Report: Peyton Manning "Definitely Interested In Possibly Coming To The Texans"
When Rivers first texted me about this last night, I debated whether I should even draft a post in response to Bob Allen's report. Then I read the flurry of commentary the news item inspired in this post, so I decided we should at least have a forum for the discussion, even though I happen to believe the story is a complete non-story. Let's examine what was reported and react accordingly after the jump.
Bob Allen said:
Someone I know who is close friends with the Manning family says Peyton is definitely interested in possibly coming to the Texans. Peyton will be released by the Colts early next month and will be a free agent. The person who knows the Mannings says Peyton wants to play on a team that has a chance of going to a Super Bowl, and the Texans fit that description.
Another big plus is that the Texans are in the Colts division. Manning not only knows the division, but I'm told the relationship between him and Colts owner Robert Irsay now is strictly business. And don't underplay the competitiveness between Peyton and Eli -- it "does" matter that Eli has two Super Bowl rings to his one.
My immediate reaction, and then it's all yours in the Comments...
1. "[D]efinitely interested in possibly coming..."? That's news? I have no doubt that Peyton Manning is "definitely interested in possibly coming" to any team that would give him a fighting chance to win another championship.
2. In a wholly unrelated story, I am definitely interested in possibly coming to Belize tonight. Don't feel mislead when I'm laying on my couch and watching TV this evening. It's not like I guaranteed, or even said it was probable, that I'd be elsewhere.
3. Assuming Peyton is healthy (and that's a gigantic "if") and truly wants to come to Houston, where is the money coming from to pay him? The Texans have a whole lot of their own players to sign. If Peyton Manning was to sign with the Texans, it almost necessarily means that, among other moves, Matt Schaub is cut, Mario Williams walks, Chris Myers walks, Arian Foster doesn't get a long-term deal, there is no Duane Brown extension, and so on. Adding Peyton at the expense of those guys does not make the Texans better.
4. For all the talk of Peyton being agreeable to signing an incentive-laden deal, how exactly would that work? He signs a one-year contract for $5,000,000.00 with a $25,000,000.00 bonus if his new team wins the Super Bowl? Is such a thing even permissible under the CBA? Is that something the players' union would want to see happen?
5. Peyton Manning at 100% > Matt Schaub at 100%. After that (e.g., Peyton Manning at 75% compared to Matt Schaub at 90%), it's all conjecture, especially when you factor in Schaub's fit in this offense and Peyton's lack of practice/familarity with the west coast scheme Gary Kubiak runs. That's not to say Peyton wouldn't or couldn't pick Kubiak's scheme up, or that Kubes wouldn't adjust what the Texans do to play to Peyton's strengths, but it may not be as seamless as you might hope. Not to say it's apples to apples, because it most certainly is not, but Brett Favre struggled when he went from the offense he ran in Green Bay his entire career to a totally different scheme with the Jets. Even for a player as great and smart as Peyton Manning, it isn't plug-and-play.
I'm sure I left a thought or two out. I'm equally sure you'll pick up that slack in the Comments. Bottom line: I cannot fathom a way that Peyton Manning is the QB of your Houston Texans in 2012. Bob Allen's report is grist for the slow February rumor mill, but that's about it.
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I'm definitely interested in possibly
Knowing what Rob Lowe has to say about this.
by winohamster on Feb 14, 2012 8:03 AM CST via mobile reply actions 13 recs
I had to rec this.
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
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allow me to greenit
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
So we have a definite possibility of a firm maybe.
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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 14, 2012 8:19 AM CST reply actions
SO YOU'RE TELLIN' ME THERE'S A CHANCE!!!
This is dumb, Kubiak will not want to take a chance on a less than 100% Manning screwing up our Super Bowl run.
Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!
by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 14, 2012 8:25 AM CST reply actions
A foot injury on our 5 yr starter
or a neck injury on a guy thats never played in our offense? Ill take my chances with Schaub
Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!
by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 14, 2012 8:35 AM CST up reply actions
or a shoulder injury they've been hiding for the last two seasons causing Schaub to have bad accuracy and no deep pass ability getting 'Dre killed
Cmon
You cant hold an imaginary injury against Schaub but assume Peighton will be good to go.
Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!
by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 14, 2012 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
OK, let's consider that further.
Schaub has an “imaginary” injury that every fan has witnessed through 2010 and partial 2011 seasons resulting in:
’Dre not getting hit in stride on deep routes and having to slow or stop to catch the ball, allowing the defense to catch up with him and tackle inside the red zone instead of for a TD
Shoelace low passes, that SOME of the targets (TE, WR, RB) dig out for a reception but no yards after catch
Shoelace low passes that go incomplete
Passes behind or over the receiver
Interception that have been appropriately nicknamed the “WTF Pick of the Game” each week
So based on this observation, and speculation by many sports writers and fans since the Texans and Schaub have not disclosed anything about a shoulder injury, Schaub has:
- A significantly regressed throwing arm for unknown reasons
- A significantly regressed throwing arm due to injury
He hasn’t thrown like he did between 2007-2009, and why is that?
by MeMongo on Feb 14, 2012 9:30 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Or he is just not that good a QB
He is about split on good years to bad years. I wonder which is the default.
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by professortex on Feb 14, 2012 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
before I get jumped on here let me qualify that statement.
I meant in relative terms. I think Schaub is a good QB overall. The question is is he as good as 2007 – 2009, or 2010 – 2011?
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Feb 14, 2012 9:52 AM CST up reply actions
Matt Schaub
7th most accurate passer in NFL history.
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by bigfatdrunk on Feb 14, 2012 10:01 AM CST up reply actions
Was he as good?
No. Was it an outlier? I believe so.
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by bigfatdrunk on Feb 14, 2012 10:10 AM CST up reply actions
no running game
had to throw.
I think we churn out yards, just more on the ground when it works.
Kubiak knows him some offense.
TJ must throw 30 times for us to win.
I think MeMongo is referring to visual evidence
not statistics. Schaub LOOKs really sloppy, with underthrows, off timing, and no zip.
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Feb 14, 2012 10:55 AM CST up reply actions
I don't think Schaubs two good seasons were an outlier
I think we threw the ball so much because we were losing all the time or didn’t have a running game or both.
When he throws more, he gets into a rhythm. When we’re behind, they play zone, let us churn out yards, etc.
He always made the one bad pass per game. He missed some guys. He was a good QB in this system, and I expect if we’re losing, we’ll see similar numbers. But if we have Tate/Foster and the same OL and we’re winning, I think we’ll see a modest statistical year from Schaub. And we’ll win. And that’s a great thing.
TJ must throw 30 times for us to win.
Acknowledged. makes sense.
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by professortex on Feb 14, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
Both, I thought.
He seemed less accurate in general than 2007-2009, especially on deep throws.
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by FreedomRide on Feb 14, 2012 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
This I hope. If correct, we shouldn't even think about replacing him.
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Feb 14, 2012 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
I thought he had found his groove again before he went down
unfortunately the injury put a stop to it
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
Who, Manning?
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
dude he's awesome
We got him in a package deal with joseph. He plays safety.
by CJ3m on Feb 14, 2012 5:17 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
And David Carr is better than Eli.
41st vs. 60 (in a tie with Moon).
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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 14, 2012 10:07 AM CST up reply actions
sorry but he is not the solution
peightun shoots lasers out of his eyes. he hits receivers in their hands which means jacoby would become a hall of famer and johnson would become the greatest receiver evar times 1000. foster would average 100 yards a carry and mary-o williams would play here and teleport to another team. ans till average 12 sacks. a quarter. shaun cody would become better than wilfork, suh, and amino combined. kareem would not only have his own island but his own world. nobody would even land on his planet. because fuck it. we might as well go full retard.
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by NoSafetiesNeeded on Feb 14, 2012 10:10 AM CST up reply actions 9 recs
so thats why the extra forehead
It houses the fire-control radar and computer.
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by professortex on Feb 14, 2012 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
THAT'S what that is....
I knew that looked familiar. lulz Looks just like the radome on an AC-130!
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
Or Navy Phalanx dome....lol
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by professortex on Feb 14, 2012 5:50 PM CST up reply actions
"because fuck it. we might as well go full retard"
This broke me up!
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
Stats, misleading.. I go by the eye test
The Oakland was the final nail that showed me what hes made of
I wana say hi to my haters, stay on your job ;) Go Houston sports!!
david sperm.. you fugly tyrant
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by HB23 on Feb 15, 2012 9:41 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Dude
You’ve been down on him since you started commenting here!
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Schaub never had great arm strength
I thought he looked overly inaccurate at time THIS year and only this year, and I too believe it to be an outlier. However, the “wtf picks” are just his lack of elite football brains coming through. Does Manning have elite football brains? The best. Does a fully healthy Manning help us more than a fully healthy Schaub? yes. But Manning is the opposite of healthy right now and the decision will have to be made way before we know any better. Not.Worth.it.
Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!
by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 14, 2012 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
Go back and watch some 2010 games or archived game threads
Schaub really struggled and everyone was wondering wtf happened to the great passing game we had from 2009 when he was the Pro-Bowl MVP. A lot of folks figured it was the difference of Babyshan leaving and Dennison coming in. Others thought there was a non-publicized injury to Schaub’s rotator cuff (me included). And then many said Schaub struggles to balance passes with a strong running game, since 2010 was our break out season for Foster.
This Schaub issue of passes being off target, with reduced arm strength for the deep pass started in 2010.
He has never had a strong arm
I don’t think theres a hidden injury, he just doesn’t have a deep ball.
The Houston Texans: The Ron Paul of the NFL.
Schaub wasn't as accurate as I saw in 09
However, this year, he had several nice long throws precisely on the mark.
He has several overthrows which the “arm strength” or “phantom injury” argument seems to be invalid.
Several long throws are right on the money – see this video of 2011 highlights (1st half) – I do not buy the phantom injury nor the arm strength argument.
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by Barryfromtexas on Feb 14, 2012 11:01 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Here is the highlights I was referring to
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH_pJVEOz-E
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by Barryfromtexas on Feb 14, 2012 11:10 AM CST up reply actions
Keep it going MeMongo
ur making my argument for me.
Got the Schaub hate cranked up again, huh?
And I was starting to think you were reformed. ; )
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
lol
I mean, again if it were theoretically a healthy Schaub vs a healthy Peyton…I’m deferring to Peyton. lol, but I’ve come around on Schaub, I have no problem with a healthy #8 going into next season as our starter.
Not to mention losing the players Tim mentions
Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!
by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 14, 2012 8:37 AM CST up reply actions
if Peyton wants that kind of money, the Texans won't do it
He’d have to want the ring more than money to come here, and we’d only lose Mario and Schaub as a result. Mario is probably gone anyway, because he’s going to want $80M+ and isn’t worth that kind of coin
Much like my Threesome with Natalie Portman and Megan Fox
ITS NEVER GONNA HAPPEN!!!!!!!
…………….. But a man can dream
by Dave Orr on Feb 14, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
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by Carter Liles on Feb 14, 2012 5:59 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
nope throw in sofia vergara and that might work
everybody here loves milfs
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by NoSafetiesNeeded on Feb 14, 2012 8:38 PM CST up reply actions
Salma Hayek anyone?
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 15, 2012 1:12 AM CST up reply actions
No matter how fine the one you have is,
after a few weeks, the other one is always finer.
Maturity simply allows you to identify “fine enough”.
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Feb 15, 2012 9:09 AM CST up reply actions
Reminds me of a saying I once heard
Show me the hottest woman in the world and I will show you the guy that is tired of sleeping with her. You see it all the time when these insanely hot women get cheated on, and the majority of the time it is with someone who is arguably not even as attractive.
"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce
Good point...
But just cause a woman is hot, it doesn’t mean they’re good in bed or a nice person to b with. That’s why dudes get tired of them and cheat. Besides, we’re not taking this THAT seriously…these r just our fantasy girls.
by supersisko on Feb 15, 2012 9:28 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Yep. Here are some interesting facts.
Statistically, Women are more likely to cheat on their spouse than men are.
Approximately, the same percentage of men and women admit to infidelity. 54-57 %
Men are more likely to admit to infidelity than women (generally, among men it is a matter accomplishment, while women need to protect their and their spouses reputation).
Approximately, the same percentage of men and women say the would have an affair if they thought they wouldn’t get caught. 68-74 %
Women have a higher biological motivation to sleep around. (increases positive gene pool). A woman’s biologically ideal situation is to have one steady, secure provider mate, but a wide genetic pool for procreation.
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Feb 15, 2012 9:41 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Industry information shows
that cases against cheating spouses is pretty much even between men and women. Half of all cases are against women. This is interesting as women used to be more so inclined to hire a private investigator than men. Times are a changing.
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by Barryfromtexas on Feb 15, 2012 1:07 PM CST up reply actions
Never, NEVER spy on the wife.
You do NOT want to know, anyway. Ignorance is bliss.
/spied; regretted it
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-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
i just imagined being "cleavaged" to death by Sofia and Salma...
I would die a happy man. tear
by supersisko on Feb 15, 2012 11:53 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Great write up Tim
You basically hit on all my thoughts. First, it isn’t happening so this is all speculative. That aside, my biggest concern would be health. Even if he is cleared to play, what happens the first time he takes a big hit? That is too much of a risk IMO,and is the main reason I would say no. I think they could make the money work assuming Mario walks. That would give them a pretty good amount of cap space, and they would almost assuredly cut/trade Schaub for a little more.
"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce
Interesting scenario, and maybe Peyton doesn't do it for the money but for the ring just to prove a point
and show his former team’s owner there was more to it after all.
So many positives to consider as you listed and a few more:
- If he is even above 70%, this would be huge and greatly increase our chances at a championship
- He could mentor TJ or another future QB for the Texans, and this might be worth the price of admission alone
- His future as an OC could start here after retirement, as Dennison may be looking for his next gig by then
Why consider it?:
- If Schaub actually returns to his 2007-2009 ability we don’t need to consider it, but if he comes back with the same borked throwing issues (shoe laces, behind receivers and lacking deep pass strength) then we are already in a situation at QB needing to be addressed quickly before the rest of the team’s performance window closes. You only get a few years of an exceptional roster formula before it changes significantly as players get injured, traded, etc.
- Peyton doesn’t exactly fit our west coast scheme, but he is gifted enough that I could see him fitting it and working with Kubiak on other variations for a very intriguing offensive portfolio to keep defenses baffled
- If Peyton doesn’t look to break the bank and is really after a ring, we may not have to give up that much to sign him. More than likely Mario would be gone, but he may be anyway. There are 4-3 defenses out there with an $80M+ check waiting for him that we can’t afford to counter, and he’s not worth that kind of money anyway.
- I could see a 3 year deal for Peyton at $8M per year with a $10M SB bonus if we let Mario and Schaub go (again, assuming Schaub doesn’t return 100% arm and foot)
Why not consider it?:
- It could be very disruptive if Peyton, Dennison and Kubiak lock horns on running the offense a certain way.
- It could change the external perception of the Texans, that it was Peyton all along who owned this division despite it being a team sport
- It would damn near solidify the eternal debate that it takes an elite QB to win in the NFL, scrubs and journeymen be damned
by MeMongo on Feb 14, 2012 8:30 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Schaub vs. Peyton
Let’s debate this. I think that Peyton is leaps and bounds better than Schaub both at 100%. Would he be better at 70%?
The odds are much higher that Schaub will return closer to his top form that Petyon, but how healthy does Peyton really need to be to surpass Schaub? In my opinion it is too much of a gamble and we would end up losing too much else and probably paying him too much too.
I haven’t looked at any #s but is there any scenario where when keep Schaub and get Peyton, while also at least keeping Arian?
If all the stars align we could be in multiple superbowls.
From what I have read....
this could very well be what happens.
It could be very disruptive if Peyton, Dennison and Kubiak lock horns on running the offense a certain way
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
I think this is the bulk of the argument
us PRO-Peyton people are making. There is absolutely NO reason to completely disregard the possibility. If Peyton wants to play here, I say we give him a call, try him out, see if he is healthier or equally healthy to Schaub.
Other than health (which is a huge factor mind you) I don’t see much downside. He is arguably the greatest QB in history with a chip on his shoulder and a desire to play. The “he is less experienced than Schaub” argument I think means nothing considering how experienced Peyton is PERIOD, and how quickly he is capable of absorbing a playbook. He’s Peyton Manning man. I just don’t see why people are so “hesitant.” We are at the CUSP of a superbowl, and Peyton could be what sends us over the top. If he’s affordable, AND we can retain Mario, I say make the deal happen. That’s just me.
That's the problem.
absorbing a playbook
So playbook absorbed or not, Manning is notorious for controlling the offense on the field all by himself. Hell, he even gives blocking assignments to the Olinemen iirc! And you think Kubes is going to let him come in here and do that? ZBS does not require blocking assignments, it’s block the guy in front of you, chip if it’s two on one, and get to the next level. Please pass whatever it is you’re smoking, toking, or mainlining cuz it’s some goooood shit!
I feel like peighton would just be one HUGE distraction if he was brought here. As has been mentioned elsewhere numerous times, this offense is about the system, not any one individual player. And I strongly feel that peighton would want to make the offense all about HIM.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
Schaub's health is still in the air also
Not as much as 18’s, but still. Also for everyone saying “What happens the first time he takes a big hit?” You could ask that question for any QB. It’s a part of the game. If Peyton is healthy, the Texans would be fools to not look into this.
Every QB in the game didnt just have NECK surgery.
Do you realize the trauma that an injury like that puts on that region of the body? When something like that happens by your neck, all of the nearby muscles and ligaments go into “Holy shit” mode and even after therapy, can never feel the same. My point isnt that he wont be ready, its just that its too high of a risk for a team that almost made it to the AFC championship with a 3rd string QB as it is.
Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!
by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 14, 2012 8:50 AM CST up reply actions
This I agree with. The premise is that he returns above 70%, which so far has not been proven the case.
His trainers have stated that he has hit a plateau in his physical therapy and the throwing motion is not improving, which could indicate nerve damage that is possibly long term. He may be cleared to play by the docs, but “ready to play” is another thing entirely.
Exactly, then on top of that
being able to play through the whole season, then the postseason. I know what you are saying is that, what if Schaub does not finish? Which is a real concern, but if we are taking bets, Schaub would be heavily favored to be able to play an NFL season, but Manning would be the more expensive play…. its just not worth it.
Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!
by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 14, 2012 9:13 AM CST up reply actions
When I had surgery to relocate my left ulnar nerve
What I learned is that nerve damage requires about one month per inch of nerve to heal below the injury point. In my case, elbow to the end of the hand, or a little over 1 foot. Sure enough, it was over a year before I got back to what I would consider 99% (I still have slightly diminished touch at the end of my little finger). So figure with neck surgery, it could take Peyton significantly longer than one year to recover however much he will get back. The real question, of course, is what will be his full recovery? If he can make it to 95%, then great, it may take a couple more years though, to get there. So how far does he need to recover to be a good QB? Even if he can play next year, I’m not very confident he would be ready at the beginning of the year. Is it worth the gamble?
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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 14, 2012 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
And it's deeper than even that
As I’m getting older, the biggest thing I’ve noticed (aside from the hair on my head migrating places south), is my decreasing lack of flexibility. This is a natural part of the aging process. Then, we’re talking about a football player and his neck?
I don’t think Manning plays another NFL down, and I think he’d be crazy to even take the chance.
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by bigfatdrunk on Feb 14, 2012 10:12 AM CST up reply actions
I agree. I'm no doctor, but I can't think it's worth Peyton's health to take another snap
We can dream a little about what it would be like to have him take us to the show, but I don’t think he plays again in the NFL.
you think he doesnt play another down?
There IS good weed in Austin.
I am 100% sure he plays this season
You have let the media cloud your judgement.
He wont play….. NOW THATS FUNNY
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The media cloud my judgement???
You mean, every single report is saying he lacks in arm strength and can’t even throw to his left is clouding my judgement?
Damn right it is.
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by bigfatdrunk on Feb 14, 2012 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
Also
He’s been 2-4 weeks away from returning since last July. He’s the new Bennie Joppru.
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by bigfatdrunk on Feb 14, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
Manning does have incentive to play for the Texans
Mario would not be chasing him anymore….
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
I say we have another expansion draft
and pick him FIRST!
Let’s call Casserly and ask him what we should do.
TJ must throw 30 times for us to win.
THE MEDIA
said he had been 2-4 weeks away. I personally new he wasnt playing last year.
But the guy will play this year.
Jeremy Lin is also the next Jordan.
I dont care if the media says he lacks arm strength and cant throw to his left and all that. They would eat their own kids for a story.
I didnt mean you PERSONALLY, but people in general. If ESPN tells them he cant play, then they think thats a fact.
Id bet 1000$ he starts for someone week one. and NOT the texans
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I think he's going to attempt to play
He wants to rub it in Irsay’s face and is driven by revenge….I just don’t know if his body will be able to produce at Peyton levels like he wants.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Jeremy Lin is better than Jordan
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
I've got a family to support
So I’ll bet beer and nachos he does not play on Week 1.
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by bigfatdrunk on Feb 14, 2012 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
Sold
But you’re feeding me the nachos, deal?
@THEREALALLENOU on twitter - "The man, the verb, the legend" OU'd
by AllenOU on Feb 14, 2012 11:16 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
Nuts to that
I’ll wear a burqa while you eat, though, so as not to upset your delicate stomach.
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by bigfatdrunk on Feb 14, 2012 11:20 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
It is not the same for all QBs as you claim
Is there always the risk of injury for an NFL QB? Absolutely, but if you think major neck surgery does not increase the risk you are nuts.
"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce
FICTION CAN BE FUN! BUT I FIND THE REFERENCE SECTION MUCH MORE ENLIGHTENING!
Sorry I couldnt help it
Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!
by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 14, 2012 8:33 AM CST reply actions 7 recs
I'm gonna rec this
Before it gets deleted.
Yay bewbs!
Matt Schoob, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, Jacoby Ford, Kevin Walters, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!
by MeSoLongHorny on Feb 14, 2012 9:39 AM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Ya i thought about that about 10-15 seconds after hitting post
Hope Finkle didnt offend anyone or set off an alarm in their office or something.
Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!
by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 14, 2012 10:34 AM CST up reply actions
Finkle is a guy, so what's the hulabaloo?
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
Oh please not that. I knew a guy in Pheonix that took that stuff seriously.
All us in the office bolted when he walked in.
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Feb 14, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
I'm nitpicking, but Robert Irsay is dead.
Live life 10 yards at a time.
"Hey, at least throw a pick on their side of the field instead of asking the D to bail you out again. Or hand the ball off and stop trying to act like Peyton Manning. You ain’t that and you know it, man; you just get paid like he does."
- James Harrison
by TouchdownMonkey on Feb 14, 2012 8:44 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
The ifs are enormous.
It could happen:
IF the Texans know Schaub has a chronic throwing problem.
IF Peyton can convince them he can still play like Peyton.
IF Smithiak can get a deal done without major roster upheavals.
IF Kubiak believes he can quickly adjust the offense to maximize Peyton’s strengths.
I give it a 10% chance, tops.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
If Manning is our QB next season
Heads will roll!
Or maybe just his after a sack.
Matt Schoob, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, Jacoby Ford, Kevin Walters, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!
With Myers, Brisiel and Foster gone
he would surely be getting sacked like a Carr caught in the headlights on a frequent basis. This team wouldn’t be the same if we have to make room for Manning.
Wouldn't you feel dirty?
Having to cheer for the bane of our existence for the past ten years?
by JJ What? on Feb 14, 2012 9:42 AM CST via Android app reply actions
Nah, I respect Peyton
The bane of our existence has usually been someone in the Texans organization:
David Carr
Frank Bush
Jacoby Jones
Charlie Casserley.
Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.
"Will it never be noon?" Duke of Orleans to the Dauphin and Constable of France every Sunday before the Texans play.
by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 14, 2012 10:14 AM CST up reply actions
Not at all. I was a Peyton fan before the Texans existed.
I would really hate it for teh Schaub, though. It would probably happen only if he had some arm/shoulder problem that was a real threat to his career, which would be a damned shame.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
by FreedomRide on Feb 14, 2012 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
Its amazing how, once you become an SB contender, all those Nos become Yeses
Peyton Manning, Randy Moss, Stanford Routt, TO, etc.
Even though I don’t really want some of them, none of these guys would have even considered the Texans before this year unless they were offered massive money. I think any of them would play for the Texans for less now.
That said, heres what I think:
1. If Payton Manning takes anything less than 5 mil cap hit….sign him, and tell Schaub his foot isn’t healing right, and keep him till we know Payton is well. Really, I can go either way on Payton.
2. Randy Moss is the new monkey in the wrench. If he can be had cheap enough to keep Mary O’Williams, et al. then I’m cool with that
3. Stanford Routt is the same situation as Randy Moss, but I’m torn on which one we would prioritize. Since we could conceivably grab a good WR in draft, I’m leaning toward Stanford.
4. TO can forget it.
But, I think we make sure to resign Mario and Myers and PAY ARIAN, before we even consider any of the above.
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
we're not entertaining that
are we?
I hope he doesn’t even get a workout. I would be very disappointed in the Texans FO if he did.
TJ must throw 30 times for us to win.
Randy Moss
Quit playing football 2 years ago
Retired 1 year ago
/nuff said
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
I am Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on Feb 14, 2012 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
Drop Randy Moss down to #4.
One dimensional quitter. We can sign a better FA with that money or draft a better WR.
Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.
You guys should read the Yahoo article on this
First line is the best part
Four-time NBA MVP Peyton Manning
MCM Logic > Real Logic
Titans Dave Ball on tackling Bucs Blount: "It’s like trying to tackle a greased up, naked guy in the shower."
"You give Peyton Manning a better gm, coach, owner and he goes down as the greatest person to ever live." - coltsfan1888
MCM's Official Knee-Jerk Reaction Game Thread Over Dramatic Poster
by Dynamic Dreadlocks on Feb 14, 2012 9:45 AM CST reply actions
//facepalm
Do you think his neck injury will impact his 3-point accuracy?
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by bigfatdrunk on Feb 14, 2012 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
Manning is an elite PG when healthy
I think the injury will impact his ability to drive in the paint and score, though
MCM Logic > Real Logic
Titans Dave Ball on tackling Bucs Blount: "It’s like trying to tackle a greased up, naked guy in the shower."
"You give Peyton Manning a better gm, coach, owner and he goes down as the greatest person to ever live." - coltsfan1888
MCM's Official Knee-Jerk Reaction Game Thread Over Dramatic Poster
by Dynamic Dreadlocks on Feb 14, 2012 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
[Insert Photoshopped Picture of Peighton Manning with Two NBA Logo Headbands to Cover his Fivehead Here]
Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!
by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 14, 2012 10:37 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
He also won 5 Gold Medals in Swimming.
His fivehead made him look like a dolphin, bobbing in and out of the water.
Matt Schoob, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, Jacoby Ford, Kevin Walters, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!
by MeSoLongHorny on Feb 14, 2012 10:42 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Looks like
since they did away with hand checking, anyone can play in the NBA.
The Houston Texans: The Ron Paul of the NFL.
While I DO want a Super Bowl
I feel as though if Peyton were to come here and win all the headlines would be Peyton Wins SB with Texans. Not the other way around. As a struggling actor I know that top billing means a lot.
by BricAM on Feb 14, 2012 9:49 AM CST via mobile reply actions
Im kinda with you here
I didnt care about all the “Texans beat the Manningless Colts” bullcrap because we dominated them before that. But for him to then come here and reap all the benefits of our hardwork would somewhat bother me…
Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!
by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 14, 2012 10:38 AM CST up reply actions
Headline:
Manningfull Texans beat the Manningless Colts.
Matt Schoob, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, Jacoby Ford, Kevin Walters, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!
by MeSoLongHorny on Feb 14, 2012 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
or
The Houston Mannings Beat the Un-Lucky Colts
by BricAM on Feb 14, 2012 11:19 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
We're already the Houston Mannings.
We have #38, remember?
Houston Texans: 1 Playoff Win.
Vince Young, Dunta Robinson, and Jason Babin: 0 Combined Playoff Wins.
Well for everyone clamoring for a veteran QB
he seems to fit the bill.
Won’t happen, but we have to listen and wait. The decision can’t be made until he’s healthy. Even then, the odds seem steep, even if he gives us a very cap-friendly deal.
But I think Kubiak is more interested in this than most think.
TJ must throw 30 times for us to win.
To even think Peyton cant grasp the offense is dumb
The guy, if healthy, can play in any offense. Thats just stupid.
Everything else I agree
@THEREALALLENOU on twitter - "The man, the verb, the legend" OU'd
Never Said, Or Even Implied, That He Couldn't Grasp The Offense
I merely said it wouldn’t be a seamless transition.
Ecstatic that Texans fandom no longer means that April is the highlight of my season...
Right, because which offense will we run?
The run-heavy WCO Kubiak prefers, counting on smaller, more agile offensive linemen to work his ZBS?
Or the mostly ad-lib, high-audible Manning offense, when Kubiak has been fairly unwilling to allow even Schaub to audible at the line?
Which one do we implement?
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http://www.battleredblog.com
"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot
by bigfatdrunk on Feb 14, 2012 10:28 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
It WOULD be a seamless transition
IF HE IS HEALTHY.
The guy is the smartest FB player ever possibly.
I strongly disagree with this
@THEREALALLENOU on twitter - "The man, the verb, the legend" OU'd
Wait you disagree with what? He didnt say anything
Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!
by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 14, 2012 10:43 AM CST up reply actions
Which offense?
First, Manning is a pure pocket passer who does not throw well on the run. Post injury, I can’t imagine that problem suddenly becomes better.
Kubiak’s WCO relies heavily on boots and roll outs, something Schaub is far better at.
Would Kubiak be willing to give up so much play-calling to Manning? So, do we adjust to Kubiak’s style? Or Mannings’? Because, yes, there is a difference.
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http://www.battleredblog.com
"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot
by bigfatdrunk on Feb 14, 2012 10:50 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If Manning was here, wouldn't it make sense to run Manning's offense?
Problem solved.
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
He can play in any system
the guy can certainly roll out effectively when needed.
The offense would have to chance somewhat of course, but by week one everything would be rolling smoothly.
its not happening so it doesnt matter, but fun to talk about
@THEREALALLENOU on twitter - "The man, the verb, the legend" OU'd
I trust
that if he was handed Peyton in camp, that Kubiak would a) be jumping for joy, and b)make an offense that both were comfortable with, and c) be successful.
I think Kubiak likes his job, and is willing to get players to help him keep his job. But the decision will probably be made for us, because I think the affordability of all these people is a pipe dream.
TJ must throw 30 times for us to win.
Very smart player
But I love this article from 1999. Writer loves Peyton, but makes him look like an idiot savant that is a football god but too stupid to dress himself or make his own dinner. Peyton comes off as being entirely one dimensional – football only, nothing about life.
by Franchise19 on Feb 14, 2012 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
Unfortunately many high level athletes are like that.
Look at the training regimen for any olympic athlete outside of maybe curling and mens swimming/bong toking and you’ll see they have no life at all outside their sport.
Im the #1 ranked bong toker
No one can hang wit me
@THEREALALLENOU on twitter - "The man, the verb, the legend" OU'd
The non-audible thing seems more myth than fact
He even let TJ audible
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
I am Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on Feb 14, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
To the extent Peyton does?
Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.
"Will it never be noon?" Duke of Orleans to the Dauphin and Constable of France every Sunday before the Texans play.
by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 14, 2012 12:46 PM CST up reply actions
There is a difference between audibles
And calling all of your own plays – this is true
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
I am Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on Feb 14, 2012 4:35 PM CST up reply actions
And it is also well known...
that peighton actually gives each OLineman his blocking assignment. If you notice that is how we baffled him that first Indy game last year was our D remained in constant motion until the last possible second which led to Olinemen not getting a hat on somebody.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
And so it begins!
It’s def an interesting storyline but I still would just rather ride it out with Schaub than Manning.
by Zukywich08 on Feb 14, 2012 10:16 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Same here.
Schaub is no slouch, himself. He’s also younger and healthier (as far as we know).
The bird is struggling out of the egg. The egg is the world. Whoever wants to be born, must first destroy a world.
by Stupendous Man on Feb 14, 2012 11:09 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
There's only 1 way it would ever happen...
Matt Schaub would have to be physically unable to play or retire for them to bring in Peyton Manning, who would also have to be 100% healthy and ready to throw.
If you honestly think Bob McNair would be that kind of dick to Matt Schaub after all his demonstrated leadership during the lockout and to T.J. post-injury then you don’t know what kind of organization you’re rooting for.
"Lord, beer me strength."
by TexansDC on Feb 14, 2012 10:26 AM CST reply actions 11 recs
There's also that.
Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.
"Will it never be noon?" Duke of Orleans to the Dauphin and Constable of France every Sunday before the Texans play.
by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 14, 2012 10:28 AM CST up reply actions
You play to win the game
That philosophy goes for front office decisions as well.
The question should be whether it makes football sense to cut/trade Schaub and sign Peyton Manning. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn’t, but nothing else should enter into the equation.
That said, I’m not confident the Texans have the balls to make those hard, winning choices.
http://www.crawfishboxes.com
It's not a hard, winning choice
They’ve got a quarterback that many have said would’ve guided them to the Super Bowl. Why dump him for an older quarterback with a bigger health question mark that could also upset the locker room and make them distrust management?
"Lord, beer me strength."
I agree with you
that the only way we seriously consider this is if Schaub isn’t 100% in a few months.
TJ must throw 30 times for us to win.
Because it makes the team better
If Manning is healthy, which is a huge “if”.
You don’t settle for “good enough”, you give yourself the best chance to win you possibly can.
http://www.crawfishboxes.com
by OremLK on Feb 14, 2012 10:56 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This may be true, but winning is frequently a consequence of team cohesion.
Professionalism does have its limits. And a feeling of betrayal can destroy team cohesion.
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Feb 14, 2012 11:15 AM CST up reply actions
Jerruh Jones approves this message.
Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.
"Will it never be noon?" Duke of Orleans to the Dauphin and Constable of France every Sunday before the Texans play.
by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 14, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
This is a good point
but I just have a hard time stomaching (theoretically) a healthy Peyton on the market WANTING to play for the Texans and we pass on him. I just think great franchises don’t make that mistake.
However, considering the entire scope of the circumstance, you’re probably right DC. Bob is extremely loyal, it’s great to dream, but I’m not gonna lie that I’d be just as happy for Schaub if he could lead us to the promised land.
If Peyton comes to Houston, Schaub is finished as a Texan.
At that point, the organization has admitted it has given up on him. Even if they kept him, he could never come back and be the leader.
So if they sign Peyton, it means A) They think he gets them a SB within about a 3-year window. B) They think TJ will then be ready to be the franchise QB, or C) They are ready to commit to another agonizing search through FA and the draft for a franchise QB, a search that could last a decade or more.
As TDC just said, this whole thing depends on Schaub more than it does on Manning. The Texans would have to believe Schaub is in serious physical decline before they would even TALK to Manning. If they didn’t believe that, they would not risk undermining their starting QB and offensive leader.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
by FreedomRide on Feb 14, 2012 10:32 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
at the least
Let’s say Manning can play for two years. That’s two Super Bowls. That’s two years that Schaub can rest up and learn. That’s two years Yates can learn.
If Manning can play longer than two years. Think of the possibilities.
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
not sure if serious
but there’s no way Schaub and Manning are in the same training camp.
The team would be divided. It would be a cancerous “dream team” scenario, and we’d lose.
TJ must throw 30 times for us to win.
"Hey Matt, we believe in you and everything...
but go back to the bench until we finish this lil experiment"
Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!
by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 14, 2012 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
fairly optimistic
I agree that we would be superbowl contenders with him, but we are a good playoff team without him. Saying that we get to the sb with him is a little optimistic if you ask me. Nothing is for sure. Also, while he is one of the greatest qbs ever, I don’t think he is best suited in this kind of offence. We would have to structure our offence around him to see the benefits of his strengths using audibles. Kubiak’s offense worked just fine with Schaub. I am not saying I don’t think we should look into it if the opportunity presents itself, but if schaub is healthy, I think we would be taking a huge gamble that may disrupt our team.
I agree he would be a great teacher for yates.
....like Manning was for Painter?
"No matter where you go....There you are" - Buckaroo Banzai
by buckaroo_banzai on Feb 14, 2012 11:49 AM CST up reply actions
What makes you think he can't?
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
this is a fair interpretation
of how management would have to evaluate both Schaub and Manning. Rec’d.
A healthy Manning makes us the favorites to win the AFC
Even if you have to let Mario go, trade Schaub, and cut a couple lesser players as well (cough, Jacoby).
For me it just comes down to whether Manning is actually healthy enough and durable enough to warrant the risk. I can’t answer that question, and I don’t think any of us can—we’re not looking at the medical reports or watching him throw.
But do I dream of running this Texans team out there with a 100% Peyton Manning at the helm? You’re damn right I do.
http://www.crawfishboxes.com
I think Schaub makes us favorites as well
if Peyton has to wait before signing because he can’t pass anyone’s physical, and everyone else goes and gets their QBs, then he becomes healthy, we may become a player. But I think that’s a long shot.
TJ must throw 30 times for us to win.
I don't want Manning at this point, but it doesn't matter.
IF he really is saying this, it is only in an attempt to make the Colts hang on to him and pay him his 28 million. A threat to go to a division rival is only him “playing politics” as Irsay would say.
I don't know
We see it a lot in pro sports that athletes want to go to the better team within their same division, for whatever reason… familiarity, closeness of location, whatever.
Berkman winning a WS with the Cardinals still rankles…
http://www.crawfishboxes.com
I'm alright and happy for him.
we did trade him after all…
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by Carter Liles on Feb 14, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
Not only did we convince him to waive his no trade clause
but after that one year when he asked to come back we told him no thanks, can’t hold anything against him, he wanted to be here.
by Bobbythegreat on Feb 14, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah I guess I could see him doing it, but I
just don’t think he will be fully healthy or even healthy enough to be a top QB. The one scenario I could see doing it is if they were planning on not bringing Schaub back after next year anyway it might be worth it to cut ties with him now and bring in Manning for one year (or as much as he plays till he is hit hard and paralyzed) and give it a shot using Yates as the safety net. That plan would assume that Yates is going to be the successor to Schaub in a year, but I’m not sure that is the case. As to Berkman winning with the Cardinals, I’m happy for him. He wanted to come back to the Astros, and they said they didn’t want him, it was only then that he looked to going to the Cardinals.
by Bobbythegreat on Feb 14, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
Truth.
I would have lost it had they added Oswalt, too.
The bird is struggling out of the egg. The egg is the world. Whoever wants to be born, must first destroy a world.
by Stupendous Man on Feb 14, 2012 11:06 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
damn good point
Threatening to become a Texan was probably the worst case scenario Peyton could imagine that would get things moving with the Colt FO. It’s what I would probably do in that situation.
OKAY, BREAK IT UP, MOVE ALONG, THERE'S NOTHING TO SEE HERE..........
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
teh Schaub ridd'n on fives, yo!
Matt Schoob, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, Jacoby Ford, Kevin Walters, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!
by MeSoLongHorny on Feb 14, 2012 11:51 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
When I look at that I hear this song in my head:
A sharp tongue is the only edged tool that grows keener with constant use.--Washington Irving
by Foster Child on Feb 14, 2012 8:12 PM CST up reply actions
Best GIF ever made.
Well besides that Katy Perry one.
"I am not a number. I bleed, I think, I feel, I hurt, I mourn, I cry, I laugh. We and you are the same. You are us. Love with me." -Arian Foster's twitter... Follow him, hilarity ensues.
by RayFinkle1985 on Feb 15, 2012 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
Wow, Tim
Your post even brought kurtie! out of hibernation.
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
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by bigfatdrunk on Feb 14, 2012 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
After sleeping on this, I wouldn't bring Peyton back.
While Schaub is injured, his injury is not even close to the seriousness of Peyton’s injury. We are already a superbowl team and why screw with that? Peyton could be one hit away from being knocked into retirement. Schaub has to be considered more durable at this point.
I figured that if I said it enough, I would convince the world that I really was the greatest.
~Muhammad Ali
Pancakes says
Peyton won’t come here. I’d post the link from PFT but I’m on my phone and can’t. So now I’m confused. Pancakes is never right so what does that do for the odds manning plays here?
by BricAM on Feb 14, 2012 11:46 AM CST via mobile reply actions
With all the fans who taped over the Carr jersey and handwrote variations of "ScHaUb"
it would be funny to see how many tape a “1” in front of the “8” if this happens
Come on man, buy a NEW jersey!
LeStar Jean
May have something to say about that :)
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
I am Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on Feb 14, 2012 4:33 PM CST up reply actions
He can negotiate a roster jersey number when he gets off the practice squad
but maybe Manning changes jersey numbers anyway in the highly unlikely event he shows up here.
It would be brilliant marketing to transition him to the same number and pull a metric F-ton of fans from the Colts though.
I'm worried that my dad bought me a Mario Williams jersey
He’s a Cowboys fan but somehow supports my Texans fandom. I just hope Mario stays so i don’t have to tape over his name on the jersey or something
That's why I went with #80
"I am not a number. I bleed, I think, I feel, I hurt, I mourn, I cry, I laugh. We and you are the same. You are us. Love with me." -Arian Foster's twitter... Follow him, hilarity ensues.
by RayFinkle1985 on Feb 15, 2012 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
Not true...Pancakes is sometimes right on a a prediction before the fact
and 100% correct on a prediction after the fact.
But he is wrong enough times that we can never trust what he says.
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Feb 14, 2012 5:58 PM CST up reply actions
well now I'm confused
Is Peyton coming here, or should I start spelling his name wrong on purpose again?
TJ must throw 30 times for us to win.
Yeah, I'm confused too....I'm not even sure what I said.
But I do know its a 50 – 50 outcome. So, no matter what the probability, even Pancakes could accidentally get it right.
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Feb 15, 2012 9:21 AM CST up reply actions
I read the headline...
now I have to change my pants.:(
I'm a household name... at my house.
Michael Vick is the best throwing running back of all time.
My put your name on it prediction for the Housotn Texans.
10-6, with a first round playoff upset over either the Ravens or Steelers.
eff peyton,
and the autumn of his career. give me my schaub and my yates, or start the hell all over (leinart….meehhh). eff peyton. a short term sprint to a super bowl in exchange for an over priced premium. we are on the right track. look how far we got this year with all the crap that happened. why? because Kubi has had a long term view of success, not a series of short term “fixes”.
by Jameson Vernon on Feb 14, 2012 12:08 PM CST reply actions 3 recs
if we start "the hell" over
I hope its not with Leinart. But that’s just me. Maybe he’s a rock star QB.
TJ must throw 30 times for us to win.
I'm still dying to see Leinart in a 3 to 5 game stretch
just to see if Kubiak the QB whisperer has actually resurrected Matt from the “bust” status
But I’d prefer to see Schaub return with a kick ass arm, healthy feet and an undefeated 19 game season.
thanks!
that’s very nice of you to say. gotta graduate college though before I start my newsletter. that’ll happen sooner or later- the graduating part that is
by Jameson Vernon on Feb 20, 2012 1:01 PM CST up reply actions
What if
Kubiak: “Manning, we need someone to back up Schaub and get Yates ready to take over in the future. You get to make sure we kill the Colts now AND in the future by mentoring Yates. Thereby sticking it to the team that kicked you to the curb for years to come. PLUS you get a great opportunity to get another ring. This will also help prepare you for a coaching gig which looks like will be in the near future for you.”
Manning: “I’ll need an XXXXL Championship hat, and SB MVP regardless of whether or not I play a down.”
Kubiak: “Deal.”
Down side, first int Schaub throws could lead to chants for Manning.
Thank you Texans for 2011.
The 2012 season can't start soon enough.
Honey Badger for President
N.S.I.S.

I'm a household name... at my house.
Michael Vick is the best throwing running back of all time.
My put your name on it prediction for the Housotn Texans.
10-6, with a first round playoff upset over either the Ravens or Steelers.
by taylorrohrman on Feb 14, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
Just throwing out an idea
I doubt he’d be interested in being a backup, but I’d rather this option than bringing him in to replace Schaub. Since he runs a QB camp for college QB’s then he clearly knows how to mentor young guys. He just never did that for the Colts because he didn’t want to train his replacement.
Thank you Texans for 2011.
The 2012 season can't start soon enough.
Honey Badger for President
He will be offered the starting gig at possibly 15 other teams if he wants it.
TJ must throw 30 times for us to win.
Which is why
I don’t see him coming to Houston. Even if Schaub gets hit by a bus, we’ve got two guys the coaches appear to think highly of.
Thank you Texans for 2011.
The 2012 season can't start soon enough.
Honey Badger for President
If you thought the Brett Favre media circus was insane...
…can you imagine the kind of distractions Barnum & Bailey’s 5-Head Circus would bring?
Well this explains why NFL.com had an article featuring drivel from John McClain as to why Manning wouldn't be a Texan.
Guess it was only a matter of time before this link was made though.
Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.
Just like I said with the Routt rumor.
Texans all of as sudden are a hot team to look at and link big names to since “they finally got over the hump and are a future power” and of course the rumor or Manning coming here is just to sweet to not report.
A couple weeks of debate over this but again I don’t see it happening. Money will be an issue and there are still big issues with his health. And the Texans would have to scrap good players with bigger contracts (think DeMeco Ryans) just to compete with the offers other teams can throw at Manning.
Also just read Irsay is willing to bring Manning back if he signed to a cap friendly contract so that’s always out there.
Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.
I FIRMLY believe....
our offense regresses with this,
1) It is WELL publicized that Peighton runs the offense, not an HC and DAMN sure not an OC
2) So we immediately have friction between the QB and both the HC and the OC
3) EVERY free agent we have this year walks which totally mortgages the future of this team….this is a one year and done proposition and then it is back to five or more years of rebuilding because our FA’s for the next two to three years will have to be let go as well.
4) and two important cogs on our OL will have to be let go via aforementioned FA which will then expose a VERY
fragile Peighton to many more hits
5) and for some reason EVERY time I contemplate this, I envision the final football game from The Replacments
where Martel crosses the picket lines and then looks like utter and complete shit and is blaming it all on the rest of
the team
Yes peighton is a one in a million QB, but I also think he is a spoiled prima donna and will blame all problems on the offensive scheme and the cast of players around him.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
by txknight on Feb 14, 2012 4:48 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
i dont think the guy plays this year anyways. maybe never again. i got shot in the top of the forarm on feb. 22 of last year. the bullet went in my forarm and out the inside of my lower bicep. when it happen the bullet fucked up my medial nerve
and immediatly from half through my ring finger all the way to my thumb went numb. also some of the back of my forarm. anyway point being, almost a year later i have all of about half the feeling back in my fingers. my thumb probably is more like 30 percent really. nerves take i think the doctors said a centimeter a year. by the time his shit gets back, he maybe too old.
"Lets go rip the mothafu#kin heart out these haters!"
Dude that's nuts
I’ve only got shot AT (by a crazy crackhead lady while I was delivering pizzas) I can’t imagine being actually shot. Hope everything is well.
But what if manning had some crazy experimental Korean robot parts put in and he’s just waiting til he signs with a team to revel it?
by BricAM on Feb 14, 2012 5:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Peyton with the Texans
I love and admire Peyton Manning as a QB he can read, outsmart and pick a defense apart like no other. But to think that the Texans would move heaven and earth to get him, not knowing what he is capable of doing. Not happening, but hey since Peyton has said that he would like to go to a team that will compete for the SB in 2012/2013. Then why don’t, the Texans just do same and get Randy Moss who just announced, that he wants to come out of retirement and be with a team that will compete for the SB. I mean after all, we do need a WR right? Yeah both just sound so , sensible don’t they? Just sayin!
Fuck all this.
We don’t want or need his highness. We have all the tools we need right now. Schaub is fine. If anyone goes, it’s Mario. He frees up cap space, and we had the 2nd best D in the NFL without him last year. It gives us room to pick up a good # 2 receiver, pay Arian , and add depth to our O line.
Why Jacoby,why? I mean, seriously?
Screw it all
Cut teh Schaub, sign Mary-O, give Arian his deserved cheddar, and roll w Weejay Yates at QB next year. Degrading arm and immobile Schaub, or keep all key position players w a younger, eerily similar QB in Weejay.
While we’re at it, draft Michael Floyd as the #2 receiver and heir apparent to Dre.
by HabitualHoustonFan on Feb 14, 2012 9:07 PM CST reply actions
I like TJ
but I hope we don’t hear screams for him to come in if Schaub struggles early.
TJ must throw 30 times for us to win.
You know we will.
The pressure on Schaub from the fans shot up big time with how well TJ played. Fans will forget about the 3 ints and think TJ was God-like if Schaub starts 2012 off bad.
Thank you Texans for 2011.
The 2012 season can't start soon enough.
Honey Badger for President
Mark it. It will happen.
I predict Jerome Solomon will write the first “Time for a change at QB!” column.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
"how well TJ played"
I saw a rookie QB make a few plays, that is all. The running game and defense carried the team. This talk that Yates lit it up and now he’s a better option than Schaub is ludicrous. Does he have potential? Sure. But he’s a long way away from being at the level that Schaub plays at.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
by Hydroshock on Feb 15, 2012 10:53 AM CST up reply actions 6 recs
^^This.
But that’s the point, really. TJ did play well, considering, but no rational observer would confuse him with a QB ready to replace Schaub.
But hometown QB haters are anything but rational, and they are already making noise about a change. If Schaub stumbles, it will become a roar.
It makes me tired just thinking about it.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
by FreedomRide on Feb 15, 2012 11:56 AM CST up reply actions 6 recs
I think it's a crowd response based on a few years of frustration in Schaub's performance
He went from a great 2009 season to several mediocre performances in 2010/2011 with “WTF was he thinking” picks at inopportune times. I still can’t erase that image of his pick six in the Ravens game that was seared into my skull (especially since my seats are right where it happened). The collective body of work from 2010 and partial 2011 showed way too many passes that were shoelace, behind or way over thrown. SOME of the receivers still managed to reel in the ball, but were out of position to do anything afterward (YAC). His deep ball arm strength was never great, but he used to be able to hit ’Dre in stride and that all but vanished in 2010/2011.
There was a lot of commentary that Schaub does better when he gets into a pass heavy rhythm. He needs to come out showing he can co-exist with a strong running game and hit his targets more accurately (look like his 2007-2009 form) or he’s going to get roasted.
by MeMongo on Feb 15, 2012 1:08 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
We get it
You’ve stated your case for disliking Schaub quite clear. However, some of us chose not to buy into it. Like I’ve said several times, he’s the best option we have. Hall of Famers don’t grow on trees, and if you think T.J. Yates gives us a better chance to win a Super Bowl right now then you’re crazy.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
Oh I'm not sayint TJ is the answer
I’m just struggling to see that Schaub is unless he returns to his better form, and that leaves a big question mark under center
I never said
he lit it up. I’m agreeing with you that he didn’t light it up. I’m saying idiot fans that think 610, the “General” and Chron are actually good sources for Texans information will be calling for Yates if Schaub starts off slow in 2012. They shouldn’t, but we all know they will.
Thank you Texans for 2011.
The 2012 season can't start soon enough.
completely agreed.
I’m the biggest Yates fan and anti-Schaub-establishment guy on this blog, but there is no way TJ deserves the starting gig going into next season.
That’s why the Manning discussion is getting so much serious consideration.
I would avoid Manning like kryptonite
Reports are coming out now that he’s had FOUR neck procedures, and it could be a sign of degeneration. Remember, their older brother was never able to pursue a football career because of spinal stenosis. I’m starting to think Peyton has been playing on borrowed time for quite a while now. It’s amazing that he’s done what he has in his career but I think he’s done.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
TJ has skills for sure
He can and I hope will be the future Texans QB. Being able to get out of the pocket and go a few yards is better than getting touched by a fingernail and fall for the sack. It’s like Ali v. Liston all over again.
So I saw something on the crawler on ESPN while at dinner
About Irsay wanting to try to work out a way to keep Peyton in Indy.
Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.
"Will it never be noon?" Duke of Orleans to the Dauphin and Constable of France every Sunday before the Texans play.
by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 14, 2012 9:26 PM CST reply actions
I saw that too
I wonder if that is a real possibility and what the plan would be. Have Manning mentor Luck? Even with Manning reworking his deal that is a significant amount of money tied up at QB on a rebuilding team. I think it would be tough to make them competitive like that.
by maroonedTexan on Feb 14, 2012 9:31 PM CST up reply actions
Irsay is the Next Man Up when Beelzebud dies.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
Don Banks: Manning worse off than originally thought
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot
"Fusion"
…league sources say Manning’s neck has potentially developed bone spurs just above the point where his latest fusion surgery took place in early September, and the Colts organization is under the belief that it is nearly inevitable Manning will at some point require further surgery, and possibly another fusion procedure, even if he does successfully return to the field in 2012. It’s unclear how any potential long-term neck issues will impact Manning’s decision to attempt a resumption of his NFL playing career later this year.
This will just never happen.
Manning to Houston? Forget about it
"I am not a number. I bleed, I think, I feel, I hurt, I mourn, I cry, I laugh. We and you are the same. You are us. Love with me." -Arian Foster's twitter... Follow him, hilarity ensues.
But on the bright side
Haynesworth just got dumped, again.
"I am not a number. I bleed, I think, I feel, I hurt, I mourn, I cry, I laugh. We and you are the same. You are us. Love with me." -Arian Foster's twitter... Follow him, hilarity ensues.
by RayFinkle1985 on Feb 15, 2012 2:07 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
But that increases the risk of playing him again next year.
Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.
"Will it never be noon?" Duke of Orleans to the Dauphin and Constable of France every Sunday before the Texans play.
by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 15, 2012 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
You All Disappoint Me!
To all of you that would like Captain Forehead to come to the Texans you are a disappointment as Texans fans. He has been responsible for a decade of losses to the Colts by the Texans. And now that he is basicly pushing the over the hill mark as a QB in the NFL and hasn’t played in over a year you want him to come to the Texans. NO WAY!
Peyton was a key reason the Colts won, but not a key reason the Texans lost.
We’ve been in build / rebuilding mode for a decade and finally purged the crap off the roster and got the right coaching staff on both sides of the ball. The Texans would beat the Colts now with or without a healthy Peyton.
by MeMongo on Feb 16, 2012 1:31 AM CST up reply actions 2 recs
allen..
what a dumb shit article he wrote. what a lame brain idea….. waht a gullabull….
no payton… period….
oh if i could change my screen name it would be more of a "texasbob" type thing.
by Danpassurweenie on Feb 15, 2012 6:48 PM CST reply actions
Anybody hear about Manning having had a 4th neck surgery that was previously undisclosed?
Unbelievable. There is no way he’s coming here and I doubt he plays again…unless there’s a desperate coach that is willing to gamble. Crazy.
"Sometimes my ninjitsu styles come out when I don’t even want ‘em to,"—Antonio Smith.
No one knows that it was a surgery.
It was a procedure. possibly draining fluid or removing stitches for all we know. That said, we don’t know that it wasn’t a surgery, and there is talk of bone spurs, which will require surgery if true.
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Feb 16, 2012 12:01 PM CST up reply actions
someone is toking
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
I'm not even sure Manning will be able to play the start of next year. Or at any point next year.
There’s more info coming out about potential future procedures (rumors sure but still something to think about).
Texans would have to sacrifice a lot JUST to be in the running to get him.
He could be one hit away to that neck to being done with football.
It’s not worth it. This team when healthy is a SB contender. It would be dumb to screw the team up for a guy who may or mat not be able to play like he used to. And if he’s not you’ve just fucked your playoff/SB team up for the next few years.
Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.
HELL TO THE NO!
Peyton is what, 38? Schaub is a pro-bowl qb, knows the system better than anyone, and to disrupt the ability to re-sign half the team to gamble on one person would be insane! It makes a lot more sense to use any available cap space to try to keep Mario. I say get rid of Leinart, make Yates the backup, and lets go into this coming season with a quality receiver to complement Andre.
One thing to note that IF Peyton does come here
he’d probably convince Reggie Wayne to sign here, even for a discount. Sounds enticing, no?
If this happened, this would remind me of Andy Pettitte and Roger Clemens joining the Astros in what was basically a package deal.
by goingforthecorner on Feb 18, 2012 9:22 PM CST reply actions
While this intruges me quite a bit I'm not sold on it completely
While Manning in a Texans uniform is an intriguing aspect. I’m not sold on it, what exactly is healthy? Does he have to be able to hit Andre running a forty yard WR go route? People forget we are dealing with nerve damage here. While this situation was significantly affected by the lockout, and the fact that Peyton could not even be seen by team doctors. This situation will be simillar to the AP’s ACL this next year they will both be effective but they will likely get injured again. Yes Manning makes the Texans a super bowl contender for sure. If he wins it will be like sleeping with your best friend nice at first but at the end of it all it will just be akward.
Help me! Jacoby Jones' "play" continues to haunt my dreams.

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