If Not David Carr, Then Who, Back In 2002?
by Tim on Feb 22, 2012 10:22 AM CST
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PrintI asked this last night on Twitter as part of our #TTTQ, but I wanted to post the query here for those of you who don't utilize that forum (which you totally should, if for no other reason than to interact with all your favorite least hated BRB personalities):
#TTTQ: Back in '02, were you in favor of #Texans taking David Carr with the first overall pick? Why or why not?
Here's a link to the results of the 2002 NFL Draft if you need to jog your memory. Note that the question asks who you wanted back in 2002. Thus, you don't have the benefit of hindsight. Sure, Ed Reed would have been an infinitely better choice in retrospect, but no one was talking about Reed as the first overall pick back then. So be honest: Who did you want the Texans to take with that first overall pick of the 2002 NFL Draft?
Bonus points if someone can outdo BFD's reply to my tweet last night:Saying @CharleyCasserly is a draft expert is like saying Edward Smith is a shipping expert: just ignore the catastrophes.
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peppers.
david carr is to houston what gabbert is to jacksonville…. god awful qb
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Yup, Peppers
"Boxing is like dealing with a ho"
-Bernard Hopkins
Yeah, Peppers.
Boy oh boy, did that draft ever suck for QBs.
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Josh McCown
He might have not have had the starts of Garrad, but I thought he was always placed in bad situations
And wasn't he a 3rd round pick?
Exactly who did we get in the 3rd round of that draft?
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If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 22, 2012 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
Weary and HIll
McCown was a third round pick 81, we took OG Fred Weary with the 66 and DT Hill with the 83rd. Weary was ok but hill was a bust
So we could have taken Peppers & Garrard instead???
Boy, that would have seriously screwed us out of Andre Johnson
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If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
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by The Night Owl on Feb 22, 2012 4:18 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe not
Would Garrard have gotten us more wins? He wasn’t that good, I doubt it. We went 4-12 in ’02…even at 5-11 or 6-10 (tied with the Jets) we would probably have gotten Dre. Remember, Charles Rogers was the one everyone was raving about. Peppers would have been great, but no sure if he gets us more wins that 1st year.
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As we already Twitter-discussed
Bryant McKinnie
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arguments for either
depend if you are building an offense based team, or defense. prefer defense. never a bad idea to draft o line either though
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by Carter Liles on Feb 22, 2012 10:39 AM CST up reply actions
PLUS
You knew you could trade down a little for McKinnie and pick up an extra pick or two.
Fuck Casserly.
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by bigfatdrunk on Feb 22, 2012 10:40 AM CST up reply actions
Were people really interested in trading up at that point?
I can’t remember at all.
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by riversmccown on Feb 22, 2012 10:46 AM CST up reply actions
Crikey
I don’t remember. I do remember there was a ton of interest in Peppers and Sims at the time.
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by bigfatdrunk on Feb 22, 2012 10:49 AM CST up reply actions
Knucklehead.
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by FreedomRide on Feb 22, 2012 10:41 AM CST up reply actions
Ah, I knew so much about 2005 in 2002!
You have high expectations of me.
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by riversmccown on Feb 22, 2012 10:42 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
/reads post for comprehension this time.
Oh, right.
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by FreedomRide on Feb 22, 2012 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
not a McNair guy
The love boat controversy was still very fresh, no way Texans draft someone first overal with bad character
I wanted Peppers or McKinnie at the time
With Sims close behind.
However, taking a QB was a monumentally moronic decision, even when it was happening real-time.
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Eh
I don’t think drafting Carr was a terrible decision at the time. If you don’t have a franchise QB, and there is someone on the board you think is one, you almost have to pull the trigger. Lots of people were high on Carr at the time — believe Kiper had him as the top player on his board and what not — and while I personally felt uneasy about him, it made sense in a vacuum.
The real problem was not getting a QB in the expansion draft (my fave: Charlie Batch) that could sit around and absorb some of those first 150 hits. Maybe that extra time makes Carr a better player and maybe it doesn’t, but throwing him to the wolves behind the 2002 line was an unmitigated disaster.
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by riversmccown on Feb 22, 2012 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
Another monumental mistake
We basically put all our offensive line eggs in Tony Boselli’s basket, a 30 year old tackle who had missed 13 games of the previous season with major shoulder surgery.
No, that was never going to work out, and Casserly bet everything on him. I can’t prove this isn’t revisionist history, but like MDC said below, if you know me for more than 6 minutes, you know I’m an ageist when it comes to players and their development curve.
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by bigfatdrunk on Feb 22, 2012 11:07 AM CST up reply actions
To be fair
the Boselli pick was made to appease the Jags so that we could also get Gary Walker (iirc . . . or was it Seth Payne?). Should we have drafted more o-line help? Certainly, but I don’t hate the Boselli pick as much as I probably could.
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Oh, I agree
We were stuck with Boselli, which is fine. If he actually proves to be healthy? Great? Thinking he would start 16 games for us? Not so great.
I think it was Walker because he had the crazy cap figure at the time.
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by bigfatdrunk on Feb 22, 2012 11:18 AM CST up reply actions
Boselli's cap was $6.9M
and Walker was $5.25M, so that makes sense.
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Agree with Rivers
Playing said rookie QB from day one on an expansion team was more the moronic decision than taking one first overall.
I’m not going to lie. I was totally on board with taking Carr #1 as he was projected to be a franchise quarterback. I do remember, however, the moment they said he was going to be starting that I shuddered and cried.
I remember I wanted the Texans to pick up Chris Chandler
He was old – but serviceable for sure
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by Barryfromtexas on Feb 22, 2012 1:14 PM CST up reply actions
Oh man
I like Chris Chandler.
But behind that offensive line, his playing time could have been measured in series.
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by riversmccown on Feb 22, 2012 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
Oh, yeah.
Chandler really had an unlucky career. If he’d ever landed in the right spot, or ducked an injury or two, he really could have done big things in the NFL. Dude could play.
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That's fair
It’s completely personal preference. I prefer building teams from the lines out, and there was no reason to believe our OL would be remotely average post expansion. Our defensive line looked even worse. I would’ve been pleased with getting a classic game manager QB with some scrambling skills.
Plus, that throwing motion killed me dead.
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by bigfatdrunk on Feb 22, 2012 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
Absolutely agree on building teams from the lines out
Peppers should have been a no brainer. OK, Carr was a no-brainer too, but of a different sort. Actually Garrard would have been a decent choice later on, he is like a cross between QB and RB so could have taken the hits.
I read an article yesterday
Where they tried to get Batch or another QB who’s name escapes me. But neither of them would sign, as they were aware that the Texans would be drafting Carr.
Drafting Carr wasn’t a terrible thing, but there needed to be a QB vet, not matter how bad they sucked, on the team to take the hits early in the season.
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by distant_texans_fan on Feb 22, 2012 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
In hindsight
I’ve always questioned the issue that Carr was damaged by the hits he took early in his career. Yes, he took a beating, but after having watched him for so many years, I feel like he was pretty weak minded and would have been a bust anyway. I mean, he’s had years to overcome that and has never proven himself to be anything other than a mediocre backup.
Again, I was a Carr guy back in the day, but in hindsight, I don’t think that he would have been a good quarterback under different conditions.
He needed veteran
leadership to teach him how to be an NFL QB, if he had that from day 1, I think he could have been very good.
by Bobbythegreat on Feb 22, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions
Tony Banks wasn't enough of a leader?
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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 22, 2012 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
I think the problem with that conclusion is that people state it so absolutely
I don’t have a problem with thinking the hits changed his game — but that is far from the only reason he couldn’t be a great QB.
Would’ve been interesting though.
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by riversmccown on Feb 22, 2012 2:04 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah
I still think his (lack of a) work effort and five cent brain would’ve held him back, regardless.
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he did have a million dollar body though
bob sanders or schaub would love to have his durability. oh and that hair.
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by NoSafetiesNeeded on Feb 22, 2012 2:22 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Who cares if he's durable if he's got the brain of a gnat (no offense to gnats)
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I've had this argument with friends for about 6-8 years now
Some of them think Carr is better than Schaub (I kid you not) and would have been better had he not been sacked so much early in his career. That opinion in mind-boggling to me. Carr was a joke, I think a good chunk of his sacks were him tucking the ball and going down before the hits came. Like BFD says, he had a lack of work effort and made some boneheaded decisions. There are so many good QB’s in NFL history that took a pounding early and still ended up adjusting and succeeding (Troy Aikman comes to mind).
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Sounds Like
You need some new friends.
Ecstatic that Texans fandom no longer means that April is the highlight of my season...
Hah!
No, killing them slowly with facts and common sense… lately their arguments sound rather feeble so I think there is progress there. If I turned them onto BRB, their heads might explode.
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I'm ashamed to say I bought that shit for years, too.
I credit BRB for the insights that straightened me out on the David Carr story.
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Troy
I believe it was his rookie year (1-15) that he got a concussion during a game and lined up for one snap under the wrong lineman.
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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 22, 2012 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
Totally agree
Carr has had years to show he can be a decent qb. There’s no way that you can blame the fact that he sucks on what happened in Houston.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 23, 2012 11:16 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
I'm going to annyingly direct you back to the lack of a Vet QB on the team.
Just ask Barian FosTate about the influence of Derrick Ward has had over the past two years. He hasn’t been an amazing TD scoring machine, but he is a veteran presence who has helped guide and mentor our two young talented players.
Can anyone tell me who the back-up QB’s were in 2002?
If you take Peppers, which would have been the other option, you get a Vet QB and pick up another QB in the later rounds. David Garrard or Josh McCown.
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by distant_texans_fan on Feb 23, 2012 3:42 PM CST up reply actions
Tony Banks
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Thanks. I could not remember that for the life of me. And my searches were drawing a blank.
So he was a six veteran. He should have been able to mentor Carr somewhat.
I guess to see how much of the suck was Carr’s fault, you also need to look at coaching and what the O-line looked at.
I know if Carr was a great QB, he would have stepped up at some point in his career to be a starter again.
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by distant_texans_fan on Feb 23, 2012 4:28 PM CST up reply actions
We've mentioned several issues here
A couple of us from different sources heard that Carr’s work ethic was extremely poor and he wasn’t all that interested in learning the playbook. I was also told the offensive linemen hated playing for him, and Carr’s father was a huge distraction.
Honestly, I haven’t heard anything good about Carr from his off-field work ethic.
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Me neither
Makes me wonder who was in charge of scouting. It seems like everyone involved, at almost every level, dropped the ball with selecting and coaching him. You’d have thought someone would think to ask about his work ethic.
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by distant_texans_fan on Feb 24, 2012 12:54 AM CST up reply actions
gus ferotte
ferotte or batch would have signed if we would have taken a QB later in the draft. McCown would have flourished here with the home town envorinment, and the mentorship of a vet. Plus taking Peppers instead of Charles Hill would be a huge upgrade.
Exactly, because after you choose McKinnie or Peppers
the question became: WHO’S UNDER CENTER??
Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!
by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 22, 2012 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
It's an expansion team
How relevant is the question?
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by bigfatdrunk on Feb 22, 2012 12:13 PM CST up reply actions
Hadnt the two former expansion teams done really well very early?
I know they changed the process but I thought there was a hope of grabbing some good guys with the expansion draft and the real draft to not be as horrible as we turned out to be.
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by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 22, 2012 1:15 PM CST up reply actions
Correct
Due to the early success of Carolina and Jacksonville, the league tweaked the expansion and amateur draft rules before Cleveland re-entered the league. I believe they tweaked them slightly again before Houston came back, but I could be wrong about that.
I am sure, however, that the Panthers and Jaguars enjoyed advantages (more picks in the amateur draft, if I recall correctly) that were removed by the time the Browns re-appeared/Texans appeared on the scene.
Ecstatic that Texans fandom no longer means that April is the highlight of my season...
The Panthers and Jaguars both had...
2 picks each in the 1st and 2nd rounds.
Houston received 2 picks in rounds 2-7.
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They did
The Panthers made the playoffs in their second year (’96), but this was because of their 6th ranked defense by FO (and big free agent signings in Eric Davis and, especially, Kevin Greene). Also, they had an average offense line that season, which helped Anthony Johnson (RB) to a very good season.
Jax was more helped by their offense, but it was third year man Mark Brunell.
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Jinx!
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by riversmccown on Feb 22, 2012 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
HA!
What’s the penalty? I can’t type until you unjinx?
BTW, I love jinxing the kids. Major sport.
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by riversmccown on Feb 22, 2012 2:11 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Ouch
I’d rather fellate a shotgun.
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by bigfatdrunk on Feb 22, 2012 2:24 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Pretty sure the Geneva Conventions cover this method of punishment.
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Kerry Collins (who was a bust in Carolina) with a No. 5 overall pick
And the Jags got Brunell in a trade for a third and a fifth.
Just because they’d succeeded early doesn’t necessarily mean they did so due to quarterback play.
P.S. Tim Couch.
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by riversmccown on Feb 22, 2012 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
As it turns out...
We blew the pick and wasted four years on that guy under center.
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FA QBs, circa 2002
Tony Banks (signed by Houston, 8/19)
Charlie Batch
Jeff Blake
Dave Brown
Chris Chandler
Dameyune Craig
Randall Cunningham
Trent Dilfer
A.J. Feely
Jay Fiedler
Gus Frerotte
Jeff George
Kent Graham
Elvis Grbac
Jim Harbaugh
Tim Hasselbeck
Rob Johnson
Jim Miller
Rick Mirer
Scott Mitchell
Mark Rypien
You’re telling me NONE of those guys could have been serviceable for a year or (maybe) two?
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Tim Hasselback,
Could’ve provided some good color commentary.
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10-6, with a first round playoff upset over either the Ravens or Steelers.
by taylorrohrman on Feb 22, 2012 12:32 PM CST up reply actions
AFAICT, Dilfer was with Seattle at the time, not a free agent
And so was not available to us.
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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 22, 2012 12:40 PM CST up reply actions
Not true.
He became a free agent on 3/1. He signed with Seattle on 3/3 for 4 years and a little less than $18M.
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So Seattle let him go for 2-3 days and then re-signed him?
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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 22, 2012 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
Basically, yeah.
But that’s kind of beside the point; even striking Dilfer from the list, I don’t buy that none of the remaining guys could have been serviceable for a year or two.
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...
I only raised it because I didn’t expect to see him there. I couldn’t remember which year he “won” the SB with the Ravens, and in looking at that I saw that he was with Seattle for several years starting in 2001, and was quite surprised to realize that he was released by the Ravens right after the SB.
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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 22, 2012 1:31 PM CST up reply actions
Dilfer won the SB in 2000
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...
all by himself!
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by Barryfromtexas on Feb 22, 2012 2:29 PM CST up reply actions
Texans Signed Kent Graham
The original plan was for him to be the starter in ’02, but he supposedly looked so bad or out of shape that Carr won the gig.
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by Tim on Feb 22, 2012 1:06 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Just a pitiful pond to be fishin in
Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!
by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 22, 2012 1:16 PM CST up reply actions
I remember I wanted them to get Chandler
He was old by then – but I remember stuff he had done as an Oiler back-up/starter which wasn’t half bad. – He was a SB QB with Atlanta too.
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by Barryfromtexas on Feb 22, 2012 1:20 PM CST up reply actions
…aking a QB was a monumentally moronic decision, even when it was happening real-time.
Yup. I remember feeling at the time that we’d replaced one idiot NFL franchise with another one.
Has anyone mentioned fuck Casserly?
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by FreedomRide on Feb 22, 2012 10:51 AM CST up reply actions
we woulda been screwed at qb no matter what
The next 3 qbs after Carr were joey harrington Patrick ramsey and David garrard. would any of those guys been better?
by BricAM on Feb 22, 2012 10:43 AM CST via mobile reply actions
I would argue Garrard could've been better...
Let’s say, for example, the Texans took McKinnie in round 1. In round 2, instead of drafting Jabar Gaffney, they could’ve gone Clinton Portis and Chester Pitts. Later on, in that same draft, they could’ve added OG Jonathan Goodwin, FB Lamar Gordon, RB Chester Taylor and TE Jeb Putzier.
Add to the mix C Steve McKinney and you have the makings of a run-heavy offense….with Putzier as a safety valve and Corey Bradford as his deep threat. A better line and run game would allow Garrard to just be a manager….which he showed he could be in Jacksonville.
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What Casserly could've gotten in the 02 Draft (if he were perfect)
1st Round – OT Bryant McKinnie
2nd Round – RB Clinton Portis and OG Chester Pitts
3rd Round – FB Lamar Gordon and SS Chris Hope
4th Round – QB David Garrard and OG Jonathan Goodwin
5th Round – LB Scott Fujita and DE Aaron Kampman
6th Round – LB Bart Scott, RB Chester Taylor and TE Jeb Putzier
7th Round – C Eric Heitmann and LB James Harrison
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shit no gm could pull that off.
but that would have been an amazing draft
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by NoSafetiesNeeded on Feb 22, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply actions
So much talent littered in that draft....
and Casserly just brought in a lot of crap, a few players who would’ve fared better on other teams…..and Chester Pitts.
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I don't know man, 2002 ranks with 2005 and 2007 as some of the worst drafts I can remember seeing.
Welcome to Houston, J.J. Watt, Brooks Reed, Brandon Harris, Rashad Carmichael, Shiloh Keo, T.J. Yates, Derek Newton, and Cheta Ozougwu!
Ugh.
What could have been…
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Then he would've missed ED frickin' REED in the first round
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by Foster Child on Feb 22, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions
it depends on the trend.
a couple of years ago the raiders and bills took some between the top 15 picks. other years none are picked until the 2nd round ie taylor mays.
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by NoSafetiesNeeded on Feb 22, 2012 11:21 AM CST up reply actions
Earl Thomas?
Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!
by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 22, 2012 1:18 PM CST up reply actions
Aren't we picking past players based on their performance after the draft?
This whole exercise is based on hindsight, nicht wahr?
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by Foster Child on Feb 22, 2012 11:22 AM CST up reply actions
Holy crap, my first OU!!!
/feel special
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by Foster Child on Feb 22, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
your naked pic of BFD is in the mail sir
CONGRATS!!!!
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Nah. Read the premise again, closely.
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by FreedomRide on Feb 22, 2012 11:24 AM CST up reply actions
Hold on...
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by Foster Child on Feb 22, 2012 11:27 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd for Clouseau.
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by FreedomRide on Feb 22, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
in hindsight yes
But who knows if any of those guys would have worked in the system we were running. capers was a D coach and i have no idea who the Oc was or what he ran
by BricAM on Feb 22, 2012 11:21 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
there you go
We were doomed to the Decade of Disappointment no matter what
by BricAM on Feb 22, 2012 11:26 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
A large portion of doom has to go to the lack of line talent
On both sides of the ball.
Not much an offense can do with the line they used to have.
"Lord, beer me strength."
dark days indeed
Just glad we don’t worry about terrible lines anymore
by BricAM on Feb 22, 2012 11:56 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
(Or if he had the Gray's Sports Almanac)
BTTF 2 reference :-)
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correction- harrington ramsey and McCown were the 3 after Carr
Not sure why the love for Garrad, much rather have McCown
I was pro-Peppers
which should be incredibly unsurprising if you’ve known me for more than 6 minutes.
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I also remember Carr had a REALLY high grade
So its easy to say the pick was bad now. I still think in the situation it was the right pick, but pretty much everyone knew peppers was a lock to be good.
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Carr had a high grade
in large part because it was a shitty year for QBs in the draft. There was nothing about him in college that should have screamed “Peyton Manning” or “Andrew Luck” to anyone. If Fresno doesn’t make a mid-season run up to #8 in the BCS, he’s not a first-overall pick. Hell, Jim (or John) Harbaugh labeled Carr a SIXTH-ROUND pick prior to the draft.
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Thats fair
That was a pretty shitty QB class, and I forgot that Fresno went up to 8th in the BCS. That was a rought year CFB wise for me.
He was graded higher then harrington thought I think, so I dont fault them for taking the highest rated player at the most important position.
but hindsight, with the team being new, they should have signed a vet and drafted lineman.
Its all worth it for where we are at now.
im sure kiper was sucking him off on air…. Id love to rewatch that draft at a bar with a bunch of peeps and riot after the carr pick. make me feel a little better
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Here you go.
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Michael Vick is the best throwing running back of all time.
My put your name on it prediction for the Housotn Texans.
10-6, with a first round playoff upset over either the Ravens or Steelers.
by taylorrohrman on Feb 22, 2012 12:08 PM CST up reply actions
Quote from the comments
Turns out Dom Capers never wanted to draft David Carr. His recommendation going into the ’02 Draft was to pick either Julius Peppers or Albert Haynesworth. Disagreeing with him; Bob McNair and Charley Casserley decided that a high-profile QB would bring more media exposure to the team.
Madame de Staël once said, "One must choose in life between boredom and suffering." De Staël is dead but there is always an alternative.
This is where the cool is.
ugghh
Kiper sure was in love with this guy, geez. Also, I forgot Dwight Freeney was in this class too.
/smh
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How many rings does Peppers have?
Because Carr has one.
/cowboy’d
by JBal on Feb 22, 2012 7:06 PM CST via Android app up reply actions
How many rings does Andre Johnson have?
Carr is so good
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You left out
Mario Williams and (sigh) Amobi Okoye.
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/Tim'd
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by Barryfromtexas on Feb 22, 2012 11:01 PM CST up reply actions
What about free agents?
Anyone remember who was on the market for 2002? Whether through the expansion draft or just UFA. Obviously there weren’t many good choices for QB in 2002. I remember being shocked that Carr was going to be drafted but I also remember there being a lack of options.
Also, the Texans picked 2 QBs in the draft the following year. Ragone and Hensen. Anyone remember if there were any reservations about Carr from the organization after his first year? Maybe the staff attempted to bring in someone that could push Carr during training camps…they just failed at the attempt(s).
Thank you Texans for 2011.
The 2012 season can't start soon enough.
Wasn't Drew Henson
mostly just for trade bait? I remember something about his baseball career and nobody knew if/when he would play football…so it was like buying a lottery ticket. Which, much like the real lottery, you shouldn’t be playing if you’re poor
by Jason Brown on Feb 22, 2012 11:12 AM CST up reply actions
I didn't think taking Henson was a bad idea
We took him late in the draft when you’re not expecting to find to many all-pros. He was a risk but it worked out and we traded him for a better pick which was nice. I hate Casserly b/c he is an awful GM but picking Henson was a pretty savvy move I thought.
by maroonedTexan on Feb 22, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
Just getting ready to say the same thing.
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by bigfatdrunk on Feb 22, 2012 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
If it weren't for Henson
The Texans never would have had the Immortal Samkon Gado. I still don’t exactly understand the reasoning behind the Morency for Gado trade maybe I was missed something but trading 3rd string running backs seemed a bit pointless even at the time.
I just don’t understand Casserly
by maroonedTexan on Feb 22, 2012 12:05 PM CST up reply actions
yup i actually liked our original running back.
i thought he was good enough to move the chains. unfortunately, both were out of the league in less than 2 years.
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vocabulary." - Lawrence Vickers
"I believe in this "zombie team that won’t fucking die no matter how many body parts you shoot off." We can win this game.
by NoSafetiesNeeded on Feb 22, 2012 2:27 PM CST up reply actions
It was just odd. I liked Morency too
There was a lot of talk about how Morency Would be a big factor in the running game then after 2 games in 06 we trade him for Gado who we promptly allowed to more or less ride the bench the rest of the year.
by maroonedTexan on Feb 22, 2012 3:52 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
For a normal team I would be OK with it
But an expansion team devoid of talent, eh. Not the worst thing you could do by any means but you just need depth at so many spots.
To be fair I was wrong and thought the we drafted him in the 4th or 5th off the top of my head, not 6th which is more in the “we don’t mind taking a risk here” range.
The trade didn’t really net us that much value if you go by the standard “trading a pick for next year bumps the round up one” rule. So a 2003 6th is like a 2004 5th and 2005 4th (we got a 3rd). Not particularly savvy but not as bad as I thought when I originally posted either
I agree it wasn't a steal of a trade
But there was potential, had Henson been more interested in football it could have become something better. At least we were able to take a 3rd from Dallas for almost nothing. I think that’s what makes me like the trade
by maroonedTexan on Feb 22, 2012 3:55 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Wasn't Henson ahead of Tom Brady at Michigan?
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Think so, he was the hometown favorite
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 22, 2012 5:22 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah Brady only got to mupp- up after him!
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by Barryfromtexas on Feb 22, 2012 5:46 PM CST up reply actions
THAT was painful
The pun police are on the way to your house…
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by Foster Child on Feb 22, 2012 9:11 PM CST up reply actions
They better have a war ant
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by Barryfromtexas on Feb 22, 2012 11:02 PM CST up reply actions
I would have chosen McKinnie or Julius Peppers.
It was essentially the 06 draft. do you choose a franchise left ackle in dbrickshaw ferguson (who i wanted) or mario williams (who i had never heard of)?
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vocabulary." - Lawrence Vickers
"I believe in this "zombie team that won’t fucking die no matter how many body parts you shoot off." We can win this game.
by NoSafetiesNeeded on Feb 22, 2012 11:20 AM CST reply actions
Exactly
And those were precisely the two guys I wanted, as well.
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by bigfatdrunk on Feb 22, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, but the Texans were a new team trying to fire up the fans
so I understand the QB pick.
Plus, fuck Casserly.
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by Foster Child on Feb 22, 2012 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
It's like I STILL argue with a VYfanboi
You know what fires up fans? Winning football.
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by bigfatdrunk on Feb 22, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
Hey, don't yell at me! I wasn't the GM!
/runs away sobbing
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by Foster Child on Feb 22, 2012 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
HAHAHA!
Sorry. Didn’t mean it as an insult!
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by bigfatdrunk on Feb 22, 2012 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
You are a very bad man...
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by Foster Child on Feb 22, 2012 11:36 AM CST up reply actions
most of the people I knew were fired up about Peppers
and thought Carr was a big risk because he came from a small program that was very pass happy…similar to Case Keenum at UH, or one of the recent Texas Tech QB’s. The selection of Carr, was to me, like taking a huge risk on one of those guys. I was very disappointed with the pick.
To be fair to Casserly, I liked these expansion picks
Ryan Young, Aaron Glenn, Payne and Walker, and Marcus Coleman. I was really high on Young at the time. /shrug
Nobody named Matt Campbell (taken at 8) is ever going to be a good football player.
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Aaron Glenn was my fave Texan the first season...
If only we had Glenn in his prime now starting opposite JJo…
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by Foster Child on Feb 22, 2012 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
Jamie Sharper was a good pickup too
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Trade down.
I was about 9 for the expansion draft. Were there any rumors of the Texans trading down?
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Michael Vick is the best throwing running back of all time.
My put your name on it prediction for the Housotn Texans.
10-6, with a first round playoff upset over either the Ravens or Steelers.
Not that I can remember
IIRC, Casserly wanted Carr the entire time and never hid it.
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by bigfatdrunk on Feb 22, 2012 12:15 PM CST up reply actions
Carr was signed
prior to the draft. I’d say there was no chance he was considering anything else.
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Yeah re-watching it now and it's almost funny how
much these guys loved David Carr.
Ha, Kiper says
"when you look at carr and harrington in 3 or 4 years, you will not call either of them a bust
I'm a household name... at my house.
Michael Vick is the best throwing running back of all time.
My put your name on it prediction for the Housotn Texans.
10-6, with a first round playoff upset over either the Ravens or Steelers.
by taylorrohrman on Feb 22, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
BA-HAHAHAHA!
Why the fuck does anyone take Kiper seriously?
I bought his draft books once, years ago. They were crap. Not only were they full of high-flown, meaningless blather about the prospects, but there were so many grammar howlers in them that it was obvious I was reading the words of a nitwit. The man is an absolute master of the misplaced modifier. What a waste of money.
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-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
Oh, I see what happened.
Kiper was absolutely right, but he forgot to preface it with, “In Bizarro World…”
It was a simple misunderstanding. A big detail, I know, but these things happen.
McCown
McCown would have been a beast here, he played well down the street at Sam. Not bad for a third round pick. He played well for a little while with the cards, but was never really given a shot to be the man. Peppers and McCown would have been nice additions and upgrades over Carr and Hill
In this Alternate Universe
With Peppers as the #1, and for arguments sake Chris Chandler comes to town, does this mean no Andre? Would they have went after Leftwich?
True arrogance has been displayed here- WestministerRavensfan or something
Hi My name is Jack, why don't you help me off?
That's the problem
with this kind of hypothetical process. We might not have “needed” Andre, plus we might have had a lower draft position and he could’ve gone somewhere else before we got our chance. Any one team making a different draft choice could have a domino affect on the entire league.
The only thing certain would be the Raiders doing on things in the draft.
Thank you Texans for 2011.
The 2012 season can't start soon enough.
Well, they went 4-12 that first year.
Even one more win would have had them still drafting third.
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True
And I’m not sure Peppers would have given us more wins that 1st year anyway. I still think we get Dre in ‘03. That would have set us up for Ben Roethlibeger in ’04 as the franchise QB had we waited. What do ya’ll think?
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That actually doesn't sound so bad.
That was a pretty good group of QBs at the top that year. Any one of them would have been a major improvement over what we went through.
by maroonedTexan on Feb 22, 2012 5:38 PM CST up reply actions
I don't like this alternate universe anymore
by maroonedTexan on Feb 22, 2012 1:25 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Andre is still a Top 3 Talent
So maybe they still go after him, IDK I do know that Mario never happens. Yet while we are all on the LSD comment thread having Mario and Peppers on the same team.
True arrogance has been displayed here- WestministerRavensfan or something
Hi My name is Jack, why don't you help me off?
What if
in the alternative universe, the team didn’t blow for its first few years?
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I'd love that
I just worry that we would have been worse without Andre. To me Andre and Carr >
leftwich and peppers. If we still take Andre in 03 and stick with the qb we took later (mccown?) And the veteran who should have started in 02 we would have been in a better place
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It would be like my first wife?
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by MDC on Feb 22, 2012 10:37 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You'd think that was more like they didn't blow after their first few years.
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by professortex on Feb 23, 2012 9:34 AM CST up reply actions
I remember hearing something about Michael Vick
That he declared early in 2001 because he didn’t want to be picked by the Texans in the 2002 Draft. I’m not putting any stock on the statement, only that I remember something like that being said.
Matt Schoob, Mary O' Williams, Adrian Foster, Jacoby Ford, Kevin Walters, and Daniel Owens are my favorite Texans!
I recall a simliar situation
True arrogance has been displayed here- WestministerRavensfan or something
Hi My name is Jack, why don't you help me off?
That Was The Story At The Time
Vick was going to return to Virginia Tech for another year but then decided he didn’t want to be the QB for an expansion team and reversed course.
Ecstatic that Texans fandom no longer means that April is the highlight of my season...
Good to know
That alcohol and bleach haven’t killed off all my brain cells. I can still remember the early 2000’s!
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by MeSoLongHorny on Feb 22, 2012 2:01 PM CST up reply actions
If you're looking for the best way to start, following Carolina's lead by trading down would have been the best option
Carolina’s initial season, they traded with Cincy and got the 5th pick of the first round and the 4th pick of the second round. I think there were teams that maybe would have traded up for Peppers. I could see possibly Kansas City parting with their second rd pick for the right to draft Peppers. That would have left us with 4 of the top 50 picks. Even if you assume that we select Pitts and Gabney with the other 2nd rd picks, that would have left us with the fifth pick of the first and the 43rd pick of the draft. I would have taken Mckinney with the fifth pick and possibly LeCharles Bently with the 43rd. Building on both sides of the line would have been the right thing to do. That’s what we’ve done since Kubiak has taken over, and that is what has made us into one of the top teams in the AFC. Imagine this Oline for the first season…
LT- Bryant McKinney
LG- Chester Pitts
C- Lecharles Bentley
RG- Steve Mckinney
RT- Ryan Young
would have been a very respectable o-line. If you’re team sucks, build up your lines.
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Julius Peppers.
And it’s not even close for me.
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peppers over freeney?
whoa.
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Gob: It's not like envy, or even hungry...
Dwight Freeney?
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Dwight Freeney or Donte Stallwaorth
Although Jeremy Shockey turned out to be a good one… If I took a tight end (but that’s Kubes moniker-noot mine) We had that superstar billy miller remember? I would have grabbed one via free agency probably Jeff Garcia, or Randall Cunningham… We did well with Tony Banks and ran him off.
Doin stuff so nasty that you have to do it twice to confirm the level of nasty!!
Randall Cunningham?
Did we get our expansion franchise in the early 90s?
ED REED!!!! I HOPE SOMEONE ALREADY SAID THIS!
NOT EVEN CLOSE! BEST FS OF ALL TIME. TAKES AWAY HALF THE FIELD!
You gotta read the premise of the discussion
Note that the question asks who you wanted back in 2002. Thus, you don’t have the benefit of hindsight. Sure, Ed Reed would have been an infinitely better choice in retrospect, but no one was talking about Reed as the first overall pick back then. So be honest: Who did you want the Texans to take with that first overall pick of the 2002 NFL Draft?
"Lord, beer me strength."
So are we gonna go after the doosh Innegan, lol
A BE-SF homer’s assessment of his losing the F in his name:
AJ punched him because he was shutting him down the entire game, and I’d bet my bottom dollar nothing like that ever happens again. When Johnson started punching him, he was smiling and violently clapping his hands together in joy because it meant an automatic ejection for him. He said during a practice the next week that he would never make that mistake again … he wasn’t aware you get ejected for being punched, also. Which what confused me was why didn’t the Packer lineman get ejected and suspended for allowing Suh to stomp his arm this season?
http://www.footballforum.com/tennessee-titans/124830-finnegan-titans-still-talking.html
Wow.
There’s an amazing amount of dumb in that comment, even for a BESF fan.
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by UprootedTexan on Feb 23, 2012 9:12 AM CST up reply actions
dwight freeney.
that way he never meets up with robert mathis, the future is forever changed… and the dude in the photograph doesn’t disappear and shit.
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