gain. Truly an amazing play.
- 1st down in redzone. Rice for -5. Brooks Reed with penetration.
- 2nd down. Pocket collapses. Cushing, Reed and Cody with pressure.
- 3rd down. Good coverage. FG (14-19)
4th Texans Drive: Texans driving. Pollard with big defensive play.
- Dump off to Foster for 1st down.
- Texans running well enough to keep Ravens honest.
- Schaub pressured by Johnson (Brown beat outside). Schaub steps up and Ngata buries his helmet in Schaub’s sternum.
- 3rd & 9 on 40. Foster has the catch for a possible 1st down and Pollard breaks it up at the last second. Huge defensive play. This play and the two deep balls are the difference in the 2nd half so far.
4th Ravens drive: Texans getting tired against the run.
- Rice with 16 rushes for 47 yards, so far. Defense looks tired and Rice rips off 2 nice runs. Texans still playing two safeties deep.
- Demeco with immediate pressure up the middle.
- 3rd down. Cushing mans up on Rice out of backfield. Cushing with excellent coverage. Incomplete, but Rice should have gotten offensive PI.
5th Texans Drive: Ravens D steps up again.
- Good screen to Foster for 6. Foster for 1.
- 3rd & 3. Offense needs to stay on the field. Schaub can’t find anyone, stays in the pocket and it collapses. T-Sizzle with pressure against Brown. Schaub fumbles. Smith with his second fumble recovery. lol
6th Ravens Drive: Ravens close out the game with runs and PA.
- Ravens pound Williams on 1st down, PA to Boldin on 2nd (beats Joseph) for 1st down.
- PA Dickson for 1st down (beat Quin).
- Rice rips off two big runs against tired Texans.
- Williams with the TD. (14-25)
2nd half notes: There's still 4 minutes left, but the game is pretty much over.
- Flacco and Boldin beat us.
- Rice was held in check for 3.5 quarters with both safeties deep most of the day.
- Ravens got better pressure in the 2nd half.
Excellent Post
a well deserved rec!
"The greatest danger in planning for tomorrow is using yesterdays logic."
Marc Kahlberg
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
I think we will learn that the Bo$$man was right
by Barryfromtexas on Jan 11, 2012 10:49 PM CST reply actions

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