Don Banks: NFL Mock Draft (02/22/12)
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Meh.
He falls into the group of “I’d rather have Nick Toon in the second than ____ in the first.”
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This is tough
is randle more athletic than a guy like toon or criner etc. YES
was he the product of terrible QBs at LSU. Probably.
Does he have all the skills to be a #1. YES.
And While I dont dislike toon, I just dont think he is anything special. Average at a lot of things; average speed and agility, not the quickest first step, BUT
He is a great route runner, has good hand, and will block in the run game. He is a safe pick IMO,
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JJ Watt was a ''safe pick''
also, how that turn out?
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He's also an incredible athlete...
And had great college production. He was the holy trinity of draft picks.
Clearly, the reaction shared that enthusiasm.
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by TexansDC on Feb 22, 2012 4:02 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Nash and I are awesome. High-5s!
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by TexansDC on Feb 22, 2012 4:05 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
I’m sure the Colts fan has a different opinion now.
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by TexansDC on Feb 22, 2012 4:06 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Wow, I wasn't here last year, but man, that was a lot of hatred!
I’ll be honest, initially I wasn’t too thrilled, but the more video I saw of him the better I felt about the pick. We need to go “high-motor” picks from now on.
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That was mild
Compared to the reaction when Cushing was drafted.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 23, 2012 11:32 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
That was long before I discovered BRB, but I remember calling my Texans fans buddies in Houston
and raging about that pick. I was convinced Cushing was a blockhead because he couldn’t follow instructions for the 40-yard dash start—and of course I thought he was a stone juicer.
I bet one of my guys 20 bucks Cushing would be off the team in 3 years. I wanted to make it a hundred but he wouldn’t do it.
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by FreedomRide on Feb 23, 2012 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
My draft opinion history
>Hated the Mario pick (I listened to Pancakes too much that year, reminded myself never to do it again). Was wrong
>Hated the Okoye pick. Was totally right
>Loved the Cushing pick, and was ridiculed by friends for it. Was totally right
>Hated the Kareem pick and still do. Was right
>Didn’t like the Watt pick (although I liked him after some videos). Was wrong
So that’s 3/5 for 60%. Woohoo!
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My record grading our picks is pretty bad.
Hated Mario, hated Cushing, hated Duane Brown, loved Travis Johnson. Watt and ‘Dre are the only #1 picks I’ve really liked that have payed off.
I did hate Okoye, though. It still pisses me off when I think w could have had Revis or Willis. I wanted Rick Smith fired for that pick.
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by FreedomRide on Feb 23, 2012 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
Okoye pick was a total WTF moment
That came out of nowhere and nobody could explain it to me. At least Travis Johnson you could say was highly rated and made sense at the time. He was just lazy and that is difficult to assess.
Kareem’s another WTF, but he still has a chance to turn it around (pun intended, Kareem…turn your head!).
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lawl.
I really enjoyed this comment:
we could’ve had Aldon Smith instead. This is just retarded.
After Aldon Smith had already been drafted…
I never get tired of reading it,
and rec’ing TDC for going against the tide.
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It's good laughs now...
I love how the opinion flipped a complete 180 on the pick.
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TDC and Nash
gets the bragging rights until proven otherwise. JJ Watt was a GREAT pick.
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by FandomEst2002 on Feb 22, 2012 7:28 PM CST up reply actions
I must've been out of my mind.
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by UprootedTexan on Feb 22, 2012 8:51 PM CST up reply actions
lol
Then YOU are the one to interview him
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by Barryfromtexas on Feb 22, 2012 8:52 PM CST up reply actions
Sure. That must have been the reasoning.
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by OBrienSchofieldismyHero on Feb 23, 2012 12:37 AM CST up reply actions
I agree with all of this
except for Toon being “average at a lot of things.” I think that sells him short; he might not be a superstar in any one area, but what makes him such a good fit for a balanced offense like this is that he is well above average in most important areas. Plus, like I always mention, good DNA.
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It's more speed and quickness
He won’t wow you with his speed and measurables, but makes up for it in other areas. He’s not running in the 4.4s or jumping out of the gym or running crazy 3 cone times was my point
Also he isn’t exactly the most durable guy, but I’m all about taking risks this year
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by AllenOU on Feb 22, 2012 4:30 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Well, at the risk of equivocating
while he might have been dinged up, didn’t he only actually miss games due to injury in 2010? And even that was only three or four games, iirc.
I see what you’re saying re: measurables. That’s fair. But I would point out that his 2011 YPC were higher than Kendall Wright, Justin Blackmon, and Michael Floyd. You don’t do that without a little quickness.
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In how many receptions though?
Blackmon had what 80+. Wright had over 100. Not sure on Floyd.
I’m willing to bet of he was in the big 12, he’d have more rec but less YPC
I see your point though, and he does fit here pretty well
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by AllenOU on Feb 22, 2012 7:11 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
But who says you will get him later on?
I heard this randle kid is good just no QB. So it can be a hit or miss with him. have to see what everybody does at combine.
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MDC is right
in the fact that IMO, and I guess his opinion too, AT WORST, Toon will be a guy who will at least contribute. higher floor than randle
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Exactly.
I put Randle’s floor as “complete bust.” I put Toon’s as “slightly worse than his dad, who, by the way, made three pro bowls and was a first-team all pro.”
Randle’s ceiling may be much higher - think Vincent Jackson on a good day - but from a cost-benefit standpoint, Toon seems like a better pick.
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Do you believe in
possibly grabbing both (if possible) so you get 1 safe and 1 potential, or do you think that’s overkill?
I think a lot of people would be agreeable to taking two WRs.
I’m more of the mindset that you go for two different types: take Sanu or Toon or Randle with your earlier pick and T.Y. Hilton or Joe Adams or Ryan Broyles with, say, your 3rd or 4th round pick.
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I'd be more inclined to go this route.
Spending the first two picks on WR, no matter how great that depth looks on paper, means you’re at pick 90 before you address other issues.
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See below.
I think going first and second on WR is overkill. I’d have no problem with first or second plus a guy in the fourth. In that situation, though, I still want the safer pick early, considering the money difference.
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You can get 1st round talent
Like Broyles, in round 3-4 hopefully
If we pulled randle and Broyles or toon and Broyles I’d be very happy.
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by AllenOU on Feb 22, 2012 4:32 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I know I've suggested Broyles in this topic...
… but the torn ACL and the fact that Oklahoma never produces good WRs make me wary about the guy.
I’d push for T.Y. Hilton or Joe Adams first. They have the sort of x-factor that the staff wanted from Jacoby, but I think they have a lot more potential.
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OU had not produced QBs until Bradford
That is beyond irrelevant.
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by AllenOU on Feb 22, 2012 7:13 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
No it's not.
It’s actually extremely relevant.
Same reason I’m not high on Griffin, Blackmon, or Wright: those offenses do not produce good pro prospects. Bottom line.
And besides, let’s hold off before we insinuate that Bradford is good.
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This would be a great theory
If only for that pesky fact that things, do, in fact, change.
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by riversmccown on Feb 22, 2012 8:43 PM CST up reply actions
Do they?
Coaches change? If the coaches changed, then let me know.
Otherwise, I point you to the fact that history proves me right. Sumlin/Leach/Holgorsen/Briles offenses do not produce successful skill position players in the NFL.
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Shitty ol' Wes Welker, to name one off the top of my head.
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by riversmccown on Feb 22, 2012 8:55 PM CST up reply actions
For all of TTU's WRs over the past few years
they have three in the NFL (Welker, Danny Amendola, and Michael Crabtree). That’s not a particularly high percentage for a team that is running 4 or 5 WR most of the time.
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Let me put it this way
Building a good college program/recruiting database is a process. All four of the coaches that krkenney named had to dig their way up into the ranks, dealing with less-than-optimal talents.
But once they reach a certain point, and you can point to them as being good coaches, really talented recruits can and will come in. Nobody is poo-pooing Griffin III because Art Briles coached him.
Does it make me a little nervous that the track record isn’t as great as it is at a football factory university like Miami or Michigan? Sure. But you can’t really hold that against a prospect.
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by riversmccown on Feb 22, 2012 9:10 PM CST up reply actions
Why not?
My concern isn’t talent necessarily, it’s the fact that the offensive systems are designed to mask pour route-trees, inability to read defenses, and speed.
They are timing based offenses that rely on deception rather than exploiting talent. So these players put up circus numbers and then they’re slow, or can’t run pro routes, or can’t read NFL defenses, or can’t take snaps from under center.
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Cam Newton, that's why.
Not only is the NFL becoming a place where more explorative passing game concepts are utilized, but also if you stare at a production prospect and just write “system guy” without projecting him, you’re going to miss on some high-ceiling players now.
I just think you guys are being way too hasty about judging someone just because they come from Place X.
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by riversmccown on Feb 22, 2012 9:42 PM CST up reply actions
So what some guys are saying
Is that it isn’t the player and his talents, but it is all coaching?
I could never believe that one.
/Kareem Jackson’d
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by Barryfromtexas on Feb 22, 2012 10:23 PM CST up reply actions
Yes, that is what some guys are saying
They are wrong.
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by professortex on Feb 23, 2012 9:23 AM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't hold it against any of them in the abstract.
I would use it as a tiebreaker if trying to choose between two guys who seemed similar in all other measurable ways. Even then, I can see how a team’s answer might vary depending on the style of offense they ran.
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rivers defending my comment
even though this ISNT my actual hometown………
#sarcasm
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yup, thats what I'd like.
Originally, I wanted Toon or Sanu (most had him slated to go in the 2d) in the second. But the more I look at Randle, the more I like him. So we grab Randle in the first and toon in the second. If they both turn out good, then we just got replacements for Andre and Walter.
The down side is there are some good O-linemen and D players to be had in the 2d that we’d have to skip on.
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by professortex on Feb 22, 2012 9:40 PM CST up reply actions
alshon jeffery
i want to see how he looks at the combine, he was far and away the best WR in the SEC in 2010 (better than aj green or julio jones). His quarterbacks in 2011 were putting up 80-120yds a gm, so i would not blame the down year in 2011 entirely on Alshon.
Heard Dre Kirkpatrick talking on the big show this morning and he stated Alshon and joe adams were better wideouts then rueben randle.
by HigherFrequency on Feb 22, 2012 9:37 PM CST up reply actions
Personally
I’m shooting for ceiling in the 1st round, and it doesn’t mean we can’t take Toon in the 2nd. We seriously need the depth and weapons.
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When you are picking in the top 10, its different
we are at #26. roll the dice on a top 10 talent that falls for whatever reason
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I still think that 26th pick is too valuable to be rolling the dice
I rather spend a little extra on a free agent that I have seen perform in the NFL.
I would be perfectly fine rolling the dice in rounds 3 or later, maybe even the 2nd
but not in the first.
I thought all draft picks were rolling the dice
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by Barryfromtexas on Feb 22, 2012 5:59 PM CST up reply actions
So, figure those odds...
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by Barryfromtexas on Feb 23, 2012 12:21 AM CST up reply actions
8.3% chance
that the drafted player is a dork.
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I don't think you are.
At least not from conversations we’ve had. Sure, you want a ton of upside if possible, but it wasn’t the upside only that had both of us in love with DR-C and anti-Aqib Talib in 2008; it was also the fact that DR-C seemed to have all the tools and, at worst, would be a good NFL corner. Ditto Alex Mack over Brian Cushing in 2009. Sure, we would have been right once and wrong once, but even in the year we were wrong, we would’ve gotten a very good center.
Point being, ceiling is nice, but it’s not the type of thing you want to bank on.
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Things were different back then.
I think we can afford to miss now. Or at the very least, we can afford to take a guy even if he doesn’t contribute in 2012.
I think one of the problems in past drafts
was they chose too many players with “upside” who couldn’t contribute to the team immediately, or “projects”. This year’s draft does definitely feel different, though.
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by Foster Child on Feb 22, 2012 5:53 PM CST up reply actions
Sure
but I’d argue that there’s a huge difference between missing and taking a guy who just doesn’t contribute this season.
Also, I’m not entirely sold on this idea, now that I think about it. Dre and Schaub aren’t getting any younger, you know.
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Here's a TDC theory for you...
“Dont draft offensive talent from a Les Miles program.”
I’m scratching my head on trying to find the last time Crazy Les produced some offensive talent that wasn’t a bust/fizzled out/didn’t develop.
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it goes further than that
LSU WRs have a very checkered track record. I feel the same about offensive players from USC.
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Generalizing future players based on what school they come from and the track record of previous players from that school
no comment
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Um, there's a reason people do that.
Teams that have stability at HC in the college ranks tend to play a single style of offense or defense. Over enough years, you can start to see which of those programs turns out good NFL players at a specific position. It’s not a perfect system, but it’s a good tiebreaker.
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Yep
You put randle on OU with Sammy B and Landry as his QBs for his career, guy is in the conversation with blackmon easily. But blackmon on LSU, he suffers exactly like randle is now
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by AllenOU on Feb 22, 2012 4:34 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
That's true.
The flipside is that there’s a reason why guys like Blackmon are so heavily recruited by passing offenses while guys like Randle wind up at schools that don’t feature big play WRs.
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Well, when Blackmon was being recruited, OSU certianly didn't have the national profile it does now.
… and if I’m not mistaken, Randle showed up at LSU on the heels of a national championship win.
Sometimes, I don’t understand why heavily-recruited receivers agree to go to schools like Baylor, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, and now Texas A&M. Why would you want to play in an offense that seldom produces receivers that go pro? I played with the old Tech receiver Detron Lewis in high school. He had scholarship offers from Nebraska and Oklahoma State as well, and chose Texas Tech. I couldn’t believe it. Still don’t get it.
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Back to DaGoat's original thought
DaGoat said:
I feel the same about offensive players from USC (have a checkered track record)
What exactly does that mean, checkered track record? I guess it means they have some good NFL players and some bad NFL players that have come out of that school. Checkered; wouldn’t that mean blemished sometimes? Something like that? Some good, some bad? Couldn’t you say that about any college program? I guess that can apply to USC offensive players. Some have had good NFL careers and some have been average and some have been busts. It depends on perspective and expectations, I suppose. I guess that could apply to any school because players all turn out differently. They as a group all have a checkered track record. So, what does that say about Randle? He might be good or he might be bad, am I right? I can say that about any player and I can relate it to the checkered track record of the college program he comes from, because they all have checkered records.
It really means not a hell of a lot to compare a draftee to the college program’s history, because that player is just one player. Coaches change. Players change. Schemes change. To take one player out of this year’s draft class and lump him in with the players that have come out of the program over history and project how he will do in the NFL is nothing more than a crapshoot. I could say, for the most part, measurables at the the Combine could provide a better barometer of how a player will do in the NFL as compared to the checkered or uncheckered, depending on your point of view, record of the school he comes from
So, MDC said
there’s a reason people do that
Haha! I am rolling on the floor reading MDC’s description! Hahahahahaha!!!
It’s not a perfect system, but it’s a good tiebreaker
Wooo-hoooooooo!!!!!! Funny opinion! Very funny!
Hahaha! LMAO, because you are too funny with your opinions. MDC!
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Quick question
Have you ever contributed anything meaningful to this site? I’m struggling to recall anything.
Bonus question: Would you classify yourself more as “willfully obtuse” or “mindless troll”?
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by MDC on Feb 22, 2012 6:36 PM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Oh snap.
This needs to be settled with a Battle Red Radio call-in.
Nah.
It’s been settled.
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by FreedomRide on Feb 22, 2012 6:44 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No comment.
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bfd doesn't resort to name-calling and neither do I
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When you go out of your way to say silly things, I have a right to laugh
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Oh, I know
When you displayed your astute grasp of the BTTF series of movies, I praised you and pointed out how right on point your comments were,….. then you deleted my post.
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Still waiting on an answer to the questions I asked you.
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There's no point in answering your questions.
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Not having a point
has never stopped you from commenting before.
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by MDC on Feb 24, 2012 1:24 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Not having a point seems to be your only point
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I was being devious
By saying checkered, I meant terrible. Look at the skill players drafted from USC in the last 30 years.
QBs from USC: Mark Sanchez, John David Booty, Carson Palmer, Hot Tub Matt, Rodney Peete, Matt Cassel, Rob Johnson, Kyle Wachholtz, Pat O’Hara, TODD MARINOVICH, Aaron Emanuel
RBs from USC: Reggie Bush, Joe McKnight, LenDale White, Stanley Havili, Chancy Washington, Allen Bradford, Stafon Johnson, Chad Morgan, Justin Fargas, Malaefou MacKenzie, Chad Morton, Zeph Lee, Michael Harper, MARCUS ALLEN
WRs: Mike Williams, Keary Colbert, Windrell Hayes, R. JAY SOWARD, Billy Miller, Larry Parker, Chris Miller, KEYSHAWN JOHNSON, Edward Hervey, JOHNNIE MORTON, Travis Hannah, Jeff Simmons, CURTIS CONWAY, Mazio Royster, Raoul Spears, Scott Lockwood, Gary Wellman, Erik Affholter, Dwayne Jarrett, Steve Smith, Patrick Turner, David Ausberry, Ronald Johnson, Damian Williams, Kareem Kelly
So basically in 30 years you get one stud in Marcus Allen, one decent QB in Carson Palmer, and one overrated big mouth in Keyshawn Johnson. The rest of them are busts.
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by DaGoaT on Feb 23, 2012 8:11 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
and to clarify
I will not be upset to draft someone like Randle, because if they draft him they obviously see something. What I mean is when choosing between prospects I will usually not pick the guy from a program like USC or LSU who do not have a history of success in developing pro prospects, or who have a trend of character issues. It doesn’t make them undraftable, but it makes someone else with similar physical potential more attractive to me.
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by DaGoaT on Feb 23, 2012 8:14 AM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Haha!
What a waste of time, LULZ!
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What is a waste
The air you are breathing, or the time you spent on this amazingly detailed retort?
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by DaGoaT on Feb 23, 2012 9:10 AM CST up reply actions 5 recs
Good point, although they produce good defensive players
Brian Cushing, Clay Matthews, Troy Polamalu, etc.
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without a doubt
I was only referring to the offensive skill players.
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That's a fair point, actually
And I definitely misspoke. Blackmon wasn’t a highly recruited WR; #10 in the state of Oklahoma. Meanwhile, Randle was the #1 WR and #2 overall recruit in the nation at the time. So, yeah, I can see why they wound up where they did.
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by AllenOU on Feb 22, 2012 7:16 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Dant hate it, but Randle is such a question mark.
It does feel good to know as a fan that I can trust our talent evaluation. Makes the draft more exciting bc as I read these articles all I think is: “I cant wait to see who Kubes/Wade believes in.”
Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!
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Dont*
damn it
Rectum!? Damn near killed 'em!!!
by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 22, 2012 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
That'd be three of the last four for him.
And he even threw Kareem’s name in the mix in 2010. I’m starting to think Rick Smith is one of his sources.
BRB said Kareem Jackson too.....
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by TexansDC on Feb 22, 2012 2:58 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Another person, IIRC, who had the Kareem Jackson-to-Houston mock
ESPN’s Michael Smith (who has been money on draft coverage the past few years).
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Actually, I'm thinkin Rick Smith may give his ear to LZ
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by professortex on Feb 22, 2012 9:49 PM CST up reply actions
I could've sworn he had Konz listed to us.
Not Randle.
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Randle is his most current one, too.
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On the latest mock he had Randly to us and came to BRB to defend the pick as some ridiculed it.
we have the luxury
Of picking a player with huge upside at the end of the first. I think we will def go bpa in first. We do not have any glaring holes. Don’t forget before schaub went down we where averaging 27 a game.
by TexansForLife on Feb 22, 2012 2:37 PM CST via mobile reply actions
I am not opposed at all to Randle if the Texans think he is a No. 1 in the making.
I think if the board shook out like that though, I’d probably go with Fletcher Cox.
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Someone put this guy in the front office
Cox will likely go higher….but if he falls….
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I like Fletcher Cox as a prospect quite a bit.
However, I think that after the combine, the guy is going in the top 20. There’s almost nothing to dislike about the guy.
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Supposedly
Cox will run a 4.6-4.7. Oh my.
Maybe we will buck the trend and trade up.
Or just sign okoye back lol
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by AllenOU on Feb 22, 2012 4:36 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
He's a smaller Watt in terms of prospects, IMO.
Big, strong, fast, intelligent, all with a relentless motor.
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by krkenney on Feb 22, 2012 4:38 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Rec'd for "high motor"
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If we signed Okoye...
Would we have to pay him a 2012 salary and still suffer the cap hit from his dead money? Because that would add insult to injury.
That's like adding an insult
after two injuries, followed by another insult, and then a gigantic kick in the nuts followed by an insult.
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by Foster Child on Feb 22, 2012 5:56 PM CST up reply actions
I heard that 4.6 is the rumor and did a spit take
Good lord is that an athletic man.
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If I'm taking a risk on a WR in the 1st round, I'd rather take it on Jeffery than Randle.
Jeffery has at least had big production in the SEC.
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His 2011 production wasn't too shabby, actually.
8 TDs, 17.2 YPC, and 42% of his team’s receiving yards. It’s not dominant on a sheer numbers basis, but it’s certainly not a negative. He shows a nose for the end-zone, big play potential, and the ability to succeed in a run-first offense. He’s not far off of Julio Jones’ college resume.
Yeah, it's close to a toss-up.
I don’t really like either one in the first round.
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Not to mention he was doing that with a QB that had a breathalyzer on his helmet
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by The Night Owl on Feb 22, 2012 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
TUI?
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agree 100%
at least until after the combine
by HigherFrequency on Feb 22, 2012 9:50 PM CST up reply actions
Meh.
Maybe I’m jaded, but I want defense here. I have a sneaking suspicion that Houston may take Alameda Ta’Amu at 26 if they don’t trade out of the round altogether (this is the first idea I’ve heard John McClain put out there in about ten years that not only makes sense, but doesn’t make me seethe with rage).
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I'm with you
Real defense, coupled with the fact that few teams play great-to-elite defense, is what I want. I want to frustrate quarterbacks and break their wills….as opposed to scoring 40.
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I'll believe NT in the first round when I see it
IMO the texans feel a NT is a 2 down player which you can find in rounds 2-5 and not have to pay him as much.
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by AllenOU on Feb 22, 2012 4:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
This is why I like players like Fletcher Cox and Derek Wolfe for Houston.
They have the size and versatility to play inside or outside and could play nose in our base formation or rotate in at DT in the same spots as Watt and Smith.
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I want to be really clear:
I think that we are a couple of depth players away from having bar-none the best defensive line in the league, especially on third downs. Even better than the New York Giants.
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Not like you have to pay 1st rounders a lot anymore
Maybe that sways them if Big Poe is there?
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tbh
We only gave Wade one season to get his players. I would not be surprised if they gave him some more this year to continue molding guys into his system. Just because they say they are happy with guys like Cody and KJ, doesn’t mean Wade isn’t asking for upgrades behind closed doors.
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I agree with Banks assessment of us being thin at WR when Andre goes down, but...
if either Watt or Smith go down, we’ll find out we are just as thin on the defensive line.
Genuinely LOL'd.
this is the first idea I’ve heard John McClain put out there in about ten years that not only makes sense, but doesn’t make me seethe with rage.
by willieboyd on Feb 22, 2012 4:55 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
lulz
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by Barryfromtexas on Feb 22, 2012 6:05 PM CST up reply actions
Of everything I have heard so far
I want Fleener. I think if you could get Arian, Andre, Fleener, Daniels, THOR, and an upgraded WR2 then the Texans would have no excuse to not score 30 points every game.
I'm not trying to be rude, but I don't understand this at all.
1. I think Daniels is a top 10 TE.
2. I think if we’d actually use him, Casey is better than Daniels.
3. I think Garrett Graham is a clone of Daniels.
What advantage is conferred to the Texans if they draft a 4th TE?
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I want Casey to be a FB
so I don’t look at him as a TE, and I think having a 6’6 TE opposite OD would be amazing in the red zone. I haven’t seen enough to Graham to really have an opinion about him, but I do know that he is regarded as undersized for a TE, with Fleener, you would have a HUGE TE and I don’t know 100% how well he blocks but I have to imagine he can learn to be at least decent blocking and he would be a better red zone threat than Graham would ever be. And ike I said, I want Casey to be a FB who can catch balls out of the backfield since Vickers really isn’t capable of it. You throw that many weapons at an opposing d and there will be mismatches.
by Bobbythegreat on Feb 22, 2012 3:47 PM CST up reply actions
Ah, I understand. I disagree, but I understand.
I know part of the issue was that just as Foster was getting healthy, Casey tore his pec, but our running game seemed to do MUCH better with Vickers on the field, and the “fullback by committee” doesn’t make much sense because whenever we put Casey in the backfield in the late season, the other team knew we were going to pass the ball.
I don’t know. I watch Casey and I see a guy with the sort of physical talent to compete with the likes of Jimmy Graham, Jermichael Finley, and Vernon Davis. Elite athleticism, elite hands, and great toughness. With the enormous amount of cap space OD is going to take up this offseason, I honestly wouldn’t mind letting him go and moving forward with Casey as our #1 TE and trying to re-sign Dreessen on the cheap.
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Dreessen may not be that cheap.
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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 22, 2012 4:00 PM CST up reply actions
I understand that, as well. In the alternative, maybe it's time for Kubiak to give up his love affair with TEs.
Make the tough choice, press forward with Casey as the starter (cut OD) and Graham as the back-up. If Hill is healthy and in-shape, bring him back in as the 3rd TE to be used in big sets and as an emergency pass-catcher (Hill was 6’7, mind you, and his one catch in the regular season was reminiscent of David Anderson’s epic lone catch in HIS rookie season).
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The offense
is set around having good TE’s, that’s why we always need them.
by Bobbythegreat on Feb 22, 2012 4:05 PM CST up reply actions
I see what you are saying
but I don’t agree with it. I think that any amount of blocking ability Casey gives up compared to Vickers, he makes up for it in being an offensive weapon himself. When you have the RB head to one flat, and Casey head to the other, the D has to sell out for one of them and the other will burn you. If you bring safety help, Andre Johnson will burn you. I think Casey can do more good for the offense as a FB, so that’s why I want him there. I just think Fleener would add something really amazing to the Texans in the red zone.
by Bobbythegreat on Feb 22, 2012 4:05 PM CST up reply actions
vickers is a better option for a running attack
but Casey is a better option if you are passing. They were alternating at first, then Casey got injured. By the time he came back, Schaub was down and they were emphasizing the run to protect TJ
I think the difference
between Casey and Vickers in the running attack is negligible. Casey’s ability to catch the ball far compensates for it.
by Bobbythegreat on Feb 22, 2012 4:06 PM CST up reply actions
He didn't "recover" though, if you're referring to Casey.
He still had a torn pec. He wasn’t put out for the season, but had to wear a shoulder harness just to get on the field, and that affected his ability to extend for catches or engage players while blocking.
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Because it was a really serious injury
I doubt he was back to 100%, also Vickers was on a roll, you stick with the hot hand. I think Vickers more than proved last year that he is not an actual threat to catch the ball, Vickers is. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Casey win the job in camp this year.
by Bobbythegreat on Feb 22, 2012 4:14 PM CST up reply actions
Vickers is not a better blocker than Casey
He may have “blown up” a few more guys – but I saw time and time again missed blocks by Vickers in key situations that would shut down drives. Vickers doesn’t seem to read defenses well and changes as the play develops. He is one of those guys that goes to where the X is in the playbook – if the defenses is there – he makes a block, if not – that guy is NOT getting blocked.
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by Barryfromtexas on Feb 22, 2012 6:13 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
i saw the same thing.
hopefully he was just getting used to the system. there were tons of big gains to be had if you just stopped running into the o-line or blocking the right guy.
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by NoSafetiesNeeded on Feb 22, 2012 11:34 PM CST up reply actions
Daniels has been hurt way to much for me to rely on having him
and both Casey and Dreesen had significant injury time last year. Never caught sight of Graham, which worries me. I would like to see formations with AJ, two TE’s, and Casey at FB. Only leaves Graham for relief and injury problems.
If we're going to keep up with TEs, I'd like to see us do a TE bunch formation.
Have Foster line-up as the single set back, AJ out wide, with Dreesen, Daniels and Casey bunched. You could motion Casey into the backfield as lead blocker, have a default jumbo set to the strong side, or even play with some tackle eligible stuff and have Dreessen replaced by Rashad Butler.
This formation seems so obvious to me that I get mad that they don’t ever run it.
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well thats the hope behind drafting another TE
to give us a little depth, and allow us to do that.
I don't understand... we had four TEs this year. Why would drafting another one suddenly make them do what they weren't?
The issue clearly wasn’t depth, as they had no qualms with using any of the top 3 guys.
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most of the year, only one of the 3 was healthy
many times they were playing with minor injuries. In that case you dont want to put them all on the field and risk even more injury.
A guy like Fleener
is more quality depth than a guy like Dreesen, the Texans have a lot of undersized TE’s and not many that are big enough to be really good blockers.
by Bobbythegreat on Feb 22, 2012 4:19 PM CST up reply actions
I'm starting to wonder more about TE's in general in the league
This is just an initial impression, but it seems to me they are getting overvalued with all the hype in the past year. Not that they aren’t useful so much as they aren’t that rare.
To put it another way – if you read around the league you get the impression that Gates, Gronk, Aaron Hernandez, Jermichael Finley, OD, Vernon Davis, Jimmy Graham, Jermaine Gresham and Witten are all “Top 5 Tight Ends”…which I’m pretty sure is mathematically impossible. And that is leaving off some old favorites like Tony Gonzalez, Dallas Clark, Marcedes Lewis, Chris Cooley, Zach Miller and Kellen Winslow who have been productive the last few years (at least at times).
Is there really that much deviation between tight ends in the league? I started off really liking Fleener, but it seems like damn near every team has an athletic TE and the difference in production between Jimmy Graham and Dustin Keller has as much to do with system and QB play as it does ability.
Anybody else notice this or am I crazy?
You're not crazy.
I think the issue is more that the effectiveness of the TE position is only just now being realized as an impossible match-up with common defensive sets, rather than any one guy or group of guys just being THAT great.
I mean, I don’t think Gronkowski is the best TE to ever play the game. I just think Belichick is really smart.
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Makes sense
and I’m thinking of this more along the lines of “shouldn’t we be focusing on athletic LB/S’s who can cover this emerging group of atheletic TE’s?”
by Jason Brown on Feb 22, 2012 4:19 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with this completely.
Let’s get ahead of the curve.
I think if a team was really diligent, they would be seeking out players like Taylor Mays and William Moore (this year’s draft has George Iloka); guys with the size to not be bullied by a TE and the speed to stay in coverage.
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I'm calling it the nickel safety
and it makes sense for guys like Moore and Mays who probably shouldn’t be playing many snaps in deep coverage…but can run all over the place within 20 yards of LOS. I guess in a way that’s how we use Quin some
It's the way we used Quin, but Quin is like all our corners: small.
Quin’s one of my favorite players, but he should be playing corner right now.
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If we're going to get ahead of the curve, our first priority better be WR.
Andre is aging and he gets hurt a lot. We currently have no one ready to step up and be a threat at WR1.
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Well, I meant on defense.
I also think this is the deepest draft in 10 to 15 years for WRs. I think we could take two guys in the middle rounds and be fine.
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Once Mario leaves
We will have the cap to sign a WR2
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I've been working it to the TEs in Madden for years now.
Does that make me an offensive powermind?
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I know what you are saying
but the Texans are a team that run a system that emphasizes TE play. If you have really good TE’s, the offense runs more smoothly. Give the Texans a giant, freakishly athletic TE like Fleener and I will guarantee you that he puts up huge numbers along with adding to the numbers of Daniels and Foster.
by Bobbythegreat on Feb 22, 2012 4:17 PM CST up reply actions
True but
we also seem to be able to find TE’s in the 4th round or later
That is true
but all of the TE’s that we currently have are undersized which is why they were passed on. We run a system that treats TE’s almost like WR’s a lot of the time, plus you don’t have to be big to cut block, I was just saying if you had a guy with the size to be a legit traditional TE with the athleticism of a TE of our scheme, he would add a whole lot to the team.
by Bobbythegreat on Feb 22, 2012 4:21 PM CST up reply actions
Admittedly
that is what makes Fleener so interesting to me, but it’s the 1st round price tag that I stumble on. A 2 or 3 sure you could talk me into…but I’m a big fan of stockpiling both sides of the line first and foremost
Yeah, I agree
we would be spending a lot on TE’s if we were paying him as a first rounder, but I just think he would cause so many problems in the red zone it would be worth it
by Bobbythegreat on Feb 22, 2012 4:25 PM CST up reply actions
yes, but I wouldnt be opposed to taking one in the first if we felt he was special
I like Fleener, and am not opposed to taking him, but really I would prefer us taking one of the very quick DE/DT guys like Fletcher Cox
I could see that too
but I think we could get a guy in the later rounds for that because our defense was one of the best in the league even without Mario, I think the offense could use the extra bump that Fleener would provide.
by Bobbythegreat on Feb 22, 2012 4:26 PM CST up reply actions
Realize that our defense had very few injuries last year.
Watt, Cody, Smith, Barwin, Cushing, Ryans and Quin started all 16 games. Joseph started 15, Manning and Kareem started 13 and Reed started 11.
Aside from Mario we were basically injury free. Our defensive line, in particular, had no injuries except for Bulman. This probably won’t happen again.
On offense, it was injury Armageddon. Schaub, AJ and Foster played together for one quarter.
Yeah
that means half the time, we didn’t score 27 points, I was saying that we should NEVER score less than 30, that is a significant increase in offensive output.
by Bobbythegreat on Feb 22, 2012 5:05 PM CST up reply actions
Here's the thing.
Upgrade WR2 and TE. If Schaub goes down we still wouldn’t average 27 with Yates.
That’s why I want to spend the picks to ensure the defense stays dominant. It’s the more reliable unit to me.
Probably wouldn't average 30 over a full season with Schaub, either.
Quarterbacks whose teams have accomplished that feet recently: Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Tom Brady. You’re only gonna score like that by airing it out with an elite QB. I don’t think we can or will do that.
I think we could score that way due
to our system as long as Schaub can return to form. Schaub is a 4000 yard type QB just like Rodgers, Brees, or Brady with the right tools, I could see the Texans scoring just like the Packers, Saints, or Pats.
by Bobbythegreat on Feb 22, 2012 5:27 PM CST up reply actions
In a perfect world
I would want Fleener in the first, a WR in the second, and some kind of DE/OLB in the third.
In a perfect world, we wouldn't know what the hell we'd want cause we wouldn't have any holes on the team
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by The Night Owl on Feb 22, 2012 5:25 PM CST up reply actions
I say our draft criteria needs to be "high-motor"
Instead of BPA, new acronym should be BHMPA. Who will be the BHMPA at #26?
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Can he block on running plays?
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by Foster Child on Feb 22, 2012 5:58 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That's more endurance than high-motor
Maybe make him a kick returner and have him run all over the filed and wear out the D? Just a thought.
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Must be the hair
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whatever it is, he is the image definition of high motor
True arrogance has been displayed here- WestministerRavensfan or something
Hi My name is Jack, why don't you help me off?
and also
the answer to the ultimate question
by Jason Brown on Feb 22, 2012 9:23 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
Rec
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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 22, 2012 9:33 PM CST up reply actions
Actually, Shaub could probably just throw him with the ball to the endzone...
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by Foster Child on Feb 22, 2012 7:17 PM CST up reply actions
/reads above twice
/scratches head
/reads again…
/decides at least one of us has been drinking too much :)
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by Barryfromtexas on Feb 22, 2012 7:19 PM CST up reply actions
/reads above twice
/scratches head
/reads again…
/decides at least one of us has been drinking too much :)
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by Barryfromtexas on Feb 22, 2012 7:19 PM CST up reply actions
'Cause he's so skinny...get it?
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by Foster Child on Feb 22, 2012 7:34 PM CST up reply actions
Ah, OK
I thought you a word or something
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by Barryfromtexas on Feb 22, 2012 7:38 PM CST up reply actions
Picture this:
Shaub hands the dude the ball, then picks him up and throws him like a javelin to the endzone! The perfect trick play.
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by Foster Child on Feb 22, 2012 7:45 PM CST up reply actions
Fuck.
I’m more confused than ever, now.
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Have a bacon one to celebrate!
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by Barryfromtexas on Feb 22, 2012 7:49 PM CST up reply actions
As Emily Latella would say,
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by Foster Child on Feb 22, 2012 8:04 PM CST up reply actions
Long as the dude maintains control.
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by professortex on Feb 22, 2012 10:04 PM CST up reply actions
aou'd
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by NoSafetiesNeeded on Feb 22, 2012 11:34 PM CST up reply actions
I like Stephen Hill
I just think after the combine dude is gonna fly up the boards.
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posted this in the last Mock Draft post
1st Fleener TE
2. Stephen Hill WR(unless his stock skyrockets after the combine, which i think it will, then take him in the first)
3. Nick Jean-Baptiste NoseTackle (fell in love with this guy watching Baylor)
4. Chris Molk C
5. Frank Alexander DE/OLB
6 Kevin Reddick ILB
7.Antoine McClain OG
Baptiste in the 3rd will be reaching
He’s the 4th best NT, but there’s a bunch of DTs that will go ahead of him. He most likely will still be around in the 4th or 5th round
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 22, 2012 5:45 PM CST up reply actions
I think if the other three NT's go
the Texans will panic and lock up their guy. Still a steal in my opinion.
Chapman could still be around in the 3rd since he's coming off ACL surgery
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 22, 2012 5:49 PM CST up reply actions
I think Indy would target another DT before Chapman
They could go after Brandon Thompson, Fletcher Cox, or Jerel Worthy in the 2nd
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 22, 2012 6:00 PM CST up reply actions
Wouldn't a WR/TE
or any offensive weapon for Luck to play with make more sense in the second?
Also I was under the impression that Indy was converting to 3-4 34/4-3 hybrid under their new HC.
Spagnuolo is a 4-3 coach
Remember he put together the Giants defense, which uses a lot of DEs, & he ran a 4-3 in St. Louis
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 22, 2012 6:27 PM CST up reply actions
Well then, if that's the case, who says they won't go after Poe in the 2nd round?
The WR class is deep after all
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 22, 2012 7:12 PM CST up reply actions
Cox will rise after the combine, but sag after the initial excitement is over.
A sharp tongue is the only edged tool that grows keener with constant use.--Washington Irving
by Foster Child on Feb 22, 2012 7:00 PM CST up reply actions
twss
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
I am Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on Feb 22, 2012 7:02 PM CST up reply actions
I am sure he knew what he did
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
I am Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on Feb 22, 2012 7:13 PM CST up reply actions
That's what you call an "assist".
A sharp tongue is the only edged tool that grows keener with constant use.--Washington Irving
by Foster Child on Feb 22, 2012 7:15 PM CST up reply actions
Or setup
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
I am Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on Feb 22, 2012 7:20 PM CST up reply actions
You can go ahead and call me Bud Abbott or Dean Martin if ya want
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by Foster Child on Feb 22, 2012 7:32 PM CST up reply actions
I really don't remember much about the Dean Martin Show
(he probably doesn’t either)
I just remember I loved to watch it when I was a kid
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
I am Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on Feb 22, 2012 7:39 PM CST up reply actions
I'm thinking of the Martin/Lewis days
when Martin was the straight man.
A sharp tongue is the only edged tool that grows keener with constant use.--Washington Irving
by Foster Child on Feb 22, 2012 7:46 PM CST up reply actions
Much better that Jerry Lewis Movies w/o Dean Martin
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
I am Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on Feb 22, 2012 7:47 PM CST up reply actions
MUCH better.
A sharp tongue is the only edged tool that grows keener with constant use.--Washington Irving
by Foster Child on Feb 22, 2012 8:06 PM CST up reply actions
Baptiste looked strong in his All-Star senior game.
Damn strong.
And NTs are always hard to come by with the number of 3-4 defenses run.
"Lord, beer me strength."
I don't think so
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
Our Andre, who art from Heaven, hallowed by thy name.
Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on Earth as it is in Canton.
I considerd putting Mercilus or Perry
but Ima just keep assuming he stays til he inevitably breaks houstons collective heart by leaving..(and if he has to leave joining the Bills! )
You mean David Molk?
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No worries
Just wanted to make sure.
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WOOOOO
Ricky Seals-Jones committed to Texas!
and the clouds opened up and God said "I Hate you Texans Fans."
Our Andre, who art from Heaven, hallowed by thy name.
Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on Earth as it is in Canton.
by Joe25 on Feb 22, 2012 5:47 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I like any pick that isn't Jeffery or Sanu.... so far
True arrogance has been displayed here- WestministerRavensfan or something
Hi My name is Jack, why don't you help me off?
We've hashed this shit over so much now, I don't know what to think.
How ’bout we take a long snapper?
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
Think Weeks will ask for too much?
Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.
"Will it never be noon?" Duke of Orleans to the Dauphin and Constable of France every Sunday before the Texans play.
by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 22, 2012 8:56 PM CST up reply actions
$0 dollar base salary...
With an incentive clause that gives him $500,000 for each meaningless game he blows by snapping the ball over the QB’s head on a two-point conversion.
Of course, it would be classified as “likely to occur” based on past performance, and so we’d still take the cap hit.
Huh?
The BESF game? I’m pretty sure that wasn’t Weeks.
Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.
"Will it never be noon?" Duke of Orleans to the Dauphin and Constable of France every Sunday before the Texans play.
by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 22, 2012 10:02 PM CST up reply actions
Oh shit, really?
I thought I remembered it being our long-snapper.
I stand corrected.
Straight from Urban Christian News (no idea why, though).
With their position secured and nothing to lose but more players to injury, coach Gary Kubiak called for a 2-point conversion to avoid overtime and win the game in regulation.
“You would never go for 2 there in any other situation,” Kubiak said. “But where we were physically, at the end of the game, I had a tight end (Garrett Graham) playing linebacker. Our team, I had to get them to next week.”
But tight end Joel Dreessen was flagged for illegal motion, and then backup center Thomas Austin flipped the snap over Delhomme’s head and the game was over.
Weeks can't ask for anything.
He’s an ERFA. He gets $540K if the Texans want to keep him.
I have not yet begun to defile myself.
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Fine, ruin the joke with your "facts."
Dallas Cowboys, all hat and no cattle since 1996.
"Will it never be noon?" Duke of Orleans to the Dauphin and Constable of France every Sunday before the Texans play.
by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 22, 2012 10:46 PM CST up reply actions
Also
the Easter Bunny isn’t real.
I have not yet begun to defile myself.
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I am all ears
Waiting to hear this explanation
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
I am Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on Feb 22, 2012 11:08 PM CST up reply actions
It's a conspiracy
propagated by the Peeps-industrial complex.
I have not yet begun to defile myself.
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I saw the Easter
Bunny once, of course it was in August, but I didn’t question it at the time.
by Bobbythegreat on Feb 22, 2012 11:18 PM CST up reply actions
I think you were just chasing rabbits
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
I am Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on Feb 22, 2012 11:20 PM CST up reply actions
There is a good chance that
it wasn’t real, I also saw an airplane with a tail like a dolphin once. As a matter of fact, I wasn’t the only one who saw it, a friend of mine saw it as well. I had a lot of years where my activities were questionable to say the least.
by Bobbythegreat on Feb 22, 2012 11:22 PM CST up reply actions
/tents fingers
Eggselent!
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
I am Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on Feb 22, 2012 11:24 PM CST up reply actions
Nooooooo!
Oh sure, and next you’ll say Santa Clause isn’t real either. Shows what you know.
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Feb 23, 2012 9:27 AM CST up reply actions
No, he's real.
He just sucks because he can’t do even one lousy pushup.
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Can he play NT?
True arrogance has been displayed here- WestministerRavensfan or something
Hi My name is Jack, why don't you help me off?
I'd be cool with taking Randle in the first round.
The more I see and read about him, the more I like him. I’m still holding out for Jeffrey, but at the rate he’s sliding, he might be available when our second pick rolls around.
The bird is struggling out of the egg. The egg is the world. Whoever wants to be born, must first destroy a world.
by Stupendous Man on Feb 22, 2012 8:20 PM CST via mobile reply actions
If we take Randle
there’s no chance (or reason) that we would take Jeffery as well.
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Correct.
My point was, with Jeffrey perhaps available in the second round, a different position of need could be addressed in the first. I’m hoping for Poe, if that’s the case.
The bird is struggling out of the egg. The egg is the world. Whoever wants to be born, must first destroy a world.
by Stupendous Man on Feb 22, 2012 9:02 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ah, ok.
I read your first post wrong. My bad.
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I probably could have worded it better.
The bird is struggling out of the egg. The egg is the world. Whoever wants to be born, must first destroy a world.
by Stupendous Man on Feb 22, 2012 9:12 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
wow on jj watt comments from last year
I guess from now on its hard to take any comments or analysis seriously from those that threw all there “f” bombs out and poopoo’d that pick so viciously. I guess the Texans mgmt knows what there doing after all
by Hangbok on Feb 22, 2012 8:42 PM CST via mobile reply actions
What is really funny
Is that UT seemed the most upset – later he is the blogger that interviews JJ Watt!
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
I am Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on Feb 22, 2012 8:43 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I guess I forgot I didn't take too well to the pick.
I can admit when I’m wrong. And I was quite wrong. Although in my defense, I usually make more rational decisions when I have a chance to step back and look at the pick more objectively.
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Supreme Galactic Editor of Battle Red Onion.
I am a visionary, I am a genius, and now I am angry! Now where are those pants at?!
by UprootedTexan on Feb 22, 2012 8:53 PM CST up reply actions
We all do things that don't make much sense now and again
It makes things interesting!
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
I am Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on Feb 22, 2012 8:55 PM CST up reply actions
that is funny but ...
It is also a little sad to see people get so nasty about something they apparently did not fully understand…but hey this all fun and games right…I mean this is a fun outlet for me and I hope for everybody as well…much more so now when the team we love is moving up in the world
by Hangbok on Feb 22, 2012 8:54 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Context is also necessary
I was pissed because they’d committed to Mario playing DE by any and all accounts. So, in drafting a DE, they were basically telling Mario he was done as a Texan.
Of course, when they moved Mario to OLB, everything changed. Once that was announced, it’s safe to say many opinions changed immediately.
A Texans fan. Really. No, I'm not kidding.
http://www.battleredblog.com
"Blind fandom is all I got left." - LoneSpot
and yet
Mario may well be done as a Texan
/hoes not
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
I am Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on Feb 22, 2012 8:56 PM CST up reply actions
lol *hoes maybe - but I meant hopes
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
I am Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on Feb 22, 2012 8:57 PM CST up reply actions
Of course hoes are not done being Texans
They are everywhere.
Madame de Staël once said, "One must choose in life between boredom and suffering." De Staël is dead but there is always an alternative.
This is where the cool is.
Then they drafted Brooks Reed...
And took away Mario’s other position, solidifying the see ya!
Not necessarily
But true. I had no problem, Mario or not, taking depth with that pick, and I loved Reed’s 10 split from the beginning.
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by bigfatdrunk on Feb 22, 2012 10:19 PM CST up reply actions
Loved the Watt pick
because I assumed it meant Mario at OLB.
Hated the Reed pick because it seemed unnecessary ahead of other needs.
So, I batted .500. Hello Hall of Fame!
I have not yet begun to defile myself.
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You should have just said you battled
Then we all would have understood :)
"Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them." - George Orwell
I am Barry - I am from Texas
by Barryfromtexas on Feb 22, 2012 10:48 PM CST up reply actions
r u the same MDC
Who wrote “wow…way to fucking fuck up an unfuckupable pick” right after the selection was made?
by Hangbok on Feb 22, 2012 11:26 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ha.
I did say that at 9:07.
By 9:11, I was on board. Just caught me off guard originally.
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There is always irrational amounts
of anger on draft night, and some quite rational anger.
by Bobbythegreat on Feb 22, 2012 11:42 PM CST up reply actions
Nope.
I was momentarily baffled, then became physically aroused at the idea of Mario Williams, OLB.
Contrast this with 2009, when I cursed Jesus for the Cushing pick.
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u righted the ship of discontent
Just in time :) good whits on the comment too…well if they stand up Mario…
by Hangbok on Feb 22, 2012 11:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Cut Walter, Jacoby, and Bryant Johnson to free up cap room and rebuild the receiving corp
Alshon Jeffery in the 1st
Josh Chapman in the 2nd
Tommy Streeter or Stephen Hill in the 3rd
David Molk in the 4th
Marquis Maze in the 5th
This plan gives us some breathing room to resign Mario, Foster, Dreesen, and Myers while giving us an outstanding young crop of talent ranging from future number 1’s to lanky deep threats to speedy slot receivers/returners. Pittsburgh reinvented their receivers a couple years ago with a new, young batch of guys that turned out to be pretty damn good. We can do the same.
hmmm... let me give it a take.
Alshon jefferey
Josh chapman
Jonathan Massaquoi
Ryan Broyles
Ladrius Green
Vick Ballard
2012 1st round draft pick is...............
My mock:
Round 1, Pick 26 | Fletcher Cox, NT, Mississippi State
Round 2, Pick 58 | Nick Toon, WR, Wisconsin
Round 3, Pick 90 | Derek Wolfe, DE, Cincinnati
Round 4, Pick 125 | Senio Kelemete, OG, Washington
Round 5, Pick 164 | T.Y. Hilton, WR, Florida International
Round 6, Pick 196 | Adrian Hamilton, OLB, Prairie View A&M
Round 7, Pick 235 | Kelcie McCray, SS, Arkansas State
Welcome to Houston, J.J. Watt, Brooks Reed, Brandon Harris, Rashad Carmichael, Shiloh Keo, T.J. Yates, Derek Newton, and Cheta Ozougwu!
by krkenney on Feb 23, 2012 9:58 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
is TY Hilton the guy who will run 4.3, or the big guy
@THEREALALLENOU on twitter - "The man, the verb, the legend" OU'd
Little guy who will run a 4.3. A gadget player; IMO a more complete version of what the coaches hoped for in Jacoby and Holliday.
Welcome to Houston, J.J. Watt, Brooks Reed, Brandon Harris, Rashad Carmichael, Shiloh Keo, T.J. Yates, Derek Newton, and Cheta Ozougwu!
You think outside the box and I greatly appreciate that
Also, this class isn’t half bad….although you certainly lean to the smaller schools later on. Hoping to find those gems?
"Lord, beer me strength."
That McCray pick
could be a steal. Kid is a beast, at least in the Sun Belt conference. 6-2/200, sub-4.5 (with rumors of a sub-4.4 ability).
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Well, reagarding the three small-school guys I mocked to us in rounds 5-7...
… Hilton is an extremely dynamic athlete who has a lot of potential as a deep threat and especially as a return specialist. I see him and I see a better-prepared, more mature Jacoby Jones. He was a team leader who was, at times, his team’s entire offense. He’s fast, shifty, and has surprisingly good hands and routes for someone whose skill set and background usually indicate otherwise.
Hamilton is an animal. He was originally a scholarship player to Oklahoma State. I don’t know the circumstances behind his transfer down to Prairie View, but he had 22 sacks in 2011 alone. He’s 6’2, 255 lbs, and has 32.5" arms. For playing at a lower-level college against demonstrably inferior talent, he appears to have a fairly respectable arsenal of pass-rush moves.
As far as McCray, I saw him play in one game, looked up his measurables, and fell in love with the guy as a prospect.
Welcome to Houston, J.J. Watt, Brooks Reed, Brandon Harris, Rashad Carmichael, Shiloh Keo, T.J. Yates, Derek Newton, and Cheta Ozougwu!
Haven't seen the other two
but I’m with you on McCray.
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I like it
Although for some reason I think Toon won’t be available at 58. If we want a decent receiver, we may have to take him or Randle first and then take the NT (Poe/Ta’amu/Cox) in round 2.
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ding ding ding ding
at least for the first three. Dont know much about the others, but I think you are targeted the positions we need there.
Cosigned.
Although other than the first three I don’t know any of them.
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