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The Study Of Parity Has Been Very Uneven

The second the NFL Championship games were over and we knew the Super Bowl match-up, I knew it was coming. It's like the swallows returning to Capistrano or Jets fans hating their first round pick -- you can set your clock to it (assuming you had one of those clocks that counts in years).

What I'm referring to is the inevitable story about how baseball has more parity than football because of the higher number of repeat champions in the NFL. Normally, Jayson Stark is the one championing the cause (and I actually like Stark), but this year Tom Verducci beat him to it.

Now, normally, this is one of those things that I wouldn't really care much about. I mean, I love baseball and I love football, so it's kind of like deciding which kid you love the most or which is your favorite IPA, but I'm always bothered by the analysis. Simply looking at the different number of champions over a given time frame is like judging a pitcher or quarterback only by win-loss record.

So I decided to take a crack at it. While the ever accurate sniff test tells me that the NFL has more parity, I made a strong effort to stay intellectually honest and not let my suspicion guide the analysis.

But I must warn ye, there be math ahead.

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Before getting into any analysis, we're going to start with a step that is usually overlooked in these things. Namely, we're going to define what "parity" means.

As I said pre-jump, I don't believe that parity can simply be explained by looking at how many champions a league has had over a given time. In my mind the question of parity isn't so much an issue of whether or not a multitude of teams have successfully won the league, but rather one that looks at the opportunity each team has. In other words, "does each team have the same opportunity for success?"

For example, the American sports "league" with the absolute least parity in my mind is Division I NCAA Football. There are 119 teams that play for a single championship, but because of varying schedules, AQ vs. non-AQ conferences, an economically driven bowl system, and this absurd notion that there should be a pre-season poll (which ultimately drives decisions in the BCS rankings), not all teams are given an equal opportunity to win said championship. If, in the upcoming season, my beloved Northwestern Wildcats went undefeated, but two SEC schools also went undefeated, the Wildcats would likely be on the outside looking in. Similarly, though, the ‘Cats would be in a better position than, say, Boise St.

Individual sports such as the PGA Tour or WTA, however, have the ultimate parity. Sure, some players have better equipment, coaches, sponsorships, etc, but the advantages that those provide are minimal. All players have the same opportunity to play in the same number of events at the same venues and for the same purse.

As it pertains to MLB and the NFL, however, it's tougher to define opportunity. We can debate all day the pros and cons of the NFL's salary cap system vs MLB's luxury tax approach, but in order to retroactively evaluate which one has had better success, I'm going to use playoff appearances in place of league champion.

I'm doing this because I subscribe to the theory that the playoffs are a bit of a crap shoot -- especially when you consider the one-and-done model in the NFL -- so I feel that playoff appearances give us a better view as to whether teams have been given the opportunity to adequately improve themselves over time. I understand that this is not the perfect model, as it ignores the inequities in divisions (i.e., AL East vs NL Central) or rules (i.e., a 7-9 Seahawks team making the playoffs over a 10-6 Giants team), but hopefully we can agree that it is a superior model to simply looking at champions.

Lastly, to close the preliminaries, I would ideally have used 20 years or more worth of data, but considering the changes in CBAs and league structures, I questioned how valid the older data might be. As a result, I decided that the most relevant data set would be the past 10 years.

Now, if you disagree with this premise, you're probably better off saving yourself some time and just skipping down to the comments to complain, but if you agree or are just totally bored, let's move on to the good stuff. Of course, considering I've taken nearly 700 words to get to this point, you may want to go get a cup of coffee first. Don't worry, I'll still be here when you get back.

The obvious place to start is to look at how many playoff appearances each team has had in their respective leagues.

MLB Team # of Playoff Appearances
NFL Team # of Playoff Appearances
New York Yankees 9
Indianapolis Colts 9
Boston Red Sox 6
New England Patriots 8
Los Angeles Angels 6
Green Bay Packers 7
Minnesota Twins 6
Philadelphia Eagles 7
Atlanta Braves 5
Pittsburgh Steelers 7
Philadelphia Phillies 5
Baltimore Ravens 6
St Louis Cardinals 5
New York Giants 6
Los Angeles Dodgers 4
Seattle Seahawks 6
Tampa Bay Rays 3
Atlanta Falcons 5
San Francisco Giants 3
New York Jets 5
Oakland As 3
San Diego Chargers 5
Chicago Cubs 3
Dallas Cowboys 4
Arizona Diamondbacks 3
Denver Broncos 4
Detroit Tigers 2
New Orleans Saints 4
Chicago White Sox 2
Tennessee Titans 4
Houston Astros 2
Carolina Panthers 3
Colorado Rockies 2
Chicago Bears 3
Texas Rangers 2
Cincinnati Bengals 3
San Diego Padres 2
Kansas City Chiefs 3
Milwaukee Brewers
2
Minnesota Vikings 3
Florida Marlins 1
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
3
Cleveland Indians 1
Arizona Cardinals 2
St. Louis Cardinals 1
Jacksonville Jaguars 2
New York Mets 1
San Francisco 49ers 2
Cincinnati Reds 1
St. Louis Rams 2
Baltimore Orioles 0
Washington Redskins 2
Kansas City Royals 0
Cleveland Browns 1
Toronto Blue Jays 0
Detroit Lions 1
Washington Nationals 0
Houston Texans 1
Pittsburgh Pirates 0
Miami Dolphins 1



Oakland Raiders 1



Buffalo Bills 0

This data is neither surprising, nor particularly interesting. It tells us that the Yankees and Colts have both dominated post season appearances in their respective leagues. Oooohhh (/waves hands)! The standard parity analysis would ignore this fact and only point to the fact that both teams have a measly one championship each and claim victory. We, on the other hand, know better.

But how do we draw conclusions from this data?

Well, first off, it would be irresponsible (and a bit boring) for us to simply look at totals without considering the fact that 12 out of the 32 NFL (38%) teams make the playoffs each year while only 8 out of 30 MLB teams (27%) make the playoffs. The Yankees' 9 playoff appearances are not the same as the Colts' 9 playoff appearances.

What we need to do is compare how the number of playoff appearances that each team has had to the expected number of playoff appearances in a totally equitable league. Let's take the concept of parity to the extreme. In this scenario, every team would start each season with exactly the same probability of making the playoffs. In baseball, each team would start with a 27% probability of making the playoffs and every NFL team would start with a probability of 38%. In such a league, over a ten year span, we would expect each NFL team to make the playoffs 3.8 times and each MLB team 2.7 times.

Now, obviously some of you are thinking that the extreme leagues are stupid because it's impossible to make the playoffs a fraction of a time. This is true, and even if you played out this fake league and randomly selected the playoff teams out of a hat, the probability that all teams would reach the playoffs an equal amount of time is virtually zero. Just by chance, you're going to have some teams go to the playoffs more than others.

So in order to test for parity, what we can do is see what is the probability that performing such an exercise would result in the actual results above. In other words, in this completely random extreme league, what are the chances that the Colts would actually reach the playoffs nine times and the Texans just once?

If we do this for both the MLB results and the NFL results, we should be able to see which one is closest to true parity, right?

Right! Fortunately for us, the world of statistics provides us with such a tool to perform this test. It's called a Pearson's Chi-Squared test.

In an effort to retain the few readers who have actually made it this far, I'm going to save you from the statistical analysis and just give you the results. Ready?!?!

The probability that the extreme NFL parity league would result in the actual playoff appearances seen above is 5.2%. The probability that the extreme MLB parity league would result in the actual playoff appearances seen above is a measly 0.3%.

What this tells us is that the NFL is actually closer to a fully equitable league than is MLB. Yay, argument over!!

Well, sort of. See, the issue is that we're not really supposed to use the Chi-Squared test when the expected frequencies are below 5 (remember, we're at 3.8 and 2.7). We're in better shape because of the amount of teams we're dealing with (which gives us a high degree of freedom), so the results aren't invalid, but it's still not a slam dunk.

Ultimately, as with any statistical analysis, after we've performed our calculations, we need to step back and look at this intelligently. Ideally, we would be able to run this analysis over a 20-30 year period in order to improve the statistical results and weed out generational issues. For example, the Colts had more playoff appearances over this time in part because they were able to retain Peyton Manning and had a lot of consistency. Conversely, the Yankees sustained playoff success stems from the fact that they have the resources to replace and add players constantly.

Over time, it's not a stretch to presume that the Yankees' approach is more sustainable. We've already seen this year that the Colts are in store for a few playoff-less years, but the Yankees still have the resources to continue their dominance. More likely than not, the Yankees are not on the precipice of a drought.

In the end, we can say that the NFL has more parity, but it's also not to the extreme that some would like to think. It will be interesting to see how this continues as the years go on and to see if the differences become more glaring.

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The study of Party is uneven?

I don’t get it….

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by Rip Jersey on Feb 10, 2012 7:38 AM CST reply actions  

Imagine the NFL

if it had a minor league to farm off of.

The Houston Texans: The Ron Paul of the NFL.

by DaGoaT on Feb 10, 2012 8:52 AM CST reply actions  

Isn't that what the 53+ man roster and Practice Squad basically is?

Those guys all practice together but only a select few suit up on game day

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by Rip Jersey on Feb 10, 2012 9:00 AM CST up reply actions  

those aren't farm teams

like the minor leagues are.

The Houston Texans: The Ron Paul of the NFL.

by DaGoaT on Feb 10, 2012 9:43 AM CST up reply actions  

It is a minor league, though. And, it is farmed off of.

Are you saying specifically, imagine if the NFL had a minor leagues like MLB and NHL, where player contracts belong to the major league team? Yes, you are correct. The NFL relationship with the NCAA is not like that.

Problem solved.

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by Rip Jersey on Feb 10, 2012 9:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Sure they are. Keep in mind that of the three major sports, only football has a viable or remotely compelling college component.

The best baseball players go straight to the minors and the best basketball players give zero commitment to their colleges, as they’re only there because someone told them to be.

On that subject, basketball’s rule ought to be: out of high school or a 3-year college commitment. No leaving after 1 year.

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by krkenney on Feb 10, 2012 11:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Disagree on drafting kids straight out of high school.

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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 10, 2012 11:51 AM CST up reply actions  

Why? It worked in the past.

The kid should be obligated to make a choice. He can declare for the draft and hire an agent out of high school. Maybe a team drafts him. If no one does, he can go to a college after sitting out a year and cutting off all contact with any agents.

And any college basketball player should be required to stay in school for 3 years.

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by krkenney on Feb 10, 2012 1:23 PM CST up reply actions  

nope no more high school kids.

it should be a three year commitment. the nba is completely different from most leagues. Players don’t get hurt as much on the court. 3 years would allow them to mature and develop their game.

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by NoSafetiesNeeded on Feb 10, 2012 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

It used to have one

But NFL Europe died

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by Barryfromtexas on Feb 10, 2012 9:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Yay! Math in the morning.

Another enjoyable article, Vega.

Although I only had time/attention-span to summarily browse the Pearson’s Chi-Squared Test link, I think I understand the premise enough to now gaze at the playoff appearance list and see that the NFL has more parity as defined here.

If I understand your note concerning the Yankees’ playoff success clearly, then if the NFL allowed a team, or handful of teams, to simply outspend other teams in the League, one would expect similar dominance by said team(s) and less parity league-wide.

by jaws on Feb 10, 2012 8:59 AM CST reply actions  

I think the title of this article is correct "the study" is uneven

If the study looked at World Championships in the last decade vs money spent, the Yankees would be at the bottom of one and the top of the next. If the writer insists that playoff appearances is the measure of success, then he should have a chart that show Dollars Spent/Appearance and maybe that would give us some perspective.

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by Rip Jersey on Feb 10, 2012 9:05 AM CST up reply actions  

That chart would only apply to baseball

And would be pointless in the football discussion. I’m not trying to go into the root cause of the baseball economic system and how it relates to opportunity. What I’m doing is comparing the relative success each league has had in their attempts at bringing in competitive balance.

I’m saying that the NFL has been more successful in the past ten years.

I do suggest that I believe that part of the reason is that the baseball model does give the Yankees a better opportunity than the football model gives the Colts, but going into a full regression analysis to identify root cause in MLB would be a completely separate argument.

I though this post was long enough.

by Vega on Feb 10, 2012 9:22 AM CST up reply actions  

To be honest, I don't know what point I got from your MLB vs NFL comparison

I didn’t see any cause-effect. Sorry.

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by Rip Jersey on Feb 10, 2012 9:43 AM CST up reply actions  

I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt

There must be something there. I think its an excercise in comparative mathematics. But I’m having a hard time trying to figure out why anyone would want to compare football with baseball, especially in terms of parity, unless they were thinking about synthesizing the two. What would that be? faseball? bootball? How would you play it? three strikes and its fourth down? A homerun is when you hit the football through the uprights?

Oh the possibilities.

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by professortex on Feb 10, 2012 9:59 AM CST up reply actions  

There are two types of statistics

Those that try to tell you how you’re doing and those that try to tell you why you are where you’re at. This was the former. It’s like playing a game where nobody is keeping score. I’m trying to figure out who’s winning, not necessarily why.

As for why to do the analysis at all, it’s mostly because I see these articles every year and wanted to put my two cents in.

by Vega on Feb 10, 2012 10:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Got it..

I kinda suspected that is what it was. Just had to poke a little fun, since I’m not a big baseball fan.

I do however think that this kind of anlysis is interesting when looking at parity between the NFC and AFC. It used to be a big deal.

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by professortex on Feb 10, 2012 11:02 AM CST up reply actions  

That explains my inability to come to a conclusion

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by Rip Jersey on Feb 10, 2012 10:08 AM CST up reply actions  

The only other way to increase parity

in the NFL would be to have Coach and GM “term limits”

We all know that ain’t happening

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by Barryfromtexas on Feb 10, 2012 9:40 AM CST reply actions  

Even parity-er

Let the worst teams swap players/coaches with the best teams.

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by texanphil on Feb 12, 2012 5:42 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Noooooo...
In an effort to retain the few readers who have actually made it this far, I’m going to save you from the statistical analysis and just give you the results.

I actually read that far because I WANTED the statistical analysis.

Still, very good write-up.

by La Voz on Feb 10, 2012 10:42 AM CST reply actions   1 recs

Sorry guys

As I was writing it, I figured that if I included the full analysis it would have dragged this thing on for another 1,000 words. If you could upload images on the comments I’d put some interesting charts up for you.

I will say that at one point while I was playing with the data I did create the extreme parity leagues and randomly selected playoff teams for ten years using the random number generator in Excel. By sheer luck, the Astros ended up tied for second for the most playoff appearances with 5 (Nationals had 6), and the Texans were also tied for second with 5 (Browns, Cowboys, and Raiders had 6).

That doesn’t actually mean anything, but somehow it still made me feel good.

by Vega on Feb 10, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

So essentially, what I did

is mathematically test which graph of “actuals” is closest to the graph of “expected” and the NFL won out.

by Vega on Feb 10, 2012 1:42 PM CST up reply actions  

none of them are showing

try using imgur.com

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by nolander on Feb 11, 2012 12:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Very cool Vega

Have you considered looking at it from the other end (i.e. losers instead of winners)? This all comes back to what your definition of “parity” is but I think for the average fan (and team revenue) it might be more important to see how long it takes a terrible team to return to average (a very literal view of parity) or even success (playoffs under your definition).

At just a quick glance this morning, it seems like baseball has more teams that get stuck down in the bottom dweller range although there might be some churn at the top. The NFL is full of examples of Team X getting the #1 pick and then working their way back up. Sometimes they keep sucking (Rams) but watching the Lions and 49ers this year (not to mention our Texans) made me think that fans of a bad NFL team have better prospects than fans of a bad MLB team.

There might even be a simple explanation for it – Look at the difference in drafts for the two leagues, and I think you would have a hard time arguing that a draft pick in MLB is more valuable than a pick in the NFL. The draft ordering system combined with the scarcity of NFL players might be the best tool for parity

by Jason Brown on Feb 10, 2012 11:28 AM CST reply actions  

Actually, the analysis looks at both

The overall analysis looks at all the teams and estimates how far off they are from the expected value. So, for example, the Bills missing the playoffs for 10 straight years actually has a greater impact on the results than the Packers making it 7 out of 10.

by Vega on Feb 10, 2012 12:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Ok cool

I was thinking of doing something like expected wins for teams that get a top pick, just out of curiousity

by Jason Brown on Feb 10, 2012 12:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Hold on while I take off my p-hat.

I think the main problem with using playoff appearances to look for parity is that NFL and MLB divisions are different sizes. The NFL has 4 divisions in each conference with 4 teams in each division. MLB has 3 dvisions in each league, with 2 five-team divisions in both leagues, 1 six-team division and 1 four-team division. The odds of winning a division and making the playoffs should be higher with more teams in a division. For instance, the Seachickens probably wouldn’t have won their division with a 7-9 record if there were 5 other teams in their division.

I think one way to look for parity is how many times in each sport the team with the best regular season record won the championship, although the playoff structure of each sport would greatly influence the final results.

So, here’s my “analysis”: In the past 10 years, the team with the best record in the regular season has won the championship in MLB 2 times, or 2/10, or 20% of the time; in the NFL the result is 1/10, or 10% of the time. The final result: The NFL has more parity! Woo! Of course, this could all be dismissed due to the small sample size.

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by Foster Child on Feb 10, 2012 12:22 PM CST reply actions  

every NFL team would start with a probability of 38%

Wouldn’t our probability be 19%? There are 6 playoff teams in the AFC, but all six are not open to each team. They can win their division (1), or get one of the two wild-cards, but the Texans can’t take the AFC North champs playoff spot.

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by texanphil on Feb 10, 2012 12:40 PM CST reply actions  

You're right

I tried to gloss over this with the following statement:


I understand that this is not the perfect model, as it ignores the inequities in divisions (i.e., AL East vs NL Central) or rules (i.e., a 7-9 Seahawks team making the playoffs over a 10-6 Giants team), but hopefully we can agree that it is a superior model to simply looking at champions.

I even went further than what you suggest and just said that all 12 spots are open to any team, regardless of division, etc. I definitely acknowledge this as a weak point, and perhaps I’ll adjust this if I decide this is something worth keeping and we move on to version 2.0.

by Vega on Feb 10, 2012 12:53 PM CST up reply actions  

thanks

it was more of a question than a criticism.

I keep thinking I’m pretty good at math (until I read some of the posts on here) but probabilities always puzzle me.

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by texanphil on Feb 10, 2012 2:38 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it's actually 37.5% for the NFL

You’d have a 1/4 probability of winning the division, then a 1/6 (16 in AFC-4 division winners leaves you 12 teams vying for 2 spots) probability of taking one of the two wild card teams. P(A)+P(B)-P(A)*P(B). Works out to 37.5%.

Baseball gets tricky with changing make up of leagues. The last few years, the probability of making the playoffs is as low as 25.6% in the NL Central (6 teams and a 16 team NL) to 36.4% in the AL West (4 teams and a 14 team AL). The other two NL divisions are at 29.2% and the AL at 30.9%.

by formerlyanonymous on Feb 10, 2012 2:49 PM CST up reply actions  

To follow this up...

That raises the MLB parity from 0.3% cited by vega to 1.59%, still well below the 5.26% (after the slight adjustment for the NFL probability). Just as a further support for the NFL having slightly better parity.

by formerlyanonymous on Feb 10, 2012 3:25 PM CST up reply actions  

If you win the division you don’t qualify for the wildcard spot(s), does that affect your math?

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by texanphil on Feb 12, 2012 5:50 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Nice analysis

Though I notice on the MLB side you have the Brewers at 1 appearance on the list twice in place of the Orioles at zero appearances. Maybe it isn’t like that on your spreadsheet, but if it is correcting that would make the relative parity value of the NFL that much greater.

Its also a sad reminder of the Astros having less appearances in the last decade than Arizona…

by werncontrol on Feb 10, 2012 12:48 PM CST reply actions  

Good catch

I didn’t notice that because I pulled all the playoff appearances and then manually added in the zero appearance data points. Somehow I ended up with two Brewers (one had two spaces between Milwaukee and Brewers, so it wasn’t caught when I checked for duplicates) and when I checked to make sure I had everything, I just looked to make sure there were 30 records and 80 playoff appearances.

Interestingly, this creates a slightly greater divergence in the results. Because a “zero appearance” data point is further away from the expected value, replacing the two Milwaukee data points (at 1 app. each) with a 2 (MIL) and 0 (BAL), it drops the MLB probability from 0.4% to 0.3%.

by Vega on Feb 10, 2012 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Right! Fortunately for us, the world of statistics provides us with such a tool to perform this test.
There are lies. damned lies, and statistics.

Interesting story. I feel the NFL has more parity for the simple reason that there are only 16 regular season games, and one loss you’re out playoff games. This lends itself to the saying, “any given Sunday.” When you play 162 games, The cream tends to rise to the top. When the Yankees get 7 chances to beat a team 4 times, they’ll typically prevail. When the Colts get only one chance to win/lose a game, anything can happen.

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by TexaStunna on Feb 10, 2012 2:53 PM CST reply actions  

That's a really good point

and something I’ve been considering for a separate post. I think a lot of the NFL’s perceived parity is due to just normal variation. Because it’s a shorter season, if you could replay the season over again (with the exact same players, coaches, schedules, etc), you would have more variation in the results than if you did the same thing with MLB.

by Vega on Feb 10, 2012 3:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Really good points, both of you

I bet it makes injuries even more significant too

by Jason Brown on Feb 10, 2012 5:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I just had to come back here this morning and read the comments

Again, great article, Vega. And I love this blog for the many intelligent responses. The perfect pastime for the offseason? Statistical analysis!

by jaws on Feb 11, 2012 11:46 AM CST reply actions  

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