Jacoby Jones: Snapshots In Time
by riversmccown on Feb 3, 2012 10:00 AM CST
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PrintI've been thinking about Jacoby Jones' defining moment a lot lately.
Isn't it funny how quickly a player can change everything we think about him in the football world? NFL players, at this point of time in Americana, usually are playing football for around a decade of time before they are drafted. Hopes, dreams, sacrifice, and hard work. For both their families and them. Yet with one major gaffe at a bad time, they can become complete laughingstocks.
Once Jones fumbled away seven points to the Ravens, it completely shifted the perception that fans had of him. Oh sure, I imagine most people had the mercurial label on him long before that, but this was the play that cemented how he'll be thought of. Dangerous returner? Well, not when it counted. The fact that Jones has been returning punts (for the most part) well since 2007 no longer matters, and the fact that he was leading NFL receivers in YAC+ as of Week 14 doesn't either. Screwing up in a game is one thing -- essentially ending the miracle run of a team's first playoff berth is another.
I don't necessarily hold out hope that Jones is going to reverse this narrative. He's been here for five seasons, which is right around the actual shelf life of most punt returners. However, I wanted to contrast this scenario to a few other moments in time in which Texans fans (myself included) let one play dominate the discourse about a player. To their detriment.
Remember this play? Ragdoll. Chris Myers, the man we all want to re-sign. In fact, the man some people would place as a higher priority than either Arian Foster or Mario Williams. The fact that this play happened completely dominated the discourse about Myers for the better part of a year-and-a-half. While I still would say that he is a below-average pass blocker based on his physicality and can be abused by big noses one-on-one, I think you'd be lying to yourself if you don't think he's one of the ten best centers in the NFL.
But there was one play in which he looked particularly awful, and one day in which he had no chance. That sack by Kris Jenkins was not an outlier on the day -- he trounced Myers all day long in that game, beating him off the line of scrimmage on several snaps and causing havoc for Matt Schaub. Losing to the Jets in a winnable Week 1 home game (on paper) was one of the main reasons the Texans didn't actually make the playoffs in 2009.
Keep an eye on No. 21 in this game, because you'll see him using his speed to chase Santonio Holmes and Braylon Edwards a lot. From behind.
In particular, I would say that the touchdown at 0:28 was a source of much derision. The fact that Brice McCain played so far off the ball on the goal line was inexcusable, and that was probably the easiest touchdown of Mark Sanchez's career. People wanted him cut, people wanted the other corners to play, and this was essentially the last game McCain was given on the outside. After drafting two corners in the 2011 NFL Draft, just about everyone had left him for dead.
2011? McCain was stellar as a nickelback. Of course, part of that is having actual safeties and a scheme that wasn't run by Frank Bush, but I would argue that he played extremely well within the system. He broke up a few passes that I would not have necessarily thought he could get to, and showed a wider skill set than I thought he had.
Again, that's not to say that I necessarily disagree that the Texans should pull the plug on Jacoby Jones. There is a far larger sample size of his work than there was for either of those players at the time, and he has delivered plenty of drops and fumbles to go along with his good plays. I'm just saying that there is a danger in letting one play or game dictate the entire conversation about someone.
I see no reason to change my regular evaluation of him: Jacoby Jones is an adequate fourth receiver and punt returner. He is worth a roster spot. If your team is not throwing the ball downfield, he probably shouldn't see too many offensive snaps. He is error-prone, but he also has shown a tendency to make big plays happen.
No matter the feelings you harbor for him after the playoff game, and in my case they are very bitter, it's hard to really be too mad if he makes the 2012 53-man roster as a low-salaried specialist.
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Excellent Article
We will have to continue to agree to disagree about Jakespeare.
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I agree
JJ will be a good #4 WR. I’d love to bump down KW as the slot receiver, and draft a #2 that can be groomed by AJ.
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What about Walter makes you believe he can be an effective slot receiver?
At 6’3" and 217 his game is predicated on outside run blocking in Kubiak’s system. Moving him inside would accomplish what exactly?
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love the kid.
but will he be able to contribute this year? After next year when he is full strength it will be a good pick. Just dont think he will be able to help this year. It all depends on his recovery.
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he can help this year
but wont be 100% by week one
week 4-6 he should be good
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by Carter Liles on Feb 3, 2012 10:36 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
All you need is grit, man
As long as he’s battlin’ out there
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by FandomEst2002 on Feb 3, 2012 10:37 AM CST up reply actions
Well, I'm hoping that..
The Texans will draft a solid #2 WR. Sure, we can put it all our chips in, and go for a win-now mentality, but … AJ and KW are both turning 31 this year.
Plus, KW’s a lot more reliable than JJ ever will be.
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by FandomEst2002 on Feb 3, 2012 10:42 AM CST up reply actions
If we called it the "#3 WR" instead of "slot" would you be ok with it?
i.e. when Walter comes in he plays on the outside and the #2 (hopefully some badass we draft this year) moves to the slot.
That’s basically how I see this working. Walter probably shouldn’t be on the field quite as much when we have only 2 WR’s out there, and when he does this would best utilize him
No, I wouldn't
Because, once again, the WR2 in Kubiak’s system is an outside run blocker above everything else. The bread and butter of this offense is the outside zone stretch. In order to have an effective outside run game you must have physical receivers that can run block, and that’s what Walter excels at.
Call the position whatever you want. It doesn’t change the fact that Walter would be much less effective on the inside. All the people calling for a better #2 need to consider this. I see names like Reggie Wayne. Does Reggie Wayne block better than Walter? Considering the Colts run game is pretty pathetic, I’d say not even close.
It amazes me how many people don’t get this concept.
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If we go three WR’s walter would be the outside WR.
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It does make more sense but we can post hypotheticals all day on how we want the offense to be designed. That doesn’t make it a reality.
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He's not calling for Walter to play the inside.
by brightshinies on Feb 3, 2012 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
I see that now
Still, he’s a huge contributor in our 2 wide sets also. Especially when he motions down to block on the edge of the line. I guess my point is, if you take Walter off the field you better have someone equally as good at run blocking to replace him. If we draft that guy then fine, but a lot of the recommendations people have been making for 2 years don’t make any sense at all. Randy Moss? Really??
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If the best thing he
brings to the team is run blocking, he isn’t worth what he is going to be paid next year.
by Bobbythegreat on Feb 3, 2012 12:11 PM CST up reply actions
Surely Kubiak can find someone who can play the part of both WR and run blocker consistently
Instead of settling for Jacoby because he can do the latter pretty good.
by brightshinies on Feb 3, 2012 12:21 PM CST up reply actions
I was talking Walter, not Jacoby
He blows. Walter on the other hand is a pretty sure handed receiver that fits Kubiak’s system well. The only reason we don’t get higher receiving production out of him is because he’s not targeted as much as a standard WR2.
I’m all for drafting a stud to replace Jones.
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You don't think that
they could find someone to pretend to be a WR and pass block just as well as Walter could for much less money?
by Bobbythegreat on Feb 3, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions
This
Blocking for a WR isn’t exactly the highest valued attribute so I’m sure we could find someone that other teams would overlook because he isn’t a “burner”.
And playing off my other post below, I wouldn’t be surprised to see more TE slot this next year
Exactly
if run blocking is all that we want them to do, why not just put Garrett Graham out there? I’m sure he could do a good job blocking CB’s.
by Bobbythegreat on Feb 3, 2012 12:25 PM CST up reply actions
About that
Graham and OD have good speed for TE’s. Is Walter actually any faster? He just seems slow as hell to me but I can’t tell if that’s because he is running against CB’s instead of LB’s, or he’s just really really white
Graham runs a 4.7 40
Walter runs a 4.4 40. So yeah, Walter is a little bit faster, but I bet Graham could cut some weight if he was trying to play “run blocking WR” and get it down a bit. Everyone knows that Graham has soft hands and is undersized for a TE, so I think it would make sense.
by Bobbythegreat on Feb 3, 2012 12:31 PM CST up reply actions
Lol
It’s because he’s running against CB’s. He’s got adequate speed but he’s no track star. Funny though, Jacoby is the track star and he usually can’t get open to save his life.
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Eh
Jacoby can get open, he just can’t catch the ball. If Jacoby had Walter’s hands, he would be a great #2 WR.
by Bobbythegreat on Feb 3, 2012 12:38 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with that
Jacoby lacks two things as a receiver. Fluid route running and soft hands. He’s got plenty of top end speed but he doesn’t have the fluid breaks that Andre does. He also doesn’t seem to run his routes all the way through.
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totally agree with that
I forgot which game it was but I know Schaub was playing and Andre was out. Jacoby was targeted like 10 times and only managed one or 2 catches. Shows that he can’t catch and finish his routes
by Zukywich08 on Feb 3, 2012 12:54 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Probably
But that’s not the argument that most people are making. They want a stud deep threat to replace Walter. All I’m arguing is that’s not how Kubiak’s offense is designed. Jones was supposed to be that guy who would spell Andre and come in on 3 wide sets, etc. Well, he sucks and I’m all for replacing him.
Walter has great hands, he’s just not a deep threat like everyone wants. My argument is that he’s much more valuable in Kubiak’s system because of his blocking ability. An ability you don’t find in a lot of starting WRs in the league not named Hines Ward.
Again, it’s about how he fits in this offense, not in the system I play in Madden.
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I think it could work either way actually.
If you had a legit deep threat opposite Andre Johnson, you could run to AJ’s side, he is more than able and willing to block the hell out of CB’s, I think it could lead to a lot of wide open receivers.
by Bobbythegreat on Feb 3, 2012 12:36 PM CST up reply actions
I think he knows this
already, I think he just gameplans using the roster he has, if he had a legit #2 WR, he would use them it’s just not a requirement for his offense.
by Bobbythegreat on Feb 3, 2012 12:47 PM CST up reply actions
Not so
He hand picked Walter exactly for the reasons I’ve mentioned. Walter is Kubiak’s guy. He gushes every time he talks about him.
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Ok well you can say
that we will keep him around because Kubiak loves him, but outside of that there is no reason to pay the guy over 3 mil a year when you are having cap issues. To me Walter is a perfect person to cut and replace for cheaper.
by Bobbythegreat on Feb 3, 2012 12:51 PM CST up reply actions
Agree on the cap hit
That’s why I say if we can find someone cheaper that does exactly what he does then fine, let’s get him. But who’s out there? Honestly, I haven’t looked.
JB mentioned Colston. I’d be all for that but he’s not going to make less than Walter. No way.
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I'd rather have Walter
Colston misses more games than Andre.
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Yeah I'm not Pro-Colston at all
He was the only FA I could think of who could even block, which to me means “we need to draft someone”
I was talking about
a 3rd string TE on our team that could do the job that Walter has to do, certainly there is some cheap WR out there that could do that job for less than a mil a year. If you really wanted to, you could cut both Walter and Jones, save over 6 million dollars and sign Reggie Wayne for 5 and put that TE in occasionally at WR for blocking purposes. The point is that Walter and Jones are not vital to the team, and they should be replaced.
by Bobbythegreat on Feb 3, 2012 1:02 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Reggie Wayne
will cost more than Walter. A 3rd string TE will draw a LB or safety, not helping with your blocking scheme in alot of situations.
I still think the cheapest solution is keeping Walter, cutting Jacoby, and drafting Walter’s eventual replacement. We need youth, not an overpaid street FA who will need to learn the system.
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Really?
I’m talking about changing his position to WR, and you think that they are going to consistently line up a LB or safety on him? Why don’t they do that for Walter? Both Walter and Graham are 6’3 and there is only about 20lbs and a few tenths of a second difference between them. If they are always lining up a LB out wide, I’m pretty sure the Texans could exploit that. Graham has soft hands and is a good route runner, I think he could be every bit as effective as Walter for 1/7th the price.
by Bobbythegreat on Feb 3, 2012 1:11 PM CST up reply actions
He had every opportunity
in the last draft and FA to get another WR if he was unhappy with who he had. I think he is plenty happy with Walter. Facoby, not so much.
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If the team wasn't having
cap issues I would agree, but I can’t see overpaying Walter when you need to save money.
by Bobbythegreat on Feb 3, 2012 12:52 PM CST up reply actions
He had a defense to rebuild; that got all the draft/FA attention.
That doesn’t mean he was real happy with his WR situation. They did sign in Toliver, Jean and Maehl, remember.
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by FreedomRide on Feb 3, 2012 12:57 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
they sign undrafted scrub WRs every year
Just like all teams. That means absolutely nothing.
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I'm just saying the team had more urgent needs,
so the notion that he was happy with the WR situation is not supported by the choices made in the draft and free agency.
The defense was so bad it almost cost him his job: it was an emergency that put the offense on the back burner. Any WR upgrades had to come from FA long shots, but that doesn’t mean he saw no deficiencies at the position.
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You are making an assumption then
That he saw deficiencies. What are you basing this on then?
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Eh? I don't think I made any such assumption.
I was challenging your assumption that he didn’t see any deficiencies.
…at least I think I was. We’re picking the fly shit out of the pepper at this point.
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by FreedomRide on Feb 3, 2012 1:20 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
Hmmm...
You said, “[Kubiak] had every opportunity in the last draft and FA to get another WR if he was unhappy with who he had”
Your making the assumption that Kubes was unhappy.
While that might be the case, Freedom was just saying that because of the defensive deficiencies they prioritized WR position last and therefore didn’t draft a WR in high as well used their FA money on the Defensive side of the ball.
I’m not saying that either of you are wrong, just putting my .02 cents.
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Your making the assumption that kubes was HAPPY (with his WR core) **
smdh, lol
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lol
See what I mean?
This shit is just too convoluted for a football board.
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Your making
The assumption that I am assuming that you are assuming that Kubiak is assuming there is a deficiency based on my assumption. Wait….what were we talking about again?
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by DaGoaT on Feb 3, 2012 1:40 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm pretty sure
We were talking about your victory beers post during the 2009-2010 season.
Just saying.
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by FandomEst2002 on Feb 3, 2012 2:35 PM CST up reply actions
Seriously man
The one time I try to make a point and I’m falling all over my self.
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The scheme is important
Does anyone have grand delusions that Foster would be just as good outside of a zone blocking scheme? He is well aware of this which is why he wants to stay in Houston. Walter may not be flashy but he is something that is absolutely vital, dependable. Also this misconception that he is slow has got to stop.
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Walter isn't "absolutely vital"
a player who can block on the outside is vital. It’s not like you can’t find a WR’s who can block. When you say it like that you put Walter up on a pedestal, he is very replaceable, in fact I want him to be replaced for a cheaper player who will do the exact same thing.
by Bobbythegreat on Feb 3, 2012 12:40 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
If you can find a guy for cheaper
Who can block like him, has the lowest drop percentage in the league over the last 3 years, and will run over the middle and take a hit without fear, then by all means. This is the role I think is vital, which Walter is very dependable in.
By all means draft a future #2/#1, but we are ready to contend RIGHT NOW. With Walter.
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- receiver is usually the 5th weapon on offense, they don’t need much out of them other than blocking, why not just play Garrett Graham in that role occasionally? He has great hands, will take a hit, and can block at least as well if not better than Walter?
by Bobbythegreat on Feb 3, 2012 12:45 PM CST up reply actions
Because Garrett
isn’t enough of a downfield threat to keep the defense honest, nor is he likely to be covered by a cornerback.
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And Walter is?
When is the last time that Walter has done anything downfield? He blocks and runs slant routes occasionally, that’s pretty much it.
by Bobbythegreat on Feb 3, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
I can't even count
the number of times Schaub under threw Walter on a go route. Where the hell is this idea that Walter runs a 4.8 or something coming from? The dude might not be young anymore but I would bet my left nut he can still run a 4.5. If you were willing to put money on Graham in a foot race with Walter, that is a bet I would take in a heartbeat.
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I acknowledged the fact
that Walter is faster than Graham, but neither of them are burners and we are talking about the Texans 5th option on offense. They both have really good hands and they both can block well. Graham costs 490,000 Walter costs 3.5 million. I think that would be a great way to save money with minimal dropoff in talent.
by Bobbythegreat on Feb 3, 2012 12:57 PM CST up reply actions
You are not talking about the fact
that Graham is not going to block a cornerback out wide. I do not want a linebacker or safety out wide where my stretch play is going to be.
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I really doubt a team would pull a CB off the field
just because Graham went wide. Hell, on offense you can make sure they don’t even have time to consider that option
by Jason Brown on Feb 3, 2012 1:02 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
I was talking about lining him
up wide, playing him as a WR rather than a TE.
by Bobbythegreat on Feb 3, 2012 1:04 PM CST up reply actions
If someone lined a cornerback up on Graham
I would immediately check to a pass. That is the mismatch all offenses look for.
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Why?
he isn’t much bigger than Walter, how is that such a mismatch?
by Bobbythegreat on Feb 3, 2012 1:13 PM CST up reply actions
Because he has a bigger TE frame
and will overpower a corner back. Just like many teams with an athletic TE do. Think about it most cornerbacks are 6ft or less and have a lean frame so they can have good downfield speed. It doesn’t match up with the power forward like frame of today’s TE. This is why the TE hybrid is becoming a trend in the NFL. They are fast enough to beat a linebacker on a route, and big enough to overpower a cornerback.
I think you are going to see defenses evolve a new position in the coming years, some kind of hybrid safety/linebacker.
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He is just about the same
size as Walter, in fact if he was going to play WR, he would probably cut some weight and be almost the exact same size as Walter. Graham is an undersized TE, he doesn’t have “the power forward like frame of today’s TE”. I would agree that he is big enough to overpower a CB and fast enough to beat a lot of LB’s, but he really isn’t much different in size than Walter in fact if he cut 20 lbs he would be the exact same size.
by Bobbythegreat on Feb 3, 2012 1:27 PM CST up reply actions
Its not the same
He not quite the monster Jimmy Graham is, but look at Jermichael Finley. He weighs in the 240s and has like an inch on Graham and is a huge mismatch for a corner. I’m not saying Graham is that same threat because I think Finley is quicker but the concept is the same.
And you say cut 20 pounds, do the opposite for Walter. I think adding 20 pounds would be difficult and make him rather diminished. Look at the mismatches we are able to exploit with Dresseen. I would check to a pass if I saw any of my three TEs with a corner on them out wide.
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Well I think you are making
my case then, if no CB could cover Graham, and he could block any LB or safety, and he is 1/7th the cost of Walter, why pay Walter?
by Bobbythegreat on Feb 3, 2012 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't say
he could block any LB or safety. I said you usually put a LB or safety on a split TE and I wouldn’t want a LB or safety out wide if I’m running a stretch.
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This would be very interesting to see
I hope you’re right
by brightshinies on Feb 3, 2012 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly my point. Thanks
If you can find a cheaper, better replacement that can do exactly what Walter does and more, then by all means. Let’s get him.
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If we were
To draft a WR, wouldn’t you want him to, eventually, be our #1 WR after AJ retires?
And, no, I understand the value KDub has for the Texans with his sure hands and blocking ability.
I wouldn’t want a burner, or an older player like Reggie Wayne.
I just feel like even if we’re mostly drafting for depth, we might as well draft players that can subsequently replace our current players in time.
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by FandomEst2002 on Feb 3, 2012 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
AJ probably has 5 seasons minimum, barring injury, before he retires
All this talk of a successor or replacement is premature. If a WR is drafted early then he’s the other starter….WR2. You don’t need to draft a guy to be the guy when you have the guy.
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You don’t need to draft a guy to be the guy when you have the guy.
Unless you’re the Colts
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by Hydroshock on Feb 3, 2012 2:56 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Hopefully.
His injuries this year really scares me, to be honest. But, you’re right – the talk of a replacement is a bit premature.
This is football though, and the shelf-life of any player can’t be decided in hypotheticals.
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by FandomEst2002 on Feb 3, 2012 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
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by UprootedTexan on Feb 3, 2012 2:58 PM CST up reply actions
I usually disregard the people playing fantasy football with the Texans roster
Even some of the big name FA wrs this year make no sense for our offensive scheme as much as I might like the player. It all boils down to being able to separate mis-informed fantasy from reality. On that note. I would like to see a post or opinions on which, if any fa wrs would fit our plan. The west coast rookie wr write-up was great.
by brightshinies on Feb 3, 2012 12:15 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I actually agree with you
as far as recommendations we hear on here don’t make sense. I’m as big a fan as any for getting a good blocking WR. The only FA that I hear mentioned that even has the frame is probably Colston so I’m really looking more at the draft.
I have a scheme question for somebody who understands the X’s and O’s better – In our system is it better to have a shifty/quick slot WR or a better blocker who can run routes? Generally speaking, the closer you get to the Center on the LOS the bigger/better blocker (WR > TE > Lineman etc) and many times we put a TE (or Casey, whatever you consider him) in the slot.
I really don’t think Kubes would have a problem with Walter in the slot, he is essentially a small TE. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of our TE’s were faster than him, and OD/Casey can match him as far as hands go
That's an interesting question
I think your observation that Kubiak uses a TE in the “slot” is pretty accurate. But then again, he moves his pieces around so much that it’s hard to keep up. Sometimes you’ll see Andre motion down to the slot. It all depends on what he’s trying to do and most of the time it’s unconventional. I really do love Kubiak’s offense.
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It really is a great feeling
To be able to say that I love the play calling system behind both the defensive and offensive sides of the ball. We’re so far from a one-dimensional team now and I’m very proud of everyone involved.
by brightshinies on Feb 4, 2012 9:32 AM CST up reply actions
It's not outside run blocking that's the issue...
It’s cutting the backside DE that makes Walter valuable. These guys can all be coached up to hold the edge against a CB. Walter just has better technique that allows a 220-pound WR to effectively take a 280-pound DE out of the play.
not afraid to go in the middle
And pretty much catches everything. That’s what I think of when I think slot reciever. Walter does those things well which would make him perfect for it
by Zukywich08 on Feb 3, 2012 12:10 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Jeez.
Next time, I’ll just keep it to myself then. Haha.
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by FandomEst2002 on Feb 3, 2012 2:42 PM CST up reply actions
Jacoby lost me this year
The effort is there. I mean, heck, he was freaking pancaking people on downfield blocks this year. But, goodness, he just can’t figure it out.
No, he lost me in the Raiders game. As the only WR on that side of the field, unable to first run a solid pattern and then figure out what to do as Schaub scrambled simply killed me dead. And that was after he ran crappy routes all game long.
The worst part is, he shows flashes of being an outstanding player. But for every catch he makes (TB), he makes an equally stupid play (Cincy, basically same pattern).
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I'm with you
He definitely seems to have put in more effort, but the fact that his growth as a receiver has essentially flatlined with that increased effort means he’s just not getting something.
If he has in fact settled in as a #4 receiver/PR, then he’s not worth a 3 year $10.5M contract.
It's like he zoned out every instruction he ever received on punt returns
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So frustrating.
But, at least, he didn’t muff as many punts as before, if any.
Regardless, he needs to go.
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by FandomEst2002 on Feb 3, 2012 2:45 PM CST up reply actions
and somehow pulls off decent stats doing that shit.
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
Yes, Jacoby became an excellent blocking WR this season
And, also, yes on the tit for tat regarding big plays. For every positive play there seems to be an equally negative big play.
Also, route-running, and getting open on broken plays. Bfd mentions the Schaub scramble against the Raiders. That play is forever burned into my memory as a huge fail on Jacoby’s part that led to the fail on Schaub’s part. It didn’t have to be!
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
Jacoby should have been counting players
and let Schaub know what side of the field was open.
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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 3, 2012 1:04 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
He's not the sharpest tack in the box.
I mean seriously. Some of his mistakes would get him benched on a high school team.
I had a dream. In that dream I saw a multitude of screaming people on Richmond. I saw Kubiak laughing. I saw Andre Johnson pouring champagne from a trophy on to Brian Cushings head. What does it mean?
That's my dilemma with Jacoby...
He really has improved his blocking so much. It’s outstanding to see him block now compared to back when….the effort is there and he doesn’t stop until the whistle blows.
As a receiver, I just think he worked with Baby Shan’s offense…and this one doesn’t suit him because he’s not a route-running technician.
"Lord, beer me strength."
It reminds me of the Texans apparent susceptibility to injury this year.
For every game we won, we were required to sacrifice a player to IR. For every big play Jacoby makes, the cosmic laws require him to make an equally bone-headed one.
by brightshinies on Feb 3, 2012 12:06 PM CST up reply actions
I've started watching since I saw it mentioned on here several times....
and I noticed that Jacoby rounds off ALL of his routes which allows the CB to stick with him. When you watch some of the other WR they will plant and cut and it turns the CB completely around or freezes him long enough for the WR to get open. Then just gives up on the play allot of times when Schaub starts scrambling.
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
exactly! this is fine for a rookie, but he's been here 5 years now.
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
I respect the effort
but come on. The guy needs a change of scenery big time. He hasnt developed into even a competent reciever, takes too many chances in the return game.
We are lucky to not have a whole bunch of glaring needs this draft, so lets bloster the recieving corps for once.
you CANT pay him 3.5 mil next year
mccains issues can be blamed on shitty coaching. to compare that with JJ isnt fair to mccain
and chris meyers has more brains in his pinky that JJs entire family.
TIME TO MOVE ON
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That one play didnt dictate anything
what it did do was be the last straw in a gaggle of mistakes and boneheaded plays/decisions
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Isn't Jacoby Jones one-half of the Texans WR2?
Yeh, I guess that equates to WR4…..
/math skills at work
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
My positionon jones still stands.
He even managed to out do kareem jackson for the spot of least favorite texan.
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by Carter Liles on Feb 3, 2012 10:35 AM CST via mobile reply actions
kareem seems to be a player on the rise, while Jacoby took a huge step back just based on the last playoff game, for both.
"All our lives we're taught to get in line. The ones who conform never discover." - Undrafted Free Agent and NFL Rushing Leader Arian Foster
Jacksons thing. He just sucks right now.
At least its not his effort or ethic. He just can’t completley play good ball yet. He started looking good the last few weeks too.
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by Carter Liles on Feb 3, 2012 10:56 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
guy can tackle
Ill give him his due there. And he HAS improved. Id cut him personally, but maybe the light turns on this year
@THEREALALLENOU on twitter - "The man, the verb, the legend" OU'd
Wasn't there
a 3 year window on how draft picks develop anyway? So, yeah, I agree – this is his year to prove himself
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by FandomEst2002 on Feb 3, 2012 2:48 PM CST up reply actions
KJ is getting better.
He will be a shutdown corner. It’s taken him some time to get used to the speed of the NFL. His skills are coming up to his athletic ability. Watch and see next season with a full training camp and be amazed. With JJ and KJ at corners we will be amazing. Yep, I said it.
I had a dream. In that dream I saw a multitude of screaming people on Richmond. I saw Kubiak laughing. I saw Andre Johnson pouring champagne from a trophy on to Brian Cushings head. What does it mean?
What are you having so early in the morning?
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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 4, 2012 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
KJ really has made quite the improvement
instead of falling down on every play he is actually running stride for stride with recievers a lot of the time. He is really very very close to at least being competent. Considering the improvements he made from year 1 to year 2, I am also really excited to see what he can do next year.
Watch me all in flames, on a butterfly I ride
This is how I saw his "improvement" from year 1 to year 2
From this:
To this:
The Houston Texans: The Ron Paul of the NFL.
Sorry should have used sarcasm font.
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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 5, 2012 12:15 AM CST up reply actions
plus, he's only been playing 2 years
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
The difference between Facoby and the two given examples
are we later found out that Myers played hurt nearly that entire season, and McCain was a second year man playing under a bad defensive coordinator. Facoby has had 5 years. FIVE years to show improvement in consistency. He has not.
He is too much of a liability to keep returning punts, and he is paid too much to be a 4th WR. He needs to go. It sends the wrong message keeping someone who doesn’t “get it”.
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by DaGoaT on Feb 3, 2012 10:56 AM CST reply actions 7 recs
Jump to conclusions mat
FTW
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by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 3, 2012 11:03 AM CST reply actions
I think 5 years is plenty of time to jump to conclusions
and the conclusion is he isnt worth his contract
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I was just laughing at the tag
I’ve been over Jacoby for about three years now.
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by tehGrindCrusher on Feb 3, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
Jacoby achieved "bless his heart" status with me this year.
Bless his heart, he tries and he’s made himself a good blocker, but he can’t be trusted in The Big Moment.
This is big time football. A guy you can’t trust when the heat is on is not worth a roster spot on a good team. I’m sorry it’s turned out this way for Jacoby, but he has to go.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
Jacoby can't get the job done.
With Andre being injury prone this year we, we have to have a good number 2. That has to be our number 2 priority. Number one is retention.
I had a dream. In that dream I saw a multitude of screaming people on Richmond. I saw Kubiak laughing. I saw Andre Johnson pouring champagne from a trophy on to Brian Cushings head. What does it mean?
I could see keeping
Jacoby Jones and Kevin Walter around if they weren’t going to be making 3 mil a piece next year, at that price, I would cut them both. The 2nd WR on the Texans is the 5th option, and in some cases the 6th option, I think we replace one of them with a draft pick and the other with a practice squad guy. Or if Mario doesn’t come back, we replace one of them with Reggie Wayne, and replace the other with a draft pick.
I'd relaese them both and re-sign KW to a smaller contract.
Jacoby could just…leave.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
Yeah, if
KW would stay around for less money sure why not keep him, but I’m sure he would see if anyone would pick him up for more money first.
by Bobbythegreat on Feb 3, 2012 11:35 AM CST up reply actions
as for Jacoby12Jones:
his few shining moments in Texans history have been overshadowed by his failures, as for KW, I saw things from him this year that I didn’t care for, I thought that on one of TJ’s pics that was intended for him, that he wasn’t helping his qb, maybe I’m spoiled by Andre’s greatness and the way he attacks the football, #80 goes to the ball and gets it, the rest of our guys seem to be the exact opposite, my point being that I thought Walter was at fault for the pic because he didn’t go to the ball, he faded back and let it come to him, weber undercut the route and I puked and broke things I shouldn’t have broken. how hard is it to teach these guys to attack the football? the defense gets it, all hail Wade!
I wouldn’t be butt hurt if 83 and 12 had different names next year, I have high expectations from Lestar Jean and I can’t wait to see what he’s made of
Beer, it's not just for breakfast anymore
so I'm guessing none of us want jacoby back?
I would keep him if he took a pay cut and was our #4 or 5 reciever. I like him only cause he is a good dancer lol
by Zukywich08 on Feb 3, 2012 12:17 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
It's not that simple, IMO
Our perception of JJ wasn’t shifted, it was confirmed. After that muffed punt, we were all swearing and cursing at the TV, and some of us wondered aloud “How could JJ make a mistake like that?”
Most of us, however, had a reaction something like this: “How did JJ make it this long before screwing up?”
That’s the rub with JJ. At some point, he’s going to find a way to screw up. It has nothing to do with his talent, or lack thereof, he’s just mindless most of the time.
If he were a rookie, it would be one thing. But after five years, it’s hard to make any kind of case for not cutting him. It’s not just the one mistake, it’s the pattern of mindlessness that gives us all headaches. There;s also the business side, that being he makes ~3M next year, and with all his guarantees paid, there’s no cost to cut him.
Kubiak believes in you
by JayRedd on Feb 3, 2012 12:25 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
This is a good point
I don’t think many of us had expectations (or in many cases even knew) of Meyers or McCain. For Jacoby it feels more like a “last straw”
One thing is for sure
The Texans absolutely MUST sign David Anderson at least once, it’s a tradition
by Bobbythegreat on Feb 3, 2012 12:43 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
lol I think this year we'll step it up a bit
Maybe sign DA in camp. Then during preseason trade him to Denver for “a player to be named later”, and a few weeks later that player will be named David Anderson
True
I wish we still had Alex Brink. I’m sure Kubes could convince those Shanny’s that for the mere price of a 4th rounder they could turn him into a star
Actually Houston is the new Denver
and Washington is the old Houston
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by Barryfromtexas on Feb 4, 2012 8:17 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
He is the most signed player for the Texans ever
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by Barryfromtexas on Feb 4, 2012 8:17 PM CST up reply actions
Shouldn't we cut Jacoby
just because we have too damn many JJ’s already? It’s confusing enough with the 2 good ones…
Now that brings up an interesting debate
which of the two good JJs is the most valuable?
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Ooh, that's a tough one.
Right now I’d be most scared to do without J Jo. But Killawatt has a chance to be an All-Pro for ten years or more, IMO. Ask me again next year and I have a feeling my answer will be different.
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For me
I have to give a slight edge to Watt. Joseph is huge for us no doubt, but I credit some of that to Wade’s scheme. There isn’t much to scheme for a monster at the line of scrimmage doing Hakeem the Dream impersonations.
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There isn’t much to scheme for a monster at the line of scrimmage doing Hakeem the Dream impersonations.
No shit.
Makes me want to go back and read the draft threads again. People were actually pissing and moaning that we didn’t take Prince-freaking-Amukamara for chrissake.
I remember thinking it was a good pick, but I had NO IDEA.
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-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
I remember wanting either Watt, Cam Jordan, or Nick Fairley.
I think I was initially upset because we didn’t take the sexy pick in Fairley, but after a few minutes of consideration, I realized we made the better choice.
by brightshinies on Feb 4, 2012 10:08 AM CST up reply actions
After we drafted Watt...
I claimed that he would be the best defensive player on our team in 2012. Somebody asked if that meant Mario wouldn’t be a Texan any more, and I said that was irrelevant.
I hadn’t counted on signing Joseph, and he probably holds that title for excellence at the hardest position on the field. But the frightening thing for opposing offenses is that Watt was just a rookie and he got so much better as the season went on. Best draft pick in franchise history, in my opinion.
Best draft pick in franchise history, in my opinion.
Better than Andre?
I loves me some Killawatt, but I wouldn’t go that far.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
Andre will always be #1 to me
No matter if watt had 200 sacks after his career. Dre is sacred.
We could survive without watt, but without J JO, with TE current roster. Kareem and Allen starting. No thanks.
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by AllenOU on Feb 3, 2012 5:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Andre was kind of a no brainer though
Detroit went ahead and fucked up for us, making our choice obvious
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No brainer or not, he's still the best Texans draft pick ever.
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How about..
Best draft pick on the defensive side of the ball?
by brightshinies on Feb 4, 2012 9:33 AM CST up reply actions
Mario? Cushing? Meco?
There could be a lot of argument on that side.
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Watt...just wait and see
JJ Watt will be better than any of them. I’ll go so far as to say that JJ Watt will raise the bar across the NFL and become a new standard.
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by professortex on Feb 4, 2012 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
Yeah, I expect Watt will settle the argument in 2012.
He was an absolute monster by the end of this season. Next season should be amazing.
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-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
His rookie season was probably the best individual season ever by a Texan.
Shame he didn’t get a chance to put it on display in the playoffs that year. If we’re including postseason play though, Watt might have the edge.
He was better this past year than his rookie year
and he was awsome in his rookie year.
No doubt about it, we have 3 beyond elite defensive players. Maybe 4.
They will be making NFL films about this defense.
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
I disagree.
He was a great stopper for a talented front seven this year, but he wasn’t tearing it up in the backfield and blowing up plays as often as he did during his rookie year. This year, he played more of a clean-up role behind two active defensive ends. I understand the need for that with a rehabbing DeMeco alongside him, but with a healthier DeMeco and Sharpton next year, I’d like to see Cushing unleashed more.
was i rickrolled?
still looking for the jacoby snapshots. lulz
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While he still may deserve a roster spot as 4th receiver and punt returner,
how much do you pay a 4th receiver/punt returner?
But he can't really return punts.
So he got a few decent returns. The majority of the time he was poor. If we had great punt returner our special teams play would make him legendary.
I had a dream. In that dream I saw a multitude of screaming people on Richmond. I saw Kubiak laughing. I saw Andre Johnson pouring champagne from a trophy on to Brian Cushings head. What does it mean?
In Jacoby's defense
His stats would be hurt some by block in the back penalties. By how much, I don’t know.
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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 4, 2012 10:59 AM CST up reply actions
How about we just say it was the boneheaded play that broke the camel's back
I’ve never argued that Jacoby should be cut just because of his play in the Ravens game. But when you add to it the whole enchalada.
Every year, when we play a game, I am never concerned that Andre is going to do something stupid, because it is so rare (has he ever done anything boneheaded?).
I don’t worry about Arian Foster fumbling, because it isn’t frequent, and all RBs drop the ball now and again. Even if he did, he makes so many yards, i’d overlook it.
I don’t worry about Joel Dreessen, KW, OD, Tate, or James Casey. Nor do I worry about any of our other veteran players save one.
But I do worry every time the ball flys toward Jacoby Jones. That shouldn’t be the case after 5 years.
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by professortex on Feb 3, 2012 5:56 PM CST reply actions 4 recs
Maybe not boneheaded....
but AJ has had a few plays (dropped passes, missed receptions that we are used to seeing him haul in, etc) that make one think “That was AJ? I expect that shit out of JJ, but AJ?”
Just my $.02
Even duct tape can't fix stupid
Even the best have their off-moments.
But Andre always usually seems to redeem himself within minutes after any mistake he might make. Jakespeare on the other hand..
by brightshinies on Feb 4, 2012 10:05 AM CST up reply actions
PLus...I'm talking about boneheaded, brain-dead, just plain stupid things.
All players screw up occasionally, but not usually because they left their brains in the locker room. Jacoby literally looks like he’s thinking about that chick in the first row of the stadium rather than the game.
I’m just sayin, when Andre messes up, we say, “Huh? did he get something in his eye?”
When Jacoby messes up, we say, “I saw that coming” or “Dam Kubiak, WTF is he in there for?”
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Feb 4, 2012 10:53 AM CST up reply actions
Although he siezed up big time on the first 2 punts in the Ravens game
he was much better this year on his handling of punts. Although his average of 10.6 yds per punt return places him 14th in the league this season, he frequently leaves us feeling there could have been more with his directionally challenged East-West & South starts to many of his attempts.
After he burst on the scene in his first few preseason games, Jacoby has been more disappointment than fulfillment. He’s certainly not terrible, and always makes a few plays each season that make me want to believe he has turned the corner from prospect to standout. But then something like the Oakland game and then the brain freeze in the playoffs happen. It’s difficult to justify his $3 Million salary this year and I would not be surprised to see him gone.
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by oiler-texan diehard on Feb 5, 2012 1:13 AM CST up reply actions
Excellent perspective Rivers, food for thought
Question: When did Ragdoll turn into a top 10 center? We all obsessed on the Jets game for a long time while Kubes kept singing his praises. Now he is a FA that we HAVE to sign. I agree that we need to keep him, but can’t put my finger on when he made the transition from zero to hero. He was already an established player when Kubiak brought him in. Has he just continued to improve or did he really have just the one horrible day that helped start the ’09 season on a sour note? He did OK in the Ravens game and they have one of the best D Lines in the league. What happened?
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by oiler-texan diehard on Feb 4, 2012 11:34 AM CST via mobile reply actions
he learned to adjust to big dt's.
the bengals game was a good example. he was getting owned by atkins on the first couple of drives of the game. After the first quarter, he adjusted and the entire o-line ran all over the bengals. his value comes in the ability to make sure that the qb is protected and kept clean. the entire o-line has been consistent over the last couple of seasons and he is the biggest reason why.
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by NoSafetiesNeeded on Feb 4, 2012 7:52 PM CST up reply actions
The O Line is a well oiled machine who operate quite well together
There was a noticeable drop off when Caldwell filled in for Brisiel late in the season. They have no backup for Myers which makes it even more critical that they do not lose him, but is he really the biggest reason the O Line is elite? Yes Myers is a key making the calls, but of the 5 starters, I think Duane Brown had the best season at the critical left tackle position. He was nearly perfect in pass blocking, allowing just a couple of sacks and making only a couple of penalties for the entire season. His remarkable season validated him being a #1 draft pick a few years back.
I would really like to see at least one of the top 4 draft picks invested in an interior O Lineman as added insurance if Smith, Myers or Brisiel gets nicked. Even better would be to get a highly rated right OT so Winston could be moved inside, but the high draft picks will likely be used elsewhere.
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by oiler-texan diehard on Feb 5, 2012 12:53 AM CST up reply actions
He steadily improved since he became the starter here in 2008.
As did our line as a whole, really. He was fine in 2008, then got hurt (high ankle sprain) in 2009 and had to deal with two replacement OGs next to him. With an off-season to work with Smith and Brisiel, he became one of the better centers in football in 2009, then improved upon that yet again in 2010. I suppose you could say the leap came between 2009 and 2010, but again… I submit that it would have been a pretty steady pattern had it not been for injuries in 2009.
And that, my friends, is the beauty of good coaching. Duane Brown saw the same steady improvement as well. Now I’m just hoping Caldwell (and Newton!) pick up some of that so that we’re 7-8 deep on the O-line.
my offseason moves
Resign Mario and arian giving them big guarenteed money and a reasonable first year cap number. If Chris myers, dreessen, and Jason Allen get bigger offers than we can afford, they walk. Then resign mike brisel. Release jacoby and lienart if need be for cap relief. Now we can replace some lost fa’s in draft.
First round – Nick Toon – wr – Wisconsin.
Second round – Ben Jones – center – Georgia.
Third round – either Josh Chapman or Almeda Ta’amu if either drop to third round at nose tackle.
Fourth and fifth I would look at a corner who can also return and another speedy wr who could also return as well.
It is very realistic to keep Mario and Arian. Just have to manuever cap and be willing to take some losses and replace them in draft.
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by jahunter221 on Feb 4, 2012 2:45 PM CST via mobile reply actions
Yes, We should never think of player a certain way because of one play
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Good article and interesting comparison
Jacoby has been on my shit list for most of his time on the roster as a Texan. He’s a guy you almost feel charity type sympathy toward, and pull for to make some kind of “rise from the ashes” of being the underdog bumbling idiot. In the home games at Reliant you can hear the air being sucked out of the stadium anytime the ball is in the air (via punt or pass) toward Jacoby. The majority of fans are convinced he’ll screw up, and when he does it is usually costly for the team.
Unfortunately his mistakes frustrate fans far more than his big plays. This play was the proverbial straw that broke Toro’s back. It comes after a season when we needed him to step it up as the #1 in Andre’s absence and he failed to do it so poorly that he graded out horrible as a #2 or even a #3 WR. Oh boy he can block…so can some 50+ other folks we can dress out next year.
Jacoby really needs to go get a fresh start somewhere else. He’s not going to produce any more than we’ve seen in five years, and is as much a liability as anything.
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