Results from MTD's 2012 Live Mock Draft
by The Night Owl on Feb 18, 2012 7:15 PM CST
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PrintWell, it's that time of year again. Myself & SpaceCityKid put in a lot of work & discussion on these picks over the past two days. We attempted some wheeling & dealing to move around, but were unable to make any moves, so we stayed put at all of our picks hopefully made the best decisions possible. Here are the results:
1st Round - WR Alshon Jeffery - South Carolina
Well this one is pretty easy to explain as he was the last 1st round grade WR left on the board. He'll fit in just fine with the Texans & the coaching staff will get him in football shape.
2nd Round - NT Josh Chapman - Alabama
Again, a no brainer here. He was the best NT left on the board & I didn't think he was gonna last too far into the 3rd if we didn't take him here. Definitely should fill that hole we have at NT. It's been long overdue, but we finally addressed this position.
3rd Round- DE Derek Wolfe - Cincinnatti
I had Wolfe targeted here from the start. He displays all of the traits Wade wants in a D-Lineman, plus his ability to play inside or outside will be beneficial. Think of him as J.J. Watt Lite. I think he'll be great in a rotation, & could eventually replace Antonio Smith once his contract is up.
4th Round - C/G Philip Blake - Baylor
We were targeting O-Linemen here, & he just fell into our laps. He was a major value pick & quite a steal in the 4th round, plus insurance in case we don't resign Chris Myers.
5th Round - OG Lonnie Edwards - Texas Tech
Antoine Caldwell hasn't shown much improvement, & we don't know what we have in Shelley Smith either. This is another insurance pick for Mike Brisiel.
6th Round - RB/KR Bobby Rainey - Western Kentucky
I think this guy is a sleeper pick. He's 5'7", 208 lbs. with 40 times of 4.42 and 4.45. Finished his NCAA career with 895 carries for 4,542 yards, plus finished with over 6,900 total yards & 42 TDs. He's a good receiving threat & he has return skills. This guy reminds me a lot of Maurice Jones-Drew. With Ward probably leaving & Jacoby Jones pretty much out the door, this pick kills two birds with one stone.
7th Round - QB Case Keenum - Houston
Well we do need a cheap #3 QB, & he was the best QB left on the board. Why not keep him in town? Maybe Kubiak can work his magic & flip him for a better pick down the line.
Texans UDFAs:
WR Tim Benford - Tennessee Tech
He had an impressive showing at the East/West Shrine Game, so why not give him a shot?
FB Cody Johnson - Texas
Joel Dreessen is probably leaving, & James Casey could move back to TE. Vickers needs some competition.
OT Blake DeChristopher - Virginia Tech
A peck injury severly damaged his draft stock. He's probably worth taking a flyer on.
OG/OT Rokevious Watkins - South Carolina
At 6'4" 340 lbs, he is a load. He can play OG or OT, so it could be worth it so have someone that can swing to both spots.
ILB Carmen Messina - New Mexico
Like Wade says, in his system you can never have too many linebackers. Worth taking a flyer on.
Here's the full board & results from the mock draft.
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“How the hell would I know – I don’t know much about college players”
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
I am Barry - I am from Texas
THIS ^^^
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Satisfied now???
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 18, 2012 7:27 PM CST up reply actions
yes quite
Official hype-man of the Flour Bluff Academic Decathlon team
"Puns are the highest form of literature." - Alfred Hitchcock
Close enough
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
I am Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on Feb 18, 2012 7:40 PM CST up reply actions
It isn't that I don't watch college football at all
But there in really no way to know what the real player pool has to offer for most of us, other than depending upon experts whether they are the paid kind or not.
I can check out each of the player you show, but I have no idea about the 100’s of others out there.
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
I am Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on Feb 18, 2012 7:42 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Bing is your best friend
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 18, 2012 7:49 PM CST up reply actions
You mean TE/RT Alshon Jeffery lol
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by nolesbroncos3456 on Feb 18, 2012 7:49 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Jeffery
Are you not worried about his alleged 4.88 40?
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot
Not after seeing these
Quote:
Alshon Jeffrey 4.88 time, is outright untrue. Hearing whispers its being floated from his camp, so he blows expectation away at combine. per @NFLDraftMonster
Heath Kline on 107.5 The Game stated that the author of that tweet has backtracked on all "facts" including where he was supposedly timed and when he was timed. The author is FOS, and has a background in music, not football (unless fantasy football counts).
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 18, 2012 8:02 PM CST up reply actions
Wow
Interesting.
The soft bigotry of low expectations.
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
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"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot
by bigfatdrunk on Feb 18, 2012 10:02 PM CST up reply actions
Was soft bigotry invented by the same folks
that invented soft pr0n?
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
I am Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on Feb 18, 2012 10:11 PM CST up reply actions
i give your draft an A+++
Alshon Jeffrey was the top WR in the SEC in 2010. That is better than Green from UGA. And we know he is the real deal, playing with Cincy now. I heard a scout talking this morning and he described his ability as very similar as HOFer Michael Irvin being able to use physicality to separate from defenders. He said last season his playing weight was 230 and he is weighing 220 now. He’s 6’4’ and he plays to his height. His hands have received high praise, too. If he is available I would be excited to see him come to the Texans.
The NT in the 2nd round would be a good pick for the future, too.
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
by Rip Jersey on Feb 20, 2012 9:42 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
LOVE LOVE LOVE
The keenum pick!
by skeezy12 on Feb 18, 2012 8:03 PM CST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Not liking Alshon Jeffery in the 1st round. Might feel differently after the Combine.
Case Keenum is not an NFL player; would rather see a special teams prospect at #7.
I like Chapman, Blake and Rainey.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
Well, look at the board & tell me what you would have done in that position
Blackmon, Floyd, Sanu, & Wright were all gone before we picked
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 18, 2012 8:56 PM CST up reply actions
I don't trust him. I would have traded back if I could and maybe taken Toon.
It’s not really looking good for us to get an impact WR in the draft, so looking at it from a roll-the-dice perspective, I guess I could see taking Jeffery.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
Toon wasn't taken till the 3rd round, & Randle was the only WR taken in the 2nd, & we weren't about to reach on a WR
Plus no one was accepting our trade offers so we were stuck at that pick. Besides, it’s not like we get much production from the #2 WR spot anyways, so if he pans out, we’re better off
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 18, 2012 9:14 PM CST up reply actions
I want Nick Toon!
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
I am Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on Feb 18, 2012 9:30 PM CST up reply actions
on a slightly related note: I pissed off both the Texans and Titans fanbases by picking Zach Brown at 20
interesting
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by nolesbroncos3456 on Feb 18, 2012 8:49 PM CST reply actions
How does that piss off Texans fans?
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
Our Andre, who art from Heaven, hallowed by thy name.
Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on Earth as it is in Canton.
Do we really want to see him as a pass rusher on the Titans?
My guess with his speed is no
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 19, 2012 10:49 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
but how does it piss off Texans fans?
Titans fans I get but us?
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
Our Andre, who art from Heaven, hallowed by thy name.
Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on Earth as it is in Canton.
Okay now I get it.
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
Our Andre, who art from Heaven, hallowed by thy name.
Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on Earth as it is in Canton.
after doing this last year with you and NSN
I know how hard this is. So i am not going to judge to much. I totally understand the jeffrey pick. I was wondering is the center from baylor ranked higher then the one from michgan? I know i cant really be critcal about the late picks, but i think i would have went some other ways. Have you went back and looked at the rest of the afc south?
2012 1st round draft pick is...............
Blake was rated just slightly higher than Molk
Both were on the board at the time so we had our choice of the two in the 4th. As far as the other AFC South teams, I haven’t checked them out completely, but they probably put their draft classes up on the MTD Mock Draft Recap thread already
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 19, 2012 8:56 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
ok was just asking
Just know ppl are in love with molk here.
2012 1st round draft pick is...............
I don't even think he was on the big board
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 19, 2012 9:04 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
well heard he could go udfa
Just thought he would be on board. Would you take him though?
2012 1st round draft pick is...............
Maybe taking a flyer on him
but not likely after getting Bobby Rainey
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 19, 2012 9:51 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
I really like the Rainey pick
I like the logic behind taking him, too. Everything about this pick makes sense to me.
Why? It just does. This guy could be dangerous filling-in in Kubiak’s plug-n-play offense. He knows where the end zone is, too. I really, really like this pick.
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
one thing that makes this a solid high B
Case Keenum. Now he may not be the best QB we could’ve gotten. BUT THE FANBASE……this is the stuff i want a bigger fan base and to become a powerhouse in this league you need 3 things……a devoted fanbase, a great HC and DC/OC, and a solid time
All I want to do is FAAAARRRRRRRRRMMMMMMMMM!!!....and COok.
by Mellowcheese on Feb 19, 2012 8:46 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Actually he was the best QB on the board when we picked him
Basically it was between him or Kellen Moore, and the draft commish was threatening to give Jordan Jefferson to anyone that took too long in the 7th. Keenum was a no brainer pick at that point
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 19, 2012 9:10 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
i guess this was a no brainer pick.
Texans have taking a homer pick i think alot these past couple of years. James casey, earl mitchell, cheta.
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That vaunted UH fanbase....
Would go away as soon as Keenum is cut in the preseason.
"Lord, beer me strength."
I love the Keenum pick
Imagine what it would do to the UH fans. This pick would immediately create 40,000 new fans (if they are not fans already) for the Texans.
For a guy, who in all likelihood, won't see the field?
I don’t understand the hype, but then again, I was flabbergasted by Tebow-mania as well. As long as we don’t have 40,000 UH fans screaming for Keenum after Schaub throws his first pick of the 2012 season, I’m okay with taking a shot on a late prospect.
by brightshinies on Feb 20, 2012 12:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Case Keenum
Waste of a pick, its not about working him into a better pick. His problem has been health. I mean he was granted a 6th year because of two injuries if I’m not mistaken. (Which I very well could be)
I am not in your position and didn’t have a time limit to select through the garbage heap looking for diamonds.
I guess I can look forward to future mocks to critique them.
True arrogance has been displayed here- WestministerRavensfan or something
Hi My name is Jack, why don't you help me off?
by WreckNTexan on Feb 19, 2012 10:06 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
we need another camp arm
I dont see anything wrong with this pick. No way we go get a fa qb. We all know leinart will be gone most likely.
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by southpaw70 on Feb 19, 2012 10:14 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
We need Qb3 on the cheap
He was the best on the board and can throw an amazing ball.
Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!
by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 19, 2012 12:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Truth.
There are a reasons he is not in most top 10 QB lists in spite of his ridiculous stats: his arm is barely average and he’s on the small side for an NFL QB. The system he played in bore little resemblance to an NFL offense.
I’m a UH alum and Case is my boy, but I never felt I was watching an NFL prospect when I saw him play. If we need camp arm, there will be plenty of FAs available.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
TJ was suppoed to be a camp body
he ended up starting our playoff game. Im not arguing that Keenum needs to be grabbed in the 3rd or anything. In this mock, it was the 7th round, not many quality QBs were left so we grabbed the best available.
Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!
by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 20, 2012 9:32 AM CST up reply actions
Case and TJ are not the same thing at all.
TJ was NOT supposed to be just a camp body. A lot of people were calling him a sleeper with starter potential—which he proved to be. No one’s saying anything like that about Case.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
by FreedomRide on Feb 20, 2012 10:09 AM CST up reply actions
Oh cmon Trent Dilfer said that
He was a fringe NFL player possibly an ok backup. Another difference between them is that we grabbed TJ in the 5th round. We didnt grab Keenum til our 7th in this mock and Im soure you didnt watch half the players taken in that round and think “This guys an NFL player!”. Theyre fringe guys with potential.
Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!
by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 20, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
im sorry but trent dilfer is not a reliable source
he sucked ass for most of his career and just regurgitates what everyone else says.
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vocabulary." - Lawrence Vickers
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by NoSafetiesNeeded on Feb 20, 2012 11:11 AM CST up reply actions
I disagree that Dilfer's playing career disqualifies him.
He had to struggle to hold a starting QB job in the NFL because he was not that physically gifted. He was a worker QB, like Kubiak or Sean Payton, exactly the kind of guy who makes a good coach. Dilfer also coaches QBs in the off-season.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
by FreedomRide on Feb 20, 2012 11:25 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
C'mon, yerself. The two players' pre-draft statuses are not comparable.
Marvin Lewis said they would have taken TJ had Dalton been gone. No one is talking about taking Case, or calling him a real prospect—because he’s not.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
by FreedomRide on Feb 20, 2012 11:13 AM CST up reply actions
It was more than Dilfer
There was a lot of praise for the pick (I know Mike Mayock was really positive on it, as one example).
"Lord, beer me strength."
Ok so we got a steal in the 5th round on a talented prospect
No one is saying Case is the same guy. We need a QB3 and there werent many left, he was the best guy on the board and Kellen Moore went shortly afterwards so there werent going to be many UDFAs to choose from.
Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!
by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 20, 2012 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
He has gone anywhere yet this was a mock draft
So hold off on basing your opinion on that. He has been majorly underrated bc of the offense he plays in, his size, his age and injury concerns. His amazing ball is what is still keeping him in play at all.
Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!
by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 20, 2012 9:19 AM CST up reply actions
hasnt*
Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!
by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 20, 2012 9:20 AM CST up reply actions
I'm basing my opinions on multiple sources
Not just one mock draft.
Hell, he’s in need of a good combine to even get drafted….so that says it all about his stock.
"Lord, beer me strength."
And youre grillin us for grabbing him in the end of the 7th
Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!
by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 20, 2012 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
like to matchup against AFC south.
Colts Jags Titans
Luck kendall wright zach brown
Minnifield vinny curry kelechi osemele
Jean-Baptise zebreie sanders leonard johnson
ryan broyles chris givens jake bequette
Jordan white tyrone crawford darron thomas
david paulson eddie whitley trenton robinson
Joel foreman chris rainey lavasier tuinei
Mike daniels
2012 1st round draft pick is...............
well that came out all kind of wrong
Well if you read straight down from each team, that is who they drafted.
2012 1st round draft pick is...............
Cody Johnson did he get drafted?
Guy could be a Good FB. TD Machine at Texas.
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
Our Andre, who art from Heaven, hallowed by thy name.
Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on Earth as it is in Canton.
did you read this post?
He got him as a undrafted free agent
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I did, just didn't see his name
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
Our Andre, who art from Heaven, hallowed by thy name.
Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on Earth as it is in Canton.
No he's on our UDFA list
Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!
by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 19, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply actions
whats sad is this draft could change.
All depends what happens with mario. I dont think wolfe can stand up can he? Cause i see you guys did not really address that position.
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Cause I know Wade has a knack for finding those guys anywhere
I’m sure none of us had Bryan Braman on our radar last offseason, right? Who knows, they could just slide Mister Alexander over to OLB to fill the spot. We don’t need to replace Mario. We just have to find depth behind Barwin & Reed. The reason to draft Wolfe is simple, to replace Bulman, & possibly even Smith eventually.
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 19, 2012 2:07 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
i think we do need somebody to replace mario if he leaves
Granted the guys we got now should know the system better. I mean ir you go that way whybdo we need guards. We have shelly smith, kasey studdard, mike brisel, wade smith, and caldwell.
2012 1st round draft pick is...............
Here's why we get all the linemen
Studdard will be gone, Caldwell isn’t good enough to start, & we don’t know what Smith has to offer because he hasn’t got on the field. Brisel plays well but he we need better depth behind him & Myers
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 19, 2012 2:34 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
when studdard is not hurt he was a good starter for us.
I think caldwell or smith can only get better. Why let them go? Already know system and all. If all the guys stay healthy we will be ok. Now i think we could le butler go if we find somebody cheaper to swing tackle. I really hate seeing him get paid way more then brown.
2012 1st round draft pick is...............
Going for Poe would have been reaching at that point
Randle was gone before we pick in the 2nd. Molk didn’t go until the early 4th round, Blake was rated higher than Molk
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 19, 2012 2:11 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Correction, Molk was taken in the 5th round
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 19, 2012 2:16 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
I don't like how people use the concept of "reaching"
As if every team’s board is exactly the same order. Different players have different round values to every team. 1 techs, 3 techs, and 5 techs all have differing levels of importance dependent on scheme, contract situation, and depth for every franchise. A so called reach for one team might be an absolute steal for another. When it comes to Houston, WR and NT are our biggest needs, therefor they are the only positions we should really go after in round 1. That’s not true for every other team, but it’s true for us and that’s all that matters.
He is the best nose tackle this year by far and while he might not be valuable to every team, his value to Houston is off the charts. Regardless of how much or how little other teams want him, he should be our top priority because there is a much more noticeable drop off from Poe to Still than Jeffrey to Randle. Poe won’t be there at pick 52; Randle will.
I agree with your assessment.
I get tired of hearing of players that fell or were reached on. The bottom line is we have no idea what positions teams may value and who they value. If they don’t believe that a player will make it to the next round and you really want him, then you pick him. How many times have teams said after the draft that a player went right before they could pick or made it past them but not to the next round?
In a couple of years no one remembers who was drafted where anyways so make the most out of your picks.
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vocabulary." - Lawrence Vickers
"I believe in this "zombie team that won’t fucking die no matter how many body parts you shoot off." We can win this game.
by NoSafetiesNeeded on Feb 20, 2012 9:10 AM CST up reply actions
Thats where I'm at
If Floyd or better isn’t available in the first, we should take Poe, Taamu, or an Olineman. Then nab toon in the 2d.
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Feb 20, 2012 1:32 PM CST up reply actions
Im hoping on Draft Day that Poe falls to us
and then we double dip at WR in the 2 & 3 ( Randle & Hill) . After that draft depth at LB , OL and bring in a returner. That would be an ideal draft in my mind.
by FLASH94 on Feb 19, 2012 4:41 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Well here's the issue with that
Baltimore was ready & willing to take Jeffrey in the 1st, San Fran traded up for Randle, & Hill didn’t make it to our 3rd round pick. If we had taken Poe, we would have had to reach for a WR at both spots. Jeffrey was the best value at #26, plain & simple.
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 19, 2012 5:08 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
why would baltimore want another wr?
They drafted two last year.
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To have a big target in the slot
To spread defenses out to give Rice more room to run. Because he’s the best player available. Take your pick. Their rep was saying Jeffrey wasn’t getting past the Ravens
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 19, 2012 6:30 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
i guess
Then they could have let boldin go. Hmmm just thought they would go D
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He didn't say anything until after we picked him
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 19, 2012 11:05 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
No idea why he would waste that pick on Jeffrey
when they clearly need a new LB
But he wanted no part of Burflict
He was hoping that Hightower would fall to them, & in typical fashion, Denver & Houston worked together to dash his hopes in back to back picks
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 20, 2012 12:25 AM CST up reply actions
Hightower really should get a bit more chatter here as a potential pick
Seems like a decent darkhorse pick.
"Lord, beer me strength."
I don't think they're going ILB in the first
Demeco holds everything together & takes on blocks so Cushing can roam free
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 20, 2012 12:33 AM CST up reply actions
Perhaps I should've stated if they cut DeMeco
Which could be possible, pending his salary. Sadly, post-injury DeMeco does not play up to the value of his deal.
"Lord, beer me strength."
I want Dwight Jones from UNC or
Stephen Hill from GT in the 2nd round!
by bantams28 on Feb 19, 2012 5:47 PM CST via Android app reply actions
i for some reason still think dwight good be good here.
Just have to wait and see how he does at combine. I know he had a bad senior game and practice but he still can be good.
2012 1st round draft pick is...............
well i am talking about getting him later
No earlier then 3rd
2012 1st round draft pick is...............
Dwight Jones fell down to the Redskins in the 4th
Taking him in the 2nd would be a massive reach
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 19, 2012 6:33 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
LIKE Derek Wolfe in the 3rd!
Hes a borderline 1st round talent so thats huge value. Alshon seems like the ultimate hit or miss pick.
I like Josh Chapman and think he could push Earl Mitchell and next year Cody.
Like that you got OL help, but wouldve taken Andrew Datko or Molk before Blake. Just my 2 cents..
Also, do NOT like that the Jags and Colts had such a solid draft. NO Kendall Wright in the AFC South!
by YohannDookeyblue on Feb 19, 2012 6:37 PM CST reply actions
Nothing I could do about those two teams
It’s the benefit that comes with sucking
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 19, 2012 7:23 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
I think more late WR reserch should be inputed
While Jeffery has potential, it is that potential that might make him unavailable. In that case seeing what talent might be around in the 2-4 rounds is going to be important.
I am pre combine mock drafted out, it is nice to see these middle rounder names and do some research on them.
True arrogance has been displayed here- WestministerRavensfan or something
Hi My name is Jack, why don't you help me off?
Well I Would have.....
Grabbed the biggest nastiest NT in #1
Then spent WR picks on #2 and #3.
Followed by OL help at 4 and 5
LB @ 6
and QB at 7, but not Keenum
UDA’s would include returner/ OL/ RB/(TE maybe)….
Doin stuff so nasty that you have to do it twice to confirm the level of nasty!!
Why not
Keenum at 7? He’d be just as good a third string QB as anyone else and he has a local connection.
by Bobbythegreat on Feb 19, 2012 11:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
This team doesn't draft a lot of local connection college stars....
Very few in the decade of existence….that’s not a good reason to draft a Keenum.
Dan Persa would be a better project.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Well Persa wasn't even on the MTD Big Board so I didn't even know to look him up
Besides, the Texans M.O. as of late has been to get at least one homer pick in the late rounds.
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 20, 2012 12:29 AM CST up reply actions
The Texans have only selected a player from a Texas-based college seven times. As for recent, I doubt that 2 Rice Owls in 3 years makes for a trend.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Earl Mitchell is from the Houston area as well
I don’t mean just playing in Texas, I’m talking about players from the area as well
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 20, 2012 12:42 AM CST up reply actions
The Texas college thing would apply to Keenum
All I’m saying is that it’s not the strongest reason to justify the pick. There’s not a lot of history there unlike Rick Smith’s penchant for drafting Pac-12/SEC talent (11 picks since he took over in 2007).
"Lord, beer me strength."
Regardless, going by the big board, Keenum was the best QB left in the 7th
For a cheap #3 QB, I’d deal with it
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 20, 2012 12:46 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
The only reason to spend a late pick on a QB is because you think he's a prospect,
either to be a a quality backup or a starter some day. Keenum is neither. If all you need is a camp arm, their will be abundant FAs available—Keenum might even be one of them.
There should still be some other position guys left in the 7th who are genuine prospects to make the final 53, at least as special teamers.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
Keenum is the product of a system
Not a great QB…. a product of a system…. Remember Andre’ Ware, DC Nobles, etc… U of H just has always had a good passing system and played teams with weak secondaries.
Doin stuff so nasty that you have to do it twice to confirm the level of nasty!!
This is true to an extent
But UH did collapse last year without him. I don’t think it is as simple as saying it is purely the system.
"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce
7th round picks are cheaper than FAs
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 20, 2012 10:15 AM CST up reply actions
All the more reason to grab a guy you really think can make the 53 with that pick.
That way you don’t have to bid against other teams for him.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
by FreedomRide on Feb 20, 2012 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
We didn't have many holes left to fill other than a #3 QB at that point
Truthfully, looking back, I would have targeted a pass rushing 3-4 OLB in the 5th (unfortunately SCK made the Edwards pick without any discussion). We both had QB in mind in the 7th, & Keenum was the best left on the board. Please, if you haven’t done it yet, go look at the full draft board that I posted & please tell me which way you would have gone instead in the 7th round. If you say Kellen Moore, you really haven’t been watching him lately
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 20, 2012 10:56 AM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't want Kellen Moore. I don't want a QB at all in the draft
unless Smithiak sees a chance to steal one like they did last year.
It isn’t about filling a need, it’s about getting some depth and a special teamer. I’d rather use the pick on the best RB, OG or LB left on the board.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
by FreedomRide on Feb 20, 2012 12:04 PM CST up reply actions
We got our RB in the 6th & we got a FB, a WR, 2 OL & a LB from UDFAs
Exactly how do I improve on that?
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 20, 2012 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
Not asking you to. At round 7, I want another guy who at least has a chance to play special teams.
Keenum doesn’t give me that.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
In the end it is a 7th round pick
I don’t think there would be an uproar if they did take Keenum with it. At least I would hope not.
"Never underestimate the dumb with JJ" - Hugh Jarce
True.
We’re really picking the fly shit out of the pepper here.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
Case Keenum > Dan Persa
…That is all.
Andre Johnson <<< BEAST >>> Houston Texans - #80
by BigRon on Feb 20, 2012 8:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Decent late round flyer target
I like Persa’s completion percentage number and he seems to have good command and some moxie. But I like Case better in those latter 2 facets. And If you have injury concerns about Keenum, there’s no way you can’t have bigger concerns with Persa. Case had one major injury (ACL) from which he’s fully recovered. Persa ruptured an achilles and had a banged up shoulder over the past 18 mos. Now, I’m a Coog, so I’m biased and didn’t really wanna be all waving the Case K flag up in here. I do think he’s the better prospect (used loosely w.r.t. both), and not just ‘cause he’s got local flavor. Case has a better arm than I’m seeing discussed by some draftniks, and I think he’s got a good chance of making a roster this fall, if not being drafted. Persa probably does too, but it’s just that I’ve seen nearly every snap of Keenum’s career and would prefer him, especially in the Texans O. Interested to see both perform at the Combine.
I wasn’t trying to be douchey with the comment, but I see some undo knocking of my boy Case K on this thread and had to say a little somethin’.
Andre Johnson <<< BEAST >>> Houston Texans - #80
by BigRon on Feb 20, 2012 10:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I got a return man in the 6th in Bobby Rainey
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 20, 2012 12:31 AM CST up reply actions
I don't get the Keenum hate either
Some people point to his injury, but they are OK with picking WRs (who have far more physical contact than a QB each game) who have injury histories or forget how even NFL QBs spend games or even seasons on the IR list.
Some point to his size as a limiting factor, but then again the guy playing in the superdome next state is even smaller than Keenum but still took the Orleans to the SB while posting ridiculous passing numbers.
There's a lot more than size that knocks Keenum
System QB, arm strength questions, size, age, and injury history, to name a few.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Keenum is 6'2", the only other QB in the discussion was 5'11" Kellen Moore
Not to mention if we did take time to discuss the pick, we were taking the risk of getting stuck with Jordan Jefferson if our time ran out as punishment for taking too long
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 20, 2012 12:31 AM CST up reply actions
Keenum's age
Keenum is still 24 and for reference he is slightly older than Luck(one year) and younger than TJ(one year).
And everywhere I look I only see positive things about his arm strength (at least no negatives). And I have watched quite a few of his games to know that his arm looks quite OK. But of course do share a link if you have seen negative reports on his arm.
so that leaves only the system QB questions. Sure he plays in a system that inflates numbers, but that should not be a huge knock on him. And even NFL offenses are moving towards more and more spread formations, options etc. and some NFL QBs spend more of their time in the shotgun with spread offensive formations.
Disclaimer
I do not have a man crush on Keenum. But I think he can be good, even very very good and we would look like fools if we let him slip away from under our noses and we have a legit need for a QB3.
I'll let the Washington Post suffice for now...makes note of his size and strength......and even gives some primer on how little success Spread QBs have in the NFL
But is this year’s resume enough to make Keenum a draft pick or at the very least get him on an NFL roster? Wes Bunting, the National Football Post’s director of college scouting, thinks so. He said that while Keenum doesn’t have the size and the arm strength to make all of the throws in the NFL, he has shown some improvement this year and as he gets older will get stronger and more precise. While it might not make him a starter, it should make him a quality backup.
"Is this a guy I’m going to trust to win football games for me in the NFL week in and week out? Absolutely not," Bunting said. "But as a No. 2 or No. 3 guy early … When you watch around the NFL and Tyler Palko’s your backup, you can’t convince me that this guy doesn’t have a spot in the NFL. I think he could be that No. 3 guy early, he’ll develop into a No. 2. Kind of like what the Packers are trying to do with Graham Harrell. I think he can make a comfortable living in the NFL as a reserve-type quarterback."
The NFL is not ripe with starting quarterbacks who hail from spread systems. New Orleans Saints quarterback Drew Brees would be the best example (incidentally, Sumlin was on Purdue’s staff when Brees was the starter there). Kevin Kolb, who played at Houston, would be another example, though he has a much stronger arm than Keenum. Other than those two, however, there are a handful of backups — Missouri’s Chase Daniel (Saints) and Harrell to name a couple — who have stuck, but in general, spread quarterbacks either don’t make it or don’t last in the NFL.
Probably not bad for a 3rd QB, and thus not as bad as some are saying, but I don’t know that I’d, personally, spend a pick on him. I hate players with injury histories.
"Lord, beer me strength."
More knocks on his arm strength and/or shotgun spread
So what you're saying is you don't trust Kubiak to be able to do anything with him?
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 20, 2012 1:09 AM CST up reply actions
I would trust Kubiak's eye more than anyone else's
My biggest hang up on Keenum, personally, is the injury history. The scheme doesn’t breed success, but I’d trust Kubiak’s read on a quarterback.
I do think there are better projects out there with more upside and fewer question marks (looking at Russell Wilson in particular). However, a 7th round pick is a win if he even makes the roster….and few 7th rounders would make Houston’s 2012 roster, so it would be whatever.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Wilson had been drafted already by Denver before our pick
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 20, 2012 1:16 AM CST up reply actions
I have watched Keenum play for his whole college career
Spread offense aside, the kid can make some amazing throws all over the field. I think he has it between the ears to be successful and thats what matters most. He is elusive, athletic and might not be able to throw 65 yd bombs but everything inside 40 yds is gonna be on the money.
Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!
by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 20, 2012 9:08 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Watch this video (at the end of the page)
The videos show that there is nothing especially wrong with his arm, he regularly throws pin point 40+ yard throws and leads his speedy receivers in step. Something even most of the NFL QBs have problems with.
But it also shows the weaknesses of the system, like never having to progress above the 2nd read before making a throw.
So all in all I think he is a good pick in the 7th round
T.J. Graham is going to be our new slot
also returning punts. He is a track star but is 5-11 and can play football. Still growing but could be a deep threat that complements AJ and hopefully Nick Toon, Stephen Hill, or Dwight Jones.
by bantams28 on Feb 20, 2012 12:20 AM CST via Android app reply actions
If we select Case Keenum
You know what the fans are going to say the moment Schaub throws an interception.
by TheDream34 on Feb 20, 2012 1:36 AM CST via mobile reply actions
They'll be calling for TJ Yates before Keenum
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 20, 2012 1:37 AM CST up reply actions
I'm not looking forward to that.
“TJ wouldn’t have made that throw…”
Sonicsgate: A movie about how the Sonics were stolen from Seattle.
Don't trade Courtney Lee!
Ditto.
Dreading it. You know it’s coming.
It’s another good reason to avoid the Comicle’s comment threads.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
Who the hell is going to be able to say that
after the throws TJ made in the Baltimore game. TJ saved all of his WTF INTs for one game.
Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!
by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 20, 2012 9:10 AM CST up reply actions
You never know
Denver called for Tebow before Quinn.
by brightshinies on Feb 20, 2012 4:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Of course, because they drafted Tebow in the 1st round
They traded for Quinn & really didn’t give much for him (well, at least they thought that at the time)
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 20, 2012 11:28 PM CST up reply actions
True, but John Fox didn't draft him in the first round
And as far as I know Quinn was supposed to be QB2 on the depth chart
by brightshinies on Feb 22, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah... Good thing we didn't draft Case Keenum...LOL
Doin stuff so nasty that you have to do it twice to confirm the level of nasty!!
by TEXSON on Feb 20, 2012 9:59 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Here's some highlight films on the players I picked (or at least ones I could find)
Alshon Jeffery – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ud5w_JnDWc&hd=1
Josh Chapman – can’t find any highlights focused on him. Only thing I could find was from some boring game against LSU
Derek Wolfe – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJsmdwFcPyg&hd=1
Philip Blake – no highlights on him either (no shock there)
Lonnie Edwards – of course you can’t find highlights on O-Linemen
Bobby Rainey – two years of highlights on him though, the more I see, the more I like
2010 – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMU2V5lZfXs&hd=1
2011 – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HQvi2nj6HU&hd=1
Case Keenum – I don’t think we need to see any more film on him, we should know him by now
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
Love the Rainey pick for our 3rd RB. I had never heard of him.
He looks like he has the quick cut and burst thru the hole that suits the ZBS. He would be good value in the 6th.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
Plus his receiving skills look pretty good as well
Love how even at his size, he doesn’t shy away from contact. At this point, really reminds me of Maurice Jones-Drew
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 20, 2012 10:21 AM CST up reply actions
Returns kicks, too, according to CBS.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
by FreedomRide on Feb 20, 2012 11:04 AM CST up reply actions
Exactly why I took him
There was more value in a #3 RB that can return kicks than a #5 or #6 WR that could do that. Believe me, I was initially targeting Marquis Maze here, but the more I looked at Rainey, the more sense he made
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 20, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions
Another thing:
He has tremendous football experience, even if it is in a minor conference. True, his tread might be a bit thin, but how long does a RB last anyway?
I’m really loving this guy for the Texans.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
And know enough about Case to JUST SAY NO!!!!
Doin stuff so nasty that you have to do it twice to confirm the level of nasty!!
by TEXSON on Feb 20, 2012 9:58 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Bobby Rainey was a really nice pick
He’s a name that’s been on my radar since October. Talented, hard working, and would be a nice special teams body.
"Lord, beer me strength."
Yes to Rainey
Good vids of him too. I hope we snag him.
Madame de Staël once said, "One must choose in life between boredom and suffering." De Staël is dead but there is always an alternative.
This is where the cool is.
damn. hating on the 7th rounder?
ITS A 7TH ROUNDER!!! Not even close to a concern! He could be the worst qb ever… we just cut him then! Also, i think this is a solid draft. well done guys
CUT JACOBY JONES CUT JACOBY JONES CUT JACOBY JONES
CUT JACOBY JONES CUT JACOBY JONES CUT JACOBY JONES
CUT JACOBY JONES CUT JACOBY JONES CUT JACOBY JONES
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Right?
Like wtf did Cheta Ozougwu give us?
Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!
by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 20, 2012 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
Exactly, it's not like 7th rounders are boom or bust
Sometimes you get either a David Anderson or Troy Nolan in the 7th, other times you get a Alex Brink or Cheta Ozougwu
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 20, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions
we owe him big on that front
Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!
by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 20, 2012 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
It's February and the Combine hasn't started.
What else do we have to argue about?
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
BBQ recipes?
Bewb-filled politics?
A sharp tongue is the only edged tool that grows keener with constant use.--Washington Irving
by Foster Child on Feb 21, 2012 7:21 PM CST up reply actions
2 Months Away!!!
I like it. Alshon is a wild card and I’m interested to see how he looks coming into the combine. It’s kind of a catch 22 with him. If he shows up soft then he’ll slide to us in the 1st. If he shows up ripped, he could very well get swept up before we’d have a crack at him. All of the other picks seem sound. I’ll have more input to share after the combines and pro days. I just don’t know too, too much about these guys yet except for the fact that they’re talented guys. I LOVE Keenum in the 7th. I wouldn’t even mind it if we picked him up in the 6th. However, I think that he might go to a team a little bit sooner than that. The injuries don’t bother me, he’s a smart kid, his escape ability is above average, his pocket presence is great and his arm accuracy and strength are good enough to play on Sundays. Is it completely wrong for me to compare Keenum to a young and raw Drew Brees?
Zach Brown... if he is available early the Texans should get him in the 2nd or 3rd if Mario Walks
Doin stuff so nasty that you have to do it twice to confirm the level of nasty!!
Don't think it's gonna happen
He’ll go either late 1st or early 2nd, & we have higher needs at other positions even if Mario leaves
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 20, 2012 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
Plus he seems to have a successful "country" music gig.
He may just pursue that full-time.
Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.
"Will it never be noon?" Duke of Orleans to the Dauphin and Constable of France every Sunday before the Texans play.
by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 20, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions
Ok going to go back and look at your draft.
See what players we could have gotten in a different way.
2012 1st round draft pick is...............
Here we go now
1. Dontari Poe: Is it a reach, maybe but i think it was way overdue. Shaun Cody filled in pretty good this year but to pay a guy 2 mil to be on the field only for first two downs may not be worth it.
2. Brandon Boykin: Yea this is a shocker to most and even to me. let me say this about the guy, he is a player and a damn good one. Also can return Kicks and punts. I honestly think this guy could come in day 1 and take jackson spot.
3 Marvin McNutt: Here is where we get the wr we are looking to take jacoby spot, thats right jacoby not the next Andre.
4.Phillip Blake: I stayed with Nightowl and spacecity with this pick. I was the highest rated Center/ Guard
5.A.J. Jenkins: With our poor play or lack of Wr depth, he can come in and really compete for 4th Wr.
6. Tony Bergstrom: You get a guy who is slated to go in 3-4 rounds this late. I will take a chance on this guy.
7. Foswhitt Whittaker: Might not be ready for camp, but you know what you getting with him.
2012 1st round draft pick is...............
Here how I examine your picks
1. The drop-off from Jeffery to McNutt is much bigger than the drop-off from Poe to Chapman. I would much rather roll the dice with Jeffery & Chapman than Poe & McNutt.
2. Absolutely under no circumstances should we be drafting anyone in the secondary in the top half of the draft. Also one more thing, if he’s good enough to start, the last thing he should be doing is returning kicks. If that was the case, we wouldn’t be looking for another return man & just let Manning return kicks. No starters should be returning kickoffs or punts.
3. Again, I do not like the drop-off from Jeffery to McNutt. McNutt is not in Jeffery’s class
4. I know the how the whole Blake vs Molk discussion is going, & truthfully I see it as a coin flip with those two
5. I don’t think we’ll be taking two WRs in the draft. We all should already know by now that the competition for the #4 WR spot will be between Lestar Jean & David Anderson
6. Why not take him in the 5th instead & stick with Rainey?
7. You also know what you’re getting with Rainey. UT hasn’t been known for their HBs as of late, so I’d let him go undrafted & pick him up later. Kubiak likes himself a project QB on the cheap, & it makes sense to take one in the 7th.
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 20, 2012 11:59 PM CST up reply actions
I will have to diasgree.
Are we really looking for someone to take Andre spot in this draft? Or are we just looking for a better number 2 or 3? I think McNutt would benefit so much in this gameplan. Let get this straight i have no problem with your mock draft except with that Texas Tech player. I was just going to go back and see what other ways we could have went, and how would we be ok with it. I figured if we got Poe, that means earl micthell will move to DE to help out on that roation of watt,smith, and jamison, cause bulman will be gone. Let me say this Jackson has and will be the weak link on our D.I am just saying i will not be mad if we take boykin, dude is a player.
2012 1st round draft pick is...............
I think we are talking about beginning the
very looooong trial and error process of finding someone to replace Andre at #1 at a later date. You can’t really wait till its time, then look at the draft board then, and grab the best possible WR. You gotta start trying decent draft picks until you stumble (maybe an educated stumble) onto one that brings his own unique talents and gifts that are good enough to hopefully step into the empty space that Andre will vacate. No one can fill his shoes or replace him.
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Feb 21, 2012 7:09 PM CST up reply actions
At the very least, we should be looking for someone much better than Kevin Walter, not someone who could barely be equal to him
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 21, 2012 7:55 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Agree totally with the Prof and the Owl.
Time’s a-wastin’. We need to be looking for our next big WR threat now; it might take a few years to find him.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
by FreedomRide on Feb 22, 2012 10:03 AM CST up reply actions
You guys really think Alshon is that guy?
I think McNutt can come in and be the 2nd WR, just think we are on the brink of something good, would rather keep walter this year. Do you guys think Alshon can come in and be the #3 Wr? Now i know i am thinking way ahead but i want robert woods out of USC in next year draft, just hope he comes out.
2012 1st round draft pick is...............
Who says we have to get rid of K-Dub?
Jeffery? I’m on the fence about him and Randle in the 1st round, I guess. I’d rather trade back and take a couple of high-ceiling picks later.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
The thing is I don't think McNutt is can be any better than Walter
I don’t want someone equivalent to Walter, I want someone better. Jeffery does have that potential.
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 22, 2012 3:39 PM CST up reply actions
When you mean equivalent, you mean what?
Cause i think Mcnutt can have way more receiving yards then walter, now if we just talking about blocking then that might be something else.
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That's easy to consider when he's in a spread offense
Kubiak would spend too much of his time having to teach McNutt everything about his responsibilities in the WCO for him to be effective. Jeffery comes from a pro style offense that is pretty run heavy (mainly because Spurrier can’t get himself a QB with a blood alcohol level less than .05), plus he produced against better defenses than McNutt played against.
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"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 23, 2012 12:55 PM CST up reply actions
I want to know what y'all think about, WR Stephen Hill for 1stthe pick.
6’5
Great hands
Good speed
Good awareness
Played in west coast offense
Look good to play as 2nd WR
make scoring plays from not just red zone
Take a look and tell me what y’all think.
by obrien52289 on Feb 20, 2012 4:28 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Honestly think he is going to have a great combine and be a late 1st pick
I would love to get him with our second or trade back and get him. nothing like a 6’5 receiver with great hands and speed.
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Hill didn't play in the WCO....
IIRC, Georgia Tech still runs that triple option, no?
"Lord, beer me strength."
Yeah, GT runs the Triple Option
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"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 20, 2012 9:48 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
Disclaimer: Not a Case Homer
At 6’2 hes not big or small for a starting QB, but a lot of what people are point out about Case are what was said about Drew Brees. Am I comparing the 2, no cuz that is stupid. Case is very much a product of his school and who they play against. That does not take away from the fact that he was accurate at short and mid range, which is what the Texas use as their playing style. When they do lunch a pass 20+ yards down field its either to AJ or a wide open TE who got away from the coverage because he was lost in the wash.
So what I’m saying, if Case is there in there in the 7th, that it might be worthwhile to take a look at him. He fits what the Texans do, short to medium passes with a decent arm. Its worth letting Kubiak and the staff see what they can do with him. It’s a 7th round pick, and hes cheaper then keeping leinhart which would free up space to sign all the people we need to get back.
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yeah i for got GT runs the 3'O
But thats a complicated play book so is WCO so he’s smart and will get it sooner.
by obrien52289 on Feb 21, 2012 10:16 PM CST via mobile reply actions
The only thing good about taking a WR from a Triple Option system
Because of the run heavy nature of the offense, their blocking skills should be ahead of other WRs from most other systems & they may be sleepers because they won’t have the stats to reflect their skills
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If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 21, 2012 11:42 PM CST up reply actions
The one stat he does have is YAC
what is it like 25 yards after contact?
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