Mario Williams and the Hometown Discount
by riversmccown on Feb 15, 2012 1:00 PM CST
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PrintI don't think we can be surprised at this point.
Chronicle stenographer John McClain has written an opinion piece today concerning the fact that Mario Williams will likely need to take a hometown discount to stay a Texan. Yes, there are players that could be released to free up cap space. Yes, there is the fabled MDC contract, structured like DeMarcus Ware's, that keeps Mario in town and reduces his cap number from last year.
Say what you will about McClain, and I have, but as a stenographer it's hard to get your message out without revealing some element of the truth. I don't like the idea he puts out that the Texans were swell without Mario -- both because he would have made them better and because I'm a little lower on the individual play of Brooks Reed than some -- but I can see the economic appeal to reason here, and it's a very simple one:
Mario Williams can't stay healthy.
I loathe the "compare athletes to girlfriends" comparison, both because it's overused and often used to make bizarre points, but the Texans have been with Mario enough to know his warts, and I think that absolutely lowers his absolute value to them. To some extent I feel like I've spent the last five years of my life defending Mario Williams from criticism, so let me say that he absolutely has not been as ideally dominant as he could. He does disappear in a few games a season. He doesn't mix up his pass rush moves as much as you'd like him to. And, most importantly, he has a history of nagging injuries that limit him -- and this is even before he spent parts of the last two seasons on IR.
Nobody is doubting the raw talent, nobody can say with a straight, non-trolled face that not having Williams next season makes the Texans better. But if you squint and look at the Arian Foster deal, keeping Chris Myers, potentially locking up Duane Brown and Connor Barwin, and weigh that against locking a lot of guaranteed money into an elite pass rusher who has played 18 games over the past two seasons ... I can see the logic.
The situation kind of reminds me of what the Bills did with Paul Posluszny after the lockout. He's a damn good linebacker, but one that has a history of health problems. Rather than lock themselves into him, the Bills let him join the Jaguars. He had a terrific season in Jacksonville ... then separated his shoulder during the last game of the year. Some team who hasn't seen Williams' injury history firsthand is going to "overbid" for the elite pass rusher that he is and get something less than they desired for a portion of the season.
And that's fine. I wish Williams the best if he leaves, at least when he isn't playing the Texans, because he had to endure a lot more criticism than he ever deserved here. He was never the problem.
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Had to rec'ed for this line alone.
because he had to endure a lot more criticism than he ever deserved here. He was never the problem.
2012 1st round draft pick is...............
by southpaw70 on Feb 15, 2012 1:20 PM CST reply actions 10 recs
Rec rec'd.
Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.
"Will it never be noon?" Duke of Orleans to the Dauphin and Constable of France every Sunday before the Texans play.
by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 15, 2012 3:45 PM CST up reply actions
I hate you I hate you I hate you
//bursts out into tears and runs away bawling//
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
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by bigfatdrunk on Feb 15, 2012 1:21 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
Carolina could get a hometown discount
@THEREALALLENOU on twitter - "The man, the verb, the legend" OU'd
by AllenOU on Feb 15, 2012 1:24 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I'm struggling with the entire "hometown discount" concept, as well.
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot
yea been saying this for awhile.
Carolina will get the better hometow discount then us.
2012 1st round draft pick is...............
Not that rivers is wrong
But the title makes me not take it seriously
@THEREALALLENOU on twitter - "The man, the verb, the legend" OU'd
Carolina won't get the hometown discount because they are over 9 mill OVER the salary cap
They won’t be players in FA.
"...you may all got hell, and I will go to Texas!"
-Davey Crockett
yeah, if the hometown discount is a buck and quarter.
They could probably shoehorn in a good parking space in, too…
"...you may all got hell, and I will go to Texas!"
-Davey Crockett
Not To Speak For Rivers, But I'm Going To Guess What He Meant By "Hometown Discount"
No one’s saying Super Mario has any attachment to Houston, except that he’s been here since ‘06 and may appreciate the faith the Texans showed in him or the lure of wrecking shop in Wade Phillips’ scheme. While Houston isn’t his hometown, he may feel some sort of fondness for the city or franchise that could result in him instructing his agent to make it work here. Perhaps a more accurate turn of phrase would be “incumbent discount.”
Mind you, I seriously doubt he’ll authorize any such lesser contractual amount or discount—whatever you want to call it—to stay in Houston, and I don’t begrudge him that for one second. These guys have a very limited time to earn at their peak level, and I have no problem with him going wherever he can make the most money. I think we can all agree that that place is not Houston, especially with the other players they need to address.
Ecstatic that Texans fandom no longer means that April is the highlight of my season...
by Tim on Feb 15, 2012 2:56 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Lets stop using hometown discount
how about original team discount
@THEREALALLENOU on twitter - "The man, the verb, the legend" OU'd
No one ever takes a discount if they arent from the city
not happening
@THEREALALLENOU on twitter - "The man, the verb, the legend" OU'd
'We picked you #1 overall' discount.
‘..Before Reggie Bush and Vince Young’ discount. ‘Alpha male in Wade’s defensive scheme’ discount. So many discounts!
I doubt that this will affect his decision, but you can’t blame a man for trying.
by brightshinies on Feb 15, 2012 4:07 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
No, no, that's okay
Let them nitpick a fucking commonly used turn of phrase. No need to defend it.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter | Football Outsiders | Battle Red Blog
by riversmccown on Feb 15, 2012 3:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 7 recs
Its not just you
But EVERYONE has thrown it around, and most people have no idea where he went to college, much less that he is from NC.
Is a little clarification too much to ask for? NO, I dont think it is.
@THEREALALLENOU on twitter - "The man, the verb, the legend" OU'd
Uh, everyone throws it around about LOTS of players
Mario isn’t a unique snowflake here. I can sweep around Google news and find stories about Jeremy Mincey, Yadier Molina, and Matt Cain that refer to them considering (or not) various states of a hometown discount from cities that they were not born in.
It’s a colloquial thing, about investing in a player from the beginning. Thus, once they hit FA, you hope they’ll take your offer over similar ones. I guess you could phrase it as “homegrown” players, but nobody says homegrown in normal conversation, so it becomes hometown. Deal with it.
As for this pot/kettle thing below, I don’t really get the gist of what you’re going for.
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by riversmccown on Feb 15, 2012 3:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 6 recs
That was basically my point
and I think you get it. Whether you want to admit it or not, thats debateable.
Not trying to be an ass, just being honest
@THEREALALLENOU on twitter - "The man, the verb, the legend" OU'd
Right, launching a long comment screed about how the post is somehow cheapened
By use of a common turn of phrase is totally normal behavior. Then the further implication that linking to the lone source rather than having 8 people ask for the link was a bad idea. Then, finally, the implication that I’m trying to hide “victory” from you because I don’t think the phrase really needs to be differentiated.
Totally nothing at all confrontational about that.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter | Football Outsiders | Battle Red Blog
by riversmccown on Feb 15, 2012 3:48 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 2 recs
The source is pancakes
Haven’t we already established that his opinions are shit?
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
RE: The Pancakes thing
Did I, at any point, show him any respect in this article? No. I called him team stenographer. I said that due to his ties with the team, there was probably truth to the grain he was holding on to even though the facts were all wrong.
Tell me where else we are supposed to get that. The Texans don’t funnel scoops through me.
This isn’t a black of white thing. There isn’t team HATE PANCAKES and team aww but John is really nice. You’re allowed to find him useful at some point, even if it’s for the smallest thing. For me, it is the information from the Texans, after you filter it through his normal phrases.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter | Football Outsiders | Battle Red Blog
by riversmccown on Feb 15, 2012 4:29 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I get that
I just have nothing but disdain for the guy. Any time he is the sole source of a story I have a tendency to tune out pretty quickly.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
Upon second thought
I realized the thing that bugs me the most about John McClain is that he tends to wait and see what the vibe is with the fans first, then posts pure speculation based on the talking points that we have typically already discussed ad nauseam.
I suppose he can’t help it. The way to stay relevant in local, and sometimes national (as much as I hate to see him representing Houston) sports media is to stay up with the pulse of the fans. But for God’s sake…..BE ORIGINAL MAN! When he steals talking points from other blogs it really bugs the shit out of me.
Add to that, the Mario Williams “hometown discount” horse has already been beaten to death and free agency hasn’t even started. It’s agitating every time a new article pops up on the subject TBH. The arguments haven’t changed one bit. Although, I’m starting to see more people coming to grips with the financial ramifications.
I’ll get off my soap box now and quietly go back to not reading McClain articles until he puts more honesty into his work.
.02
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
I don't care about "victory"
Said I wasn’t trying to be an asshole
I’m ALWAYS confrontational.
Just thought the headline COULD leave people thinking he was from Houston is all
I actually think the article is very good
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by AllenOU on Feb 15, 2012 3:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
From me, it wasn't meant as an insult
I guess it’s more a matter of a background thing to me, centered around aspects unique to Mario (he is a beautiful and unique snowflake).
For example, the print press has vilified Mario from the very beginning. Whether it’s been from the “doesn’t show up to play but I was too busy pulling up a chair to the buffet to notice he was kicking ass” guy or to the guy still writing love poems to VY, Mario has been unfairly treated since day one. I mean, how many people, amazingly, STILL believe VY would’ve been the better pick? I know at least three people who call themselves Texans fans who believe this. Not kidding.
I also haven’t seen much about Mario being involved in the community, and I’ve never heard him say much more than the company line about Houston.
But, you’re right, it’s a commonly used phrase. In Mario’s case, to me, there’s something different about him and the situation. That’s all.
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot
Didn't Mario buy the Houston Popo a bunch of Camero's?
But I agree with what you said. Compare and contrast what JJ Watt has done in the community with Mario. Its pretty telling. However, there certainly is room for the possibility that Mario does more behind the scenes and/or simply shy’s away from publicity. But I doubt it.
I also agree that the mistreatment he has received in Houston by so called “Texans’ fans” may well play a role in any decision he makes to leave. Why not go somewhere were he will be beloved from the get go than having to continue to live in the shadow of an overhyped, underperforming, spoiled, immature, self centered player who is worshiped by a vocal minority?
I dunno. The more I think about it, the more I’m starting to believe Mario is gone. It is just a matter of time.
He did
And it’s not a knock on Mario. Nobody should be who they aren’t.
Mostly, I just think a huge chunk of the community never treated him like he was “home,” a disposition polished and shit-shined by our uber-crappy Houston press.
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot
I guess it’s more a matter of a background thing to me, centered around aspects unique to Mario (he is a beautiful and unique snowflake).
WTITYB
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter | Football Outsiders | Battle Red Blog
by riversmccown on Feb 15, 2012 5:33 PM CST up reply actions
Rivers
You, too, are a beautiful and unique snowflake.
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
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Slightly yellowed
I have not yet begun to defile myself.
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by MDC on Feb 15, 2012 8:05 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Talk about the pot calling the kettle....
YEAH, I said it
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by AllenOU on Feb 15, 2012 3:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 15, 2012 3:27 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Indeed
Every fan of every team in the history of sports has thrown round the term “hometown discount” when the time comes to retaining a key player. And about 95% of the time, it turns out to be just another pipe dream fueled by blind faith than it does an actual possibility.
I think we need to be more realistic, especially in this case. All it takes is one team and one ridiculous offer to make the “hometown discount” look a lot less appealing.
Kubiak believes in you
I don't know about riversmccown
But I’m a native Houstonian and I like what we’ve got going here. I hope that players like Mario and Andre Johnson somewhat consider Houston home. I’ve still got a little bit of idealist left me and and while it wouldn’t shock me if Mario walked to make more money somewhere else, I wouldn’t really be shocked if he took a little less to stay a Texan.
He wouldnt take a discount for houston
he MIGHT because of his teammates and coaches. players love kubes and wade
@THEREALALLENOU on twitter - "The man, the verb, the legend" OU'd
I've always had the feeling
that he still kind of resents the way he was treated early on by the fans and local media.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
I still have the exact same feeling
He just never seemed to really warm up to the city the same way some of the newcomers like Watt have.
by brightshinies on Feb 15, 2012 4:16 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know about riversmccown either
Seems kind of fishy.
- Rivers McCown, From Mom's Basement | Twitter | Football Outsiders | Battle Red Blog
by riversmccown on Feb 15, 2012 3:41 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 5 recs
Incumbent?
I thought there was no politics
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
I am Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on Feb 15, 2012 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
Rec'd for this
But if you squint and look at the Arian Foster deal, keeping Chris Myers, potentially locking up Duane Brown and Connor Barwin, and weigh that against locking a lot of guaranteed money into an elite pass rusher who has played 18 games over the past two seasons … I can see the logic.
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
Our Andre, who art from Heaven, hallowed by thy name.
Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on Earth as it is in Canton.
I'll avoid getting into rehashed of Foster and Myers....
But Connor Barwin’s extension? Seriously? He’s not earned big bucks at this point. He’ll have to earn a big deal with a second good season.
"Lord, beer me strength."
His contract expires after next season
So if he does have another big season, he’s getting paid
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 15, 2012 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
The thing is will he have a good year.
cause if Mario comes back, he moves back to SOLB. Where he pretty much did just ok.
2012 1st round draft pick is...............
Yeah, but there's no way we be able to keep him after next season if we resign Mario
Plus we need to be able to resign Duane Brown as well since his contract expires next season as well. I could live with Mario leaving, keeping Barwin & Reed at OLB, drafting someone in the mid rounds to rotate in, then locking up Foster, Myers, Barwin, & Brown
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 15, 2012 1:43 PM CST up reply actions
Or they could attempt to extend him in this offseason
And even still, the guy won’t be sniffing Suggs money.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Exactly my point
but the inference has been there that Barwin will make megabucks….not happening unless he starts forcing turnovers.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Barwin better be happy he playing.
He was a backup just a year before on a 4-3 Defense.
2012 1st round draft pick is...............
Did you forget to use the sarcasm font?
Barwin has earned his starting job here for sure. His work ethic, intensity (motor) and instincts are looking outstanding.
He was on IR a year before
And before that he was a rookie situational pass rusher in a shitty 4-3. He was pretty outstanding this year.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
fred bennett had one outstanding year...
@THEREALALLENOU on twitter - "The man, the verb, the legend" OU'd
I am not shitting on barwin cause he did do good this year.
Just saying if we never switched to 3-4 he would still be coming off the bench.
2012 1st round draft pick is...............
We'd also have no choice but to keep Mario
‘Cause, we’d still suck, and even more-so without him.
Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.
"Will it never be noon?" Duke of Orleans to the Dauphin and Constable of France every Sunday before the Texans play.
by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 15, 2012 3:50 PM CST up reply actions
That could also be why you do it now.
As Tim has lamented, you could have locked up Foster for Jamaal Charles money at the right time.
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by riversmccown on Feb 15, 2012 3:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
The Mothership has a Sale on Jersey's
Mario Williams Jerseys
True arrogance has been displayed here- WestministerRavensfan or something
Hi My name is Jack, why don't you help me off?
Seriously?
Somebody pointed that out last off-season about Okoye jerseys. That doesn’t bode well for his future here.
More like a last ditch attempt to cash in on merchandise sales while they still can
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
He's not under contract...
It’s usually when products go on sale/clearance to make room for new inventory
It’s just business sense to mark it down.
"Lord, beer me strength."
actually
its because Nike is taking over as the jersey supplier… most all jersey’s are going to go on sale.
by coltsfanbeforemanning on Feb 15, 2012 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
I forgot about that.
I wonder if there is any news on this front? Potential uniform alterations, if any? Who knows.
by brightshinies on Feb 15, 2012 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
I heard Nike will be trying out some sleeker designs of the uniforms/helmets/etc.
They usually do a better job than Reebok. It’s going to be interesting to see what they come up with.
"Sometimes my ninjitsu styles come out when I don’t even want ‘em to,"—Antonio Smith.
Only thing that looks bad is the pants
and the sleeves coming out of the jersey. And tha pants might actually look better if the model had some calves, thighs and hamms
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by professortex on Feb 18, 2012 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
Sucks.
Looks like Arena Football League shit.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
Uni sucks, but helmet looks good.
"Sometimes my ninjitsu styles come out when I don’t even want ‘em to,"—Antonio Smith.
This guy has a raging clue. Rec for you.
"Lord, beer me strength."
by TexansDC on Feb 15, 2012 5:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Flagged for apostrophes gone wild.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
There are so many angles to consider in this thing...
Would the Texans be going after Mario with a big offer if he had been drafted by another team and were up for FA, considering his future potential/athletic ability vs injury and performance history?
When Mario is healthy and has the motor going full, he’s incredible. Unfortunately that isn’t every snap, and certainly not every game due to the nagging injury history.
Mario Williams is to the defense what an aircraft carrier is to the U.S. military – when fully operational and in the theater of battle, it’s a total game changer. Both are pretty damned expensive. Neither do a damn thing to help win if sitting on the bottom of the ocean or parked on the sidelines.
Some team who hasn’t seen Williams’ injury history firsthand is going to “overbid” for the elite pass rusher that he is and get something less than they desired for a portion of the season.
I wish Williams the best if he leaves, at least when he isn’t playing the Texans, because he had to endure a lot more criticism than he ever deserved here. He was never the problem.
So true
by MeMongo on Feb 15, 2012 1:43 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
My grandfather was on that ship during WWI
A sharp tongue is the only edged tool that grows keener with constant use.--Washington Irving
by Foster Child on Feb 15, 2012 8:18 PM CST up reply actions
Has anybody seen Mayock mock?
You want believe who he has us taking.
http://forum.walterfootball.com/showthread.php?25693-Mel-Kiper-s-Mock-Draft-2-0
2012 1st round draft pick is...............
He's thinking we'll spend a 1st round draft pick to fill the NT spot? No way.
It will be a receiver, LB or OL depending on our re-signing FA situation.
Sigh.
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
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"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot
Rivers great article as always
Sad but true is the best way to describe Mario’s situation. Question do we pursue a Paul Solai as a possible NT? He’s talented but has not been a dominant player, just curious
he CAN play 3-4 end
but you two are still right
@THEREALALLENOU on twitter - "The man, the verb, the legend" OU'd
i know we could use another 3-4 end.
but not sure a first round backup.
2012 1st round draft pick is...............
Good teams draft for depth/future replacements quite often.
The Packers, Ravens, and Steelers all did it last year. It’s a product of having a solid roster and drafting late; #26 isn’t likely to be an immediate impact player like #11. And the only position on our defense where age is a factor is Antonio Smith’s DE spot. He’ll be 33 when his contract expires in 2014; ideally we’d wait one more year to find his replacement, but if if there’s 5-tech depth late in the first, it’d be hard to pass up.
Wait a min you did say good teams draft for depth/ future replacements right?
So after one year without manning playing of course we are considerd a good team?
2012 1st round draft pick is...............
I'd say our starting roster is as good as any in football.
And I don’t think trying to draft a day-one starter at #26 is going to make us a better football team in 2012.
It all depends on who you get at 26.
If we get Michael Floyd, trust me he will be starting. As far as D-line nobody might come in and start day one.
2012 1st round draft pick is...............
For some reason I read that as a 3-4 tight end.
Which may be a position we invent.
Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.
"Will it never be noon?" Duke of Orleans to the Dauphin and Constable of France every Sunday before the Texans play.
by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 15, 2012 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
We have a few of those :P
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
I am Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on Feb 15, 2012 4:47 PM CST up reply actions
Which is probably why I read it that way.
Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.
"Will it never be noon?" Duke of Orleans to the Dauphin and Constable of France every Sunday before the Texans play.
by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 15, 2012 7:10 PM CST up reply actions
He's got Rueben Randle goin in the first
ahead of Sanu and Alshon. hmmmmmm
Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!
by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 15, 2012 1:59 PM CST up reply actions
smart man
sanu is so overrated due to youtube its not funny. at 26 that would be a huge letdown
randle will be the better of the three BY FAR
@THEREALALLENOU on twitter - "The man, the verb, the legend" OU'd
Its very hard to tell IMO
I didnt see a lot of Rutgers games but I have talked to quite a few people that have and they speak of Sanu as an absolute force. Most say he will break the 4.5 mark at the combine and shut down the “no straight line speed” knock. I see his potential as a deadly WR2, but I am greedy and want a guy that can impact immediately but still have WR1 ceiling. Jeffery and Randle seem to fit that bill a little better.
Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!
by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 15, 2012 2:09 PM CST up reply actions
NO CHANCE
he breaks 4.5
lucky if he is 4.55 – 4.57 range
of course rutgers fans say he is awesome, but the guy is way to raw to spend a first round pick on. poor route runner, SEVERELY overrated blocker.
Randle has the chance to be a top 10 WR in the league. He also could be jacoby jones.
@THEREALALLENOU on twitter - "The man, the verb, the legend" OU'd
I will answer this question
as soon as you have an avatar the ISNT twilight.
seriously
@THEREALALLENOU on twitter - "The man, the verb, the legend" OU'd
by AllenOU on Feb 15, 2012 3:13 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
it pains me to see it lol
I think alshon well actually run in the mid 4.6s
@THEREALALLENOU on twitter - "The man, the verb, the legend" OU'd
Im very interested to see what kinda shape he is in
According to SoCal’s fanpost he is working hard to get into shape for the combine. I think a good combine alone will make him our target personally.
Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!
by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 15, 2012 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
Randle should go before Sanu.
I think somebody is going to want Jeffrey early.
2012 1st round draft pick is...............
All of them had such horrid QB play its tough to judge
Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!
by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 15, 2012 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
I get that feeling as well
I thing Jeffrey is a beast. I like him as much as Blackmon. Yes, I know that’s nuts, but he passes the eyeball test. Watching him run through an SEC labrynth and still put up solid numbers with an average QB, at best, speaks volume. I see a similar skill set in him as Andre. No, not as good as Andre, but similar. My biggest question mark on him is dedication. Is he going to be a diva/slacker; a la Randy Moss, Michael Crabtree, etc? Houston could be good for him. With players like ’Dre to teach him how to be a pro (read: kick his ass if he gets out of line) he could really be great. I see a ceiling of Brandon Marshall, and a floor of Mike Williams (the one drafted in 2005 by the Lions from USC).
I don't understand "t-sip" as an insult. I like drinking tea, and when is being classy a bad thing?
On NFLN, Mayock just repeated the doubts about Jeffery's ability to separate.
Together with his reputation for laziness (perhaps deserved, perhaps not), this worry removes him from the 1st-round draft board, AFAIAC.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
I think you are probably right on that
He is drifting down, but let’s keep our eye on him, with the Combine coming up.
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
I'm still in the:
“sign Mario and draft an interior Olinemen in the 1st round” boat. I see this growing trend of Mario lacks in “value” discussion, but I want to see the Texans geared for a Superbowl push in the next 2-3 seasons. I think Mario gives us our best chance to do so.
We’re thinking “too rationally” I think. I see nothing wrong with pushing the limits of our salary cap space for 2-3 seasons at the expense of having a team that is primed for a Superbowl run.
after all
we’ve lived with the opposite for 10 seasons.
It's not just this year. Duane Brown's new deal is coming next year, and it will need lots of room.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
The salary cap
is projected to go up in 2013 and 2014. Not that it will solve ALL issues, but it’s worth remembering.
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Don't the new TV contract make for the cap to spike up in 2014?
I know I’ve heard a lot about players wanting to short-term deal it to cash in on those mega contracts.
"Lord, beer me strength."
fair
but I think we’re in a solid position to do so if we consider restructuring as well as the salary cap going up in the coming years.
I hate you and you made my kitties cry!
But, yeah: Mario is a delicate flower. If he won’t take a deal that would be a foolish personal decision for him, we will probably have to say goodbye.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
I think it comes down to money, money and maybe money,
His talent and impact is undeniable IMO. He spent the last two season on IR because the coaching staff shut him down year before last once we were out of contention and this past year I remember info coming out during the playoffs that Mario would have been able to play had he not been IR’d. Though, he was hurt, he would not have missed as much time if it was up to him. The man had 5 sacks in 5 games at a new position, in a new scheme, with a new coordinator and ton of pressure in a contract year. No way the coaches shut him down like they did this season if they didnt have plans to try and re-sign him.
Fact is, he takes our pass rush, and therefore our defense, to the next level. Find a way. If not, it’s our loss.
Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!
by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 15, 2012 2:05 PM CST reply actions
Does Mario make us better?
Absolutely.
But there are other ways to make your team better. Committing a big chunk of cap space to a questionable investment with too many other guys to take care of is not one of them. It’s not as simple as just “finding a way.”
Kubiak believes in you
Off Topic
Fat Albert released from Tampa Bay. What do we have to sacrifice to the football Gods that he doesn’t join any team that the Texans play next season.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/31363/bucs-free-up-another-7-2-million
Matt Schoob, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, Jacoby Ford, Kevin Walters, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!
bring his fat lazy ass on
time for payback for ruining our Super Bowl run
Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!
by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 15, 2012 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
somehow I fear he isnt in our division
yet we will play him twice
@THEREALALLENOU on twitter - "The man, the verb, the legend" OU'd
I saw we sign him.
Then Schaub can run his fat ass over with his scooter. Then cut his ass.
Matt Schoob, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, Jacoby Ford, Kevin Walters, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!
by MeSoLongHorny on Feb 15, 2012 2:09 PM CST up reply actions 11 recs
lol
"My idea of an agreeable person is a person who agrees with me." -- Benjamin Disraeli
"If you really want something in life you have to work for it. Now quiet, they're about to announce the lottery numbers." -- Homer Simpson
"There is no rehab for stupid." -- Chris Rock
Never try to baptize a cat.
If the Jags pick him up I'm going to flood the ship channel with vomit
….and Schaub should start ordering bionic limbs
Those will be the only two games
That Schaub will watch from home or an undisclosed location.
Matt Schoob, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, Jacoby Ford, Kevin Walters, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!
by MeSoLongHorny on Feb 15, 2012 2:11 PM CST up reply actions
Another undisclosed location
Matt Schoob, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, Jacoby Ford, Kevin Walters, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!
by MeSoLongHorny on Feb 15, 2012 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 6 recs
lol
just noticed schaub
CUT JACOBY JONES CUT JACOBY JONES CUT JACOBY JONES
CUT JACOBY JONES CUT JACOBY JONES CUT JACOBY JONES
CUT JACOBY JONES CUT JACOBY JONES CUT JACOBY JONES
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by Carter Liles on Feb 15, 2012 4:50 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If That Doesn't Become Someone's Avatar
I’ll be stunned.
Ecstatic that Texans fandom no longer means that April is the highlight of my season...
wait wait
I’ve been staring at this picture for the last 20 minutes trying to find Waldo. Did you replace him with that Schaub picture?
Lol. No he's not under Schaub's picture.
Hell I can’t find that bastard either. Must be under the “Where’s Waldo” logo.
Matt Schoob, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, Jacoby Ford, Kevin Walters, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!
by MeSoLongHorny on Feb 16, 2012 1:24 PM CST up reply actions
Isn't that him waving from behind the logo?
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Feb 16, 2012 5:51 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Unfortunately,
Right when the ISS goes directly over Albert, he eats a donut which causes some weight gain and then causes for him to have his own gravitational pull. Because of this, the ISS will shift ever so slightly and it will begin a decaying orbit, eventually burning up in the atmosphere……..
You're just ALL full of happy stories, aren't you?
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"There is no rehab for stupid." -- Chris Rock
Never try to baptize a cat.
Hey you know what I noticed watching NFL network the other day?
Was Pollard the one that injured Gronkowski in the AFC Championship game? Man, that guy is a injury machine for the Patriots stars!! Brady, Welker and Gronk have all felt the pain!!
Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!
by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 15, 2012 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
I swore to never listen to J&R again. They are an embarrassment to what 610 used to be.
Josh Ennis is a joke. He talks more about his disgusting sex life or entertainment news than he does sports. Which is rightful, since he knows more about those subjects than sports, specifically Houston sports. I would listen to ESPN if I want an “objective” opinion (aka “The Texans need a CB in the 1st rd!”) but there is a difference between being a homer and just being close to the team with intimate knowledge of depth and front office tendencies. Fuck 610, they cannot compete with the Big Show in the mornings, and Charlie in the afternoons, I hope they are forced to fire Ennis bc ratings are plummeting.
//end rant
Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!
by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 15, 2012 2:21 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
FUCK JOSH INNES
is the lesson for today folks
and SCK just made me want to have hi babies!!!!!
@THEREALALLENOU on twitter - "The man, the verb, the legend" OU'd
I'm no fan of his either, but they just re-signed Josh to a two year deal
The issue with 610 is they have Vander-homer in the morning and an raging idiot in the afternoon. The only reason I listen is for the access to coaches, players and former coaches/players in interviews. I turn it down or off otherwise.
The only reason that Josh Innes has a job
is because of who his dad is, he isn’t always completely un-listenable, but those times are too few to really talk about. The solution is to just listen to 790, it’s not perfect, but most of the time it’s better.
by Bobbythegreat on Feb 15, 2012 2:33 PM CST up reply actions
he has some knowledge
but his douchebaggery is too much to handle
790 is so far ahead its not funny
@THEREALALLENOU on twitter - "The man, the verb, the legend" OU'd
I hear a lot of people do AMR
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
by Hydroshock on Feb 15, 2012 2:46 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Dont know where you heard that from considering she is engaged or married.
2012 1st round draft pick is...............
How overrated is she
I see hotter women EVERYDAY ot the Kroger on 43rd and Ella
@THEREALALLENOU on twitter - "The man, the verb, the legend" OU'd
this could be true.
but come on allen if she is butt naked in your room, you mean to tell me you would not hit that?
2012 1st round draft pick is...............
If lady gaga was naked in my room Id probably hit that
even BFD if hes already there.
YES I WOULD
@THEREALALLENOU on twitter - "The man, the verb, the legend" OU'd
I live just north of campus
So, yeah, plenty of better choices.
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He has some broad sport knowledge and history stuff
congrats you read the sports almanac! The whole station is too gimmicky and immature. Vanderhomer is okay at times but John Lopez ruins the mornings for me, then Jim Rome repeats himself for a few hours, then J&R take polls about the Grammys and make fart noises for a few more hours and then the Odd Couple wraps it all up with Barry Warner proving further he is slipping into senility.
Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!
by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 15, 2012 2:58 PM CST up reply actions
Sorry
Now it’s Mike Meltzer right? He actually might be their best personality.
Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!
by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 15, 2012 3:54 PM CST up reply actions
Pollard has probably spared us at least one Patriots' superbowl victory.
And for that, I thank him. There’s no gloating like New Englander gloating.
I think he needs to be killed just to be on the safe side.
Because if the two happen to meet and Haynesworth looks at him cross-eyed, Schaub will likely disintegrate next time.
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by UprootedTexan on Feb 15, 2012 3:00 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't know how I feel about Mario
I dunno really how I feel about him. For Dunta, I loved him as a Texan, but I would’ve let him go too. I almost feel like Mario owes the organization more than he’s giving us. I know it’s not his fault we picked him first, but I just feel like he should give us a discount. I mean he received 50+ million but has been hurt, you mention the last 2 years, but it seems like he hasn’t practiced since we drafted him. I know it’s business, and me expecting a hometown discount is probably optimistic. But I have defended him for years, and if he left, I’m not really sure I’d wish him that well. He’s got the tools, but he’s never really been a leader or able to stay on the field. I dunno, I just can’t figure out how I feel about him.
do you want mario
or barwin for less $$$
thats what it comes down to.
sign mario, and barwin walks next year.
let mario walk, and barwin prob gets extended
@THEREALALLENOU on twitter - "The man, the verb, the legend" OU'd
Well damn if those are my options
Good bye Barwin and take the whole Bulls on Parade with you.
2012 1st round draft pick is...............
Resigning Mario though may mean we won't be able to afford Duane Brown either
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 15, 2012 2:33 PM CST up reply actions
thats just a guess
they can make it work. His value is A LOT higher with us than other teams
@THEREALALLENOU on twitter - "The man, the verb, the legend" OU'd
You don't think Oakland & Atlanta wouldn't throw money at him?
They run zone blocking schemes as well
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 15, 2012 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
Yes they do
Which is why they were so effective in defending it when they played us. It’ll be even more evident with Knapp being their new Offensive Coordinator
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 15, 2012 2:59 PM CST up reply actions
have you been over to the raiders blog site?
The hate the zone blocking over. they love the power run.
2012 1st round draft pick is...............
Watch how much that will change with Knapp
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 15, 2012 3:03 PM CST up reply actions
we will see.
if they go to the zone again it will be for the bad. Run DMC is not a good zone runner.
2012 1st round draft pick is...............
oh they would
but it will be 3-4 teams, not 11-12 teams. He is a priority IMO
@THEREALALLENOU on twitter - "The man, the verb, the legend" OU'd
I just still can't believe
that Mario will get what everyone keeps saying he will. The guy is one of the most injury prone DE’s or OLB’s around, maybe because he often plays through the injures someone won’t realize that, but if they look into it at all they will realize he has been hurt just about every year he has been in the league. It would take a really poor organization to throw crazy amounts of money his way.
by Bobbythegreat on Feb 15, 2012 2:38 PM CST up reply actions
Theres plenty of those.
Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!
by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 15, 2012 3:00 PM CST up reply actions
Somebody is going to throw crazy money at the man, make no mistake.
I have not done the research, but one thing to consider is what successful/playoff caliber teams have the cap space to make a serious offer? If I am Mario, money is absolutely important. However, I have suffered through some pretty mediocre seasons, poor defensive play, and I am already rich beyond my wildest dreams. Do I walk away from a legitimate superbowl contender that will make me the centerpiece of its D behind a proven D coordinator OR do I take more money and go to a bad/rebuilding team with only hopes of a playoff birth? If that is the case, I’m inclined to believe he stays here. However, if a good team offers me serious money beyond what the Texans offer? Then it really becomes a no-brainer. Adios, H-town.
Unfortunately something tells me that either a) Mario will just take the most money he can get (especially if he becomes the highest paid defensive player ever) or b) he will remember how poorly a sizeable percentage of Houston fans treated him and be on his way. All those people who unfairly criticized him may be about to get their wish.
by USMC_JA on Feb 15, 2012 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I tell you what
I will worry about later, half way through 2012 season. I say that because we will let people go that year too. If kevin walter is still here, he will be gone next year along with shaun cody and maybe rashard Butler.
2012 1st round draft pick is...............
Really?
Can’t say I agree there. Especially considering everyone else we’d eventually have to release or part ways with because of Mario’s overwhelming contract.
by brightshinies on Feb 15, 2012 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
You mention that Mario has an issue staying healthy
I would like to add that he has finished the last two seasons on IR.
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by Rip Jersey on Feb 15, 2012 2:38 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Plus he's played through a number of injuries
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 15, 2012 2:39 PM CST up reply actions
I think he's only had one
injury free season actually.
by Bobbythegreat on Feb 15, 2012 2:40 PM CST up reply actions
Mario is as good as gone
Too many bad teams with a ton of cap space to lure him away. I will literally be shocked if he ends up staying here.
"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce
Im with you
+400 he ends up in St Louis
@THEREALALLENOU on twitter - "The man, the verb, the legend" OU'd
i have to say ALLEN never would have thought aout st Louis.
i can really see that happening. If that happens they might let chris long go in 2013 and we get him right?
2012 1st round draft pick is...............
I'm taking Tampa
They have almost 70 mil in cap space after cutting Haynesworth
"...you may all got hell, and I will go to Texas!"
-Davey Crockett
I feel like he'd want to sign with a team with a better chance of winning something
by brightshinies on Feb 15, 2012 4:27 PM CST up reply actions
Zeroes trump everything.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
Not always true
Look at Tim Wakefield. He could’ve earned far more money in his career had he wished, but staying in Boston was more important for him. He’s an extreme example, but there are players like him.
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He's going to be able to DOUBLE his contract to play somewhere other than Houston
Someone’s going to make him an offer he can’t refuse…
"...you may all got hell, and I will go to Texas!"
-Davey Crockett
Mario likes to drive fast
Fast cars cost a lot of money. Mario will want all the money he can get to keep driving fast.
Bandwagon fan since Oct. 6, 1999.
This is the exception not the rule however
95% of athletes follow the money.
"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce
If you literally are shocked
can I be the one that runs the electricity through you?
Houston Texans: 1 Playoff Win.
Vince Young, Dunta Robinson, and Jason Babin: 0 Combined Playoff Wins.
I think some people are missing the biggest point
It has nothing to do if the Texans want him back or not. Some teams, especially Tampa are WAY under the cap. Tampa will have close to 70 MILLION DOLLARS to sign free agents this season alone. It doesn’t matter how they restructure contracts, they can’t match that number without losing top stars like Andre, Demeco, Schaub, Joseph, etc. Someone, and I think it’s Tampa, is going to offer him the highest contract ever for a non QB. He’s going to get over 100 mill over 5 years. Probably even 120 over 6. The Texans can’t match that. They know that. Mario knows that. MARIO’s AGENT KNOWS THAT FOR SURE!!! He’d be dumb not to test the open market. When he does, he’s gonna find that he’s gonna get twice the money that NNamdi got. The new CBA and TV contracts are pushing these guys value WAY UP.
"...you may all got hell, and I will go to Texas!"
-Davey Crockett
i just threw up on my keyboard.
sucks to be a tampa fan. although theres only like 6 of those guys
Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!
by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 15, 2012 3:02 PM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't sleep on Tampa
remember, they won 10 games 2 years ago. I think they could add some pretty good pieces since they saved so much money last year. Last years cap is rolling over to this year, and they could very well end up with 4-5 premier free agents. Mario, Colston, Stephen Tulloch, Reggie Nelson, and Ben Grubbs, could all realisticly be had for that amount of money.
"...you may all got hell, and I will go to Texas!"
-Davey Crockett
I wonder if they let Ronde barber go?
Should texans look at getting him for a year or two?
2012 1st round draft pick is...............
true, but they have 70 mill to help fill in those holes
and they’ll be playing a last place schedule again. They are going to sign someone to a huge contract, and when they were great, they had great Dlines. Mario Williams seems like a natural fit for them.
"...you may all got hell, and I will go to Texas!"
-Davey Crockett
There is going to be a spending floor that is going to be creeping in soon, though.
It was part of the new CBA. They are going to have to spend a certain amount of money on players over the next few years, or they don’t get some of their TV money. They’ll spend that money whether they want to or not.
"...you may all got hell, and I will go to Texas!"
-Davey Crockett
D-line might be the only place on their team that they actually have talent.
I don’t think they’re going to give up on Bowers and Clayborn after one season. They need help in the secondary if they’re really going to fix that defense.
You can never have enough pass rushers
Just ask the giants. Osi Uminyora doesn’t even start. And neither does Aldon Smith in SF for that matter…
"...you may all got hell, and I will go to Texas!"
-Davey Crockett
Aldon Smith doesn't start?
But, but… he was a first round pick! Seventh overall! FIRST-ROUNDERS ARE SUPPOSED TO START!
/forgot how to use sarcasm font
Kubiak believes in you
And I think we all saw what happened when the Texans spent a little bit of money after the 2010 season...
Houston Texans: 1 Playoff Win.
Vince Young, Dunta Robinson, and Jason Babin: 0 Combined Playoff Wins.
does Tampa have a defensive coordinator almost as good as Wade?
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by BattleRedFan on Feb 16, 2012 6:16 AM CST up reply actions
sucks to be a tampa fan. although theres only like 6 of those guys
Did you include my brother in that group of 6? There could actually be 7.
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Never try to baptize a cat.
At last count, it was your brother, the owner, and 4 minor members of the Coaching Staff.
Houston Texans: 1 Playoff Win.
Vince Young, Dunta Robinson, and Jason Babin: 0 Combined Playoff Wins.
He's not going to get that much money...
Regardless of how much cap room teams have, there’s still a reasonable limit on the amount they’re willing to give one player. He’s not good enough to become the highest-paid player in the league.
you don't have to be the best player in the league to be one of the highest paid...
you just have to be in the right place at the right time. Revenues are at their highest and probably won’t be going down, and some teams have TONS of cap space. Mario is young and talented. Today’s steep price can sometimes be tomorrow’s bargain. 8 years ago, They made Simeon Rice the highest paid defensive player with a 5 year, 41 mil contract. That’s chump change today. Julius Peppers more than doubled that only four years later (6 years 91 mil). Mario Williams is going to get 100+. That doesn’t mean he’s the best player. It’s just the way the business works…
"...you may all got hell, and I will go to Texas!"
-Davey Crockett
While I agree that someone will fork up a lot to sign him
I don’t think there’s any way he gets 100 mil. I mean, what has he done to deserve that kind of bank?
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
he's got about the same sacks/game ratio as Peppers
Peppers 154 games…100.0 Sacks
Mario 82 games… 53.0 sacks
Peppers—0.64 sacks per game
Mario—0.65 sacks per game
He’s only 27…He’s going to get PAID and everyone is going to say WOW!!!
I’d bet anything it’s over 100 mil
"...you may all got hell, and I will go to Texas!"
-Davey Crockett
Maybe, but I just don't see it
That’s a huge investment with a whole lot of question marks. People talk about Schaub’s durability, and even Andre’s is beginning to come into question. Well if we’re being honest then we have to consider Mario’s injury history as well.
I think it hurts his market value, but not enough to keep him from getting a deal that lures him away.
I'm a man!! I'm forty!!
Yup. He's bling.
Some sucker will over-pay for him.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
They're predicted to sign at least two free-agent starters
As you say, quite a few teams have major cap space available. Throw in his history of injuries they whould let him walk and sign Anthony Spencer or Jarrett Johnson to go in rotation with Barwin, Reed and Braman. This would leave enough cap room to re-sign Foster, Myers and Brisiel as well as a wide receiver. Demeco Ryans could be a cap casualty and doesn’t really fit this defensive system. I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see them pick an ILB or OLB in the first round.
Bud Adams hater
Tampa has been 70 mil under the cap for years. They don't like to spend it.
But since the new CBA says the have to spend…what 90%(?)….They are gonna throw some money this year.
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by professortex on Feb 15, 2012 11:37 PM CST up reply actions
That doesn't kick in
until 2013, iirc.
I have not yet begun to defile myself.
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Whatever happens, I will always be a Mario Williams fan.
by WhiskeyR on Feb 15, 2012 3:19 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
As much as I like the guy
I can’t say I’d say the same thing
by brightshinies on Feb 15, 2012 4:28 PM CST up reply actions
Yup.
I have not yet begun to defile myself.
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The only thing that would make me sicker...
…nope, can’t think of anything.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
by FreedomRide on Feb 16, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
i can.
jerruh’s world along with jests. honestly if he is gone, good bye. my allegiance is to the team. except for dre. i would cheer for him even in fort worth or methopotamia.
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by NoSafetiesNeeded on Feb 16, 2012 1:34 PM CST up reply actions
i agree
He will be playing elsewhere.
by TexansForLife on Feb 15, 2012 3:27 PM CST via mobile reply actions
he wont get peppers money
Peppers doesn’t miss games
by TexansForLife on Feb 15, 2012 3:29 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Can we get a new sidebar
with a list of the Texans free agents along with info on salaries and the cap? Maybe when FA starts update it with who signs and the new cap reflection?
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Hurts, but I think he's gone.
But as long as it isn’t the Titans, I wish him the best in his future.
by Mike Kerns on Feb 15, 2012 3:30 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
As long as it isn't anywhere in the AFC South
I’m hoping he goes NFC if he doesn’t stay here.
by MeMongo on Feb 15, 2012 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
thats why im HOPING for St Louis
I also love me some jeff fisher and sammy B, and the rams are my NFC team
@THEREALALLENOU on twitter - "The man, the verb, the legend" OU'd
Bring him up to Chicago
Stick him along the line opposite Peppers. Yikes!
by brightshinies on Feb 15, 2012 4:29 PM CST up reply actions
That's my fear...
Cap room + Bud’s “Fuck Houston” streak + Need a pass rusher = Scared.
"Lord, beer me strength."
He could make our pass rush monstrous,
but some other team looking for a big score will offer him infinite money, which he would be a fool to turn down.
Adios, Mario: we’re gonna miss you.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
He is gone to Rich for the Texans!!!!
The Texans will not be able to re-sign Mario and I wish that we do a Sign & Trade for another first round pick.
Follow Da Leader
by HorusKing on Feb 15, 2012 5:23 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
No chance.
Sign and trades simply do not happen in the NFL and even if they did, there is absolutely no way anybody would pay a first round pick for him.
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Despite my better judgment, a manager at Battle Red Blog.
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by UprootedTexan on Feb 15, 2012 5:45 PM CST up reply actions
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Sign and trades like this simply don’t happen. First of all, we don’t even control his rights, so any team can outbid us and just cut out the middle man, so to speak.
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If we lose them outright we get a compensatory pick right? Which round?
by jkcheng122 on Feb 15, 2012 5:46 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
they start in the 3rd round.
it also depends on who we sign and how much of an impact they have with our team.
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by NoSafetiesNeeded on Feb 15, 2012 5:53 PM CST up reply actions
Also that pick would be added on next year's draft
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by The Night Owl on Feb 16, 2012 3:29 AM CST up reply actions
Not only that, but the Jags way overpaid for Poz. The Bills were way better off with Nick Barnett and he was way cheaper even though their injury histories were pretty similar.
by MattRichWarren on Feb 16, 2012 6:48 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
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