Jason La Canfora: Former Raiders CB Stanford Routt To Visit Texans, Other Teams This Week
Here's your first real, live bit of free agency news. Recently released due to a huge salary cap number, Routt will visit Buffalo, Kansas City, Houston, Dallas, and Tennessee this week.
The former Houston Cougar had 15 pass deflections and four interceptions in 2011.
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I say yes.
Who’s with me?
Madame de Staël once said, "One must choose in life between boredom and suffering." De Staël is dead but there is always an alternative.
This is where the cool is.
by Antho10000 on Feb 13, 2012 5:49 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Wasn't he a touchdown traffic cone and a penalty magnet in 2011?
I say, “No”.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
Well he's definitely not a #1 CB.
Although he had the classic letdown after a huge contract like Chris Johnson and countless others.
Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.
Texans Simply Doing Due Diligence
Routt’s almost sure to get way more than the Texans can pay.
This is like when the Raiders cut DeAngelo Hall after signing him to a huge contract, and he went on to get another big deal elsewhere.
Ecstatic that Texans fandom no longer means that April is the highlight of my season...
Let's look at why he was cut
He sucked last season and he was grossly overpaid.
Now who wants him?
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
He's better than k jax
He’s better than J Allen
@THEREALALLENOU on twitter - "The man, the verb, the legend" OU'd
by AllenOU on Feb 13, 2012 6:08 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
you have a twatlite picture for your avatar
all of your arguments are invalid.
- Feeling the five stages of grief since 2002.
"It's either gonna make you a man or a coward. One of the two. I'm a be a man. I ain't never seen a coward, heard a coward, coward not in ma
vocabulary." - Lawrence Vickers
"I believe in this "zombie team that won’t fucking die no matter how many body parts you shoot off." We can win this game.
by NoSafetiesNeeded on Feb 13, 2012 10:14 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
no he's not ----------------->
- Feeling the five stages of grief since 2002.
"It's either gonna make you a man or a coward. One of the two. I'm a be a man. I ain't never seen a coward, heard a coward, coward not in ma
vocabulary." - Lawrence Vickers
"I believe in this "zombie team that won’t fucking die no matter how many body parts you shoot off." We can win this game.
by NoSafetiesNeeded on Feb 13, 2012 6:36 PM CST up reply actions
In 2011?
That could be argued the other way with Allen and KJax
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
I am Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on Feb 14, 2012 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
He's better than kjax?
What – he can turn his head and still committ a PI penalty?
Perfect….
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So he's Petey Faggins?
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with a Johnathan Joseph price tag...
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
Yeah that's what I'm thinking.
This looks awesome then you realize they aren’t going to shell out a huge contract to Routt.
All this will do is send Texans fans into a frenzy for a week or two for nothing.
Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.
Hell to the nah
We need to use our money elsewhere.
this is simple.
I completely agree. Money is needed elsewhere
All I want to do is FAAAARRRRRRRRRMMMMMMMMM!!!....and COok.
by Mellowcheese on Feb 13, 2012 6:49 PM CST up reply actions
He thrived as a #2 corner opposite a shutdown corner
Sounds like where he’d be in our situation. Me likey.
Agree to this
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Feb 13, 2012 8:40 PM CST up reply actions
I'd rather bring Mario back.
Did everyone forget the 2-14 season we endured to get Mario? So we just wanna let the guy who has been one of the best pass rushers in the game walk? I just hope the front office has a better thought process. Signing him should be the top priority along with Arian Foster.
I figured that if I said it enough, I would convince the world that I really was the greatest.
~Muhammad Ali
I think we're fine at CB2.
It’s not a problem. It is only for people who make it personal against Kareem. I think he took great steps forward this season. I would look for him to be even better next season.
I figured that if I said it enough, I would convince the world that I really was the greatest.
~Muhammad Ali
I like Kareem
I was called a Kareem apologist multiple times over the season. however Allen will be gone. and IF Mario leaves and Routt is willing to take CB2 money. I say yes. .
So much No
Being a known Kareem Apologist is bad. If Mario walks, Texans sign more young pass rush help. CB2 is a postion of need. Jackson has Frankenstein syndrom, either can’t turn his head fast enough or too slow of foot. I say trade Jackson, but then who would want him.
True arrogance has been displayed here- WestministerRavensfan or something
Hi My name is Jack, why don't you help me off?
I think Kareem would benefit if he were the #3 CB
That said I really don’t think we can afford Routt, So Kareem will prolly be the #2. Which is ok. He is improving.
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Feb 13, 2012 8:46 PM CST up reply actions
Improvement for KJ is hard to define.
Especially when you are bottom of the barrel bad your first season.
True arrogance has been displayed here- WestministerRavensfan or something
Hi My name is Jack, why don't you help me off?
pretty easy to define from where I was sitting
year 1, falls down every time someone runs a deep route. Year two, runs well with CBs a lot of the time especially later in the year, but doesn’t get his head around to make the play. He is close imho, part of that is the coaches realizing not to put him on burners as he doesn’t have the speed to keep up of course, but I still think he can be at least average
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
this
your first impression is your lasting one, so thats why most bloggers here hate Kareem and want him gone, but the kid has made MAJOR improvements this year.. I say he’s 1-1 right now, I think he deserves the 3rd yr for the rubber year to break the tie on rather last year was a fluke or the continued norm of progession
I wana say hi to my haters, stay on your job ;) Go Houston sports!!
david sperm.. you fugly tyrant
TJ Yates - DATruth DAFuture
I'm not okay with OLB in the 1st round
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
Our Andre, who art from Heaven, hallowed by thy name.
Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on Earth as it is in Canton.
Because Barwin and Reed played great
and OLB depth is the only issue even if Mario stays.
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
Our Andre, who art from Heaven, hallowed by thy name.
Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on Earth as it is in Canton.
so OLB depth is an issue but you wouldn't be ok
with fixing it? sure Reed and Barwin were good, but you can’t expect them to play every down if Mario leaves. drafting a Mercilus or Branch would keep everyone fresh in the rotation. Then again thats if Mario leaves.
we can find depth in the later rounds
WR NT should still be our priorities if Mario leaves
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
Our Andre, who art from Heaven, hallowed by thy name.
Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on Earth as it is in Canton.
a first round WR seems wasteful
we’re likely to have the choice of Sanu/Jeffery when we could have Toon/Criner in the second. Who may not be the flashier picks, but would be more productive in our offense, Most NT’s aren’t going in the first other than maybe Poe. also depth =/= rotational player.
Second round Steeter, thats my prediction.
True arrogance has been displayed here- WestministerRavensfan or something
Hi My name is Jack, why don't you help me off?
OLB isn't that high of a need
a No. 2 WR can have more of an impact on this team than a 3rd OLB.
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
Our Andre, who art from Heaven, hallowed by thy name.
Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on Earth as it is in Canton.
I think you are missing his point
A WR at pick 26 might not be worth the pick when you can get someone of comparable value in round 2. Would Sanu be better than Toon? I am not convinced, and you should be able to get Toon with your second rounder. I am all about BPA in round 1, I am really not that concerned with the position. If Mario walks though, they may need to go pass rusher.
"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce
as am I
however, I do kinda want a particular position: interior OL. I think there is usually excellent value in the bottom of the first round for interior OL. If we can get a cheese grater beast of a left guard, I say we should do it. Or, an athletic right tackle prospect that CAN play interior right now so that we can kick Winston inside in the near future and push him outside. I think that would give us the most bang for our buck to be honest.
Depth isn't a 1st round position
My name I’ll lob into it….Shea McClellan from Boise State. I think he’s very underrated.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Chase Thomas (had to look it up)
Knew who you were talking about….kid can play.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Unless you're Green Bay (Sherrod)...
Or Pittsburgh (Cameron Heyward), or Baltimore (Jimmy Smith), or New York (Pierre-Paul) or any other team that has a solid starting roster and drafts late in the first round. Wait, doesn’t that describe us now?
There’s nothing sacred about a late first-rounder. Not when you don’t have any holes on your roster. OLB is a high-effort position, and it demands talented players and athletes. If they don’t come to terms with Mario, that 3rd OLB is every bit as relevant as your two-down NT or WR that probably won’t beat out Walter.
by Nashmeister on Feb 13, 2012 9:09 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Let me put it this way...
The pass rushers in this class, as a whole, aren’t good. I don’t like any of the first round names and don’t think they’ll amount to much.
"Lord, beer me strength."
BPA is
but the texans have never been about BPA. Seems like every year we know what position they are going to target, just not who, whichmakes me think its going to be WR
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
This year is nothing like the other however
We actually don’t have a position of true need.
"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce
Yes we do, & it's WR
It’s obviously glaring, & if you don’t realize this, what the hell have you been watching?
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 14, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions
Actually we don't
Could we improve the WR core? Absolutely, but is it a true need? I don’t think so. When I say need I think of a position that is holding our team back and MUST be improved. WR2 might not be great, but it is definitely not that. AJ and Walter could serve just fine if we had to start the season with them tomorrow.
"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce
WR is not holding our team back —
until Andre goes down. Then, the lack of production from that position is bad enough to maybe cost us a game two, maybe even a playoff game.
Gotta fix this.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
A game or two?
No chance. You’re not going to get Calvin Johnson lining up on the other side. We’d be talking about a marginal upgrade at best. And if there were a WAR device for the NFL, odds are that no non-QB in the league would be any higher than 1.
No chance? Ask the Pats how much difference a couple of plays make.
Andre had double the catches/snap of either KW or Jacoby. That’s big by itself, let alone what effect it has on the TEs and the running game.
We need to find a guy who can step up if Andre goes down; the guys we have obviously can’t get it done.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
by FreedomRide on Feb 14, 2012 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
PFF rates Mario Manningham 78th out of 95 receivers who meet a minimum snap count.
He ranks similarly in drops per target and yards per route run. Before that sideline catch, he was loathed by Giants fans. Most would still tell you they’re happy to see him leave in free agency.
Wes Welker, considered one of the most productive receivers in football over the past several years, dropped a ball that would have sealed the game. Oh, and David Tyree is no longer in the league.
Point being, making a clutch catch doesn’t mean you’re a good receiver. And bad receivers making clutch catches doesn’t lend much credence to the argument that improving the receiver position (and Manningham would not be an improvement by any metric) is going to change our record.
It’s fine to want a receiver in the first round. But I think you overestimate the impact that one player can have on a team’s record. And I take issue with the claim TNO made that WR is a “glaring need”. CB and S were glaring needs last off-season. LT was a glaring need for the bulk of the franchise’s existence. WR is simply a position that wouldn’t hurt to upgrade if the right player falls into our laps.
So WR production is irrelevant to a season's W/L total?
Just any ol’ slugs will do if Andre goes down?
What do we even need Andre for, then? It doesn’t matter if we lose him, because replacing his production would have no effect on the team’s success anyway.
Got it.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
by FreedomRide on Feb 14, 2012 8:40 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Not irrelevant.
But also not significant enough to declare a “glaring need”. My guess is that having Andre Johnson at WR1 is worth about 1 point per game above replacement level (let’s assume Jacoby Jones is replacement level) over the course of a season. And he, when healthy, is one of the best receivers in football.
I’d imagine that a rookie Sanu/Floyd/Toon is going to be worth less than half a point above replacement level per game, whether they’re filling in at #1 for an injured Andre or replacing Kevin Walter at #2.
There are just too many contributors in football for one player to make or break your season. If you want to point to a drop-off in offensive production due to an injury, the most serious one was due to Schaub’s injury. With or without Andre, we’re a superbowl caliber team as long as we get solid QB play. If you want to keep that up, you’re probably better off drafting a QB in the first.
by Nashmeister on Feb 14, 2012 10:53 PM CST up reply actions
No, you've completely convinced me.
Mediocrity at WR is not a danger to the season and can safely be ignored.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
by FreedomRide on Feb 15, 2012 8:13 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
sorry, but WR is a "glaring need"
It is not a serious need in the sense that “we have nothing”, but we aren’t looking to be a mediocre team either. If we are gonna make a run this year, we need back up at WR.
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Feb 15, 2012 9:51 AM CST up reply actions
Which doesn't preclude taking a WR in the 2nd or 3rd rounds
Am I right?
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
You is right
Though, I’d grab one in the 2nd and not wait for the 3rd. Not a big difference between what’ll be available to us in the 1st and 2d.
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Feb 15, 2012 11:56 PM CST up reply actions
Couldn't you make that argument for the QB position as well then?
By that standard, QB would be a position of need in this draft as well.
"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce
If Andrew Luck falls to us at #26, I say take him.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
And it is.
Unfortunately, it’s a horrible draft for QBs after the top two.
I don't think QB is a position of need for us at all
It falls into the same category as WR for me. Would it be nice to upgrade or add depth if the opportunity presents itself? Yes. Is it a need? No.
"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce
agree
it doesn’t have to be in the draft, or FA early.
But if Leinart doesn’t take less money, we need a cheap QB3.
Or, after what we learned last year, we could just go with two QBs and, if the need arises, call one of those seven QBs that came in and studied all our plays for the last month.
TJ must throw 30 times for us to win.
How about grooming a replacement?
Schaub is on the wrong side of 30, rarely manages to start 16 games, and has an expiring contract coming up.
by Nashmeister on Feb 15, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
You mean a replacement like T.J. Yates?
by Tailgate Andy on Feb 15, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Never hurts to have another option.
On the off-chance that a fifth-round pick doesn’t turn into the QB of the future.
this is fair
but what value would be there that early??
We already have a project piece in Yates, and there don’t seem to be any blue-chippers past Griffin and Luck. However, I do like the “let’s go find a stud QB” sentiment. I’m always for finding a franchise QB.
this is a fair statement
but again: I think we can do with an interior OLinemen given the history of Brisiel. Also, what if we drafted another olb for the impending release of Mario? (Which I hope to God doesn’t happen).
WR is a 2nd/3rd round selection. I completely agree. Plus, I’d like to see what Lestar Jean has to offer too. Draft 2 receivers in mid round selections and have them compete with Jean.
I'm with Joe in the sense that I'm anti-OLB
I think the OLB/DE class is pathetically weak.
I hope they make it work with Mario…I’m not sipping the Brooks Reed Kool-Aid and would rather he be depth.
"Lord, beer me strength."
I thought Reed played well
is he gonna be a pro bowler probably not, but he is solid.
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
Our Andre, who art from Heaven, hallowed by thy name.
Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on Earth as it is in Canton.
think braman contributes/impacts as OLB depth nxt year?
by HigherFrequency on Feb 13, 2012 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
Possibly, but his primary job will still be special teams
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 15, 2012 12:55 AM CST up reply actions
that's my sentiment exactly.
I like Mario to stay. I think it just keeps our defense extremely awesome. We could use more pass rushers just ‘cuz,’ but if we keep Mario and have a healthy rotation of Mario, Barwin, and Reed, I’m ok with that.
Plus all the: “pro-NT” guys, I’d give that a bit of a skeptical look before we pull the trigger on another Travis Johnson or Okoye. Wade seems to have a definitive style of NT he likes: Cody/Mitchell/Jamison and that core was quite successful last season. Ideally, I’d always draft Olinemen and pass rushers at the deep end of the 1st round, but that’s just me.
anytime
youre a team as good as the Texans, you basically are playing with house money in the draft because you have the luxury of BPA.. I wouldnt want them to draft an OLB necessarily but hes at the top of the board, ya snag’em
I wana say hi to my haters, stay on your job ;) Go Houston sports!!
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Sunk cost
Did everyone forget the 2-14 season we endured to get Mario?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_cost
http://www.crawfishboxes.com
“Having paid the price of the ticket and having suffered watching a movie that he does not want to see”
It implies we had the option of not sucking that year. It’s like construction. You can’t remove the foundation and expect the building to stay firm. We aren’t talking about a 20 million dollar hit to the cap. If he can get a Demarcus Ware like deal(which he will have to no matter what), then there is no flippin reason to part ways. I don’t care if he becomes the highest paid defensive player in NFL History if the cap hit isn’t significant.
I figured that if I said it enough, I would convince the world that I really was the greatest.
~Muhammad Ali
there's no denying, however
that you have to let some people go if he returns under a big deal.
And not just Jacoby and Leinart.
I don’t think we have the money for Foster and Mario. But I really hope I’m wrong.
TJ must throw 30 times for us to win.
Ha ha...I called this last week
Stanford Routt visits the Texans. He’d look good across from Joseph. Probably too expensive though.
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
maybe he wants to
return to his college town and win a SB.
I’d do it. But I’m a Coog and a Texan fan, so I may be a little biased.
TJ must throw 30 times for us to win.
maybe he takes a pay cut to win
and we can cut Kareem.
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
Our Andre, who art from Heaven, hallowed by thy name.
Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on Earth as it is in Canton.
He'll take a pay cut regardless
I don’t see anyone dumping big money on a soon-to-be 29 year old corner and Oakland gave him J-Joe money. Unless he misses Houston/Texas/Winning, I don’t think he’s in Houston.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Pay cut yes, cut Kareem NO.
Kjax is looking much better. He should stay in the rotation.
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Feb 13, 2012 8:52 PM CST up reply actions
His contract
Is more then Watts.
Sickening
True arrogance has been displayed here- WestministerRavensfan or something
Hi My name is Jack, why don't you help me off?
That's because part of the new labor agreement is a rookie wage scale.
Jackson managed to just avoid getting hit by it. Watt wasn’t as lucky.
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by UprootedTexan on Feb 13, 2012 9:16 PM CST up reply actions
Regardless
I’ve distain for two Texans. No need to play guess who.
True arrogance has been displayed here- WestministerRavensfan or something
Hi My name is Jack, why don't you help me off?
Oxiclean will take care of that.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
by FreedomRide on Feb 14, 2012 9:16 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Oxiclean...humm, how does that compare to Clorox..tastewise?
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Feb 14, 2012 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
It lacks that lemony finish.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
by FreedomRide on Feb 14, 2012 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
More rustic I would imagine. A little nuttier maybe?
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Feb 14, 2012 10:48 AM CST up reply actions
And has more bubbles
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
I am Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on Feb 14, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
I will give Kareem credit for improving
but it was kinda hard for him to have gotten worse.
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
Our Andre, who art from Heaven, hallowed by thy name.
Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on Earth as it is in Canton.
I wonder what they'd offer him.
No way he’ll settle for a contract similar to Allen’s. Especially with the Titans looking for a replacement for Innegan,the Cowboys desperate for CB help the Chiefs potentially having to replace Brandon Carr.
They’d have to throw a nice sized contract at Routt to get him to come here.
Interesting link but i don’t see it happening. Besides I’d rather they throw that money at a different spot if they are going to spend it on a FA.
Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.
Does anyone care that Routt allowed 8 TDs last season and committed numerous penalties?
He is really not that good of a player.
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
Id rather get Brandon Carr.
Draft OLB in 1st round.
by YohannDookeyblue on Feb 13, 2012 9:50 PM CST reply actions
Something to consider about Routt
Everyone agrees that Routt played like ass last season. His agent won’t be able to convince anyone otherwise.
I assume the Raiders are going to be paying him SOMETHING next season given the contract he just signed, so Routt will be able to, and will need to, play for a bargain rate. He’ll want to do so on a short contract (1 to 2 years) so that he can prove to the league that he’s not a scrub, and thus hope to re-earn himself a massive payday.
Under this scenario, and coupled with the fact that he did really well when playing across Nnamdi, I would definitely want the Texans to check him out. Playing across JJo for a bargain rate could be just what Routt needs, and it could be just what the Texans need insurance-wise on the off-chance KJax doesn’t make additional progress and if Harris really is a bust.
Think Derrick Ward…
by La Voz on Feb 13, 2012 11:20 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
Yes, just what I was thinking.
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Feb 14, 2012 10:12 AM CST up reply actions
Plus, he could get a ring out of it.
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Feb 14, 2012 10:13 AM CST up reply actions
this would be
a very pragmatic way to handle Routt.
uhhh...awkward!
I figured that if I said it enough, I would convince the world that I really was the greatest.
~Muhammad Ali
by steelblue on Feb 13, 2012 11:23 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
I was JUST about to bring this up.
My opinion: if he is REMOTELY interested, I think we should make a super serious play. Of course, if he is capable to play. Think about it, if we’re talking about a recovering Schaub vs a recovering and hungry #18, I think we need to really take a hard look at Manning.
Oh, and anyone arguing against signing Mario, just stop. Mario is our #1 priority this offseason. He NEEDS to be signed.
don't jump the gun
priorities:
1. take care of our own first.
2. If our guys (the team) are ok with it give him a look, make sure he is healthy.
3. offer him a mediocre wage (say 5-8 mil cap hit).
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Feb 14, 2012 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
totally
I am referring ONLY to the “ideal” situation in which Schaub and Manning are at the same level of health. If that situation is presented to us…come on bro, we almost HAVE to go Manning, right?
I would say no, we do NOT have to if they are equally healthy.
The only way it makes any sense is if Peyton’s (throwing) health is 100% and Schaub’s isn’t.
Bringing Peyton in would create difficult situations and would be far from a lock to get the team to the SB.
- The run action boot is a huge weapon in the Texans’ ZBS, West Coast offense, but can Peyton be a roll out passer? Big changes would probably have to be made.
- The locker room upheaval might destroy what is presently excellent team chemistry.
- Peyton is used to being the boss of the offense. How would that work with Kubiak and Dennison? This would be another big culture change.
Peyton is not a hired gun like Brett Favre, he is a coach on the field. If you bring him in, you have to let Peyton be Peyton, or else why did you bother? Making him the starting QB would turn the Texans’ world upside down.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
by FreedomRide on Feb 16, 2012 8:56 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
NO
No. No. No. and FUCK NO. Schaub is our man. We cannot and will not switch to a manning offense after everything we have done to build this offense into what it is.
by SoCalTexan on Feb 13, 2012 11:30 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
as if Manning
would take an excessive amount of time to learn this playbook? Or that he would be any worse than Schaub is with 5 years experience in this? This is PEYTON MANNING we are talking about. Not TJ Yates, not Brett Favre, not Andrew Luck, not Cam Newton, not Trent Dilfer. PEYTON F-ING MANNING. Do you not understand the magnitude of those two words????
Who is notorious for running his own show!
How many times do how many different people need to say this in how many different ways people! Peyton Manning, while an amazing QB, RUNS THE WHOLE SHOW ON OFFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He and Kubiak/Dennison would NOT mesh.
Several someones need to watch the final game on the movie The Replacements…..for some reason I keep seeing Peyton in the Martel role there. He throws miles over the head of OD and then screams at OD for not being able to jump like superman? Throws it behind Walter then screams at him for running the wrong route when the ENTIRE rest of the team heard the same play call and knows Walter ran the right route? Sorry, but that is the fiasco I see on the field EVERY time Peyton coming here is brought up. UGH!
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
If I was Peyton, I would go to the Jaguars.
You get to see the Colts twice a year. The Jaguars are like the Texans. They just need WRs. If you’re a FA WR, why wouldn’t you go to Jax with Peyton there. I think that’s probably his best case.
I figured that if I said it enough, I would convince the world that I really was the greatest.
~Muhammad Ali
and a possibility
for Reggie Wayne too. But, they have a new coach and too much turnover. I’m not sure that’s a great fit. The Broncos make more sense: solid running game, cap space to sign Wayne, and DThomas and Decker.
But, let’s not act like we are players for a healthy Manning sweepstakes. I have a hard time believing that if the Texans felt comfortable with Manning’s health, they wouldn’t sign him to a 1-2 year deal and swap Schaub for 2 2nd rounders or a 1st round pick.
So we get 1-2 years of Peyton and then what?
When he retires we will all feel so stupid for getting rid of Schaub going into his prime years.
Schaub's in his prime??
that’s news for me. Plus, did you forget about one: TJ Yates. And, if we end up winning a superbowl during those 1-2 years, are u going to be complaining about Matt Schaub? Really??
It just feels cheap to me.
We are getting a rental superbowl victory. It’s kind of like that Brett Favre deal where the Texans will be forgotten and it will be Peyton Manning’s super bowl. Like he got a bunch of scrubs there.
I figured that if I said it enough, I would convince the world that I really was the greatest.
~Muhammad Ali
I respectfully disagree.
A superbowl is a superbowl. I can’t believe we are going to turn this into an Oprah Book club of emotions when it comes to finding the BEST players it takes to win. (I HAAAAAAAATE when Houston sports fans do this btw)
Plus, if he does win with us, people will also remember the hall of famers Andre Johnson (and possible hall of famer Arian Foster) on our team too.
Look at it both ways, if Peyton comes in here, wins a ring, and AJ gets one, do u not feel he will be the first shoe-in Texan into the hall of fame??? People will remember us as a great team with Peyton leading the way. I think, if Peyton’s healthy, you pull the trigger and trade Schaub: done.
People will remember Peyton for getting Houston a ring
They won’t remember the team that could have done it with Schaub.
I wonder if Peyton can play here for 6-7 years and gets retired as a Texan.
Like Drexler. Drexler got retired by both Franchises though.
I figured that if I said it enough, I would convince the world that I really was the greatest.
~Muhammad Ali
ya
but WHO CARES?!?!?! we would have been champions!!!
I don't know.
It’s a special feeling when you build something from scratch and take it all the way to the top. With Matt Schaub back, I feel like we have the best team in the NFL regardless. We have a rushing champ, passing leader, receiving leader, and now a top notch defense. Not a single team in the NFL can come close to—not just the balance- but elite balance. We have no weaknesses. We just need to heal this off season and take what’s ours.
I figured that if I said it enough, I would convince the world that I really was the greatest.
~Muhammad Ali
I know what ur sayin SB
but I try not to let my emotions trump the BIG one. I totally understand how u feel (Rockets ‘94 and ’95), but I think we’d be lying to ourselves if we wouldn’t enjoy the notariety, attention, and bragging rights we’d have over the rest of the league. I’d feel so vindicated after years of mediocrity and “what if’s”….
Pretty much this
Schaub has to be first choice, but he has to be healthy too. My loyalty to schaub extends to his ability to play. I hope his arm gets back to what it is supposed to be, but if not, I don’t mind looking at Manning.
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by professortex on Feb 14, 2012 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
Assuming Manning is capable of being better than Schaub week 1.
That’s not a foregone conclusion.
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"Will it never be noon?" Duke of Orleans to the Dauphin and Constable of France every Sunday before the Texans play.
by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 14, 2012 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
Of course
IF the Texans ever even had a thought about Manning, health would be the #1 priority.
"He was in my way, so I got him out of the way." - Arian Foster
by Catallac392 on Feb 14, 2012 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
I watched a decent amount of Texans games last season...
And I’m pretty confident Peyton could learn your guys playbook pretty easily and probably add a ton of stuff to boot. The hand-off, hand-off, screen pass offense isn’t that complicated.
That being said, do I want Peyton to go to the Texans? FUCK NO.
Deep in the human unconscious is a pervasive need for a logical universe that makes sense. But the real universe is always one step beyond logic.
-from The Sayings of Muad'Dib by the Princess Irulan
by peytonsurdaddy on Feb 14, 2012 7:17 AM CST up reply actions
you haven't seen
Kubiak’s play sheet.
It must be a really big font if it just has “hand off, hand off, screen pass.”
TJ must throw 30 times for us to win.
He does squint a lot.
Maybe he’s got vision problems.
Deep in the human unconscious is a pervasive need for a logical universe that makes sense. But the real universe is always one step beyond logic.
-from The Sayings of Muad'Dib by the Princess Irulan
by peytonsurdaddy on Feb 14, 2012 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
The only reason I say no is because no one knows if Peyton will even be able to play
Even if he is cleared to play, I would still wonder if the first time he is hit he would crumble and be done for the year. He is an upgrade over Schaub if healthy no doubt about it, but the “if healthy” part is too big of a risk for me.
"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce
If Peyton is interested...
you really have to go for it…it’s not like schaub will be 100 percent healthy…and odds are that wayne would follow peyton to be a number 2 next to AJ…question is, how does Schaub fit…does he back up Peyton just in case, or does he bounce…
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Feb 13, 2012 11:47 PM CST reply actions
he'd certainly be traded
for draft picks. He’s a free agent next season, so actually we’d have to make a decision on Schaub regardless of Peyton. If we can lock Peyton up for two seasons, make a legit playoff run and nab a couple of 2nd rounders for Schaub or a 1st round pick, we could theoretically get a blue chip QB down the road too. However, I’m fine with Peyton and Yates for the next 2 seasons.
Well now, that brings up another point
How tight is AJ with Schaub? if we bring in Peyton, will AJ be ok with it? If Schaub has health problems, probably not. But if Schaub is healthy, this kind of move might be more harmful than helpful. Team would take a confidence hit.
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Feb 14, 2012 10:26 AM CST up reply actions
I gauarantee you it would be a locker room distraction
Schaub has earned the loyalty of his teammates since the day it was announced he would be David Carr’s replacement. I doubt bringing a former division rival in to replace him would sit well with a large portion of the team.
I fear bringing Manning in would be exactly like Favre to the Jets or Vikings. Either he will not be able to handle the transition to a completely foreign offense and the team will struggle, or we’ll see short term success followed immediately by an aging QB getting beat down into retirement.
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by Hydroshock on Feb 15, 2012 10:31 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm not even remotely worried about it now.
The media has effectively nixed the idea with new rumors of more problems with his neck. Peyton is gonna have red marks all over him where teams have been poking him with ten foot poles.
I fully doubt that any team will entertain the notion of bringing him in.
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Feb 16, 2012 12:02 AM CST up reply actions
if he's even remotely healthy
I think SOMEONE will entertain the notion
Some desperate, no-franchise-QB-having team, yes.
Not the Texans, unless they have already decided they have a serious QB problem.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
Is there anyway salary cap wise
That you can get Peyton with Reggie, Resign Foster, Resign Mario/Myers/Briesel….
then pay for rookies
then probably got to restructure and cut bunch of guys…
by EveryHoustonTeamRox! on Feb 13, 2012 11:48 PM CST reply actions
Hypothetically speaking,
We get Reggie on a minimum contract. Peyton with a minimum wage incentive filled contract. We get to keep Foster and Briesel, but Mario and Myers will walk. We can draft that Center that every draft “expert” keeps talking about.
I figured that if I said it enough, I would convince the world that I really was the greatest.
~Muhammad Ali
ssssssssss
I like your ambition steel. However, I am not a proponent of letting Mario walk. I value Mario very highly. I’d let Ward, Leinart, JJones, Dreessen all walk and restructure others to make Mario fit into our long term plans (make it an even deal with a high signing bonus to soften the salary cap blow). Our defense needs to be stellar going into next season, and w/ Peyton the more pass rushers the more deadly we’d be.
This
Mario > Manning for our needs.
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Feb 14, 2012 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
also steel
Manning or not, I’d go with drafting an interior OL in this year’s first round newayz. So, I see where you’re going with this.
LOL
If you think Reggie is going to take a vet minimum contract you’re crazy.
Deep in the human unconscious is a pervasive need for a logical universe that makes sense. But the real universe is always one step beyond logic.
-from The Sayings of Muad'Dib by the Princess Irulan
by peytonsurdaddy on Feb 14, 2012 7:20 AM CST up reply actions
I think the Texans should al least take a look at Peyton
I don’t know I’m really starting to doubt that Schaub will be fully ready by training camp. I don’t know about you guys but I much rather have a hobbled Peyton than a hobbled Schaub.
by TheDream34 on Feb 13, 2012 11:57 PM CST via mobile reply actions 3 recs
EXAAAAAAAAAAACTLY DREAM!!!
that’s my point exactly! if he’s available, and he’s interested, and we can fit him in our salary cap (along with Mario), that HAS to be a dream scenario man.
You can't fit the greatest QB of all time
AND the greatest defensive player in Texan history, AND the great RB in Texan history, AND the best center in the NFL, AND our best red zone passing threat, AND 7 rounds worth of rookies in the same team when we only have 3.3 million in cap space available. It is literally impossible.
we are going to have more than 3.3million in cap room this off season...
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
Our Andre, who art from Heaven, hallowed by thy name.
Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on Earth as it is in Canton.
exactly
it’s nearly 26 mil of cap space, and we have to consider the possibility of restructuring contracts and letting go guys like: Leinart, Ward, JJones, Dreesen, Jason Allen, etc.
For the record, rookies salaries count a bit differently. I think you have “separate” cap space for signing rookies.
well. He includes Marios gigantic 18 million dollar contract in there.\
I figured that if I said it enough, I would convince the world that I really was the greatest.
~Muhammad Ali
exactly
and ur not considering the idea that we might restructure, cut Jacoby, Leinart, Ward, Dreessen, and Jason Allen. There is plenty of cap space. It’s been reported at somewhere in the ball park of 26 mil (without the cuts) and if they raise the cap space by 5 mil, we’ll have 31 mil to work with before we cut anyone. I’m thinking we have more space than we are thinking we do. Obviously we’d be stretched to the limit if we sign Peyton and Mario and extend Foster, but I’d be ok with doing all of that if it meant trading Schaub for draft picks and using our 1st rounder on a center. I honestly think we can make all the aformentioned moves happen within cap space.
I think we should retain Jason Allen.
Him along with Kareem is good. Kareem needs someone to challenge him.
I figured that if I said it enough, I would convince the world that I really was the greatest.
~Muhammad Ali
I figured
with the emergence of Brice McCain, possibility of Brandon Harris upstaging both Allen and Kareem, and a cheap veteran corner, we might have enough to let Allen walk. Personally, I like Allen too, but again: if we can retain Mario, sign Peyton, and extend Foster (in that order) with this year’s cap space: I think that would be the ideal situation. If that meant sacrificing Allen for KJax and BHarris, I think we live with it.
So we cut 5 players
To get 31 mil in cap space. Figure 10-11 of that goes to Mario. 5 of that goes to Arian (maybe). Another 3 to Myers. We get 12 million alotted for rookies according to the CBA under a seperate cap, so take them out. We resign Dreesen for 1-2 mil. Probably keep Jacoby just because we can’t get anything for him on the market and we might as well have him for depth. All told we’re looking at maybe, MAYBE 8-10 mil in space if we let Leinart and Allen walk. That’s being extremely generous too considering we don’t know if any of these contracts will be front loaded.
Bottom line, Peyton Manning plays for no team for 8 million a year. Contender or not.
You can also trade Schaub for a late 1st or early 2nd to clear even more space
Check out The Dream Shake.
by Patrick Harrel on Feb 14, 2012 7:02 AM CST up reply actions
This
IF we signed Peyton (not happening) we would almost certainly trade/cut Schaub. You don’t pay your backup QB 7 mil or whatever teh Schuab will make this year.
"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce
imagine
the training camp if they were both here.
This is “Schaub’s team,” and here comes Peyton.
Would be disaster.
TJ must throw 30 times for us to win.
Yeah. If Peyton arrives, Schaub leaves at the same time.
That’s automatic; the locker room would implode, otherwise.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
by FreedomRide on Feb 14, 2012 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
I think it does anyway.
With the scenario of bringing in peighton.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
Yep. The more I think about it, the more it seems like a nightmare.
I don’t think the guys would hate Peyton if they understood Schaub was gone because of injury problems, but he’d still have a lot of new relationships to form and a short time to do it.
If it was a straight attempt at a performance upgrade, Peyton would have some serious resentment to overcome, I believe.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
Even if Schaub has a major problem
I don’t think bringing in Peyton at this time makes sense. We don’t know if he can play at all.
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"Will it never be noon?" Duke of Orleans to the Dauphin and Constable of France every Sunday before the Texans play.
by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 17, 2012 9:57 AM CST up reply actions
So, it's Mario or Manning?
Allow me to place my palms face-up and mimic a scale as I weigh the two options.
Yea. I think I’ve made my decision. I suppose we could always just sign Mario Manningham and have the best of both worlds, though.
Mario will probably get a 8 - 9 mil cap hit next year.
prob . 7 Mil for Arian, 5 for Myers.
The 31 mil is before they cut players if we include cap space increase that all teams will probably get.
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Feb 14, 2012 10:36 AM CST up reply actions
ya
and we’d trade Schaub too. Plus, chances are we’re not returning a majority of those guys anyways. Oh, and we’re forgetting that Studdard was on IR and he’ll get cut too. We’re going to make some significant cuts, we’re not as “strapped” as we’d like to think we are.
I heard talk that Allen doesn't want to be here.
If true, he may not be here next year anyways.
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by professortex on Feb 14, 2012 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
Peyton can't throw
teh Schaub “hobbled” – how much slower can he be?
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by Barryfromtexas on Feb 14, 2012 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
MAn, I just watched the Reggie White/Jerome Brown A Football LIfe
And came this close to tears. They were a hell of a defense in the late 80s early 90s. Hope we can be as good as them, but actually win a Superbowl…
by YohannDookeyblue on Feb 14, 2012 12:04 AM CST reply actions
I know somebody close to Routt...
He said Routt is also considering the Vikings.
Sonicsgate: A movie about how the Sonics were stolen from Seattle.
Don't trade Courtney Lee!
by .Bonzo on Feb 14, 2012 12:11 AM CST reply actions 3 recs
Teh sourcez!!!!!!!!1!!!!1
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by peytonsurdaddy on Feb 14, 2012 7:25 AM CST up reply actions
completely random
u think the Giants would do a sign/trade: Mario for Pierre-Paul? lol.
I wouldn't
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Our Andre, who art from Heaven, hallowed by thy name.
Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on Earth as it is in Canton.
No way they do it. Pierre-Paul is younger and more versatile imo.
I figured that if I said it enough, I would convince the world that I really was the greatest.
~Muhammad Ali
Not in a million years.
Aside from the fact that sign and trades never happen in football. Just basketball, I think.
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by UprootedTexan on Feb 14, 2012 12:22 AM CST up reply actions
i know, i know.
I was honing in my crazy armchair GM. He’s been quiet all season, he just recently felt the need to lust over JPierrePaul.
What's everyone's take on Moss?
Any interest?
I figured that if I said it enough, I would convince the world that I really was the greatest.
~Muhammad Ali
no way
he’s a lazy cancer bro. That’s precisely why I want Peyton, he’s the opposite. lol.
but to be fair to Moss
he was absolutely amazing when he was in his prime.
He isn't what we need in a WR2 anyways
Not even close to a WCO WR2.
by The Arian Race on Feb 14, 2012 2:23 AM CST up reply actions
I'm a household name... at my house.
Michael Vick is the best throwing running back of all time.
My put your name on it prediction for the Housotn Texans.
10-6, with a first round playoff upset over either the Ravens or Steelers.
by taylorrohrman on Feb 14, 2012 12:44 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No x 1,000,000
Luckily our front office would never make that mistake.
"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce
No. Just...just...no.
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Supreme Galactic Editor of Battle Red Onion.
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by UprootedTexan on Feb 14, 2012 9:24 AM CST up reply actions
Moss? Umm...no.
Revis called him a slacker, and he was right. Moss’s problem is that he’s bad for team morale but he doesn’t get why. He loafs when he’s not targeted, and he apparently cannot understand how that hurts his team.
Belichick denied Moss was taking plays off, but of course he would never say such a thing about a player in public. Bottom line, he traded Moss with no deep receiver to put in his place—that tells you what he really thought of him.
Moss was a locker room disaster in his next two stops; there’s no reason to think he’d be any different in Houston.
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Chris Carter
Called him out big time yesterday. Said he’s got a “quit factor” in him beyond anything he’s ever seen from any other player. When things don’t go right for him he shuts it down.
That’s from the mouth of a guy that should be going in the HOF this year.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
...and was Moss's mentor and friend.
If anyone brings Moss in this year, it will be one of the NFL’s perennial knucklehead franchises.
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-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
by FreedomRide on Feb 15, 2012 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
They deserve each other.
I hope they consummate the marriage.
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-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
The ensuing overblown media frenzy would be quite memorable
by brightshinies on Feb 17, 2012 12:57 AM CST up reply actions
Can you imagine... both Mannings in New York???? YIKES!!
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Never try to baptize a cat.
I said this elsewhere
Moss quit playing football 2 years ago
Moss retired 1 year ago
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by Barryfromtexas on Feb 14, 2012 11:28 AM CST up reply actions
Just some inside information on Stanford
My football coach is best friends with him and he told me that his first 2 choices are The Titans (Most likely) and The Bills. He’s looking at ~29M for 4-5 years preferably. I think he’d be again one of the best CB2s in the league if we got him, but we won’t because even if those 2 deals fall through there are all the AFC West teams and The Cowboys who are all looking for some corners and are willing to pay for them.
Dallas and Houston fan making it work. Gig 'em!
Pancakes says...
Texans have nothing lined up with Stanford Routt. They’re cap strapped and can’t spend on UFAs other than their own. Mario is top priority.
2012 1st round draft pick is...............
Which means Routt will now sign with Houston, of course. Reverse-pancakeism.
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by Stupendous Man on Feb 14, 2012 9:52 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
This is ok by me
I think its the best thing to take care of our own first. Mario needs to stay. On the other hand, If we did get anything in FA, another CB would be my choice. All our other needs can be had from draft, I think.
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Feb 14, 2012 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
If not Stanford
I think we def get a quality CB. We’re losing half of our CB2.
TJ must throw 30 times for us to win.
Seriously
I have zero cares with anything Pancakes says. He is not a reliable source.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
y is it that
everytime u guys refer to “Pancakes” i actually get hungry for pancakes?? Stupid BRB hypnosis.
I'm always hungry for pancakes
Note: the ‘p’ is not capitalized.
by brightshinies on Feb 16, 2012 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
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