NFL Mock Draft: First Shot At A Full Houston Texans Mock
by TexansDC on Feb 7, 2012 3:00 PM CST
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PrintOver the past few weeks, I’ve found myself absorbing draft information like a ShamWow. Even though it’s taken me a bit longer to get into it, I love the draft. Aside from getting most fans optimistic about their teams, the draft is quite a science. You have tons of front office people trying to find that happy medium of value (both big board wise and position class wise), need (filling holes on the roster), organization fit (scheme, character), and talent (immediate impact/future potential). It's not as simple as taking the best talent (nor is it as simple as ranking everyone on one big board like Mel Kiper does...but that's a different article altogether).
For the sake of the prospect’s round, I went to various draft websites (your Mocking The Draft, WalterFootball, FootballsFuture, DraftCountdown, terrible DraftTek, CBSSports’ section, etc.) and got a sense of range. Granted, projected round will be a very fluid situation over the coming weeks.
Furthermore, I did not put my Rick Smith hat on for this mock. It is what I would do if I were general manager. I do try and stick to organization fits though, so there will be no dream-like scenarios of trading up or trying to make a square fit in a round hole.
I am a supporter of this developing pipeline to Wisconsin and a huge Toon fan. Admittedly, there is a foot injury that happened in January, but I won't let it impact my mock unless the injury is deemed incredibly serious at the Combine's medical screening.
Back to the explanation, I love Toon's route-running, his dedication to blocking, and his effort when plays aren't going his way. To me, that’s what makes this kid potentially special – his effort on plays, runs or passes, that don’t go his way. Never once do I not think he's getting the ball or doubt his effort. I appreciate that after some of the inconsistencies the receiving corps has shown.
Toon's a big receiver who has good hands and isn't afraid to run across the middle. He's not a burner, but I think he plays fast enough. He reminds me some of Anquan Boldin in that aspect – a possession receiver who is going to rack up catches and first downs. I think he's going to have a good pro career and would be a welcomed addition to this receiving corps.
2nd Round - Alabama NT Josh Chapman
Would you want a nose tackle that played all season with a torn knee ligament...in the SEC....didn't miss a game....and made a big impact? That describes the kind of nose tackle I would love to see in the middle of this defense. Chapman's a bull, and, pardon the bad line, he should be on parade with some of his Crimson Tide brethren in Houston.
3rd Round - Boise State OT/G Nate Potter
Potter will need to strengthen up, but he has good cut blocking technique, good feet, and should be a fantastic fit in the zone blocking scheme. I don't know if he'll ever be a left tackle in the NFL, but I like his fit at guard and right tackle - and guard is an underrated need for Houston. Potter could provide great depth at a number of positions and has a good chance to be a starter one day.
4th Round - Michigan C David Molk
If the Texans walked away with Potter and Molk, to go along with Rashad Butler, I would be thrilled with Houston’s offensive line depth for the first time in franchise history. MDC's made me a believer in Molk, who slides down due to size concerns, as a center with good technique, quick feet, and who would fit nicely into the scheme.
5th Round - Nevada DE/DT Brett Roy
Four straight picks on linemen? Yeah, it's a BFD-kind of draft. I think there is a need for defensive end depth and the only first-team All-American not from an AQ-BCS conference can be that, since he’s too small (6'4'', 280 pounds, similar to Antonio "Ninja Assassin" Smith) to stay at 4-3 defensive tackle in the pros.
Roy had 31.5 tackles for a loss and 17 sacks over his two seasons as a starter. Sure, it's the WAC, but that shows me he can make plays in the backfield and be incredibly disruptive. I think that is what ol' Wade Phillips wants, and I haven’t even mentioned the fact that he’s described as a gritty, high-motor player or that he works out at the same gym Brian Cushing does.
6th Round - California WR Marvin Jones
This may be a little later than where Jones actually goes, due to his solid showing at the Senior Bowl, but I like what I see of his route-running and hands. Limited strength, many see him as strictly a slot receiver because of this, and being overshadowed by a more talented teammate has led Jones to receiving a lower-round grade.
7th Round - Northwestern QB Dan Persa
I should wait for Vega to calm down before moving on. I expect Matt Leinart to be cut which, potentially, opens up a spot for a third quarterback. Persa's still recovering from his injury in 2010 and is shorter than the ideal, but he is extremely accurate and smart. I can take a flyer on that in the West Coast scheme.
On the whole, I have added two guys who should contribute from day one at thin positions and another two guys who could be starters due to free agency or injury. I found some nice late-round talents who could provide solid depth and a project quarterback with some serious upside.
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I like Roy and the trade back
btw, Roy is number 47 in the pic, not 93. For some reason I like lineman with back numbers. It kinda makes them look more athletic…
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Love this draft, and TDC gets granted extra credibility for being totally on board with the JJ Watt pick last year.
It’s a a bit risky, though. I just hope to hell Toon and Molk are there long enough for us to get them that late.
Had not heard about Roy, but he certainly seems like Wade’s sort of beast.
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The trade back is an interesting idea
I like the idea of trading back, but it really depends on who Houston wants to pick at receiver. If the Texans are high on Sanu they might just take him instead of trading back for Toon. Also I wouldn’t be surprised to see Houston take Poe 1st round and then trade up 2nd round for Toon.
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So Molk
even if we keep Myers?
I like the draft and I’d be happy with it, except for LBs.
I’d trade Toon, Chapman or Potter for a LB of some sort, probably OLB. But we just switched from a 4-3 last year, and may lose our best OLB. If we don’t, then put me as screaming at you to get an ILB instead of one of those three.
Then, If Toon didn’t fall to the 2nd, take a WR later. Its not our #1 need just yet.
TJ must throw 30 times for us to win.
I realized, after doing it, that I didn't add a single LB to the list
Ideally, I would…but the idea of improving depth along both lines was overwhelming – especially behind Myers where Houston has 0 viable candidates to replace him should he go down…I shudder to think of Wade Smith or Antoine Caldwell at the center position.
If I had to grab a LBer, I’d probably cross Potter off my list and nab someone there in round 3. Heck, you could probably, as you suggest, grab a LB/NT in round 2 with a round 3 WR.
"Lord, beer me strength."
OLB depth will be a serious problem if Mario leaves.
Obvious solution: re-sign Mario.
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Agreed
I like Potter but have a feeling Smithiak still either likes Caldwell or wants to see what they have before picking another guard that high. Plus they just grabbed Newton last year who I’m guessing is either there RT or Swing Tackle of the future.
3rd could be a good spot to grab one of those tweeners who falls because of scheme or small school etc
Trade Down
My only issue with a potential trade down to take a WR is the draft order behind us – next 5 picks are: Patriots, Packers, Ravens, 49ers, Patriots.
Pretty much any of those guys (except the Packers) will be at least considering a big time WR with their pick. The explanation will always be “we liked a bunch of guys so we moved down” (Tate/Gerhart comes to mind) but makes me nervous – I’d rather just take the guy we like.
There is a glut of WRs in this draft that are considered 1st or 2nd rounders
Yes, if the Texans move down in the order, another team may take the guy they are targeting. But, they would get a need guy with that pick, plus they would be picking up an additional 2nd round pick next season, in TDC’s scenario. So, I think the benefit would be there. If the Texans were to do it, I would be excited about pulling that off.
Think about where the Texans are right now. They are young and somewhat deep. The more quality picks they can get in the 1st to 3rd rounds, the better chance they have for adding to this depth so they can get into that mode of just reloading every year. If Rick Smith could pull off a trade like this, WOW! Lovin’ it!
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by AllenOU on Feb 7, 2012 5:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Ick.
Just…just…ick.
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by UprootedTexan on Feb 7, 2012 8:55 PM CST up reply actions
..or Poe.
But I like the Nick Toon pick. If it isn’t a WR in the first round, or trading down into the second, I’d like to see the highest rated 3-4 DT in our front seven.
by brightshinies on Feb 7, 2012 6:37 PM CST up reply actions
If we trade down what would we get in return?
2 and a 4 in this years draft, or 2nd in this draft and next year draft?
2012 1st round draft pick is...............
I'd say that as a minimum...
More if a team is desperate for a particular prospect. If a guy like Trent Richardson or Ryan Tannehill is available, that could be the trade bait needed.
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hmmm....
the question is to more picks we have means somebody might not make the team from the year before.
2012 1st round draft pick is...............
welcome to the nfl
they can always package some picks for next year
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by NoSafetiesNeeded on Feb 7, 2012 9:07 PM CST up reply actions
I'd jump all over
two 2nd rounders.
Our firsts in ‘12 and ’13 aren’t your daddy’s Texan first rounders.
TJ must throw 30 times for us to win.
I'd give up our 2013 draft
and see how high we can go. Luck?
We’re gonna be 13-0 when the apocalypse comes. Might as well go down swingin.
TJ must throw 30 times for us to win.
ROFL ...that would be Houston luck
the year we were supposed to go to the Super Bowl, the world ends.
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by professortex on Feb 7, 2012 10:34 PM CST up reply actions
Kinda makes me sad not to see McNutt on these discussions...
He plays very simliar to Andre from what I’ve seen… just doesn’t get the recognition because he plays on Iowa’s team and not Wisconsin or Texas or Auburn or Alabama or LSU… :P
I've got nothin'...
He is NOTHING like Andre
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by AllenOU on Feb 7, 2012 5:33 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I mean like Andre in his playstyle...
Looks like he could be a WR1 with the way he plays, but I wouldn’t mind having a WR1 playing WR2. He’s tall(6’4"… Dre is 6’3") with really good hands. Snatches balls out of the air if they’re thrown in his direction. Isn’t as good as others at getting separation, but his heighth and skilled hands would make him a quality WR to learn under Dre…
I've got nothin'...
I have been told that
WR1’s won’t block if they are playing WR2, so it’s better for our system to have a less talented WR play the position because they will block more. Apparently if Kevin Walter isn’t the WR2, the Texans are doomed so they shouldn’t even look for a better WR in the draft or otherwise.
by Bobbythegreat on Feb 8, 2012 12:07 PM CST up reply actions
That's a good point...
I didn’t really watch his blocking while he played for Iowa. Not sure how he does with that. But he was formerly a QB with a high intelligence from what scouting reports say. He’s really good on the out routes and over the middle crossing routes.
From what I’ve seen in scouting reports, he’s projected to go in the second or third round. Maybe we can pick him up then… I normally don’t care too much about drafts and college players, but I could see him getting quite good in the Texans’ system. He’s got a lot of potential.
P.S. was that supposed to be sarcasm?
I've got nothin'...
Yeah
I never really learned how to use the sarcasm font.
by Bobbythegreat on Feb 8, 2012 12:56 PM CST up reply actions
This makes no sense
why wouldn’t they block. What players do in their position is not chiseled in stone. The best players are flexible and adapt to the needs of the team.
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by professortex on Feb 8, 2012 12:48 PM CST up reply actions
unless you are speaking specifically of McNutt
then i get it
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Feb 8, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
aha!...ok.
If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan
by professortex on Feb 8, 2012 12:50 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't catch it on the first read thru...
After the second, I was still perplexed. By the third, I was hungry. On the fourth read, I had just eaten, so I took a nap… but by the FIFTH time… I got it.
I've got nothin'...
To be honest i like Mcnutt
Think he would be really good here. Then again i think alot WR’s in this draft can help us out.
2012 1st round draft pick is...............
Mcnutt will have a great career. He's an animal.
And this is coming from an Iowa State fan.
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My put your name on it prediction for the Housotn Texans.
10-6, with a first round playoff upset over either the Ravens or Steelers.
by taylorrohrman on Feb 7, 2012 7:53 PM CST up reply actions
That's pretty big to say coming from a Cyclone...
My wife is a Hawkeye. She’s told me all about the Iowa/State rivalry. I’d be more of a state guy considering I like A&M as a college more than Texas. But McNutt is quite the talented player. He’s gonna be good for whatever team he goes to. I’d rather see him go to the Texans, though.
I've got nothin'...
wait . . .wut?
there’s a player named McNutt for real?
=o
I’ll try to hid my mirth. . . LOL
ok that didn’t work so well.
So is there a real possibility that McNabb could throw to McNutt in some fantasy football team?
=o
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by BattleRedFan on Feb 8, 2012 2:34 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
LOL...their names are backwards
makes more sense with McNutt throwing and McNabb catching (namewise only)
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by professortex on Feb 8, 2012 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
good mock draft
I would have also added a LB somewhere for depth prolly as the Nate potter pick. Remember we have Shelly smith coming back for guard depth
by Zukywich08 on Feb 7, 2012 5:26 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
I would have switched molk to the 3rd
And pick up LB Audi cole in the 4th. Other than that you left me with a good first impression
by Zukywich08 on Feb 7, 2012 5:33 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
Stop with the Audie cole stuff.
i do not want him on this team.
2012 1st round draft pick is...............
what don't you like about him
by Zukywich08 on Feb 7, 2012 7:51 PM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
not big on the potter pick as i would rather a linebacker.
but this would be a solid draft.
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if he plays guard, I’m fine with it!
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Nice first effort
I certainly don’t wanna come off as critical, but just to offer a few takes of mine:
There are a few WRs that I’d rather see than Toon. I like him ok, but I see his upside as a bit limited for that high a selection. Just my opinion, but I like Rueben Randle, Mo Sanu, & Juron Criner all over Toon.
I like Chapman a lot, but the knee is a concern. Maybe he could be had later? Hard to say on that, but I like it off hand.
I wouldn’t really want to see the Texans devoting 2 of their first 4 picks to OL. Just don’t think it’d be prudent when, ideally, neither of them would play much if at all early on. I could definitely see one of their top half picks devoted to an OL though. Mitchell Schwartz (OT – Cal) and Jeff Allen (OG/OT – Illinois) are two I have my eyes on.
Lastly, I don’t think Marvin Jones lasts until round 6. I could be wrong of course, but I’m a fan of his and have him in the cross-hairs for the 4th. Liked seeing him as a selection.
In any case, nicely done and way ahead of the curve, TDC.
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My Toon love will be well known, but I like him. I think, out of every receiver, his technique is tremendous. It really was the watching him in person, and through most of Wisconsin’s season, that really sparked the interest. Criner’s one I wanna see more of….not the biggest Nick Foles fan, so he’s a guy who can really up his profile in February. I think he could have a strong Combine and Pro Day to solidify him as a round 2 choice.
I’ll have to check out Schwartz and Allen. Are you thinking tackle is more of a hole than guard?
Agreed on Marvin Jones…he’ll go earlier than what sites are saying, especially since the NFL loves slot receivers. Wouldn’t mind if he’s the second half of a receiver double dip.
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As for the OL, much hinges on Myers & Brisiel. If they’re both re-signed, then the need on the interior is diminished. I think that happens, so I’m focused on guys that have tackle experience and ability but are also projectable inside as a fallback. Schwartz and Allen, who both really caught my attention during Senior Bowl week, are in that mold. I’m of the mind that it’s time to start grooming a replacement for Eric Winston, so I do lean OT. Still, with Butler under contract and the uspide I see in Derek Newton, maybe one or the other fits that bill and the draft pick kicks inside. Now, if Chris Myers is allowed to walk by some strange twist of lunacy in the Texans front office, then not only is the center spot in need of a developmental prospect, it becomes a full-on red alert for a starter-caliber addition. While I don’t see that happening, bolstering the OL is always a good idea. It’s just hard to figure where until we know what’s up with our current starting C & RG.
Long-handed response, I know.
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by BigRon on Feb 8, 2012 5:20 AM CST via mobile up reply actions
If the Texans draft Persa
There would be no calming me down. I would calm down for a bit, think about it again, and have a draftgasm all over again.
Honestly, I think he would be a good fit in a west coast offense. He’s super athletic (when not coming off an Achilles injury) and very accurate. He’s not as big as other QBs and doesn’t have the big arm of other QBs, but I think he’ll actually be a good NFL QB.
And I’m not even biased.
I knew you'd love that
It would be quite the coup as a third string quarterback…cause his accuracy is something you can’t teach.
"Lord, beer me strength."
You can teach it to some extent
After Persa’s sophomore year, before his first year as a starter, they focused on teaching him about how to be more accurate. Now, you can’t teach a guy to actually throw the ball more accurately (well, I guess you can by working on mechanics, etc, but there’s a limit to that), but what they focused on with Persa was placement. Things like throwing to the correct shoulder and away from the DB.
He had the mechanics of how to throw accurately, but what made him elite in that sense is that he became smarter about placement. That’s something a lot of guys just don’t learn.
I think we either go up or back, but don't hold tight in the first round
If they feel they can get a decent shot at Blackmon, and also feel we are only one or two players away from the SB, then do it! Plus Blackmon may be the only receiver in this “receiver heavy draft” who has the size and potential to eventually replace our beloved ’Dre.
If they can’t do that, then draft back and load up the bus.
There are a ton of guys who have size and potential
Gambling on 1 prospect by throwing away an entire draft is silly. Rookie wide receivers historically don’t tend to be “instant impact,” super-bowl clinching players.
So much can go wrong in a season (schaub, aj, super mario) that getting depth makes so much more sense.
Moving back and loading up, as you said, makes sense, but I don’t see anything wrong with staying still either.
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TJ Yates wasn't comfortable with any TE..he seemed more tuned in with the WRs and
if hes going to join the “fuck it I’m going deep club” then let it be Alshon. look back at the ravens texans games he threw it deep 3 times all 3 were jump balls not one was caught just so happens to be one of Alshons specialties.
I love dre but he was never targeted when he was in tight coverage while the pass beign up for grabs he wasnt taught that. Alshon gets open even when he’s not.
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I'm on the Alshon Jeffery train as well
Dude is gonna tear it up.
by Zukywich08 on Feb 8, 2012 1:54 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
a thoroughly enjoyable read TexansDC!
I have no idea about players.
from my limited knowledge, I want
Round 1: WR
Round 2: Mario/Connor/Brooks replacement (some kind of linebacker?)
Round 3: TE
Round 4: CB that played a TE in a previous life (this means they know how to catch balls* *)
Round 5: OLine
Round 6: best defensive player available
Round 7: OLine
I actually want TE in the 2nd round but that’s just an intuitive feel (absolutely no reason for that pick). Logically, I can’t deny Wade a defensive player in both the first AND 2nd round so I re-arranged the picks so both my faves (Phillips and Kubiak) get a player on alternating picks.
- * oh! this also means they can catch balls while their head is turned to face the ball. . . (or do they have to face the QB instead of facing the ball?)
Alternatively, I could go for
Round 1: WR
Round 2: Oline
Round 3: TE
Round 4: CB that played a TE in a previous life (this means they know how to catch balls* *)
Round 5: Mario/Connor/Brooks replacement (some kind of linebacker?)
Round 6: best defensive player available
Round 7: OLine or RB – no wait! special teams god here.
there! =) now with my incredibly insightful draft plan the Texans should be ready to “pwn” the draft!
;-)
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1st Round – Alshon Jeffrey. If the only problem is that he needs to lose 8 pounds, then I’m totally fine with taking him and watching him burn it off in training camp. His problems can be fixed by this coaching staff and the mentor-ship of Andre…that is….if he even has any real problems at all.
2nd Round – You sold me on Chapman.
3rd Round – Ryan Broyles. The “Slot Machine”. His ACL injury should let him slip all the way to us in the 3rd. He doesn’t block as well as K-Dub, but he sure as hell gets separation. I’m totally fine with him coming in as a 3rd receiver on passing downs to move the chains.
4th Round – Molk. Nuff said.
5th – 7th. Sure what you said.
Broyles is not even on the Texans chart
Broyles has numerous run in’s with the law and has major character questions. He would never make the Texans boards as a draftable player. Chapman I like, but you can pick him up in the 3rd or 4th round due to concerns on his knee. Molk is the perfect center for our system, but we need to know if Myers will resign.
ESPN article
Do you believe everything ESPN writes? There are concerns with Ryan on character as well as a recent torn ACL.
by GCWTexans on Feb 8, 2012 1:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
he could loose it
have you seen Calvin johnson in the accura commercial not exactly fit.
I love ryan broyles pick would like it better in the 4th
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Admitted surprise...
I thought more people would go a bit googly eyed for Roy….dude’s athletic as hell for a lineman.
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Sounds like a damn fine pick to me.
I’ll be looking for him after you brought attention to him.
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