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MOCKSTRAVAGANZA: A Look At 18 Mock Drafts From Around The Internet

As I start to write this, it is 71 days and 5 hours until the first round of the 2012 NFL Draft begins. With your Houston Texans not picking until 26th --- thanks to a little thing I like to call MAKING THE PLAYOFFS FOR THE FIRST TIME --- they probably won't be on the clock until some time after 10pm CST. (Related: Starting the draft on a Thursday night remains a stupid idea that I hate very much.)

While we (read: Tim) have linked to various mock drafts, I figured midway through February, a mere eight days prior to the start of the NFL Combine, was as good a time as any to compile all of the mocks into one post. Then, we can do the same thing again post-Combine and maybe once or twice more as late April nears. It's like a time-capsule for people with ADD!

Also, If you know of any decent mocks that I have missed, please add them in the comments with a link and the name of the player currently predicted to go to Houston. Now, onward! Let us review mock drafts in a non-mocking (for the most part) way!

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1. ESPN.com's Mel Kiper, Jr. (In$ider):

DT Jerel Worthy, Michigan State University. The hairdo's draft has a run on DTs at this point, with Dontari Poe (Memphis) going to Pittsburgh at 24 and Devon Still (Penn State) going to Denver at 25. At 6-3/305, Worthy certainly fits the Phillips mold, but I remain doubtful that the Texans would take a NT with the first pick. What's that saying, "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me every single year until I start to hate myself, shame on me"? Something like that.

Overall, Kiper has Worthy as the fifth DT off the board in the first round, with Michael Brockers (LSU) going 8th to Carolina and Fletcher Cox (Mississippi State) 15th to Philadelphia.

Choice quote: "He has a really good burst for his size, allowing him to penetrate and be really disruptive against both the run and the pass."

2. ESPN.com's Todd McShay (In$ider):

TE Coby Fleener, Stanford. Wow, two mocks in and I already have a WTF?! moment. Ignoring (a) that the Texans still have Owen Daniels and James Casey (and Garrett Graham, sorta) and (b) that the Texans have much more pressing needs than a second TE (even one who is 6-6/255), I still would hate this pick. I'd rather have Dwayne Allen (Clemson) if we're talking first-round TEs, and I'd rather have Michael Egnew (Missouri) in the late 3rd simply for the cost-benefit side of things.

Overall, McShay has only Fleener and Allen as first-round TEs, with Allen going to the New York Giants at 32.

Choice quote: "He could draw some attention to the middle away from Johnson, and with a deep wideout class Houston could find a quality receiver in the next couple of rounds."

3. Walter Football:

WR Alshon Jeffery, South Carolina. The polarizing Jeffery is one of the most popular (and, of course, unpopular) names among people discussing possible draft picks for the Texans. In the pro-Alshon group, you have people like Rivers arguing that Jeffery's upside is the type of thing that you should take a gamble on in the first round if you are dead set on taking a WR. In the anti-Alshon camp, TexansDC's argument about Jeffery not being a good system fit is oft-repeated (as are fat jokes). Personally, I'm not a huge fan of taking a first-round WR this year, as I would much rather angle for Nick Toon (Wisconsin) in the second.

Walter's mock has Jeffery as the fourth WR off the board after Justin Blackmon (Oklahoma State) to St. Louis at 4 (via trade), Kendall Wright (Baylor) to Jacksonville at 7, and Michael Floyd (Notre Dame) to Chicago at 19.

Choice quote: "How long is Gary Kubiak going to make us fantasy football owners suffer through Kevin Walter and Jacoby Jones?"

4. National Football Post's Wes Bunting:

WR Stephen Hill, Georgia Tech. I have not previously seen the 6-5/206 deep threat penciled in for Houston. I don't hate it. I also don't know if I like it. Mainly, I think I'm just opposed to a first-round WR this year barring something totally unforeseen.

Bunting has Hill coming off the board fourth among WRs after Blackmon (Minnesota at 3), Floyd (Chicago at 19), and Wright (Cleveland at 22, via last year's trade with Atlanta). He also has Mohamed Sanu (Rutgers) going 30th to San Francisco and Jeffery falling out of the first round.

Choice quote: "Hill is going to need to become a more consistent route runner."

5. SBNation's Mocking The Draft:

WR Alshon Jeffery, South Carolina. This one was already discussed here at BRB.

Overall, Jeffery is the fourth WR in the MTD first round after Blackmon at 10 to Buffalo (zuh?!), Wright at 19 to Chicago, and Floyd at 22 to Cleveland.

Choice quote: "Many want to poke fun at his weight, but Jeffery displays solid burst and athleticism to go with his ideal size and ball skills."

6. The Sideline View's Lance Zierlein:

WR Rueben Randle, LSU. As a general rule, I don't like players named after sandwiches. I mean, I can't think of any others, but I am pretty sure I feel this way. As a more specific rule, I don't like any offensive players off this year's LSU team, at least not in the first round, though I could be punishing the entire group for the failings of Jordan Jefferson.

As discussed here, Lance has the 6-4/208 Randle as the fourth WR taken behind Blackmon (6-Washington), Wright (15-Philadelphia), and Floyd (19-Chicago).

Choice quote: "The Texans' biggest need is at WR and Randle has the size and speed that will intrigue Gary Kubiak and Rick Smith."

7. Football's Future:

NT Dontari Poe, Memphis. I don't want to put too fine a point on things, but this pick arouses me. In my pants. My fan pants. Which are Zubaz print, as required by law.

Not that I think we'll take Poe (because we can't have nice things), but FF lists him as the first 3-4 NT off the board. Overall, two DTs --- Brockers and Still --- are drafted ahead of Poe in this mock.

Choice quote: "An anchor on the nose is key to any good 3-4 defense."

8. Draftek:

WR Mohamed Sanu, Rutgers. I've figured out what it is I don't like about Sanu: the fact that he went to Rutgers. What I mean is, all else being equal, when there are a bunch of WRs in the same range and you're trying to pick between them, give me the guy from the better football school. In the instant example, that would be Nick Toon, Michael Floyd, or Alshon Jeffery. Hell, I might even lump Juron Criner (Arizona) in there, but you get my point.

Draftek has Sanu as the fourth WR taken behind Blackmon, Floyd, and Wright.

Choice quote: "While Sanu lacks an elite timed speed, his quick burst off the line and out of cuts makes him a threat either outside or in the slot."

9. Scott Wright's Draft Countdown:

WR Michael Floyd, Notre Dame. Look, I fully admit that the 6-3/224 Floyd has a world of talent and could wind up being a gamebreaker. I just hate him. Not so much that I would be mad if they drafted him, but just enough that I would be relieved if he were taken earlier and it wasn't an option. I am far from rational. I know this.

Wright lists Floyd as the fourth of four first-round WRs behind Blackmon (6), Jeffery (19), and Wright (22).

Choice quote: "A big, physical wideout who is a terror in the redzone, Floyd may lack elite timed speed but he is able to make plays down the field by outmuscling and outleaping defensive backs."

10. CBSSports.com's Rob Rang:

WR Mohamed Sanu, Rutgers. Lather, rinse, repeat.

Overall, Rang has three WRs drafted before Sanu: Blackmon to the Rams at 2, Wright to the Cardinals at 13, and Floyd to the Bears at 19.

Choice quote: "Sanu isn't an elite athlete but at 6-2, 215 pounds he has the frame head coach Gary Kubiak prefers at the position and has the strength to help as a downfield blocker."

11. CBSSports.com's Dane Brugler:

WR Rueben Randle, LSU. You know earlier when I said I was opposed to players named after sandwiches? I am willing to ignore that rule for a real NT, even if his name is Monte Cristo. Randle ain't that.

Brugler thinks Randle will be the fourth WR taken behind Blackmon (Jacksonville), Wright (Chicago), and Floyd (Browns).

Choice quote: "While Arian Foster and the rushing offense picked up the slack, Johnson's absence exposed a need for more weapons at receiver."

12. The Sporting News:

WR Alshon Jeffery, South Carolina. This is getting repetitive. Also, echoing what others have said, the fact that the Texans are so closely tied to these specific WR names is making me think that none of these WRs is likely to be drafted by Houston at 26. Which kind of makes me happy.

TSN has Jeffery following Blackmon (2), Floyd (7), and Wright (20), with Criner (30) rounding out the first-round WRs.

Choice quote: "Jeffery has the size (6-4, 233), strength and rare ball skills to be an excellent complement to Johnson."

13. Big Lead Sports' Jason McIntyre:

C Peter Konz, Wisconsin. This is based on the "if Chris Myers leaves" angle, but, hey, I salute TBL for at least considering things like that, if only to make the otherwise pointless act of mocking a draft interesting. In the situation where Myers is no longer a Texan, I really like Konz with this pick. Thing is, I don't think Konz falls to 26. Also, looking again at value, I'd rather have David Molk (Michigan) in the third over Konz in the first.

McIntyre has Konz as the only center in the first round and the seventh offensive lineman taken. Notably, he has the Texans taking Konz ahead of Sanu.

Choice quote: "Yes, there’s a big need at WR, but I think the big names fly off the board early and Alshon Jeffery’s weight gain pushes him way down the board."

14. DraftSite.com:

WR Kendall Wright, Baylor. Ghandi once said, "Why don't you pull your head out of your ass and trying not being retarded for two seconds?" That's how I feel about this pick. No way are the Texans taking a sub-6-foot WR in the first round.

I don't care about how many other WRs they projected, nor should you care.

They have no quotes, which is somehow unsurprising.

15. MyNFLDraft.com:

DE/DT Fletcher Cox, Mississippi State. Despite the URL, it is not actually mine. Nevertheless, I like this pick. Cox (6-4/300) could play inside or outside in Wade Phillips' system, and he's the kind of penetrating, disruptive player that thrives in this scheme (14.5 TFL, 5 sacks in 2011).

They have Cox as the fourth DT taken behind Brockers (11), Still (24), and Poe (25).

No analysis is given, so there's nothing to quote from.

16. The New NFL Draft:

DT Devon Still, Penn State. I am unclear as to why this site thinks Still will slide to us, but I wouldn't hate it if he did. All the same, I'm not sold on Still as a great one-gap pass rusher in the NFL, and I think I'd rather have Cox or (swoon!) Poe if this beggar were to be choosy.

Honestly, the overuse of different fonts and the fact that the first round is broken up into a bunch of different pages keeps me from having any desire to see how many DTs were taken before Still. My guess is somewhere between 1 and 25.

Choice quote: "The Texans have a very good defense already right now. With that being said they don’t have the best interior defensive lineman."

17. New Sport Draft:

WR Michael Floyd, Notre Dame. I have no idea how this is a "new sport." I mean, we're not drafting Floyd in hopes that his psych-out abilities give us the edge over the Dallas Felons in the next Denslow Cup, are we?

If you think having the first round spread out over four pages makes me reticent to see how many other players were taken at a position, you should see how unlikely I am when the first four picks are all on separate pages.

No analysis after the first ten picks/pages.

18. Sideline Scholars:

OLB/DE Nick Perry, USC. Well, um . . . ok. Full disclosure: this mock has RG3 going first overall, and I fear the author might be on drugs.

Meh.

No analysis.

***

OK, I was going to try to stretch this out to 20, but the rest that I've found all seem repetitive (Jeffery! Sanu!) or silly (Perry!). So I am going to stop here. Two questions for BRBtards:

1. Of the players listed in the above mock drafts, who do you like most and who do you like least?

2. Of the universe of players NOT mocked to the Texans in the above drafts, who would you most like to see the Texans take?

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Love Floyd

The alcohol stuff doesn’t really concern me.

I think he ends up the second best WR in the draft, slightly behind Blackmon.

@THEREALALLENOU on twitter - "The man, the verb, the legend" OU'd

by AllenOU on Feb 15, 2012 4:08 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

The alcohol stuff only bothers me

because it was multiple times. How many times you gonna touch that hot stove, Mike?

But, yeah, he’s got a ton of talent.

I have not yet begun to defile myself.

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by MDC on Feb 15, 2012 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

yes I'm more worried about the stupidity of it

if it didn’t click the first two times, how dumb/douchy is he?

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Feb 15, 2012 4:10 PM CST up reply actions  

The first two were MIPs, not DWIs

I think we all should have had our fair share of those.

One DWI isn’t terrible, but another one would be

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by AllenOU on Feb 15, 2012 4:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Seems like splitting hairs to a degree.

“Hey, I got in trouble twice before I was 21 for alcohol-related tomfoolery. I know! I’ll just drink it all here, THEN drive, so I’m not in possession this time!”

/only slightly facetious

I have not yet begun to defile myself.

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by MDC on Feb 15, 2012 5:44 PM CST up reply actions  

'Zackly.

The guy looks like a fuck-up.

How many fuck-ups do we need?

"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus

by FreedomRide on Feb 15, 2012 5:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I mean seriously how did he get nailed for it twice before 21

was he a streaking enthusiast?

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Feb 15, 2012 5:55 PM CST up reply actions  

Being on south bend

The cops there are insane. If you are drinking all offseason, for what 200 days or so, and you got caught once. It’s not that big of a deal.

Let Andre teach him how to be a pro. He’s be fine. And a nasty #2

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by AllenOU on Feb 15, 2012 7:23 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

If he's drinking all offseason

“for … 200 days or so,” that’s a flag all its own, no?

I have not yet begun to defile myself.

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by MDC on Feb 15, 2012 8:00 PM CST up reply actions  

yep

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Feb 15, 2012 10:02 PM CST up reply actions  

not really

Every football player I knew at OU, and a couple were first round picks, would drink everyday during the off season. It’s COLLEGE.

Floyd just happened to get caught.

EVERY person who posts on BRB has had alcohol before they were 21.

Not a big deal for me, sorry. If you talk with him and feel he has a real issue with it, fine. But we are just guessing. It could have benn two isolated incidents, or it could be a real problem. we dont know.

You take risks at #26 in the draft when your a good team IMO, especially if a guy could be a legit #1, which he can

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by AllenOU on Feb 16, 2012 10:03 AM CST up reply actions  

The interviews will determine where he goes because his draftability will come down to this

GM: I’ve got a talented guy who has gotten into legal trouble three times in college, before he’s surrounded by tons of money and a bunch of people who will hang on him and try and get in his ear…..is this worth, potentially, gambling my job on?

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Feb 16, 2012 10:24 AM CST up reply actions  

You cant just say "legal trouble"

The DUI, admittedly, is a SMALL concern. TONS of NFL players, and I bet some texans, have had OR GOTTEN OUT OF a DUI.

The MIPs dont concern me AT ALL.

EVERY college student could have easily had an MIP, and when you are in the spotlight with lots of women and haters around, that chance escalates dramatically.

Its like some of you never experienced high school or college life at a university

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by AllenOU on Feb 16, 2012 10:28 AM CST up reply actions  

The Cardinals

should have fired Tony LaRussa after he got that DUI, that guy is clearly a troublemaker.

by Bobbythegreat on Feb 16, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Legal trouble, getting in trouble with the law, whatever.

Dude’s been caught three times before his chances will escalate again with more money and more problems.

If you don’t think that’s what GMs will be asking themselves then I don’t know what to tell you.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Feb 16, 2012 10:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Or you could see it

as someone who has learned his lesson already who will be much more prone to taking a cab or having someone else drive him from here on forward. It works both ways.

by Bobbythegreat on Feb 16, 2012 10:43 AM CST up reply actions  

his chances will escalate?

thats just a blind guess. No one knows this for sure

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by AllenOU on Feb 16, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Thank you

MIP can mean he was at a party and the cops decided to be assholes. I dont care, guys gonna be a star IMO

Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!

by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 15, 2012 8:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Second MIP

Floyd was lucky to get off that lightly, at least based on this description. “A bloodied Floyd was caught allegedly trying to flee from a fight in downtown Minneapolis.”

As for the DWI, it was 4am and only 15 months after the second MIP.

I have not yet begun to defile myself.

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by MDC on Feb 15, 2012 8:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Heated argument

over the relative contributions of Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis?

I have not yet begun to defile myself.

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by MDC on Feb 15, 2012 9:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Have you never been drunk and gotten in a fight?

I think we all have, and probably multiple times.

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by AllenOU on Feb 16, 2012 10:11 AM CST up reply actions  

I more meant downtown Minneapolis, in general, since I live around those parts

I probably know, more or less, where he was at since there’s one terrible, asking-for-trouble spot down there.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Feb 16, 2012 10:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Now if he went to that spot

knowing thats the worst place to be at, that shows immaturity for sure

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by AllenOU on Feb 16, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions  

I get that he's young and all

That happens. The GMs will interview him and see where his head’s at. If Rick trusts it then that’s fine for me. It’s the only question mark on Floyd’s resume.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Feb 16, 2012 10:40 AM CST up reply actions  

Ha ha!

In my party days, people veiwed the whole thing differently. If we got in a bar brawl, the cops just set up saw horses in the street, and ate popcorn while they watched. They pretty much just made sure there were no knives or guns.

If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan

by professortex on Feb 16, 2012 10:30 AM CST up reply actions  

So were the dinosaurs really THAT cool?

@THEREALALLENOU on twitter - "The man, the verb, the legend" OU'd

by AllenOU on Feb 16, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

You're damn right they were.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi-gYRzEKmY

13.

"Skip, once again, stop it; Be an analyst; don't be a douchebag."

by Wiedmann on Feb 26, 2012 2:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Nope.

Never.

Then again, I’ve only been drunk once, and never had a fight as an adult.

It is extremely unwise to throw punches in Texas, as so many of us are armed…

by Lawrence Person on Feb 17, 2012 5:22 AM CST up reply actions  

Knucklehead.

Do. Not. Want.

"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus

by FreedomRide on Feb 15, 2012 9:02 PM CST up reply actions  

w/e if you are drinking 200 days a year sometimes you get into fights and other stupid shit

no biggee, once het gets dre radiation on him he will be cured off stupid

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Feb 15, 2012 10:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Dre-diation?

Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!

by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 15, 2012 10:11 PM CST up reply actions  

yes

its the opposite of draids

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Feb 15, 2012 10:19 PM CST up reply actions  

How did he get a MIP then?

Was he running w a beer in his hand?

Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!

by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 15, 2012 10:10 PM CST up reply actions  

He can be a star and most likely will

but being an idiot who keeps getting in trouble with law is something the Texans have to think about if he were to be there at 26.

and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."

Our Andre, who art from Heaven, hallowed by thy name.
Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on Earth as it is in Canton.

by Joe25 on Feb 15, 2012 8:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I think he will too

not the next Tim Brown by any means, but he’ll reel in some TDs..

by MeMongo on Feb 15, 2012 8:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah I'm tired of everyone thinking just being around dre

will solve all drafted players problems. He’ll make them not dicks and not suck all at once!

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Feb 15, 2012 10:03 PM CST up reply actions  

C'mon man

I have two MIPs and a DUI and my parents didn’t do anything wrong. I was at a high school party where the cops wrote 35 eighteen yr olds MIPs for being there with a keg. Then a few of us got pulled over w a twelve pack when we were 19 heading to a party. I have never had a problem w drinking and to be honest I dont and never have been a fan of getting drunk. I’m 26 about to graduate from UH wit a degree in Structural Engineering and I graduated in the top 10 percent of my 5A high school. Sometimes people can be in the wrong place at the wrong time, don’t be so quick to judge.

Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!

by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 15, 2012 10:16 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

This I gotta agree with,

My senior year, I went apeshit doing stupid stuff before I left for the army. Nothing I’ve heard sounds any worse than the stuff we did at that age. Hell, I’d call what he did “experience”.

I’m reminded of the successful old man, when asked, “How did you get to be so good?” The old man replied, “Good judgement.” He was then asked, “How do you get ‘good judgement’?” The old man replied, “Experience.” The young person then asked, “Well, how did you get experience?” The old guy said, “Bad judgement.”

If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan

by professortex on Feb 15, 2012 10:34 PM CST up reply actions  

LOL...hey, I can fall down as good as Kjax.

but my point was that young people make mistakes and, in most cases, those mistakes serve to make them a better person (certainly some don’t learn, but most do).

Show me a kid that has never made mistakes, and I’ll show you Frances Macomber

If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan

by professortex on Feb 15, 2012 11:09 PM CST up reply actions  

if their mistakes could easily lead to hurting the team

I don’t want them figuring it out while playing for the texans

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Feb 15, 2012 11:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, there you have it

Some prefer to go with reliable mediocrity, while other are willing to take a risk for a payoff.

If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan

by professortex on Feb 16, 2012 12:07 AM CST up reply actions  

its the first round of the nfl draft

there are plenty of good players available without questions about whether they are big dumb heads.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Feb 16, 2012 1:21 AM CST up reply actions  

I reject the premise that making mistakes in life

means they are a dumb ass. It doesn’t even mean they are of a bad mindset.

All social interaction is a learning process. Some learn certain aspects of social interaction (ie. partying) at a later age. If a kid was brought up in a home where he wasn’t exposed to “partying”, then leaves home and finds himself in the party atmosphere, he won’t know how to behave. He may not know the “dos” and Don’ts" of the night life. If the wrong role models are around him, thats all he has to learn from. If he gets busted once, he may not even understand why. It may take a few to times to get it, and it has nothing to do with his intellegence.

This is especially true in the case of rediculous laws that don’t make any sense, such as MIP when you are 18. As far as I’m concerned MIP is “no foul” for anyone who is old enough to be emancipated. It is, and should be a means for parents to know that their kid got caught doing something they shouldn’t be doing

I am not trivializing the DWI incident, but kids that aren’t familiar with drinking consequences, can make that kind of mistake.

It isn’t about an episode of drinking. It is about a lifestyle decision. And it is plain wrong to judge him based on an arrest record established in a short period of time when he was very young.

At the same time, I don’t want to be accused of burying my head in the sand. We should keep an eye on him and do due dilligence. There are other ways to make a determination of his character. And those other means should be employed. Since “we” don’t have access to those other means, we have to rely on the assessment of those who do, such as the analysts, and team representatives.

If those sources say he is bad news, then I’m inclined to be wary. If they say he is behaving himself, then I’m gonna give him the benefit of the doubt. But I’m sure as hell not gonna bury him over a couple of judgement errors of his youth.

That shit pisses me off to no end. Bunch of conformity shit. If you don’t toe the line, you aren’t welcome. Fuck that, how can you be exceptional if you just conform?

If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan

by professortex on Feb 16, 2012 10:01 AM CST up reply actions  

If people are so concerned about a 19 yr old being busted for MIP

isn’t about conformity, then I don’t know what is.

If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan

by professortex on Feb 16, 2012 11:41 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

this isn't about him living an alternative lifestyle choice

its about him getting into trouble with the law, which is a bad thing for your very expensive 1st round pick to do. It is somethign that has to be considered when drafting him.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Feb 16, 2012 12:04 PM CST up reply actions  

If "getting into trouble with the law"

wasn’t so incredibly easy to do, then it would be different. You might be surprised to find out what truly separates and “upstanding citizen” from a “criminal”

by Bobbythegreat on Feb 16, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions  

What I am saying is

that the law “minor in possession” is a conformity law. It serves no function other than to make people (minors) conform. It isn’t about saftey. It isnt about responsibility. This wouldn’t be a particularly big deal if it were limited to minors under the supervision of a guardian. But for 18-20 year olds who are out on their own, it serves no purpose except to make them conform pointless rules.

If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan

by professortex on Feb 16, 2012 2:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Yet you don't get paid millions of dollars, do you?

People do dumb shit when they have that much money

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."

by The Night Owl on Feb 15, 2012 10:44 PM CST up reply actions  

My point is

People doing dumb shit when they’re really young doesn’t deem them a lifelong idiot

Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!

by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 15, 2012 11:12 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Money changes people

Look what it did to Tiger Woods

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."

by The Night Owl on Feb 16, 2012 3:30 AM CST up reply actions  

I could easily have 100+ MIPs

and 500+ DWI’s, technically

I have none of either. But take a kid like floyd, who was the big man on campus in HS and at ND, with the spotlight on him….shit happens.

you are all SO QUICK to judge someone youve never met.

Maybe he will get 2 more DUI’s in a month. Maybe he wont get one ever again.

At some point, as the texans are concerned, you cant keep playing it safe in the draft. You have to take a risk at some point, thats how good teams become great.

Dez Bryant had lots of issues, but he produces and doesnt miss games.

Loom at MOST of the WRs in the NFL. They ALL have issues except for a select few like dre and fitz and CJ.

you cant always go with the safe guy.

Look how cushing turned out even though he DID hurt the team for 4 games.

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by AllenOU on Feb 16, 2012 10:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah I don't get why

people over react to DUI’s, almost every person who goes to a bar and has more than 2 drinks and drives home is guilty of DUI, yet when someone actually gets one, it’s like they are all of a sudden a huge alcoholic. I beat the case, but I got arrested for a DUI 2 days after I got out of the Army when I had literally 3 drinks at a bar and drove home. I thought there was no way I was drunk, so I did the breathalyzer and blew a .081. It really takes nothing at all to be over the new lower legal limit.

by Bobbythegreat on Feb 16, 2012 10:14 AM CST up reply actions  

Here's why it's a big deal.
In 2009, 10,839 people were killed in alcohol-impaired driving crashes, accounting for nearly one-third (32%) of all traffic-related deaths in the United States.

That’s almost 11,000 fathers, mothers, brother, sisters, etc. that were killed in one year because of that attitude.

by willieboyd on Feb 16, 2012 4:55 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

So, roughly 19,000 people were killed

In non-alcohol related traffic accidents. I can twist that statistic to say that it is therefore safer to be involved in alcohol related accidents.

This is obviously absurd, but not any more so than your implied point that anyone who drinks and drives is responsible for an accident somewhere.

You are right that it is a severe safety issue. But I’d say blind-ass 80 year olds, moronic road hogs, road ragers, and teeny boppers that drive around texting are a bigger saftey hazzard. And none of those get you a rap sheet.

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by professortex on Feb 16, 2012 6:10 PM CST up reply actions  

ugh

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by nolander on Feb 16, 2012 6:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Seriously?

Come down to the ER and tell that to the parents who just lost their child.

by willieboyd on Feb 16, 2012 6:20 PM CST up reply actions  

You are equating a person who gets

A DWI and doesn’t get in an accident with a person who kills someone while driving drunk.

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by professortex on Feb 16, 2012 6:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually, here you go:
Man charged with DWI in fatal downtown wreck

A suspected drunk driver who allegedly ran a red light has been accused in the death of a passenger in his car during a traffic crash last weekend near downtown.

Jason Deran McCoy, 28, is charged with intoxication manslaughter in the wreck that occurred at 1300 Dowling at Polk about 4:30 a.m. Saturday, police said.

Police said Deyland Braxton, 27, was killed in the wreck. Braxton was critically injured and was rushed to Ben Taub General Hospital, where he was pronounced dead.

Police said McCoy was driving a Silver BMW southbound on Dowling when he ran a red light and slammed into a black Dodge Caliber that was traveling eastbound on Polk.

The BMW then hit a tree, bounced off a brick building and smashed into a telephone pole.

Braxton was a backseat passenger in the BMW.

McCoy, his two other passengers and the driver of the Dodge were taken to a nearby hospital. Police didn’t release their injuries or conditions but said they are expected to survive.

This guy’s parent’s would probably be enthralled by your analysis of the subject.

by willieboyd on Feb 16, 2012 6:28 PM CST up reply actions  

These people would probably not want to hear it

But thier emotional state doesn’t change the validity of the argument.

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by professortex on Feb 16, 2012 6:41 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly!

Just because they have a biased view doesn’t mean that they are right. Someone who got the shit beat out of them by a circus clown would tell you that circus clowns are evil, that doesn’t make it true.

by Bobbythegreat on Feb 17, 2012 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Wait a second

Did you just refer to someone who is against drunk driving as having a “biased view”…Yikes.

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by Mumford on Feb 17, 2012 4:04 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Crusaders against

drunk driving, yes they have biased views, most of them have been personally effected by the issue, so their opinion is no longer objective, just as if you asked a drunk what they thought about drunk driving, they wouldn’t have a subjective opinion either.

by Bobbythegreat on Feb 17, 2012 4:13 PM CST up reply actions  

That's not an opinion...

It’s advice. Good advice, granted. But there are conflicting opinions on how drunk driving should be viewed (and prosecuted). While we can all agree that it’s a shitty, irresponsible thing to do, biases are certainly going to come into play when it comes to judging somebody’s character.

If we’re talking about Jeffery, I’d say he was young and made a big mistake. Somebody who has been personally affected by drunk driving might claim that his decision to drive under the influence is indicative of his character as a whole.

by Nashmeister on Feb 17, 2012 5:18 PM CST up reply actions  

This is right.

Here is the best way I can think of to explain it. "What if it is your son or daughter that got a DWI (at least).

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by professortex on Feb 17, 2012 8:24 PM CST up reply actions  

then I would beat them with a cane

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by nolander on Feb 17, 2012 11:04 PM CST up reply actions  

ok, fine. Lets beat Floyd with a cane,

and then draft him in the first round.

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by professortex on Feb 18, 2012 10:26 AM CST up reply actions  

Let's extend the first part of this plan

to all ND football players.

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by MDC on Feb 21, 2012 2:37 PM CST up reply actions  

drunk driving is bad

this is not something up for debate. Jesus fucking christ

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by nolander on Feb 17, 2012 11:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Relax.

Because nobody in this entire thread has stated anything to the contrary.

by Nashmeister on Feb 18, 2012 12:35 AM CST up reply actions  

nobody is debating that is isn't bad

where did you get that?

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by professortex on Feb 18, 2012 10:30 AM CST up reply actions  

I’d say blind-ass 80 year olds, moronic road hogs, road ragers, and teeny boppers that drive around texting are a bigger saftey hazzard. And none of those get you a rap sheet.

Gotta separate from you there, Prof. Drunk drivers are highly over-represented in severe traffic accidents, and that’s after decades of intense efforts to get them off the roads.

Drunks kill a lot of people on the highway, including one of my family members a few years ago. I have no sympathy for them, and I am ashamed of the times I drove drunk in my youth.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 16, 2012 6:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm in the same boat. I've lost family this way too.

I’ve never said that Drunk driving isn’t a problem. But fact is these types of drivers cause just as many accidents, many fatal. I’ve lost more family members to these people than to drunk drivers (only 1).

The reality is that God took my loved one, he just used a drunk driver to do it.

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by professortex on Feb 16, 2012 6:40 PM CST up reply actions  

But fact is these types of drivers cause just as many accidents, many fatal.

Again, drunk drivers are statistically far more dangerous, and cause a disproportionate number of fatalities every year.

I’d much rather get a drunk off the road than a blue-hair clogging up the fast lane.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 16, 2012 7:06 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Willieboyd has already showed

that statistically, alcohol only plays a role in 1/3 of fatal accidents. This means that 2/3 are caused by other reasons. My guess would be that most of them are caused by one or another of these other groups.

But like I said, anecdotally, I’ve lost more family members to these kinds of people than to drunk drivers.

Just 2 weeks ago, a woman broadsided my truck because she thought the middle lane of a 3 lane road was a left turn lane. Coulda killed my 7 year old son. This stupidity is no different to me than a drunk driver.

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by professortex on Feb 16, 2012 7:17 PM CST up reply actions  

You are also not comparing apples to apples

The amount of drunk drivers versus non drunk drivers on the road is without a doubt vastly less, so it accounting for 1/3 of the traffic deaths is proportionately much higher than the other forms.

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by Mumford on Feb 16, 2012 7:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Eh?

1/3 of accidents involve alcohol. Do you think 1/3 of drivers on the road are drunk?

No. Therefore, being drunk means a driver is MORE LIKELY than ALL other drivers to have an accident. That is why drunks must be targeted more intensively by law enforcement.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 16, 2012 7:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Yes, I think we are argueing about different things

My point was that If my son is dead, then he is dead. Whether a drunk driver killed him or a stupid woman did doesn’t change that fact.

Targeting Drunk drivers is a good idea. never suggested otherwise. But we should do it with a motivation of promoting safety, not revenge. This means not demonizing those people who have driven drunk, and not blaming all of them for the fatal results caused by some.

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by professortex on Feb 16, 2012 7:40 PM CST up reply actions  

For me, maybe it was because I had a guy in my old army unit die after getting t-boned by a drunk driver

But that’s just me

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by The Night Owl on Feb 17, 2012 12:08 PM CST up reply actions  

This is a great point

How many Texans players already have a DWI that we don’t know about. How many of them are really clean as the driven snow. I’d argue at least one or two of them have a history, but there doesn’t seem to be a problem with them

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by professortex on Feb 16, 2012 10:15 AM CST up reply actions  

I love how people pick certain aspects

of certain stories to make their argument valid.

" well he had 2 MIPs and a DUI" guy is a knucklehead for sure.

" well his injuries werent to bad, more fluky stuff " that doesnt concern me.

Truth is no one knows shit lol

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by AllenOU on Feb 16, 2012 10:25 AM CST up reply actions  

My biggest problem with this whole thing

Is that it caused me to not really look at him. People started talking potential draft picks way back in December (maybe earlier). When Floyd’s name came up, the first thing I heard was, "He’s got serious legal issues, DWIs (plural) and stuff.

As a result, I didn’t even look at the guy. Then when I finally did, I was saying, “Thats all?!??. One DWI and a MIP?”

Thats just not fair to the guy to make it sound worse than it really is.

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by professortex on Feb 16, 2012 10:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Well in all fairness,

it does depend on the type of DUI he got, because if he got a DUI where he blew a .35 like a friend of mine did, then it would be a lot more severe than if he was just slightly over the limit, but either way, it’s just one mistake that can be learned from.

by Bobbythegreat on Feb 16, 2012 10:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Here's the info on his last DUI
Floyd failed three sobriety tests that consisted of a standing on one leg, walking and turning around, and a finger count, Daniels said. The breathalyzer test showed he had a blood-alcohol level of 0.19, well above Indiana’s legal limit for driving of 0.08 percent.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6242523

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by The Night Owl on Feb 17, 2012 12:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah

0.19 is pretty damn drunk, there really is no excuse for that. Hopefully he learns his lesson and doesn’t do it again, I certainly learned my lesson.

by Bobbythegreat on Feb 17, 2012 3:49 PM CST up reply actions  

He didn't do anything wrong,

he just made a poor decision.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 18, 2012 6:09 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

He did do something wrong

He drank and drove, which is very wrong.

But I’m willing to give him the chance to show me he won’t do it again.

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by professortex on Feb 18, 2012 10:34 AM CST up reply actions  

Well I dunno about giving him a chance

it might be best to simply tar and feather him in the public square and then run him out of town. After all, if you make one mistake, you are always going to keep making mistakes.

by Bobbythegreat on Feb 19, 2012 2:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Technically

He has made 3, not 1

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by Mumford on Feb 19, 2012 7:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Huh??

He has made 3 not 1 what?

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by professortex on Feb 20, 2012 12:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I get the argument that he is a young kid and we all make mistakes

Hell I have driven after having too much to drink on more occasions than I should have, but there is still such a thing as a red flag and this falls into that category. Could he just be a young kid who did dumb stuff? Sure, but he could also really be a knucklehead. He will need to do well on his interviews to overcome this label. I also find your argument of “Its the college atmosphere everyone does it” slightly faulty seeing as how if we can just write it off to college environment, why doesn’t every college player have a DUI on his record? Or even half of them?I don’t have a problem with the Texans drafting him, because at that point they would have already done their homework and determined he was worth the risk.

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by Mumford on Feb 16, 2012 11:04 AM CST up reply actions  

Why don't

half of the people who go out to bars have DUI’s? Dumb luck. That’s the only reason. Tens of millions of people break that law every single day and only a couple hundred of them are caught.

by Bobbythegreat on Feb 16, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply actions  

Right!

Our legal system has become so comprehensive and pervasive, that a person can’t do anything without breaking a law. How we decide what is really right and wrong is becoming totally convoluted and arbitrary.

DWI is a serious safety concern for the public, but it isn’t a malevolent act.

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by professortex on Feb 16, 2012 11:55 AM CST up reply actions  

I think it is a little more than dumb luck

Does that factor into it? Yes, but you also have to do something to attract attention to yourself. It’s not like they are out there pulling every 5th person over and giving alcohol tests. Especially in a college setting where normally all the bars are in one area (or at least the main places). It’s like shooting fish in a barrel. Whether you want to say that everyone does it or not is irrelevant, when you are about to invest millions of dollars in someone and they have a mark against them that probably 80 or 90% of their peers do not it is going to count against them.

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by Mumford on Feb 16, 2012 1:04 PM CST up reply actions  

You actually don't have to do anything

to get pulled over, cops will make all sorts of excuses to pull you over if they see you leave a bar sometimes. When I got pulled over, the excuse was that I was tailgating….there was no one on the road in front of me. Another time I have been pulled over for a broken tail light that worked. Another time I got pulled over for a “white light emitting to the rear of the vehicle” because part of my license plate light cover was cracked. Cops pull people over for any excuse they can around certain hours and hope they can get a DUI, especially the DUI taskforce located at Westheimer and the beltway. If you happen to be one of the people stopped, you have a really good chance of landing a DUI. It’s sort of like which buffalo in a heard gets eaten by a lion.

by Bobbythegreat on Feb 16, 2012 1:10 PM CST up reply actions  

So Gary Trichter gets a lot of clients there?

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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 16, 2012 8:57 PM CST up reply actions  

You wouldn't believe how

many clients he gets, his associates are at the courthouse every single day, damn near all day long. Those guys are the absolute best. If you can afford their rate, they WILL get you off the hook for your DUI.

by Bobbythegreat on Feb 17, 2012 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Well he is the only attorney specializing in DUI law I can name.

So his advertising is doing its job.

So he’s expensive, huh?

Works on contingency?

No, money down!

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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 17, 2012 4:30 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah as far as DUI

lawyers go, but if you absolutely positively have to get your case dismissed, he is the person you go to.

by Bobbythegreat on Feb 17, 2012 4:40 PM CST up reply actions  

Aside from the "for sure"

I see no problem in either of those two statements. That’s not picking certain aspects; that’s making an argument based on existing, known facts.

Argument: Player A is a knucklehead.
Supporting Premise: He had two MIPs and a DUI in college, and the DUI came only 15 months after his second MIP.

In fact, I see this as a more valid argument than “people learn from their mistakes, so you don’t know if he’ll have these problems again.” While that’s a true statement - because we don’t know, it’s based on a platitude and conjecture. A better argument would be, for example, “no, he’s not a knucklehead because, since getting the DUI, he’s spent time talking to other kids about the dangers of drinking and driving, and he also adopts homeless puppies.” At least THAT argument would have something behind it.

As for the fluke-injury example…

Argument: Player B is injury prone.
Supporting Premise: He had two different injuries last season alone
Counterargument: Those injuries were fluky, though; one happened when he stepped on a piece of glass in the shower, and the other happened when a stray foul ball hit him in the shoulder at a minor league baseball game.

If the injuries truly were fluky - as in, not the type of injury that occurs often once, let alone twice to the same person - then pointing that out as a rebuttal to a claim that someone is injury prone is completely valid.

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by MDC on Feb 16, 2012 2:10 PM CST up reply actions  

I wasn't referring to you if that's what you are getting at

And to say someone is a knucklehead is a Fact is not a fact. That’s an opinion.

Also saying injuries are a fluke or not… This is also opinion. Just because people agree with it does not make it a fact.

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by AllenOU on Feb 16, 2012 2:19 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I never said it was a fact.

I said it was an argument, supported with the premise about the legal run-ins.

I also never said the flukey-injury thing was a fact. I said it was a counter-argument to the argument that someone was injury prone. Though, even if we’re not calling it a “fact,” a football player missing time because he got hit by a ball in the stands of a baseball game is pretty fuckin’ flukey, by any definition of the word.

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by MDC on Feb 16, 2012 3:01 PM CST up reply actions  

MIP = meh

DUI = all kinds of fucked up

I don’t care what degree you have if you kill one of my family members driving drunk. I have seen families destroyed by drunk driving and it’s not cool at all.

by willieboyd on Feb 16, 2012 4:50 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

I really don't understand how you differentiate

a death by a drunk driver from a death by college kid running a stop sign. Both are a result of stupidity.

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by professortex on Feb 16, 2012 6:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I never differentiated.

Both are stupid choices that endanger lives.

by willieboyd on Feb 16, 2012 6:21 PM CST up reply actions  

OK, so, DUI does not equate to killing someone.

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by professortex on Feb 16, 2012 6:46 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't care about "winning" this argument, so I'll spell out my position and leave it at that.

Anyone who knowingly increases their chances of killing other people for no good reason – be it drunk driving, running red lights, road rage, not being safe with a gun, texting while driving, etc., etc., etc. – is a selfish asshole in my opinion.

by willieboyd on Feb 16, 2012 7:04 PM CST up reply actions   2 recs

Right, I never disagreed with this.

What I was pointing out was that that selfish asshole may not stay that way forever.

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by professortex on Feb 16, 2012 7:09 PM CST up reply actions  

This might ne the dumbest comment Ive ever read on here

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by AllenOU on Feb 16, 2012 10:11 AM CST up reply actions  

talking about freedomrides comment

about dre

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by AllenOU on Feb 16, 2012 10:12 AM CST up reply actions  

And a very good morning to you, too.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 16, 2012 10:33 AM CST up reply actions  

just being honest

nothing personal

established stars DO help out younger guys

who better that dre

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by AllenOU on Feb 16, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply actions  

People are talking about AJ riding with Floyd and baby-sitting him.

That’s idiotic. ‘Dre is not going to be out there taking this kid’s keys. If he still needs that when he gets to the NFL, he will soon be on Goodell’s shit list.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 16, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions  

That's not what I meant

If that’s the case I agree with you 100%. Sorry for being an ass.

I meant teach him how to be a pro on the field. Which hopefully will rub off off the field.

I dont think that’s crazy to hope for

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by AllenOU on Feb 16, 2012 1:29 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

No, I would expect Andre to do exactly that.

I dunno, things will change a lot during the combine and pro days. The Texans could find out enough about him to decide he’s the guy.

If they do and they get to pick him, it could turn out to be an enormous draft coup.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 16, 2012 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Personally, it's the fact that he's from Notre Dame

that scares me most.

Brady Quinn, Jimmy Clausen, Golden Tate… The Irish have been WAY more bust that boon that last ten years, particularly on offense.

Is every case different? yes. Could it just be coincidence? Yes. Or, could it be that Notre Dame is still looked at as a relevant football power by those who matter? I say possibly.

Either way, alcohol issues included, I’d be careful about Floyd.

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by JayRedd on Feb 15, 2012 6:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Stephen Hill is rawer than a two dollar steak

He’s got some talent and upside, but is a year away from producing because he played in that funky double-slot triple option Georgia Tech offense. He ran two routes, 10 yard stop and a fly. He’s an athlete though. Could be a late second round option.

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by Drill Sarge on Feb 15, 2012 4:09 PM CST reply actions  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6BhdO59RM0&feature=player_embedded#!

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by Drill Sarge on Feb 15, 2012 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6BhdO59RM0&feature=player_embedded#!

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by Drill Sarge on Feb 15, 2012 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Rec'd for the Baseketball reference.

And also for giving me an easy way to avoid sifting through the typically shitty web-design on 90% of the mock drafts out there.

by Nashmeister on Feb 15, 2012 4:15 PM CST reply actions  

And as for unmentioned players...

Jared Crick intrigues me. He has the length to play end, and plenty of experience rushing the passer from the inside. And it wouldn’t hurt Antonio Smith to take a few series off to stay fresh. I also don’t like the idea of being one injury away from having Jamison starting.

by Nashmeister on Feb 15, 2012 4:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I like crick as well

He could play multiple positions on our Dline and be quality depth. He was a first round lock before he missed most of this season

by Zukywich08 on Feb 15, 2012 4:37 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Crick is my answer as well.

Love him.

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by MDC on Feb 15, 2012 5:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought LanceZ has us taking Konz?

I admit to liking the Randle pick far more.

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by bigfatdrunk on Feb 15, 2012 4:21 PM CST reply actions  

Rec'd for Centralia

just so I can be the only person who has ever recommended something related to Centralia. That place blows.

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by MDC on Feb 15, 2012 5:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Must be a universal thing.

There’s a Centralia, Washington and the only thing to look forward to there is leaving.

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by UprootedTexan on Feb 15, 2012 5:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Thought you meant Centralia, Pa

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by Antho10000 on Feb 15, 2012 6:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I think because they are all very similar

That’s why we need to trade out of the first round and still get one of the second tier recievers, picking up an extra pick or two along the way.

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by Drill Sarge on Feb 15, 2012 4:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I am beginning to lean away from WR in the first

But if I had to pick from the possible candidates, excluding Floyd and Wright as I do not see them as realistic, I think I would go with Randle. Something about Jeffrey screams red flag to me and I have no interest in Sanu. I think WR in the 2nd would be a better value pick though.

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by Mumford on Feb 15, 2012 4:27 PM CST reply actions  

I agree on the WR take and look for the Texans FO to surprise the mainstream media and go elsewhere

Let’s see how the Texans make out in free agency, first. Then I would be able to make a prediction.

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by Rip Jersey on Feb 15, 2012 4:51 PM CST up reply actions  

nice write up

Only picks I don’t really agree on are the Stephen hill and Reuben Randle. I would be all for either of them with are second or third round pick. Stephen Hill especially cause he looks like a Calvin Johnson 2.0. A lot of mocks I have read have him going in the 3rd round which would be a steal for us. Blocking is also his main strength since they mostly ran the ball at georgia Tech

by Zukywich08 on Feb 15, 2012 4:33 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions  

my opinion changes everyday on Jeffery

Some days I’m like we have to grab this guy if he slips to us in the first and other days I’m like I wouldn’t even grab him if he fell to us in the second. If the rumors are true that he is close to 250 pounds then I’ll be all for not drafting him at all. Just scratch him entirely off the big board. Dude would be a WR in a TEs body

by Zukywich08 on Feb 15, 2012 4:41 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions  

Couple Things
I’ve figured out what it is I don’t like about Sanu: the fact that he went to Rutgers.

Win

I am in the Tommy Streeter boat, then again I haven’t seen any game film only the highlights. Poe Would be a great pick, Trading back and having two second round picks. IDK, FA will help mold draft needs

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by WreckNTexan on Feb 15, 2012 4:53 PM CST reply actions  

Ray Rice disagrees

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by Rip Jersey on Feb 15, 2012 4:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Arian Foster ask who that is

True arrogance has been displayed here- WestministerRavensfan or something
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by WreckNTexan on Feb 15, 2012 5:24 PM CST up reply actions  

The exception that proves the rule.

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by MDC on Feb 15, 2012 5:47 PM CST up reply actions  

No. If anything, exceptions DISPROVE the rule.

I never understood this saying.

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by UprootedTexan on Feb 15, 2012 9:33 PM CST up reply actions  

It's like thisL

The phrase is derived from the medieval Latin legal principle exceptio probat regulam in casibus non exceptis (“the exception confirms the rule in cases not excepted”), a concept first proposed by Cicero in his defence of Lucius Cornelius Balbus. This means a stated exception implies the existence of a rule to which it is the exception. The second part of Cicero’s phrase, “in casibus non exceptis” or “in cases not excepted,” is almost always missing from modern uses of the statement that “the exception proves the rule,” which may contribute to frequent confusion and misuse of the phrase.

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by MDC on Feb 15, 2012 9:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep. It's one of those things like "begs the question" that people say all the time without knowing what it means.

It’s irritating, like people saying “I could care less” or “literally” when they mean “figuratively”.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 16, 2012 7:35 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree. Nonsense.

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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 15, 2012 9:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep, just Arkansian bias

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by Rip Jersey on Feb 15, 2012 10:08 PM CST up reply actions  

Miami sure has had a lot of underacheiving talent recently

The only guy in the last 4 years or so that has really produced is Jimmy Graham, and he only was in the program for 1 year. Streeter’s kinda one of those guys that shows flashes, put disapperas a lot, too…

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by Drill Sarge on Feb 15, 2012 4:58 PM CST up reply actions  

Great thread, and rec'd. I'll take Monte Cristo at NT all day long!
1. Of the players listed in the above mock drafts, who do you like most and who do you like least?

Most = NT Dontari Poe – I’d celebrate like I did with the JJ Watt pick if we get Poe, Brockers or Ta’amu (in any round)
Least = WR Rueben Randle – I don’t want anything from the LSU offense, but there are a few defenders I’d like!

2. Of the universe of players NOT mocked to the Texans in the above drafts, who would you most like to see the Texans take?

This depends on our FA situation with resigning, etc.

If we lost Mario…

Melvin Ingram – LB/DE South Carolina
Jared Crick – DE/DT Nebraska

but those guys probably go before #26 pick. If they are there at 26, it’s BPA for sure

Mark Barron – Safety Alabama – Then move GQ back to Corner

Other than this, we should trade down to get WR, NT and build depth at ILB, OL

by MeMongo on Feb 15, 2012 4:57 PM CST reply actions  

I honestly don't see them yanking Quin around.

Dude’s a safety. Now, if you want to play a 3-safety nickel set…..then that gets interesting.

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by TexansDC on Feb 15, 2012 4:58 PM CST up reply actions  

We already run a 3 safety dime

We usually play Nolan and Manning over top, Kareem and JJ out wide, Mccain in the slot and GQ in the box. GQ gives us a lot of versatility.

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by Drill Sarge on Feb 15, 2012 5:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Forgot a word

Meant more a 3-3-5 base of a 2-4-5 base.

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by TexansDC on Feb 15, 2012 5:50 PM CST up reply actions  

In defense of Randle

He is an elite athlete and really lacked good, consistent QBing.

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by Rip Jersey on Feb 15, 2012 4:59 PM CST up reply actions  

He's going to be a workout freak.

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by bigfatdrunk on Feb 15, 2012 5:00 PM CST up reply actions  

That's a fair point, so I'll keep the jury sequestered on him

That LSU QB situation has been dismal, and Randle can’t throw it to himself

by MeMongo on Feb 15, 2012 5:01 PM CST up reply actions  

He came to BRB and defended himself after we, of course, downplayed his mock, to put it politely

Lance Z puts some good research behind his mocks. Also, I’m sure he is not locked on Randle and would be open to changing his mock depending on what happens in free agency.

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by Rip Jersey on Feb 15, 2012 5:10 PM CST up reply actions  

/Gisele'd

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by Barryfromtexas on Feb 15, 2012 5:46 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

the thing I don't like about Poe and Ta'amu is that they give you very little in the pass rush dept.

I think we need to make sure that our next NT can also rush the passer, something that Cody and Mitchell have yet to show that they can consistantly do. Earl Mitchell has 2 career sacks and Cody has 1 since he’s been here. I think we need to think about how we are going to beat Pitt, New England, Baltimore, and any of the other top teams. The more pass rush, the better. That’s why I’m pulling for the Texans to pick up Derek Wolf from Cincinnati. He rushes the passer from the inside. I’d take him before the other 2, although some “esperts” say that he’s only a 2-3 round guy.

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by Drill Sarge on Feb 15, 2012 5:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Didn't Cody fall down once and recover a fumble when he did?

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by Rip Jersey on Feb 15, 2012 5:07 PM CST up reply actions  

My thoughts exactly

Derek Wolf Impressed the heck out of me. He really seems like a texans pick. His stat line was rediculous and he was a 295 pound defensive end/tackle with a high motor. I would love them to get him in the second. You are the first person i’ve even seen mention him. According to walterfootball, he had 64 tackles, 19.5 tackles for a loss, two forced fumbles and 9.5 sacks. Rediculous.

by drummercve on Feb 15, 2012 6:29 PM CST up reply actions  

don't know if he could transition well as a NT

But if anything he would provide us with depth on our Dline. I’ll have to go check him out

by Zukywich08 on Feb 15, 2012 7:42 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Yeah, I keep throwing up his highlights, because they are pretty impressive.

You can see him beating double teams from the nose and a pretty good hustle. I think he could gain ten pounds and play at about 300. He looks rather thin for a 6’5" 590 pound guy. Ithink he could take easily take Bulman’s slot as a nose/5 tech rotation guy. I think he’s better built than Earl Mitchell, and could help paly the pass and run. He’s gonna be a good pro somewhere. Maybe not a star, but he’ll cause fits, kinda the way Karl Klug did this year for the Titans.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJsmdwFcPyg&feature=player_embedded

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by Drill Sarge on Feb 15, 2012 8:46 PM CST up reply actions  

This is one reason I can see us taking Fletcher Cox. He sound like a Jay Ratliff-clone if Rang is accurate.
Analysis

Pass rush: Good quickness off the snap. Attacks gaps, getting skinny to slip past interior linemen when lining up as a defensive tackle. Enough speed to challenge the shoulders of strong-side tackles when lining up as a defensive end. Does not possess the explosiveness and flexibility to turn the corner efficiently, however, limiting his pass rush potential on the outside. Developing pass rush technique, including a swim move, but does not use this often enough. Relies almost exclusively on his bull rush. Generates an explosive pop to knock his opponent back onto his heels. Possesses the lateral agility to take advantage of the unbalanced offensive lineman to run around him and collapse the pocket.

Run defense: Good size and power, though Cox struggles with leverage, at times. Can be blown off the ball when double-teamed as he currently lacks prototypical width and thickness in his lower body for an interior defender. Cox does appear to have the frame to add an additional 10-15 pounds. Good upper-body strength and quick hands to disengage from the one-on-one block. Penetrates gaps and locates the football quickly. Slides off of blocks to latch onto ballcarriers as they attempt to run by. Alert defender who recognizes the trap block and possesses enough quickness to beat his opponent to the spot. Lacks the sustained speed to chase down ballcarriers, but puts good effort into his lateral pursuit.

Explosion: Varies his burst off the snap, but does not possess true explosiveness in his get-off. Among his best assets, however, is his strong upper body. Attacks blockers with an explosive pop, which allows him to disengage quickly.

Strength: Naturally strong man who is still learning to use his power to his advantage. Good to very good upper-body strength and leg drive to push his opponent deep into the pocket. Good strength as a drag-down tackler, as well. Does negate his own strength, on occasion, due to a high pad level.

Tackling: High effort player who locates the football and pursues laterally and downfield. An effective drag-down tackler due to his upper-body strength. Surprisingly light on his feet showing an ability to adjust to elusive ballcarriers in close quarters. Closes quickly and wraps up well, but isn’t an explosive hitter likely to knock the ball free. Has forced just two fumbles in three seasons of action.

Intangibles: Naturally large man with plenty of room for additional growth. Appears to be just scratching the surface of his physical potential, though he has three years of starting experience in the SEC. Blocked four kicks from 2009-11. Was suspended for the 2011 season-opener (Memphis), along with four other Bulldogs, for an undisclosed violation of team rules.

—Rob Rang

by willieboyd on Feb 15, 2012 7:11 PM CST up reply actions  

Well put.

D-line is thin as far as depth is concerned. Tim Bulman should be replaced and I;m not to high on Tim Jamison but he’s adequate.

Another guy to rotate in as a pass rusher on the D-line would be something the team could look for in the 2nd/3rd.

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Feb 15, 2012 8:52 PM CST up reply actions  

That's why I think we should trade down into the second round

With two second round picks we can get a pass rushing Dlineman and WR without losing much value. That would leave us with at least one extra pick in 3-5. give us some extra depth for maybe another WR, OLB, Oline, and maybe pick up a RB who returns kicks or a developmental QB (I think Leinart will be a cap casualty) with the extra pick we get. 6-7 is just BPA…

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by Drill Sarge on Feb 15, 2012 9:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I dunno abbout the guy

but the sandwich is teh awesome

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by Barryfromtexas on Feb 15, 2012 5:45 PM CST up reply actions  

Bennigans used to make a great Monte Cristo sandwich

I’m sure an artery or two will never be as effective as a result of eating them, but oh man they were good.

by MeMongo on Feb 15, 2012 7:21 PM CST up reply actions  

There are a few Bennigan's in Texas

Mostly up in the Dallas area. And then there is the improbable location of… Borger?

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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 15, 2012 7:34 PM CST up reply actions  

I thought Bennigan's went under.

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by UprootedTexan on Feb 15, 2012 9:33 PM CST up reply actions  

They kept a few locations.

I have actually seen a fabled, open, Bennigan’s within the last month.

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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 15, 2012 10:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Rec'd for the write up

Rec’d for, what I assume were, many facepalms at some of these mocks.

Really thinking Houston won’t go WR in round 1. All these mocks aren’t giving Houston WRs for the right reasons. The Texans don’t take raw/project guys in round 1.

Today, I’d probably peg Poe as the guy if he falls to 26…..maybe Konz or Glenn if they’re not there.

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by TexansDC on Feb 15, 2012 4:57 PM CST reply actions  

That's always been my prediction

There’s so many players that could fit…that it lends itself to a trade down if a partner is there.

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by TexansDC on Feb 15, 2012 5:51 PM CST up reply actions  

And a partner, historically speaking, should be there

There’s usually a team or two that wants to trade back in and grab someone.

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by TexansDC on Feb 15, 2012 5:53 PM CST up reply actions  

The more I'm confident the Texans won't take a 1st round WR, the more I think about Ashley Lelie.

I really don’t think Kube had any say in Lelie andif he did, it didn’t work out.

It still keeps a sliver of doubt in my mind, though.

by willieboyd on Feb 15, 2012 7:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, yeah: whatever.

Kendall Wright is the man who will make the Texans’ offense a terror.

Move up if necessary. Draft him. Win.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 15, 2012 5:12 PM CST reply actions  

Can't wait to see what he does at the combine

I think he’s gonna run pretty fast…

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by Drill Sarge on Feb 15, 2012 5:13 PM CST up reply actions  

He does that he's going in the top 15.

There are a lot of teams picking high this year that ran absolute nonsense at the WR spot in 2011.

by b0ng on Feb 15, 2012 7:24 PM CST up reply actions  

again

you obviously dont know our offense

Im at a loss for words

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by AllenOU on Feb 16, 2012 10:13 AM CST up reply actions  

I can't wait to see the

WR blocking drills at the combine, that will really tell us which one we are going to draft.

by Bobbythegreat on Feb 15, 2012 5:20 PM CST reply actions  

Funny because it is almost sarcastic

True arrogance has been displayed here- WestministerRavensfan or something
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by WreckNTexan on Feb 15, 2012 5:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Poe

Dantari or the Kung Fu Panda.

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by Lone Spot on Feb 15, 2012 5:24 PM CST reply actions  

you wanna draft duane brown again?

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by NoSafetiesNeeded on Feb 15, 2012 5:48 PM CST up reply actions  

can we have another???

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by Carter Liles on Feb 15, 2012 5:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I love the Fleener pick

I’m against taking a WR in the first. think what NE has done with two great TE’s imagine our receiver corp as

Toon(or Criner) KW(slot) Fleener -C- OD AJ

I personally think that’d be FUCKING INCREDIBLE but meh just my thinking

by BC5 on Feb 15, 2012 5:25 PM CST reply actions  

18 Mocks huh?

There seems to be a hidden message in there somewhere

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by Barryfromtexas on Feb 15, 2012 5:48 PM CST reply actions  

Funny you mention that.

I almost deleted the last one, just so I WOULDN’T have 18. But it was so dumb (and random) that I wanted to leave it. And I was far too lazy to delete a different one and renumber.

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by MDC on Feb 15, 2012 5:49 PM CST up reply actions  

lestar jean

will be our wide receiver answer?

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by Carter Liles on Feb 15, 2012 5:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Probably would have last year before that injury.

If he stays healthy this year I think he’s on the roster.

Everything I heard from the coaches were high praise of his play making ability and we saw some of that in the Jets preseason game when Yates hit him for that game winning TD.

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Feb 15, 2012 7:39 PM CST up reply actions  

I believe it was a shoulder injury.

Considering they put him on IR instead of come to an injury settlement like they did with Toliver tells me they are pretty high on him and I think that 5th spot is his to lose when TC gets started. He might even move up the depth chart if he improves from last offseason.

/hopes he’s Victor Cruz 2.0

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by Ethan Matz on Feb 15, 2012 8:54 PM CST up reply actions  

5th? He could be the 4th WR depending on how many WRs we bring in

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by The Night Owl on Feb 15, 2012 10:33 PM CST up reply actions  

That's why I said he might move up the depth chart...

And I think the Texans will bring in 1 WR either by draft or FA with Kevin Walter and his contract being the the X factor as to whether or not they get a 2nd WR.

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Feb 16, 2012 3:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Dorin Dickerson Sure Thinks So!

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by Tim on Feb 15, 2012 7:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Off topic but,

Can we move Brooks Reed inside as well after we resign Mario? Kind of like what we did with Cushing. Reed can then get enough snaps by playing both OLB and ILB.

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by steelblue on Feb 15, 2012 5:55 PM CST reply actions  

even if demeco is back. Brooks Reed deserves starter reps. So they can play him at both positions

A 3 man rotation at ILB with Brooks DeMeco, Cushing, and Reed
A 3 man rotation at OLB with Barwin, Williams, and Reed

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by steelblue on Feb 15, 2012 8:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Reed is NOT an ILB

where do you guys come up with this shit

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by AllenOU on Feb 16, 2012 10:14 AM CST up reply actions  

This

He is a converted DE, and his value is almost entirely pass rush related. I really don’t want him “learning” to cover RB’s and TE’s at the pro level

by Jason Brown on Feb 16, 2012 10:42 AM CST up reply actions  

Preferred pick that HASN'T been mentioned yet?

Would probably have to go with Juron Criner. Though, I gotta say I’m not really in love with anyone who is likely to be there at #26.

by La Voz on Feb 15, 2012 5:55 PM CST reply actions  

I'm a huge criner guy

however I want him in the second

by BC5 on Feb 15, 2012 6:00 PM CST up reply actions  

If we trade back, I'd hope Criner is there when we pick

I wouldn’t take him at #26 though

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by The Night Owl on Feb 15, 2012 10:34 PM CST up reply actions  

so, to sum up...

what you are saying is…… trade down?

/kidding

//maybe

by grungedave on Feb 15, 2012 6:03 PM CST reply actions  

Derek motherfuckin Wolfe.

Dude has an unstoppable force attitude and would fit perfectly into this system.

Andre Branch – 1 year wonder like Aldon Smith

Dontari Poe is interesting too. But, we’ve had a seemingly immovable object in this defense before (Frank Okam), to be fair Poe is a lot better than Okam. I have to look up more about Poe.

But – IF Kendall Wright falls to us, we HAVE to seriously consider him. I don’t care if he is sub 6 foot, he is an explosive offensive threat everytime he touches the ball.

by YohannDookeyblue on Feb 15, 2012 6:07 PM CST reply actions  

I dont think I want WR in the first

I hoping for Poe in the first and then
we double dip WR 2nd & 3rd like we did for CB in the 2nd and 4th back to back. Randle in the 2nd and Streeter in the 3rd.

by FLASH94 on Feb 15, 2012 6:32 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Lestar Jean

I really think this guy is going to be a big surprise player next year. He was a really nice prospect coming out of fsu, but for reasons unknown to me, he went undrafted. I really like this guy and think he could be a player. There is a reason the coaching staff put him on injured reserve instead of cutting him like so many others. He could rocket up the depth chart in training camp.

by drummercve on Feb 15, 2012 6:33 PM CST reply actions  

Let us hope

He is not Dorin Dickerson part deaux

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by Barryfromtexas on Feb 15, 2012 6:39 PM CST up reply actions  

"for reasons unknown to me, he went undrafted"

Slow.

4.6+ in the 40.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 15, 2012 6:40 PM CST up reply actions  

And he didn't suck

Newb rec.

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by bigfatdrunk on Feb 16, 2012 12:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Yep, but running a slow 40 is still a good way to get passed over as a WR in the draft.

Conventional wisdom has a big voice in the NFL.

I have high hopes for Jean, based on the remarks of DBs trying to cover him in camp last year.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 16, 2012 7:40 AM CST up reply actions  

rice is the exception

NOT THE RULE

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by AllenOU on Feb 16, 2012 10:15 AM CST up reply actions  

FAU*

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by TexansDC on Feb 15, 2012 6:51 PM CST up reply actions  

FSU? Don't you mean FAU?

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by The Night Owl on Feb 15, 2012 10:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Thinking about it

If Poe is there they have to take him. A starting NT will have a bigger impact than a second string WR.

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by Joe25 on Feb 15, 2012 7:37 PM CST reply actions  

Stephen Hill makes me think though

trading out of the first and into the early second for him would not bother me at all.

and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."

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by Joe25 on Feb 15, 2012 7:41 PM CST reply actions  

yeah me too, Calvin Johnson body.

I’m also interested Juron Criner and Tommy Streeter. I would much rather take WR in the later rounds, because this class has a lot talent at WR.

by FLASH94 on Feb 15, 2012 7:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

If we trade into the second

I want Nick Toon. Might not have the upside of some of these guys, but his downside is much, much safer.

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by MDC on Feb 15, 2012 8:00 PM CST up reply actions  

His injury history bugs me.

He is talented though.

and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."

Our Andre, who art from Heaven, hallowed by thy name.
Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on Earth as it is in Canton.

by Joe25 on Feb 15, 2012 8:03 PM CST up reply actions  

That is my one concern with him.

But they weren’t major injuries as I recall. A turf toe and a deep thigh bruise in 2010 costing him 3 games in 2010, and no missed games in 2011, 2009 or 2008.

I have not yet begun to defile myself.

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by MDC on Feb 15, 2012 8:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I guess after the season the Texans just had

I’m a little bothered with players with an injury history.

and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."

Our Andre, who art from Heaven, hallowed by thy name.
Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on Earth as it is in Canton.

by Joe25 on Feb 15, 2012 8:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Totally fair.

I have not yet begun to defile myself.

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by MDC on Feb 15, 2012 8:27 PM CST up reply actions  

And after the years Houston sports in general has dealt with lately

I’d shy away from anyone with a history of foot injuries

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."

by The Night Owl on Feb 15, 2012 10:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I wouldn't be opposed to two receivers

Toon and Hill in round 2? Toon/Hill in 2 with McNutt in 3?

Talk about flipping the script and injecting talent and youth into the corps. Toon’s the more ready to contribute now and Hill brings his big play ability and isn’t filled with must start now pressure.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Feb 15, 2012 8:58 PM CST up reply actions  

And I cut Jacoby, obviously.

Screw dat.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Feb 15, 2012 8:58 PM CST up reply actions  

so much youth though?

Super Youth kids and Andre Johnson…..

All I want to do is FAAAARRRRRRRRRMMMMMMMMM!!!....and COok.

by Mellowcheese on Feb 15, 2012 9:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I kept Walter

but the team really needs an injection of youth in the WR corps. They also need to cut ties with Jacoby…he’s not developing like this team needs.

Andre, Walter, Toon, Hill/McNutt, (OR WHATEVER ROOKIES) Jean would be a nice grouping.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Feb 15, 2012 10:45 PM CST up reply actions  

How about Criner & Streeter instead??

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."

by The Night Owl on Feb 15, 2012 10:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not a Streeter fan

I think Hill’s better.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Feb 15, 2012 10:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Instead of drafting a DT

Why not sign fat ass Albert?

Only guy who seemingly injuries Schaub.

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Feb 15, 2012 7:46 PM CST reply actions  

with his history and hatred of teh Schaub?

I can see the headlines now….

Star QB found dead at the Methodist Training Facility, apparently run over in the parking lot….several times….and set on fire.

in other related news…

Fat AL arrested in New Orleans after six hour evasion of law enforcement while driving a rented moving van, and suspected in connection with the team training facility parking lot altercation with a fellow Houston team mate found dead at the scene. The officers attempting the arrest were all spit on and kicked, and one is being rushed to a nearby hospital after the suspect’s buddy (a former NFL QB living in the area) fell on him while resisting arrest. That accomplice escaped and is being pursued as well.

by MeMongo on Feb 15, 2012 9:00 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Ha still love that gif.

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Feb 15, 2012 9:03 PM CST up reply actions  

If we could just get him to drive from the Mississippi River over to Lake Travis

1. Texas would get much needed water inflow FOREVER and droughts would not be as big an issue

2. Less flooding along the Mississippi would be great too

by MeMongo on Feb 15, 2012 9:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Vontaze Burfict?

How does BRB feel about him?

and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."

Our Andre, who art from Heaven, hallowed by thy name.
Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on Earth as it is in Canton.

by Joe25 on Feb 15, 2012 7:47 PM CST reply actions  

Isn't he an ILB?

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Feb 15, 2012 7:48 PM CST up reply actions  

yeah

but he is just one prospect i really like. Just so violent.

and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."

Our Andre, who art from Heaven, hallowed by thy name.
Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on Earth as it is in Canton.

by Joe25 on Feb 15, 2012 7:49 PM CST up reply actions  

He is nice but I'm not sure he lives up to the hype machine around him.

He was okay in the 1 or 2 games I saw of him but not sure he’s all that great. Plus OLB is the spot that needs to be addressed if Mario doesn’t com back.

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Feb 15, 2012 7:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Hate him lol

He has attitude problems, gets to many penalties and can’t control his emotions in game. Also takes really bad angles when trying to tackle. I heard that he has gained some weight as well ( in a bad way)

by Zukywich08 on Feb 15, 2012 7:52 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Suh?

Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.

"Will it never be noon?" Duke of Orleans to the Dauphin and Constable of France every Sunday before the Texans play.

by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 15, 2012 8:02 PM CST up reply actions  

So much talent

So little brain.

Honestly, he needs Baltimore….like in a bad way.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Feb 15, 2012 8:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Cincinnati.

The boy’s a born Bungal.

"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus

by FreedomRide on Feb 15, 2012 9:05 PM CST up reply actions  

Brandon Thompson would be a good pick up

He could start at NT for us since he has the ideal size that Wade likes. Could prolly get him in the second

by Zukywich08 on Feb 15, 2012 7:50 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions  

Rec'd for
BRBtards

Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!

by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 15, 2012 8:16 PM CST reply actions  

It's a term of endearment.

I have not yet begun to defile myself.

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by MDC on Feb 15, 2012 8:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I really don't want Alshon Jeffrey.

Unless he beefs up to play NT.

I'm a household name... at my house.

Michael Vick is the best throwing running back of all time.

My put your name on it prediction for the Housotn Texans.
10-6, with a first round playoff upset over either the Ravens or Steelers.

by taylorrohrman on Feb 15, 2012 8:23 PM CST reply actions  

or TE

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."

by The Night Owl on Feb 15, 2012 10:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Disagreed on Fleener being a bad pick.

James Casey isn’t a TE he’s a fullback. Not fair to even mention him with the other TE’s since he’s never been a factor in the passing attack. But even in a hypothetical sense where he was, a formation with Fleener, OD, and Casey would be a very nice assortment of receiving options. All 3 guys would be mismatches for LB/S/CB’s whether it’s due to size or speed.

OD is a good TE but he’s had some injury issues and he’s not dominant athletically. He’s good due to his work ethic (think Kevin Walter). Fleener has the athletic ability to be Jason Witten good (maybe a little better) which is well worth a 1st round pick at #26.

Graham is a dark horse since we have no idea where he’s at as far as play time but if Joel leaves then we’d be short a TE. BTW only reason I’d say draft Fleener is because Joel might be gone. If he’s back than obviously the team should go a different direction.

And another thing about Fleener. Lots of talk about guys being able to “fit in the system” here. Well Fleener did a lot of the things the Texans ask their TE’s to do while he played at Stanford. The blocking and the PA passes as well as power sets were staples of Stanford’s offense. Fleener would switch over far easier than Dwayne Allen would if the Texans drafted him. Fleener is just as good a play maker as Dwayne as well.

He’d be more versatile than WR’s the Texans could draft. He doesn’t come from a spread offense so the adjustment period would be much shorter for him than say Kendall Wright or Dwayne Allen.

The real pressing need for the Texans is getting Schaub healthy and filling depth holes on the roster. No one position is “OMFG WE HAVE NOTHING HERE”. And before you jump on me about run defense the Texans were pretty good last year stopping the run. Yes they had some bad games but overall NT wasn’t a huge need for this team. Besides the pass rush is arguable a little better when they go Nickel or Dime anyways and let that 4 man rush loose.

And talking about getting a TE for cheaper in the draft why not DT? You can find good DT’s in the later rounds. Same for WR’s.

If the goal is to improve the passing offense you can do so with a TE.

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Feb 15, 2012 8:30 PM CST reply actions  

Much of this.

Though I think OD is actually a top-notch athlete; he’s a mismatch for most linebackers and safeties. But his issue is that he’s truly a bad blocker. Bad to the point that we don’t even ask him to handle pass protection. It makes our offense much more predictable. One of the reasons Dreessen is so productive per route run is that he’s a great blocker, so teams sleep on him (particularly on delayed routes in the red-zone).

If they managed to get a guy like Fleener, they’d have a tight end on both sides of the formation capable of helping out with an edge rusher. It gives you more flexibility with your protection schemes. You could then bump OD to a Dallas Clark-like role where he works the slot. It’s not as if we have a receiver on our roster who would be a better option there.

by Nashmeister on Feb 15, 2012 8:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Ya right

In the Saints game Casey was an unstoppable force in the passing game. He was just getting rolling when he got injured. If anything he is more of a TE than a FB.

Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!

by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 16, 2012 9:18 AM CST up reply actions  

Saints game and the season finale that's it.

He’s been here 3 years his best season receiving was last year when he had 18 catches for 260. Almost all of that was from two games. One great game against the Saints doesn’t means he’s a good TE. Especially since he was attacking their defense from either motions out of the backfield or routes from out of the backfield.

As a FB though he’s pretty good and is probably why he was moved from TE to FB in the first place. As a option out of the backfield he’s a weapon but he’s not a TE anymore and isn’t used like one.

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Feb 16, 2012 3:19 PM CST up reply actions  

Some of this is correct

The stuff about Fleener being good possibly, but I disagree about the value of the pick. You can upgrade at TE2 with Joel walking in the 3rd round, and you can upgrade at TE1 in the 2nd, IF you felt the need but Kubiak won’t. Why would he? OD is really good, im sure he has good work ethic too, but he is good bc he has glue hands and can find openings in the middle well. I wouldnt hate the pick but I think a dynamic WR2 will help this team more and you may not realize it bc we have never had it.

Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!

by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 16, 2012 9:25 AM CST up reply actions  

No we do now bc our TEs are better than our WR2s

That doesnt mean if we had a better WR2 plays wouldnt be added to take advantage.

Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!

by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 16, 2012 11:29 AM CST up reply actions  

I was told it would be

Armageddon if we had a competent WR2, because we need them to block and competent WR’s don’t block.

by Bobbythegreat on Feb 16, 2012 11:31 AM CST up reply actions  

And I was told having better WR2s doesn't help you win, anyway,

so we might as well keep Jacoby.

"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus

by FreedomRide on Feb 16, 2012 12:17 PM CST up reply actions  

No

it has to be Kevin Walter, the only reason Arian Foster gains yards is because of his amazing blocking ability, this team wouldn’t even have an offense if it wasn’t for the amazingly talented Kevin Walter. In fact, we should probably consider franchising him in 2015 because a talent like his is the envy of the league and someone would surely throw 12 million dollars a year at him so that he could block for them.

by Bobbythegreat on Feb 16, 2012 12:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Keep 'em both.

They’re all the same as long as they can block.

"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus

by FreedomRide on Feb 16, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Well they aren't exactly the same

from what I have found out, Kevin Walter has NEVER dropped a pass before. That means the 2 or 3 times he manages to get open and the QB gets him the ball before the CB or S close the gap per year there will certainly be moderate gains. You can’t say the same for Jacoby.

by Bobbythegreat on Feb 16, 2012 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

You can upgrade any position any time, though.

And there’s not a “dynamic” WR2 available, anyways.

by Nashmeister on Feb 16, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes there are

There are plenty available in free agency and I think a couple of the WR prospects in the draft can be beast WR2s, most notably Mo Sanu.

Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!

by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 16, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

I love you, MDC.
“Look, I fully admit that the 6-3/224 Floyd has a world of talent and could wind up being a gamebreaker. I just hate him.”

"Hakeem couldn't kick your ass cuz you were too
close kissin his!"- Sir Charles to Kenny Smith.

by bone31crusher on Feb 15, 2012 8:37 PM CST reply actions  

I think both Roc Carmichael and Lester Jean could be good players. We'll see in training camp

I figured that if I said it enough, I would convince the world that I really was the greatest.
~Muhammad Ali

by steelblue on Feb 15, 2012 8:51 PM CST reply actions  

Agreed.

Lestar has a real good opportunity to get play time if he stays healthy. I was really disappointed when he got hurt. Still remember that game winning TD from the Jets game (preseason).

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Feb 15, 2012 8:56 PM CST up reply actions  

yup yup. i was at that game. I went nuts

I figured that if I said it enough, I would convince the world that I really was the greatest.
~Muhammad Ali

by steelblue on Feb 15, 2012 9:02 PM CST up reply actions  

Am I the only one who noticed

when talking about Cox you said “inside…outside” and “penetrating”? Are you making a pass at us?

A sharp tongue is the only edged tool that grows keener with constant use.--Washington Irving

by Foster Child on Feb 15, 2012 8:57 PM CST reply actions  

Floyd and a NT are my first picks...

The big tight end brings tears to my ears…. OD could be history with that pick.

Doin stuff so nasty that you have to do it twice to confirm the level of nasty!!

by TEXSON on Feb 15, 2012 8:58 PM CST reply actions  

No-o-o-o-o Floyd!

Knucklehead!

"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus

by FreedomRide on Feb 15, 2012 9:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I would not want Floyd

Too many Texans fans would see him at Spec’s way too often for their liking

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."

by The Night Owl on Feb 15, 2012 10:40 PM CST up reply actions  

As long as he calls a cab,

what a man does on his own time is none of my business.

I'm a household name... at my house.

Michael Vick is the best throwing running back of all time.

My put your name on it prediction for the Housotn Texans.
10-6, with a first round playoff upset over either the Ravens or Steelers.

by taylorrohrman on Feb 15, 2012 10:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Problem is he has a history of not calling for cabs

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."

by The Night Owl on Feb 15, 2012 10:59 PM CST up reply actions  

exactly

not saying he is a sure fure homerun pick

but he has top 10 talent.

TAKE A RISK AND YOU MIGHT BE SURPRISED!!!!!

or I could be an idiot

or both

@THEREALALLENOU on twitter - "The man, the verb, the legend" OU'd

by AllenOU on Feb 16, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

He may have already grown up after these run in's with the law

What worries me is not the 2 MIP’s + DWI, It’s the fact that he got 2 MIPs, which in my book are worse than a speeding ticket, but not much worse, but then went UP in severity to DWI. He’d already got a slap on the wrist TWICE and continued with the questionable behavior. Maybe he’s finally learned. That’s what the Texans need to find out.

btw, Houston has been down the “drinking isn’t that big a deal” road before with a super-talented player, Eddie Griffin…(1982-2007)

Worth a read…
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=adande_ja&page=EddieGriffin

"...you may all got hell, and I will go to Texas!"
-Davey Crockett

by Drill Sarge on Feb 16, 2012 11:48 AM CST up reply actions  

Truthfully, I never had a beer before 21

Then again, I don’t drink beer at all cause I hate the taste. At the same time, I wasn’t driving until I was 21 either because I didn’t have a car until then either. I’ll also state this again, I take this issue seriously cause I had a guy in my old army unit that I was good friends with die after getting t-boned by a drunk driver

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."

by The Night Owl on Feb 17, 2012 12:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Interesting post from the mothership.

Reviewing the Texans QB’s for 2011. Of course this stands out:

Key splits: The Texans’ offense in 10 games with Schaub (NFL rank in parentheses): 27.3 points/game (5th), 396.2 yards/game (8th), 238.1 passing yards/game (13th), 9 turnovers (t-3rd), 16 sacks (t-7th), 45.8 third-down percentage (6th)

The Texans’ offense in six games without Schaub (NFL rank in parentheses): 18.0 points/game (t-24th), 347.3 yards/game (20th), 187.5 passing yards/game (20th), 11 turnovers (t-19th), 17 sacks (23rd), 34.1 third-down percentage (23rd)

In numbers how important Schaub was to the offense compared to Andre and Foster.

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Feb 15, 2012 8:58 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Or alternatively:

In numbers how important SchaubQB was to the offense compared to AndreWR and FosterRB. Sadly, there’s not much you can do other than hope that your starting QB stays healthy.

by Nashmeister on Feb 15, 2012 9:01 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm not comparing the positions I'm comparing the individual players.

This also goes back to what I was saying a few weeks ago about how it wasn’t extremely important the Texans get a new WR to start (for depth yes).

The issue with the offense was health last year not talent. Not saying it couldn’t be improved but it wasn’t a ball of suck either. If they can get Schaub and Andre to stay healthy all year and add some young pieces to the offense (at WR mainly) like a FA or a 1-3 round pick at WR and whoever will take Derrick Ward and Joel’s spot. For example a speed RB as a change of pace guy and a return man. Little moves like that.

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Feb 15, 2012 9:14 PM CST up reply actions  

"If they can get Schaub and Andre to stay healthy all year..."

lol

If I can get Scarlett Johanssonn to spend the night…

"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus

by FreedomRide on Feb 15, 2012 9:21 PM CST up reply actions  

If I can get

my balls shaved without managing to miss a hair or two . . .

I have not yet begun to defile myself.

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by MDC on Feb 15, 2012 9:22 PM CST up reply actions  

She'd appreciate that, I'm sure.

"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus

by FreedomRide on Feb 15, 2012 9:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Ha well they did for a couple years.

To bad those were wasted.

/Thanks Frank Bush.

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Feb 15, 2012 9:31 PM CST up reply actions  

It's one in the same, though.

Andre and Arian are considerably better at their respective positions than Schaub is. The difference is that their positions just aren’t as valuable, and there’s not as much disparity between high-level and replacement-level.

by Nashmeister on Feb 15, 2012 9:23 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep. Jacoby's nearly as good as Andre.

No point in trying to upgrade the backup there.

"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus

by FreedomRide on Feb 15, 2012 9:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I like you..

but you’re crazy man.

/old school’d

"I said 'That's not my dad, that's a cell phone!' and I threw that cell phone TO THE GROUND"

by jstid911 on Feb 16, 2012 10:02 AM CST up reply actions  

If we do trade down, we may pick up an extra fourth.

If we get back our Briesel and Myers, I think we won’t draft any olineman early. We still Have Newton, Butler, Shelly Smith, and Caldwell under contract. If we go WR and Dline with our first 2 picks, I wouldn’t be mad to see us take a flyer on LaMichael James. Teams don’t seem to be high on him as an every down back, but I think he could be a Darren Sproles type in the NFL. He could take Jacoby and Manning kcik return duties, and could give you a few snaps out of the backfield. Could be there in the 3rd or fourth…

"...you may all got hell, and I will go to Texas!"
-Davey Crockett

by Drill Sarge on Feb 15, 2012 9:30 PM CST up reply actions  

b b buutttt....SCHAUB SUCKSSSS...wahhhhh!!!

I figured that if I said it enough, I would convince the world that I really was the greatest.
~Muhammad Ali

by steelblue on Feb 15, 2012 9:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I realize basketball is horrible...

But that Rockets game was awesome. Even if I did have to sit through 31 minutes of Scolafail. Somebody get that caveman off of my TV.

by Nashmeister on Feb 15, 2012 9:24 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

Tasted any Linsanity yet?

Just when I thought we’d never see another Tebow like media storm…

Of course he’s actually good at his position unlike Tebow.

Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.

by Ethan Matz on Feb 15, 2012 9:33 PM CST up reply actions  

The difference?

Lin is actually competent at his position.

"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus

by FreedomRide on Feb 15, 2012 9:36 PM CST up reply actions  

...but it's still the NBA, so who cares?

"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus

by FreedomRide on Feb 15, 2012 9:36 PM CST up reply actions  

most turnovers IN NBA HISTORY

through his first 5 games.

lets just leave that out though

@THEREALALLENOU on twitter - "The man, the verb, the legend" OU'd

by AllenOU on Feb 16, 2012 10:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Hey

What do can you expect from the BSPN Hype Machine. Funny thing is, if Lin were starting for the Rockets or Warriors he wouldn’t get a fraction of attention he’s getting right now.

"He was in my way, so I got him out of the way." - Arian Foster

by Catallac392 on Feb 16, 2012 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

uh

he is breaking all sorts of records right now. He is having an amazing run.

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Feb 16, 2012 5:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah except

He wouldn’t get nearly the same amount of attention as he would if he were playing for the Rockets.

"He was in my way, so I got him out of the way." - Arian Foster

by Catallac392 on Feb 16, 2012 10:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Actually I think he would

Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride

by nolander on Feb 17, 2012 10:48 AM CST up reply actions  

No he wouldn't

Don’t you know by now that BSPN ignores Houston sports?

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."

by The Night Owl on Feb 17, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

No way he gets the same amount of attention

If he were on the Rockets. “BSPN” will hype anything that’s coming from the east coast, especially New York.

I remember when BSPN and NFL Network where salivating over the Idea that Nnamdi would join the Jets. That story almost bloated out everything else.

Jeremy Lin is a good story. He’s a good starter and I think he has the potential to be really good, but sports commentators are acting like he’s the next HOF player. Saying stuff like, “The legend continues” every time he makes a good play, as if its the most unthinkable thing the world.

I think the hype is a little annoying but he would almost certainly get more attention in NY than if he where on a team that has a lesser market.

"He was in my way, so I got him out of the way." - Arian Foster

by Catallac392 on Feb 17, 2012 3:23 PM CST up reply actions  

The Knicks' shooting % takes a notable jump when he's in there, too, I believe.

All I’m saying is he looks a lot more like an NBA point guard than Tebow looks like an NFL QB.

"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus

by FreedomRide on Feb 16, 2012 4:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Haven't seen him play.

But I heard something interesting the other day. If Stern hadn’t vetoed the Chris Paul trade, Dragic wouldn’t be on our team any more. Consider that they cut Lin because they didn’t want to carry four PGs. Now, Johnny Flynn probably would have beaten him out for the back-up job, but once Lowry got injured we very well might have gotten to see him play. Who knows if he’d have had the same success, but it’s interesting to imagine. Plus, it’s always nice to have another reason to hate David Stern (as if you needed one).

Plus, we’d have gotten rid of Scola. Steeeeernnnnnnn!

by Nashmeister on Feb 15, 2012 9:39 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Lin is legit.

but yeah basketball is way overpriced today i asked my dad what his nba pass was worth and he said 400 dollars i thought we got it on our package.

All I want to do is FAAAARRRRRRRRRMMMMMMMMM!!!....and COok.

by Mellowcheese on Feb 15, 2012 10:00 PM CST reply actions  

Lin is everything the Knicks needed right now

It just sucks he never got a chance here.

On that note: FUCK YOU DAVID STERN!!!!

Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."

by The Night Owl on Feb 15, 2012 10:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Call me crazy

But, I’m really excited about Jaws tonight!

"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster

by Rip Jersey on Feb 15, 2012 10:18 PM CST reply actions  

"You're going to need a bigger boat."

A sharp tongue is the only edged tool that grows keener with constant use.--Washington Irving

by Foster Child on Feb 16, 2012 5:43 AM CST up reply actions  

I bet we get surprised on draft day

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by Antho10000 on Feb 15, 2012 11:13 PM CST reply actions  

like every other draft day?

I think Andre Johnson is the only “sure thing” mock draft we’ve ever had. The Texans are notorious for grabbing someone we didn’t see coming.

by MeMongo on Feb 16, 2012 12:13 AM CST up reply actions  

Duane Brown

Wow, that was the biggest one I never saw coming. And how nicely it’s turned out, as well.

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by bigfatdrunk on Feb 16, 2012 12:36 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

last two years

even when we figured out the position we where no where close on the player. Cameron Jordan got most of the hype predraft iirc last year

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by nolander on Feb 16, 2012 1:23 AM CST up reply actions  

aaaaaaaannnnd

JJ Watt and Brian Cushing. Seriously, I could go on my usual “Rick Smith is a bad*ss and we didn’t appreciate him enough until this year” rant, but holy crap, the value he finds early and even later with the secondary: Glover, McCain, McMannis is quite impressive.

by wiseonekms on Feb 16, 2012 1:39 AM CST up reply actions  

His free agent picks have been pretty damned hot, too.

I can’t believe how down I was on him just a year ago just because of the Okoye and KJ picks. I wanted the man fired for them.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 16, 2012 7:46 AM CST up reply actions  

Poe in the 1st if he falls.

Stephen Hill in the 2nd. Dude is 6.5 210 pounds and runs a fucking 4.4 forty. How he isn’t in the first round I don’t know.

by SoCalTexan on Feb 16, 2012 1:07 AM CST reply actions  

RE: Hill

“lack of hands”

He’s a bigger version of Jacoby Jones.

by MeMongo on Feb 16, 2012 1:16 AM CST up reply actions  

That's not what I hear

It’s the unpolished route running, lack of huge college stats (Georgia Tech runs the triple option attack, so it’s not his fault).

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Is-Georgia-Tech-WR-Stephen-Hill-the-best-big-play-threat-in-the-draft.html

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by TexansDC on Feb 16, 2012 9:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Impossible to fairly evaluate

him or randle due to where they played.

no matter what, there is risk with both

I KNOW floyd can be a top 10 WR in the NFL

so which is the better risk is the question.

ILL Take the more talented guy everytime

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by AllenOU on Feb 16, 2012 10:23 AM CST up reply actions  

The thing Hill's got going for him that Randle doesn't...

GT has had two huge, raw receivers (Calvin Johnson and Demaryius Thomas) who’ve come out to make an impact and show improvement. It’ll make his risk seem a little more palatable, even if you can’t really directly apply that.

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by TexansDC on Feb 16, 2012 10:32 AM CST up reply actions  

didnt think about that

it shouldnt matter, but I think youre right. could be a huge help

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by AllenOU on Feb 16, 2012 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

Johnson played at GT when Chan Gailey was still coaching there.

He was a lot more polished coming out than Demaryious Thomas and Hill are. Thomas has a few big plays, but still only has 800 yards recieving in 2 seasons. I wouldn’t trust a reciever from that offense as a top 2 round pick.

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by Drill Sarge on Feb 16, 2012 11:31 AM CST up reply actions  

Thomas has battled tons of injuries in his first 2 seasons

And was catching balls from Tebow. If he could stay on the field and had a real QB he would be huge.

by SoCalTexan on Feb 16, 2012 12:15 PM CST up reply actions  

You're looking at total stats as opposed to the situation.

I said he made an impact and showed improvement…didn’t start in year 1, is in year 2 with Tebow, he’s doing as well as one could expect – especially the 201 yards against Pittsburgh.

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by TexansDC on Feb 16, 2012 1:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't like Floyd

but I think AllenOU makes a fair point. Floyd does have insane potential, this cannot be disregarded b/c of some question marks about him. Ravens drafted Jimmy Smith last year late, and he seems to rounding into good behavior. I say that late in the 1st round (while I don’t propogate using our 1st pick on a wideout) if it HAD to be someone, I agree w/ AllenOU: it should be him.

by wiseonekms on Feb 16, 2012 5:45 PM CST up reply actions  

are there ANY thoughts

of moving James Casey as our #2 receiver and making Vickers the full time fb?? I know Kubes loves the “swiss army knife” utility of one James Casey, but I think he could be an insane option as a WR. He’s fast enough, he runs good routes and he has good hands. I doubt it’ll happen, but it might give us some flexibility in the draft to address other more valuable needs such as: interior OL, pass rusher (if God forbid Mario doesn’t get signed) or CB. I think we’ll address #2 receiver newayz, but I actually think we have one of our receivers for next season on roster: Lestar Jean.

We’re not as hard pressed for receivers as one may think. With that said, I know we’re drafting one in the top 3 rounds.

by wiseonekms on Feb 16, 2012 1:37 AM CST reply actions  

I think Casey would move back to be the #2 TE before being a #2 WR

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by The Night Owl on Feb 16, 2012 3:31 AM CST up reply actions  

true true.

I think that makes more sense too. Then where does Garret Graham come into play?

by wiseonekms on Feb 16, 2012 5:47 PM CST up reply actions  

#3 TE

I think Oakland will throw money at Dreesen to pair him with Kevin Boss

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by The Night Owl on Feb 17, 2012 12:28 PM CST up reply actions  

I think he could be

everything KW is and more, but I don’t think they will do it.

by Bobbythegreat on Feb 16, 2012 10:10 AM CST up reply actions  

Casey should be the full time FB.

He can block just as well but I know he’s not going to drop a wide open TD pass in the flats.

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by Ethan Matz on Feb 16, 2012 3:22 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Having seen a lot of Devon Still

He’s definitely a DE in the 3-4. Not that he couldn’t be a servicable NT, but it would not the best use of his talents (which would actually be as a DT in a 4-3).

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by DrewRusse on Feb 16, 2012 8:18 AM CST reply actions  

But remember

In historical terms, Wade’s NT has 1-gap responsibilities, basically meaning his job is to get to the QB first and foremost. Still doesn’t necessarily fit this bill, either. I’m actually off my big fat-ass NT kick for now, but I’d love to see Cody retired to an acting career.

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by bigfatdrunk on Feb 16, 2012 9:11 AM CST up reply actions  

doesn't bfd get a hard on for fatties?

or did i not hear right?

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by NoSafetiesNeeded on Feb 16, 2012 1:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Texans will trade out of the first round!

There is a reason that the talent on the Texans roster has improved. It’s because they have a smart GM. He understands the value of more draft picks. And that value out weighs anyone that you might try to pencil in at the # 26 spot in the first round. I could be wrong but I don’t believe in the Texans history of drafts there was once that they traded up. And in the time that R Smith has been running things I believe he has traded down more than he has stayed put.

It really comes down to a team that wants a certain guy that is available when the Texans pick comes up. I personally think Cleveland will be dailing the Texans number on draft day.

And don’t be surprised if they take WR Toon. He can run block and he is a 1st down getting machine. His football IQ is off the charts as well. I wouldn’t call him an injury risk either. Missing 3 games in 4 years is not injury prone.

by OB1Bud2 on Feb 16, 2012 3:18 PM CST reply actions  

Such a difference a year makes.
It’s because they have a smart GM.

I found BRB through NFL.com thanks to an “around the web” link to an article here abut Rick Smith.

http://www.battleredblog.com/2011/1/10/1926786/a-look-at-rick-smiths-drafts-as-general-manager-of-the-houston-texans

Needless to say smart GM isn’t a sentence anybody would utter at the time. Just found that interesting.

As far as moving up and down the draft board the Texans don’t really do much of that from what I can think of. At least not in the first 3 or 4 rounds. They traded up for Brandon Harris last year which is the only example I can think of Rick Smith moving up in a draft here. They swapped spots with Atlanta in the Schaub trade so technically they moved down there.

I wouldn’t mind a trade down but it’s not something the FO is known for doing.

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by Ethan Matz on Feb 16, 2012 3:32 PM CST up reply actions  

They did the trade down for Duane Brown and Ben Tate...

That jumps to mind immediately.

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by TexansDC on Feb 16, 2012 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Not a trend, per se

But Rick’s generally been active on draft day (unlike his predecessor)

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by TexansDC on Feb 16, 2012 4:35 PM CST up reply actions  

whats wrong with trading 3 picks for burnt toast?

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by NoSafetiesNeeded on Feb 16, 2012 7:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm all for

trading down. However, I see no reason to do that this season. We are in a solid place to take a calculated risk on a player with high upside/fits our system. Most of the time I’d be all for “trade down,” but I’ve gained much faith in Smith to pull the trigger when appropriate and to trade when appropriate too.

by wiseonekms on Feb 16, 2012 6:05 PM CST up reply actions  

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