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Houston Texans Draft Primer: West Coast Wide Receiver Love

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It's no secret that your Houston Texans need to add a wide receiver or two to their receiving corps. Outside of Andre Johnson, there is no consistent playmaker, plus the group as a whole lacks young talent. However, a misconception that I have seen on message boards, comments sections, and Twitter is that the Texans need to draft Super-Fast Wide Receiver with a 4.3 40-yard dash because they need a fast deep-threat in this offense.

To those who hold this line of thought, I have one thing to say to you: Stop. You're lacking a basic understanding of what kind of offense is being run by your chosen professional football franchise.

I don’t intend for that to come off as mean-sounding, but hearing this chatter pick up is beginning to drive me up a wall because it's not adding to the draft conversation and I absolutely love the West Coast Offense. I mean, I grew up thinking that Bill Walsh was an unadulterated genius for his design, which focuses more on timing and precision than pure athletic ability. My childhood doesn't bias me beyond comprehension, as Walsh’s teachings are so good that his coaching tree has produced 13 of the last 29 Super Bowl c
hampions, plus another 11 conference champions to boot (not to mention that five of the final eight coaches from this season's playoffs are branches on the Walsh tree).

As we shift into draft season, we all need to understand what makes this offense tick in order to get an idea of who may become a Texan in April. Consider the post-jump a look at the West Coast Offense and what you need to be looking for in a wide receiver.

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At the start, I would like to define what the West Coast Offense is. This isn't a constant deep ball, score quick offense, and we don't see that on the field. At its simplest, a West Coast Offense is a ball-control offense that relies on that magical 4.0 yards per carry rushing average and a 62-70% passing completion rate to methodically move down the field, rack up first downs, and chew up the clock. This is why you’ll often hear head coach Gary Kubiak bemoaning the lack of offensive opportunity/number of plays in a loss.

It’s a scheme that relies on short-to-mid range passes that will stretch a defense horizontally as they seek to close down the open gaps in coverage. This, in theory, brings the safeties up, since the desired outcome is to force the safeties into more closely covering wide receivers, tight ends, and running backs. With the defense stretched out, this can help open holes in the running game while also making it easier for the ball-carrier to break bigger gains if they can shake a defender (since back-end safety support is weakened). Additionally, if a safety is thinking horizontally, a play-action fake can be more effective.

Due to the nature of this offense, wide receivers have to run consistently sharp and precise routes with the ability to find the soft spots in the defense. Play-design will help them create space from the defender to some degree, but separation comes from lateral quickness and the ability to make clean, quick cuts; that's more important than long-range quickness. In other words, look more at prospects' 3-cone drills instead of 40-yard dashes. Still, no athlete will have the impact of someone who understands what the offense is attempting to do and why being meticulous about route-running is so important. The West Coast Offense is a machine, with each cog needing to play its part as opposed to being filled with Randy Mosses who do what they want.

Blocking, whether it be for a running back or to help turn a six-yard pass into a 25-yard gain for a fellow wide receiver, is also important. That doesn’t necessarily mean you need a bigger receiver, but you have to find someone with the willingness to put in the work in on every single play. Work ethic is a huge part of success in the West Coast Offense. Again, you don’t want the Mosses, as freakishly physicially talented as they might be, of the world.

As far as target wide receivers go, think more Nick Toon, Mohamed Sanu, Marvin McNutt, or Marvin Jones as opposed to more unrefined route-runners like Joe Adams,T.Y. Hilton, or Alshon Jeffery (who carries a red flag in the work ethic category). If you believe you can teach route-running to someone like Adams, Hilton, or Kendall Wright, make sure said prospect comes with a film room/practice junkie/hard-worker/coachable label or else you’re simply re-running a Jacoby Jones experiment and hoping for some blind luck to lead to a different outcome.

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Should a 1st rd pick be used

on a WR that doesnt have the potential to be a WR1 at some point? I wonder if Kubiak thinks he can find that sort of player later, or trade back for him and gain some value.

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by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 2, 2012 2:43 PM CST reply actions  

I'm a believer that you always pick talent and try to pick guys who will make more of an impact in an early round.

WR2 is a starter, so I wouldn’t be bothered if they take a guy at 26 who doesn’t ever become a #1 (and won’t be making huge bucks to be forced into being a #1). That said, three of the four names I mentioned could be had in round 2, 3, and 4…which means maybe they focus on a different position at 26 (NT?) or trade down and add a NT and WR or 2 WRs in round 2….while picking up other picks.

There’s a lot of flexibility that can be utilized by the front office here.

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by TexansDC on Feb 2, 2012 2:52 PM CST up reply actions  

I think we get NT later on

I would much rather try to trade down to the second round if they think they can still get Sanu, or someone else who fits the profile there.

by BleachBum on Feb 2, 2012 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

Interior OLineman

Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!

by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 2, 2012 5:58 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

seconded

We need another guard, Caldwell is awful.

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by DaGoaT on Feb 3, 2012 8:30 AM CST up reply actions  

^agreed with tSCK

I think we address interior oline, or maybe even draft a RT prospect and kick Winston inside. I know this is not a very popular option in this blog, but I think Winston is better build to be an interior linemen and we can find a younger more mobile pass blocker for the RT position.

As far as wideout, Toon can probably be had in the 2nd, and if not him maybe Sanu. No doubt, we need to address WR#2 this draft, but I tend to agree with TexansDC, as sexy as it would be to find a speedster that can blow the top off the defense (ala Torrie Smith), I don’t think that’s what this offense needs to succeed. We basically need a better Kevin Walter, and chances are Toon and Sanu fit the bill.

Oh, and what’s up with LeStar Jean?? He looked promising last offseason.

by wiseonekms on Feb 4, 2012 6:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I think we need to draft a potential #1

Who can step in if Andre goes down again, as well as start grooming for the role later.

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by professortex on Feb 2, 2012 5:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I dream of Sanu.

I think the guy is an absolute beast and will fit perfectly into this system. He’s not afraid to go across the middle, can block and lay out defenders.. he actually looks for the big hit instead of shying away from it (reminds me of a bigger stronger Hines Ward).. has incredible hands and runs nice routes. He doesn’t have blazing speed, but like DC mentioned, it’s not necessary in this offense.
I would link one of his highlight videos, but I’m at work and can’t access YouTube.
I’m begging somebody to link the Youtube video so people can see what I mean. I think we could find a nice NT in the 2nd or 3rd round that could play well in this defense. Wade has already demonstrated he knows what he’s looking for in his defensive players via the last draft.

by TexansPride on Feb 2, 2012 2:58 PM CST reply actions  

NICK TOON.

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by MDC on Feb 2, 2012 3:29 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Great first post and endorsement!

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by Rip Jersey on Feb 2, 2012 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Welcome Kev

We have some other New Jersey/Rutgers fans who have been saying the same so you’ll fit right on in.

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by TexansDC on Feb 2, 2012 3:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Welcome!

Glad you joined the conversation. Keep those comments coming.

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by Tim on Feb 2, 2012 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

Hell,

If I didn’t know any better, I’d think you were describing Andre Johnson, and if I had to check a box next to your post it would be, “Strongly Agree”

by V1PER on Feb 2, 2012 9:05 PM CST up reply actions  

ya,

except Andre is ridiculously fast for his size. lol.

by wiseonekms on Feb 4, 2012 7:01 PM CST up reply actions  

What about Blackmon??

I think the texans should trade up to take blackmon if blackmon can slip through the cracks at about 6 7 8 I think there a great possibilty that the texans try and move up they would have have to pay julio jones type players which if I recall correctly it was 2 1st rd drafts and a 2nd round draft pick

by Allhoustonsportsfan on Feb 2, 2012 3:36 PM CST via Android app reply actions  

Blackmon has the potential

Blackmon was crazy good in okst. You have to love his size and his speed he a calvin johnson like player it would be something we really need this type of player in a texans uniform next year

by Allhoustonsportsfan on Feb 2, 2012 3:57 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

That's a pretty steep price

You could either have:
A) Blackmon
B) Sanu/whoever, next years 1st rounder, this years 2nd, plus 4th rounders this year and next, plus maybe an extra 3rd/4th this year for moving back a little

I like the work Smith has done in rounds 2-4 too much to give those picks up

by Jason Brown on Feb 2, 2012 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

well put.

And that’s the end of that conversation.

by Ryan81 on Feb 2, 2012 10:07 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Attaboy.

Rec’d.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 2, 2012 10:11 PM CST up reply actions  

no doubt

I can’t understand the argument of trading up in the 1st this year. Wade/Rick Smith have just PROVEN to the fan base that they know what they are doing in navigating through the draft to find quality first rounders and mid round picks, and people want to SACRIFICE the foundation to what has made this team great: the draft??

I just don’t get it. The idea that any ‘one specific’ player is infinitely better than a player 2 picks below him is such a misnomer, I don’t even know where to begin. Actually, I do. The year we drafted Cushing, Orakpo went 2 picks before, and I was IRATE we didnt’ get him. Cushing turns out to be BETTER, and fits our system perfectly. About 15 picks later, his buddy from USC Clay Matthews gets picked up and finishes #2 for dpoy last season, and many would argue he is better than Cush. Draft position or arbitrary “x” player is better than “y” player speculation does you no good. Depth, depth, depth that fits your system!!!!!!!!!!

by wiseonekms on Feb 4, 2012 7:05 PM CST up reply actions  

First of all that's never really been the Texans' M.O.

Second of all, I seriously question whether Blackmon slips that far down. And the last thing I want is for the Texans to mimic the Falcons and trade a ton of picks, not to mention some major appendages for one player.

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by UprootedTexan on Feb 2, 2012 4:14 PM CST up reply actions  

The good thing about this draft

This a great problem to have the texans are drafting for depth not needs but the do need somebody to help dre out im just saying it something to consider because dre is getting any younger

by Allhoustonsportsfan on Feb 2, 2012 4:27 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

You're right.

This is a rare situation the Texans are in, but I just don’t see them jumping up and paying a king’s ransom for Blackmon.

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by UprootedTexan on Feb 2, 2012 4:32 PM CST up reply actions  

yea I wouldn't trade up either

Blackmonis a good prospect but I don’t want to move up for what it would cost us. Didn’t work to well for the falcons

by Zukywich08 on Feb 2, 2012 4:36 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

^agreed w/ UT

I just don’t see the need. For all we know Toon or Sanu are better receivers in our system. No need to sacrifice draft picks for a team that just went through a season riddled with injuries. Depth is our focus, and I think we should not sacrifice draft picks to get Blackmon regardless of how good he could be.

Quite frankly, if we were going to take the “trade up” route for a wr, I would have preferred to do it for AJ Green last season.

by wiseonekms on Feb 4, 2012 7:08 PM CST up reply actions  

However, the Texans will never trade up that far for any player

They prefer to build through the draft without taking many chances. Remember, when they traded for Schaub, they did so while moving back in the draft. They will never mortgage a draft on one player because they know better

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by The Night Owl on Feb 2, 2012 4:37 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

The gamble

What im trying say is that it is out of character if smith were to do something like this but I believe that the texans need an elite player like blackmon to help dre out . when foster went out we like ok now tate going get more carries but when dre went down we were like what are we going do now. we went and got mason. I think he ended up with a catch.i believe blackmon is worth the gamble

by Allhoustonsportsfan on Feb 2, 2012 4:47 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

Hmmm

Look at it this way, Tate is a 2nd round pick – and, he isn’t considered elite. not yet, at least.

But, it’s just one of those times when the system shows itself to be the best weapon our offense has.

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by FandomEst2002 on Feb 2, 2012 10:14 PM CST up reply actions  

I want Nick Toon and Sanu.....

trade up back and then fill in spots with cheap “Roll the dice players” oh and get a NT

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by Mellowcheese on Feb 2, 2012 3:39 PM CST reply actions  

^this could be a possibility

after all we traded up in the 2nd last season to pick up Harris. And we got Reed and Harris in the 2nd.

It’d be interesting to see the Texans go Sanu and Toon in their first 2 picks.

by wiseonekms on Feb 4, 2012 7:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Rueben randall

Is a sleeper because he played pretty good with out a good quarterback I would have to agree but only if he would fall into the 3rd or 4th round

by Allhoustonsportsfan on Feb 2, 2012 3:42 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

No thanks

I don’t like the track record of LSU WRs. Its like QBs from USC, just stay away.

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by DaGoaT on Feb 3, 2012 8:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Kendall wright

Ran good routes as a senior. I watched almost every Baylor game and idk why some people think he is JUST a deep threat. He can run a slant route and take it to the house. Some people on here don’t want to take Wright just cause they think all he can do is run fast and run in a straight vertical line which isn’t true at all. I wouldn’t mind if we took Sanu at all but it’s a little ridiculous to me when people say Wright " doesn’t fit the system".

by Zukywich08 on Feb 2, 2012 4:01 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions  

That's why I didn't lump in with the other 3 not so good route-runners...

because he has shown a tendency to work and improve. That said, I haven’t see him run the full route tree so I know he has work to do in that area compared to a Sanu, Toon, or McNutt.

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by TexansDC on Feb 2, 2012 4:17 PM CST up reply actions  

fair enough

Sanu is def the better route runner and blocker but Wright is that deep threat every team needs. Opposing defense will have to make sure he doesn’t get over the top which in turn makes our running game that much better. So even if Wrights route running isn’t up too par with someone like Sanu you still have to key in on him. I believe 100% that our coaching staff could improve Wrights blocking and route running just like they did with jacoby. In the end I give wright the slight edge over Sanu but I would be fine with either

by Zukywich08 on Feb 2, 2012 4:28 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

i both agree and disagree with you

on the one hand, wright could be coached up- even he didnt run the full route tree, i have no doubt that given a year or 2 he would be able to be really good in this system.

however, and this is what kills wright for me- he may be a deep threat, but can he and is he willing to block? and when i say can he/will he, i dont mean that he wont do it- im sure he will. what i mean, is can he actually physically block someone. hes 5’10 and 190, and that could be generous. we need bigger WR for this system- and part of that is the strength that bigger WR bring. thats not a knock on wright at all- but you put a WR his size against a CB his size, i dont think that will fare well- CB his size tend to be quite strong (JJO- Dunta, for all the hate we have for him)- they make a living out of being able to out strength their counterparts play in and play out. wright may end up being a damn good receiver in this system, but his size is a huge worry for me. id much rather take sanu/toon. they have EVERYTHING the texans look for in a WR- precise routes, great hands, big bodies, good body control, and willing and able blockers. i think sanu, under AJ, could turn into a #1 receiver when its all said and done. he may not be a burner like wright, but he can get great separation and plays much faster than his 40 time- and in the NFL your playing speed is much more important than your straight line 40 time- just ask trindon holliday.

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by grandmasteroz on Feb 2, 2012 9:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I still want Kendall Wright because I think he will be a transcendent player in the NFL.

By that I mean you can plug him into any offense regardless of scheme and it will be better. The Texans lack a game changing play maker on offense and this could be the guy.

Note that I am not advocating that the offense be changed to feature him. I want him to do what the WCO demands of a WR and break big YAC plays off of that. He would be a huge problem for Texans opponents that they currently do not face from our receiving corps: a consistent threat to break one all the way.

It may be moot, of course, as he is liable to go as high as the second 10. I would not advocate trading away what it would take to move up that much, but if he falls past 20, I’d give our 1 and 3 to get him.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 2, 2012 4:12 PM CST reply actions  

“…lack a game changing play maker on offense at WR…”

And no, ‘Dre isn’t that anymore.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 2, 2012 4:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Not sure I agree

that AJ is not a game changer anymore. If he can stay healthy, he is a game changer. If he can’t stay healthy, then the Texans need to be looking to replace him anyhow. Next year will tell the tale on wether or not he is still a game changer. Year before last he changed that Redskins game.

by McAggie on Feb 2, 2012 9:19 PM CST up reply actions  

…If he can stay healthy…

Aye, there’s the rub.

Even when he was healthy, did you feel he was a constant threat to go all the way in 2011? I didn’t.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 2, 2012 9:35 PM CST up reply actions  

I would argue that

if he demands double coverage, that in itself is a game changer. Even in the few games that he was back, he drew double coverage. That makes a play somewhere.

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by professortex on Feb 3, 2012 9:07 AM CST up reply actions  

but I will say that Jacoby's inconsistencey

may negate the effectiveness of Andre’s ability to draw double coverage.

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by professortex on Feb 3, 2012 9:10 AM CST up reply actions  

It depends on your definition, I suppose.

I’m talking about a guy who’s always a threat to get a sudden 6 points from anywhere on the field. Arian Foster, for example.

I still love Andre: I still think he’s tremendously important to the offense. I just don’t think he’s the electric threat he used to be. I hope he proves me wrong this year.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 3, 2012 9:37 AM CST up reply actions  

I get ya

he is no threat if he isn’t on the field.

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by professortex on Feb 3, 2012 9:46 AM CST up reply actions  

And this is important too

cause if D-backs on other teams smell blood in the water, they’ll be gunning for him

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by professortex on Feb 3, 2012 9:48 AM CST up reply actions  

dre may not be the deep threat that we all crave

but to say he isnt a game changer?

against cincy- 5 catches, 90 yds and 1 TD
against Bal- 8 catches, 118 yds and 0 TD

we may have lost against BAL, but if it wasnt for AJ we wouldnt have been as close as we were. you dont have to be a deep threat to be a game changer. a deep threat, he may not be what he once was. but hes still a game changer for sure.

on another note, we all knew AJ would be a beast when he got into the playoffs. 2 games, 12 catches and 208 yards and a TD- thats damn fine numbers for his first year in the playoffs :)

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by grandmasteroz on Feb 2, 2012 9:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Nah, he's not.

Productive? Yes. A guy who’s always a threat to make an electric play to change a game? No.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 2, 2012 10:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Regardless

A defense still has to account for him. And, isn’t that enough? Especially when we’ve got Barian Fostate, OD, Dreessen, and Casey?

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by FandomEst2002 on Feb 2, 2012 10:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I think youre letting this past season affect your judgement too much

Dre missed more games last season than ever in his career so far in a single season. Try to think back to ’10 when he was dealing with a different yet almost equally nagging injury (high ankle sprain) and was a definite playmaker. He single handedly won both the KC and Washington games and helped keep us alive in a number of others with huge GAMECHANGING plays down field, despite being the “Hey watch #80!!” player on the field.

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by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 3, 2012 7:29 AM CST up reply actions  

Hope you're right,

but at no time this season did he seem to have the “pop” of the old Andre. May he prove me totally FOS in 2012.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 3, 2012 7:55 AM CST up reply actions  

That's because his hamstring "popped"

After that injury he was never fully healthy. And he had Yates throwing to him. He’s still one of the best WRs in the game. Your letting one injury riddled season cloud your judgement. He’s going to start to decline, though I don’t think it will be for another 2 years or so.

by TexansPride on Feb 3, 2012 8:32 AM CST up reply actions  

I actually agree with this

I love Andre but he isn’t in his prime anymore. He is on the downside of his career which makes us need that electric playmaker even more. This is where Sanu or Wright come into the equation. Mainly talking about Wright cause I think he could be great in this offense

by Zukywich08 on Feb 3, 2012 9:51 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Andre's still in his prime, you guys.

He’s only 30….prime years are about 27, 28 to 32, 33.

He had some hamstring issues, but he’s definitely not on the downside or on the way out. Let him get healthy before we start writing the obituary.

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by TexansDC on Feb 3, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions  

I think it's different with WRs

Not saying he isn’t good anymore just not as good as he use to be which is still better than most in the league.

by Zukywich08 on Feb 3, 2012 10:33 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

It's getting difficult for me to believe we'll get another big, full season from him.

Looking back on his career, we see a lot more than just a couple of hamstring pulls: three of his last five seasons have been reduced by injuries. Should we expect he will be less injury-prone in years to come?

I hope you’re right, that he’s still in his prime and it’s just been a run of bad luck, but I’ll argue that the team has to deal with the known situation and start looking for his successor.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 3, 2012 12:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Again though....

as this article started out explaining; the WCO does not need nor really want someone that make “electric” plays. Can the WR block effectively? Can he run good routes and can he catch what is thrown to him? That right there makes as much of a game changer as what you are describing.

We need a first down you know it is either going to AJ or Walters, in desperation mode it goes to AJ and 90% of the time the opposing team knows it and STILL can’t stop it. Our offense is not built nor wants to be a quick strike. As the article stated, our offense is predicated on marching down the field and chewing up the clock.

Just my $.02
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by txknight on Feb 3, 2012 10:53 PM CST up reply actions  

the WCO does not need nor really want someone that make "electric" plays

Really!?

I’d like to hear Koob’s opinion on that.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 4, 2012 6:56 AM CST up reply actions  

I think the argument is:

that game control is the gameplan, but we need someone who CAN threaten deep. we may not use them that way, but the idea is that the other team has to account for a possible deep ball. The only way we can make them account for it, is to throw one every now and then. so, we have to have someone who can get free deep. My opinion is right now Andre does the job just fine, if he is in the game. But if he goes down again, then Freedom’s argument is very applicable. I think freedom is sayin that AJ is more susceptable to injury now than he used to be.

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by professortex on Feb 4, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

His 40-yard dash...

Will make him rise. He’s going to have that kind of performance at the Combine.

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by TexansDC on Feb 2, 2012 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

I fear you are right. I think he'll go high and be an All-Pro for another team.

But I endorse the FO philosophy of staying away from monster draft deals—leave those to Skeletor. I’ll just have to weep bitter tears as he’s taken away from us.

God forbid he winds up in the AFCS.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 2, 2012 4:24 PM CST up reply actions  

No way to sanu

Especially at 26!!! That’s crazy unless he runs well at the combine which I wouldn’t bet on

If he was still there in the early third you could trade up for him if you really loved the guy

If floyd fell to 26, he has #1 potential so you’d have to take him

A guy like criner or streeter have more upside than sanu IMO and you can get those guys in the third or fourth round. Better value.

We really have to see them all run because a couple of guys will surprise and disappoint big time

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by AllenOU on Feb 2, 2012 4:17 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

Not that you mean run to only mean 40-yard dash, but I definitely dislike the 40-yard dash portion of running.

No NFL player ever runs in a straight line in shirts and shorts on the field. Measure the 10-yard dash for acceleration…use the 3-cone for change of direction, but I think the 40’s such a crock.

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by TexansDC on Feb 2, 2012 4:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I want to see all of it.

I hope he does well but the eye test says otherwise. Not like I’m an expert. Just a guess.

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by AllenOU on Feb 2, 2012 4:27 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Sanu is also not a very good route runner

Stiff in the hips makes changing direction difficult for him. I think he will have a hard time getting separation in the NFL. In college he relied on his size and long stride to separate. That’s the big issue with him.

I must admit I’m not a big fan and people saying he looks like dre because of a highlight video is beyond dumb. Not trying to offend anyone just being honest

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by AllenOU on Feb 2, 2012 4:34 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

not sure where you say hes not a good route runner

every scouting report ive seen says thats one of his biggest strengths. stiff hips can be a problem for sure, but route running is about much more than having good hips and speed. he has other attributes, including being able to use his size/strength, and his ability to cut quickly to mask having stiff hips. kevin walter may not be the fastest guy in the league, and he has stiff hips, but hes a damn good route runner. hes intelligent- and thats where i think Sanu has the biggest edge. intelligence can make the difference in route running. its why i also think if coached, wright can become a great route runner- i just dont think hes there yet.

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by grandmasteroz on Feb 2, 2012 9:57 PM CST up reply actions  

you are misinformed IMO

I dont care what scouts say.

Ive watched some of his GAME footage, not just highlight videos.

he CAN make plays for sure. BUT.. he relies on his big body and running away from people because he is a long strider.

He certainly doesnt have the ability to “cut quickly” not even close

it also took walter years to become a good route runner.

im not taking a project at #26

There are better options available. You cant go off what ESPN and other scouts say IMO, not that you are. not trying to offend.

Try to find some rutgers game tape online and watch more than just his highlights

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by AllenOU on Feb 3, 2012 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

I'd like to see statistics on what sort of success predictor a fast 40 is for WRs and CBs.

Not much of one would be my guess.

Now, a really slow 40 probably means you ain’t playing CB, but the difference between a 4.50 and a 4.60 is probably not as significant as a lot of other factors, ISTM.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 2, 2012 4:30 PM CST up reply actions  

And that's something we even see with Trindon Holliday

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by TexansDC on Feb 2, 2012 4:34 PM CST up reply actions  

It's not the 40 time

It’s the fact he can’t really on using only his big body and long strides to separate. He doesnt have the explosiveness in changing direction and cutting. That’s crucial. Walter isn’t fast, but for a white guy he makes impressive cuts and direction changes to get open

Quick not fast

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by AllenOU on Feb 2, 2012 4:37 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

das raycess

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by NoSafetiesNeeded on Feb 2, 2012 5:42 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Sanu won't get out of the second

With a good combine he might not even get out of the first

by Zukywich08 on Feb 2, 2012 4:30 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Hell, I just hope he makes it to 26.

I don’t think that’s a sure thing at all.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 2, 2012 4:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Those videos of Sanu remind me a bit of AJ

The kind of guy that loves to hit people but who has freakishly good hands. Likely not as fast as AJ, can’t really tell how he runs routes either, but I’d be quite pleased if we landed him at #26.

However, I could EASILY see a team like the Niners trading up a few spots to get him ahead of us, and that’s assuming he were to even fall to #26. I’d like to see a list of teams that have either a first-round or second-round need at WR to know who we’re drafting against.

by La Voz on Feb 2, 2012 4:25 PM CST reply actions  

Sanu is also not a very good route runner

Stiff in the hips makes changing direction difficult for him. I think he will have a hard time getting separation in the NFL. In college he relied on his size and long stride to separate. That’s the big issue with him.
I must admit I’m not a big fan and people saying he looks like dre because of a highlight video is beyond dumb. Not trying to offend anyone just being honest

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by AllenOU on Feb 2, 2012 4:35 PM CST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

How do you manage to AllenOU'd replying to two different people?

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by The Night Owl on Feb 2, 2012 4:41 PM CST via Android app up reply actions   2 recs

Watching Sanu drop his head to make a hit after the catch does NOT remind you a bit of AJ?

That, combined with his willingness (and talent) to block and exceptional hands, is indeed a bit reminiscent of AJ. Saying otherwise is beyond dumb. Not trying to offend anyone just being honest.

;-)

by La Voz on Feb 2, 2012 5:13 PM CST up reply actions  

No

Nothing sanu does reminds me of anything Andre does. At all. Ever

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by AllenOU on Feb 2, 2012 5:21 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Did he kick your puppy?

It’s ok, you can tell us.

by La Voz on Feb 3, 2012 12:24 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

hahaha no

comparing any college player to dre in any way i just cant endorse.

Ill slightly give you the physical aspect though ;-0

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by AllenOU on Feb 3, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

I see stuff like this:

Route running: Quick burst off the line of scrimmage perhaps masking a lack of elite straight-line speed. Has enough speed to challenge vertically. Throttles down quickly, sinks his hips and has good burst left and right to generate separation on underneath routes. Used from a variety of positions, lining up inside in the slot, outside and put in motion. Courageous over the middle, often pulling away on drag routes and quick posts.
-CBS

But then I see stuff like this:

Route Running: Considering Sanu is equipped with long sprinter legs, route running does not come naturally. He struggles to break down and drop his hips in and out of his cuts. His tight hips make change of direction a difficult process at times and he often lacks separation because of it. Relies much more on pure body size and long strides to gain last-second separation.
-NFL Draft Monsters

Hard to believe they’re talking about the same guy.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 2, 2012 5:30 PM CST up reply actions  

Just watching him

NOT FUCKING HIGHLIGHT VIDEOS. Those are less the worthless.

Watching him In a game, he doesn’t NOT have even good lateral quickness much less elite. Maybe he doesn’t need to show it off as much in college and it’s there??? I don’t think so.

I could care less what any scout says. I watch myself and make judgements from that.

And yes I’m wrong a lot. Feel pretty good about this one

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by AllenOU on Feb 2, 2012 5:49 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Enough to repeat that stance often??

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by The Night Owl on Feb 2, 2012 9:40 PM CST up reply actions  

65/45 lol

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by AllenOU on Feb 3, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Out of curiosity then, who do you want?

Sanu seems like the best and safest option at WR in the 1st round.

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by krkenney on Feb 3, 2012 1:57 PM CST up reply actions  

so nobody is down with going

Alshon if he falls to us?

by Zukywich08 on Feb 2, 2012 4:53 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions  

No Alshon

I would hate to take Alshon the guy was kicked off of S.C the only reason he stayed on is cause Spurrier knows the kid has talent but poor attitude and can be lazy at times I would hate to have a guy full of potential but can"t make the field because doesnt wanna spend time in the film room or keep in shape in the off season

by Allhoustonsportsfan on Feb 2, 2012 5:01 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

I never heard him getting kicked off of S.C.

What if he comes to combine and has dropped some pounds and looks fit?

by Zukywich08 on Feb 2, 2012 5:05 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Just the fact that he couldn't stay in shape during the offseason/season

is a huge red flag.

He can show up fit in the combine, then what? He has the potential to stop giving a damn after he gets drafted. Major no-no for me

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by FandomEst2002 on Feb 2, 2012 10:37 PM CST up reply actions  

no

no no no no no no 1000 times over.

the guy has huge bust written all over him. id rather him go to another team and be all-pro than him go to us and be a huge bust. hes a high risk/high reward kind of guy. and i dont think the FO has ever went after a guy like that. if theres one thing we know, its that the FO knows what they are getting when they take a player. and i dont think that will change.

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by grandmasteroz on Feb 2, 2012 9:59 PM CST up reply actions  

He's a born Chokeboy

…or Raider.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 2, 2012 10:06 PM CST up reply actions  

I have been buying the Alshon "character worries" story (see above),

but upon looking into it, I don’t find much besides pictures that make him look fat.
There’s pro and con out there. I found this and this and this, but nothing that convinces me he has character problems.

I also found nothing that would make me confident in taking him #1—or Floyd either, for that matter. If Sanu and Wright are gone, I’d be in favor of trading back or drafting another position with that pick.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 3, 2012 7:09 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree

The only thing negative I have been able to find on Alshon is his work ethic issue. That’s a big problem if it’s true but I’m not gonna believe it on a picture alone

by Zukywich08 on Feb 3, 2012 9:47 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Dez Bryant was taken 22nd overall.

I would be very happy if we get someone his talent.

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by steelblue on Feb 2, 2012 5:01 PM CST reply actions  

was taken 24th overall

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by steelblue on Feb 2, 2012 5:01 PM CST up reply actions  

was he not left that late because of character though?

and therefore a WR with the same talent but better intangibles would be unlikely to fall that far…. and the Texans would be unlikely to take someone with that amount of talent but documented character flaws even late in the 1st

by EnglishTexan on Feb 2, 2012 5:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Yup. Not Texan material.

No drama queens, please.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 2, 2012 5:34 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice explanation of the WCO

I do tend to disagree with one point. A track star can work out really well in the WCO. Seems some guy named Jerry Rice did quite nicely in the system.

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by Barryfromtexas on Feb 2, 2012 5:02 PM CST reply actions  

Eh?

I don’t recall that Rice was a track star—or all that fast, for that matter.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 2, 2012 5:38 PM CST up reply actions  

4.7 40

Good 3 cone though.

Guy was just insane football smart

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by AllenOU on Feb 2, 2012 5:53 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Very much this

Rice’s route-running was masterful, work ethic impeccable, and WCO-knowledge unquestionable.

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by TexansDC on Feb 2, 2012 8:54 PM CST up reply actions  

Holy shit

A 4.7 40? Wow.

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by FandomEst2002 on Feb 2, 2012 10:39 PM CST up reply actions  

that was his FASTEST lol

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by AllenOU on Feb 3, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

Well if we are looking at 3 cone drill times..

Then I believe we already have the prospect with the fastest 3 cone time at the combine ever. Jeff Maehl set the record last year if I’m not mistaken?

by Slightly Obsessed on Feb 2, 2012 5:05 PM CST reply actions  

Team usually carries 5 WRs

He’ll have an offseason to learn and challenge for a spot on the roster….cause there’s really only one spot that’s locked up given the showing this WR corps had last year.

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by TexansDC on Feb 2, 2012 8:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I had high hopes for Maehl because of that.

He must not have been that impressive in camp, though.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 2, 2012 9:01 PM CST up reply actions  

It was harder for undrafted rookies this offseason

No mini camp, abbreviated training camp…

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by TexansDC on Feb 2, 2012 9:19 PM CST up reply actions  

But they brought in Bryant Johnson and Derrick Mason instead of him.

I know: Konserviak, but still…

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by FreedomRide on Feb 2, 2012 9:44 PM CST up reply actions  

But if they bring a player up off of PS....

then want to drop him back down, doesn’t he have to clear waivers again? If that is the case, maybe he did show something in training camp but was just not polished enough and Kubiak wanted to keep him under wraps on the PS until they can get him coached up.

Just my $.02
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by txknight on Feb 3, 2012 11:01 PM CST up reply actions  

Maehl had already cleared waivers once. It's not like the league was waiting for a chance to grab him.

And if they brought him up and decided to drop him again, wouldn’t it mean they didn’t think much of him anyway?

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by FreedomRide on Feb 4, 2012 6:47 AM CST up reply actions  

Kendall Wright

I hope somebody drafts Kendall Wright before the texans pick so that we dont have to hear all the backlash they will recieve if they dont take him

by Allhoustonsportsfan on Feb 2, 2012 5:08 PM CST via Android app reply actions  

Mocking the Draft

Their newest 5 round mock, has Houston picking up Tommy Streeter in the second round, from the U. He has good size, and had a productive year. Any thoughts on this guy?

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by WreckNTexan on Feb 2, 2012 5:15 PM CST reply actions  

he is good but I don't like us picking

Him up in the second. He is more of a 3rd-4th round guy

by Zukywich08 on Feb 2, 2012 5:18 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Here is a link

And the 5 picks they have for us

MTD
1. Stephon Gilmore – CB
2. Tommy Streeter – WR
3. Josh Chapmen – NT
4.Lonnie Edwards – OG
5.Delano Howell – S

I don’t like picking the CB in the first, I believe that should be addressed in FA

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by WreckNTexan on Feb 2, 2012 5:22 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't like that draft at all lol

Only pick I like is chapman in the 3rd

by Zukywich08 on Feb 2, 2012 5:23 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

A corner? With our first pick?

Are they nuts?

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by UprootedTexan on Feb 2, 2012 5:44 PM CST up reply actions  

waste of a 1st rd draft

we have a shutdown corner and 2 developing CBs (I know: arguable). Even a 1st rd CB is a crap shoot in the NFL.. If they think we need another CB, then it is better to get a proven one in FA.

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by professortex on Feb 2, 2012 6:21 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I went off on that one there

I said taking Devon Still in the first then Juron Criner in the 3rd while leaving the rest of the picks alone would be better for the Texans

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by The Night Owl on Feb 2, 2012 9:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Gag me.

Chapman’s the only one I like.

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by TexansDC on Feb 2, 2012 8:56 PM CST up reply actions  

What horseshit.

CB #1?

Nonsense.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 2, 2012 9:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Don't agree with much of this

Corner will be addressed (it always is), but not in the first.

I’d flip flop Streeter and Chapman.

Edwards = horrible fit for ZBS, IMO

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by JayRedd on Feb 2, 2012 9:30 PM CST up reply actions  

After the combine he could easily go 2nd round

Is big and could run 4.38 – 4.43 and be top 5 in the three cone. Way more athletic than sanu

I’d take Ruben randle before sanu

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by AllenOU on Feb 2, 2012 5:24 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I think there's more than 10

Only takes one team

Everyone loves size/speed combo

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by AllenOU on Feb 2, 2012 5:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

that's why I said "at least 10"

How tall is streeter anyways?

by Zukywich08 on Feb 2, 2012 8:39 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

6-2 to 6-3

215 lbs running that fast

he will be over drafted

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by AllenOU on Feb 3, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions  

I see him going mid to late 2nd round

He’ll jump up draft boards after the combine

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by The Night Owl on Feb 3, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm actually becoming more of a fan of going BPA in the first

and picking up a WR in Round 2, 3, or 4. Personally, I like McNutt and Joe Adams (though maybe not Adams, if he’s as unrefined at route running as you say).

by jwtheman on Feb 2, 2012 5:30 PM CST reply actions  

No one wants blackmon??

So now that nobody willing to trade up for Blackmon. Who would you rather take Toon or Criner??

by Allhoustonsportsfan on Feb 2, 2012 5:31 PM CST via Android app reply actions  

that's a tough one but I'll take criner

Just cause of toons injury history

by Zukywich08 on Feb 2, 2012 5:38 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Should we trade down

Should we trade down to take criner or toon??

by Allhoustonsportsfan on Feb 2, 2012 5:41 PM CST via Android app up reply actions  

I think you have a group of WRs

That they like.

They hope that one falls to them in the respective round. Won’t lock in on one guy because there is TONS of 2-4 round talent. TONS

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by AllenOU on Feb 2, 2012 5:59 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Rick Smith special

Name some targets…if multiple targets are there then trade back and hope one makes it to you.

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by TexansDC on Feb 2, 2012 8:58 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

^^this^^

Just my $.02
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by txknight on Feb 3, 2012 11:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Nah, Just take Sanu in the 1st, a NT in the 2nd, then Criner in the 3rd

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by The Night Owl on Feb 2, 2012 9:45 PM CST up reply actions  

No

Sanu @ 26 is 40 spots too high

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by AllenOU on Feb 2, 2012 10:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

then

Sanu in the Second?

If Poe makes it to us at 1, and Sanu is available at 2, what do you think?

TJ must throw 30 times for us to win.

by texanphil on Feb 4, 2012 10:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Some are saying tha Poe don't fit our needs

But I like him. Plus, think of all the great monikers you can give him. “Dragon warrior” or “kung Fu Panda”….Antonio Smith would have a blast with that.

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by professortex on Feb 4, 2012 11:13 AM CST up reply actions  

duane brown is already kung fu panda

poe would have to be dragon warrior. but he better play like one

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by NoSafetiesNeeded on Feb 4, 2012 12:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Seeing the Falcons do that and fail miserably

Gives reason for people to not want that.

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by TexansDC on Feb 2, 2012 8:57 PM CST up reply actions  

'Zackly.

No Skeletor moves, please.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 2, 2012 9:07 PM CST up reply actions  

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/20177253

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by steelblue on Feb 2, 2012 5:44 PM CST reply actions  

What if we trade

How this sound we trade our 1st for a 2nd and a 3rd we take toon and criner in the second and get the best NT

by Allhoustonsportsfan on Feb 2, 2012 5:47 PM CST via Android app reply actions  

That's a lot more likely than trading up, IMO.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 2, 2012 6:38 PM CST up reply actions  

Depends on whats on the board when it gets close to our turn

but I don’t have a problem with it provided all the top O-linemen (DeCastro/Kalil, et al.) and NT’s (Ta’amu/Poe) are gone. We might even consider taking a center.

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by professortex on Feb 3, 2012 9:41 AM CST up reply actions  

after watching some tape of Ta'amu and Poe

I wouldnt take either one of those, even if they were available in the 3rd. I don’t think the Texans will either. I don’t think either one is quick enough for what Wade is looking for. Some of the guys projected to go later in the draft may actually be better fits for the Texans, like Derek Wolfe, TJ Barnes, or maybe take a long-shot project like Hebron Fangupo

by BleachBum on Feb 3, 2012 5:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Ya, I'm not big on getting an NT anyway

I’d prefer an O lineman, but a lot of the guys were talking about them, so I mentioned them. My point was that we could do well by trading down, but only if there wasn’t some exceptional player to fill a need still on the board

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by professortex on Feb 3, 2012 7:30 PM CST up reply actions  

That's when you know it's time to stop drinking

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by Foster Child on Feb 4, 2012 7:11 PM CST up reply actions  

He knows Kubiak too well

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by The Night Owl on Feb 2, 2012 10:23 PM CST up reply actions  

McShay?

He was driving the Blaine Gabbert bandwagon last year.

Grain of salt, is all I’m sayin’.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 3, 2012 7:21 AM CST up reply actions  

Did the passengers on the Blaine Gabbert bandwagon

scream out “Whoa there, motherfucker” every time he approaced a stop sign?

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by Foster Child on Feb 4, 2012 7:13 PM CST up reply actions  

If they did, it was too late for the Glitter Kitties...

they DRAFTED HIM!

BWAW-HAW-HAW-HAW-HAW!

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by FreedomRide on Feb 4, 2012 7:42 PM CST up reply actions  

I was all for taking Fleener

But now that I look at it I don’t want to anymore unless he somehow falls to the third which is highly unlikely. I would consider taking him in the second depending on who is left on the board

by Zukywich08 on Feb 3, 2012 9:54 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

I would enjoy that pick

then toon in the second. best NT available round 3. Tank Carder round 4 then BPAx3

by BC5 on Feb 3, 2012 7:07 PM CST up reply actions  

She's tall. Hmmm...

Do the Texans have a breeding program?

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by FreedomRide on Feb 3, 2012 7:27 AM CST up reply actions  

She's from Wisconsin

It must be something in the cheese

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by The Night Owl on Feb 3, 2012 12:26 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm thinking arranged marriage here.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 3, 2012 12:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah but how much is heels?

Just my $.02
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by txknight on Feb 3, 2012 11:06 PM CST up reply actions  

holy crap

she’s pretty damn tall.

by wiseonekms on Feb 4, 2012 7:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Someone needs to come up with a good caption for this pic

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Now get to work!

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by Foster Child on Feb 4, 2012 7:17 PM CST up reply actions  

"Ya know, darlin', every one of our kids could be 1st-round picks."

“Maybe. Right now, I just want to see your bull rush.”

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by FreedomRide on Feb 4, 2012 7:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Not to be mean-sounding

But dont dont type douche-like statements that insults the readers.. Downgrades the quality of the article imo

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by HB23 on Feb 3, 2012 6:36 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

what is douche-like about it?

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by DaGoaT on Feb 3, 2012 8:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Probably the part where I say those remarks I've seen about needing Super-Fast WR for the offense should stop because those people don't understand the offense

I never called out BRBers, since it’s not really coming from them, but I get why some wouldn’t like it.

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by TexansDC on Feb 3, 2012 8:48 AM CST up reply actions  

If calling people out for not knowing their team is douche-like

I guess I’m a sandy vagina.

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by DaGoaT on Feb 3, 2012 11:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Wasn't she the weather gal on Fox?

Or was that Tawny Beavér?

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by FreedomRide on Feb 3, 2012 12:16 PM CST up reply actions  

Jeff Fuller is in freefall....

His stock keeps plummeting.

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by TexansDC on Feb 3, 2012 9:08 AM CST up reply actions  

pass on fuller

Wouldn’t mind streeter as long as it was in the 4th

by Zukywich08 on Feb 3, 2012 9:56 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

No to fuller.

I wonder where marvin mcnutt ends up?

2012 1st round draft pick is...............

by southpaw70 on Feb 3, 2012 10:07 AM CST up reply actions  

ryan broyles, while only 5-11, 190 lbs

is ten times the reciever that fuller ever was.

we need a slot guy and PR, and someone who catched everything. thats broyles.

prob wont be 100% by week one but by week 4-6 he should be

perfect fit for our O

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by AllenOU on Feb 3, 2012 10:22 AM CST up reply actions  

...

Injured players are the perfect fit for our O.

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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 3, 2012 10:26 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

thats all you got, really

YYYYAAAWWWWWNNNNNNNNNN

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by AllenOU on Feb 3, 2012 10:57 AM CST up reply actions  

Would be pretty happy

With a trade back from 26 to pick up extra picks….Toon with 1 2nd round pick, someone else in round 2 at 26, Broyles in round 3 or 4.

Talk about improved WR Corps….Johnson, Toon, Broyles, restructured Walter, and Maehl.

/complete dream
//won’t happen
///damn you

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by TexansDC on Feb 3, 2012 10:31 AM CST up reply actions  

You left out Lestar Jean.

Don’t forget the Man They Couldn’t Cover in Training Camp!

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by FreedomRide on Feb 3, 2012 12:23 PM CST up reply actions  

This is what i would be worried about for broyles.

We dont know what kind of player he will be when he gets back. I tell you what if he falls to 5th or even 6th then i would jump on it. Our first 4 picks need to be able to contribute some way somehow.

2012 1st round draft pick is...............

by southpaw70 on Feb 3, 2012 10:41 AM CST up reply actions  

Rick Smith trends

Round 1: Starter
Round 2: Rotation
Round 3: High potential/athletic
Round 4: Needed depth position/Special Teams contributor
Round 5: Needed depth position/Special Teams contributor
Round 6: Project Player
Round 7: Best Available

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by TexansDC on Feb 3, 2012 10:44 AM CST up reply actions  

it was a clean ACL tear

its no that big of a deal

not as serious as welkers was, and he came back stronger and pretty fast time wise.

broyles is already running!!!!!

he wasnt ever a 4.3 guy anyway, so saying you dont know what kind of player he will be when he gets back i dont quite understand.

Our first game will be 10 1/2 months since his injury

you get early 2nd round talent, and GREAT CHARACTER, in the late third early fourth

no brainer if you ask me.

AND he returns punts!!!!!!

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by AllenOU on Feb 3, 2012 11:00 AM CST up reply actions  

what i am saying is you dont know where his mind is after a surgey like this.

Will he still go all out like we seen him do at college level? I mean we will not know cause we cannot talk to him 1on1, but the coaches and scouts can. I know he was a fast guy before but he was quick if that makes sense. Let me put it this way would you rather have joe adams who is ready to go right now or broyles who we have to wait on? With that said that means jacoby will not be going nowhere if we have to wait for broyles.

2012 1st round draft pick is...............

by southpaw70 on Feb 3, 2012 11:05 AM CST up reply actions  

follow him on twitter

most motivated guy Ive seen. just got engaged and wants to have kids. his finacee is HOT HOT HOT.

this is the type of guy i want, regardless of what his name is or where he went to school

if it was the same pick, Id still rather have broyles. he is a football player, always gives 100%

adams is good, but think he will go too high

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by AllenOU on Feb 3, 2012 11:21 AM CST up reply actions  

well i will now thanks.

2012 1st round draft pick is...............

by southpaw70 on Feb 3, 2012 11:25 AM CST up reply actions  

just checked him out on twitter.

Just want to say i am wrong and you are right about the guy. I just had no idea how he was recovering and all.

2012 1st round draft pick is...............

by southpaw70 on Feb 3, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions  

what potential is there

guy is slow, cant seperate, and has a bad attitude from what Im hearing/reading.

If he didnt go to ATM no one would be talking about him

thats a waste of a 6th round pick

only way i bring him to camp is if he is undrafted

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by AllenOU on Feb 3, 2012 11:02 AM CST up reply actions  

maybe we can trade for another Mr Irrelvant pick this year just to get him.

Never mind Kubes would not do that to a aTm player.

2012 1st round draft pick is...............

by southpaw70 on Feb 3, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

I literally can't remember another prospect...

Who went from Top-20 pick to 5th round if he’s lucky in 1 season. Wow.

"Lord, beer me strength."

by TexansDC on Feb 3, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

he had the knee issue though is why

fuller is healthy

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by AllenOU on Feb 3, 2012 11:21 AM CST up reply actions  

True

but still from #1 overall to 2nd round.

2012 1st round draft pick is...............

by southpaw70 on Feb 3, 2012 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

no doubt

but that wasnt due to talent and work ethic

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by AllenOU on Feb 3, 2012 11:36 AM CST up reply actions  

Look at some of the earlt Mock Drafts regarding Brian Brohm

after his Junior year, some said he could have challenged for the #1 overall pick. Alot of people don’t remember that he was MVP of the Orange Bowl and led Louisville to a 12-1 record. He went back to school and STUNK IT UP. He ended up a late 2nd round pick (56th) and was last employed by something called the Las Vegas Locomotives, BACKING UP Chase Clement from Rice…

"...you may all got hell, and I will go to Texas!"
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by Drill Sarge on Feb 3, 2012 6:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Thanks for the reminder.

Brohm is a good lesson to remind us that bright stars from lesser schools are real long shot bets who seldom pay off.

"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus

by FreedomRide on Feb 3, 2012 6:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't necessarily think Louisville is a lesser school

They’ve had some pretty good players recently (Elvis Dumervil, Deion Branch, Michael Bush, Amobi Okoye). I think the more you play, the more you are going to show who you really are. Andrew Luck went back and exposed who he really was…a great player. Mark Sanchez was a starter for only one season and struck when the iron was hot. Who was he really? The Jets are finding that out right now.

"...you may all got hell, and I will go to Texas!"
-Davey Crockett

by Drill Sarge on Feb 3, 2012 6:58 PM CST up reply actions  

sorry for the strikes

I meant to strike out Amobi’s name. we need an edit button…

"...you may all got hell, and I will go to Texas!"
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by Drill Sarge on Feb 3, 2012 6:59 PM CST up reply actions  

But Louisville is a lesser school.

Players from such programs have played lesser competition and have more to prove.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 3, 2012 7:02 PM CST up reply actions  

The Big East is definitely not the SEC, but they do produce some good talent.

They’ve got some of top players in the league right now

Lasean McCoy-Pitt
Darrell Revis-Pitt
Larry Fitzgerald-Pitt
Clint Sessions- Pitt
Andy Lee-Pitt
Jabaal Sheard-Pitt
Dwight Freeny-Syracuse
Jason Pierre-Paul-South Florida
Ray Rice- Rutgers
Kenny Britt- Rutgers
Gary Brackett- Rutgers
Anthony Davis-Rutgers
Connor Barwin- Cincinnati
Trent Cole-Cincinatti

And to be fair, most of the top players from Miami (Andre, Ed Reed, Wilfork, Reggie Wayne, Ray Lewis, etc.) played when Miami was still in the Big East. The Michael Vick Hokies were also Big East. The league is transforming, and probably wont’ be as good in the future, but over the last 10 years, there has been a lot of pro talent coming out of the Big East. There is talent there, but most of those schools are known for the Baskeball, so they kinda get overshadowed…

"...you may all got hell, and I will go to Texas!"
-Davey Crockett

by Drill Sarge on Feb 3, 2012 7:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Not saying good players don't come from the BE,

but the talent is thinner there than in the SEC, for example, so the competition isn’t as tough week-to-week.. I would argue Miami has been a special case.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 4, 2012 6:54 AM CST up reply actions  

The league is transforming, and probably wont’ be as good in the future

Hey now, the Coogs are about to blow the place up.

NFL pipeline. Book it.

TJ must throw 30 times for us to win.

by texanphil on Feb 4, 2012 10:14 AM CST up reply actions  

The guy had a helluva junior season, and had a nagging hammy injury most of the year.

Look at his past and you see the potential. Just because he had a bad senior year, despite whatever excuses are plugged in, the reality of the issue is that he WAS a very high prospect until this past year.

His stock has dropped. Tremendously. But why was he “rated” so high coming into this year, and then drop all of the sudden? His talents did not simply fade over the span of one season. He seems like the kind of project player than should sit behind Dre and absorb his work ethic before he hits the field, but yes, take him if he continues to fall.

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by jstid911 on Feb 3, 2012 3:31 PM CST up reply actions  

Some people here may not remember

but after his junior year, Arian Foster was projected as a second round pick if he came out early. I remember reading about it frequently but this is the only article I could find.

http://tennessee.scout.com/2/720297.html

He was also playing heavier than he should have been. Look at this comment about him from the same article.

Foster, who played high school ball in San Diego, is 6-1 and 225 pounds. He is a big, durable back who can catch passes out of the backfield, but he lacks the burst or gear to dart through holes.

He then went on to have a garbage senior season, splitting carries with future NFL back Montario Hardesty. His offensive line was pathetic, Johnathon Crompton was pathetic, and he got hurt. He fell from the top to being undrafted.

When someone has talent, it just doesn’t go away. It may not be actively expressed at the time, but that is why people pay coaches. Scouts identify talent, coaches bring it out.

The strong do what they have to do; the weak accept what they have to accept

by Riott on Feb 3, 2012 5:57 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Correction

Erik Ainge was pathetic Arian’s senior year. I get my shitty Vol QBs mixed up.

The strong do what they have to do; the weak accept what they have to accept

by Riott on Feb 3, 2012 6:06 PM CST up reply actions  

aren't they all...aren't they all...

"...you may all got hell, and I will go to Texas!"
-Davey Crockett

by Drill Sarge on Feb 3, 2012 6:10 PM CST up reply actions  

Except for one.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 3, 2012 6:33 PM CST up reply actions  

Tee Martin?

The only QB to lead them to a National Championship since the 70’s?

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by Drill Sarge on Feb 3, 2012 7:01 PM CST up reply actions  

So Peyton was a shitty QB because he didn't get a title at UT?

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by FreedomRide on Feb 3, 2012 7:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I was just joking around.

I always like to point out to my buddies who love Peyton that Tenn didn’t win the NC until the year after he left…

"...you may all got hell, and I will go to Texas!"
-Davey Crockett

by Drill Sarge on Feb 3, 2012 7:10 PM CST up reply actions  

And thus began the "Peyton can't win the big one!" story,

which made me a Peyton fan during The Dark Years.

"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus

by FreedomRide on Feb 3, 2012 7:17 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree that there's more than meets the eye here

Jeff Fuller’s Yardage and TD’s went down, but his number of catchesw stayed about the same (70 in 2011 — 72 in 2010) I think there may be several factors, one being hamstring problems which started in the Idaho game. I think another may be the switch in QB’s. He and Jerrod Johnson seemed to be a really good combo, but it seemed like he and Tanyhill never really “clicked”. Also, Nwachu and Swopes had a really good season, catching over 150 passes combined, compared to only 98 last year. Another factor could also be the success of the running game. They rushed for over 2580 yards this year, which was about 500 more than last year.

These don’t account for the drops, but I think it’s some of the things the scouts and GM’s will talk about when considereing Fuller. The big question, though, is going to be his 40 and 20ss at the combine. I think with a good combine, he can get into that 3rd tier of WR’s. I think Floyd and Blackmon will be in the top tier(early to mid 1st round). There are about 6-8 tier 2 recievers ( late first, early third). I think Fuller can get himself into that 3rd to 5th round category. He’s got to have a good combine, though…

"...you may all got hell, and I will go to Texas!"
-Davey Crockett

by Drill Sarge on Feb 3, 2012 5:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Nice Post

Can anybody give an explanation on the kind of interior lineman needed to for our system?

Karate? The Dane Cook of martial arts?

by Rocket94 on Feb 3, 2012 11:20 AM CST via mobile reply actions  

yea basically the smaller more athletic players

We need that for our ZBS so they are better at getting to the second level of the D

by Zukywich08 on Feb 3, 2012 12:03 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions  

couple guys to look at would be

David Molk, center, probably around 3rd round
and Adam Gettis OG/C, probably in round 6

I am sure some of the guys here can bring up a lot more names.

by BleachBum on Feb 3, 2012 6:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Probably someone from Colorado State

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by DaGoaT on Feb 3, 2012 11:58 AM CST reply actions  

"go crazy" + Texans does not compute.

And that’s the way I like it.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 3, 2012 3:46 PM CST up reply actions  

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