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Rock The Vote: Where Will Peyton Manning Play Next Season?

With the current pay-that-$28,000,000.00-or-else deadline of March 8th creeping ever closer (though it could conceivably be pushed back by agreement of the parties), most pundits and fans seem to think it's a foregone conclusion that the Colts will part ways with Peyton Manning in the coming weeks. Some cling to the belief that the Colts will find a way for Peyton to stay in Indianapolis. What do you think? If you believe Peyton's played his last game as a Colt, where do you think he's playing next season? A poll awaits you beyond the jump.

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While I respect the bejeezus out of Peyton Manning, I can't see the Colts keeping him. Assuming he is in fact able to play, any number of teams will (and should) be begging him to come to town. No, Houston will not be one of them. Nor should they be, despite the calls of the lunatic fringe.

I've listed a handful of potential landing spots for Peyton Manning next year in the poll below. Sound off and then tell us why you voted the way you did in the Comments. I'm interested to see what the current line of thinking is.

Poll
Where will Peyton Manning be starting at QB next season?
Indianapolis
152 votes
Washington
155 votes
San Francisco
78 votes
New York (Jets)
136 votes
Miami
231 votes
Baltimore
28 votes
Nowhere. He's not playing in 2012.
229 votes
Some Other Team.
228 votes

1237 votes | Poll has closed

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I'd say I'll take an incentive-laden deal

then narrow it down to Miami and the highest bidder.

then I’d take Miami.

If my arm strength doesn’t come back, my family is already on vacation, and retirement is just a drive home away.

TJ must throw 30 times for us to win.

by texanphil on Feb 8, 2012 2:26 PM CST reply actions  

I actually heard on the radio this morning that there are fans who are clamoring for him to play for Tennessee next year.

If I had laughed any harder, I’d probably have run into the concrete barrier!

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by UprootedTexan on Feb 8, 2012 2:48 PM CST reply actions  

There are fans calling for this, but they're not Titans fans.

They’re UT(ennessee) fans who happen to watch Titans games.

You can spot them by watching them wear Titans gear during the other 7 home games, but pull out a Manning jersey for the Colts game. (Usually a Colts #18, but there’s always a few who have held on to their gadawful orange #16 jersey all this time)

I hate them with a fire that burns like a thousand suns.

by hartley on Feb 8, 2012 5:09 PM CST up reply actions  

That's what the person on the radio said.

They’re Peyton fanbois and not Tennessee fans. Still, the idea is ridiculous.

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by UprootedTexan on Feb 8, 2012 5:37 PM CST up reply actions  

No to the Jests

Despite the fact that he and Eli could bust out the bunk beds they had as kids by playing in the same city I see Peyton as having too much respect for himself to go there.. If all he wants is another shot at a title Baltimore and San Fran are right there and he could put them over the top. If all he wants is money then Miami and Washington will pay up. I don’t see him jiving well with the Shannonhans though. My best guess would be Miami, halfway decent enough to win plus the money plus a chance to faceoff against Brady twice a year and prove who is the best QB of this era.

Also look for places like Seattle and Arizona to get their names mentioned. Maybe Dallas too, Jerrah is just crazy enough to pull something like that.

by BricAM on Feb 8, 2012 2:56 PM CST via mobile reply actions  

I agree. 49ers and Ravens are high possibilities

and he wants another ring now that “Lil Bro” has two.

by MeMongo on Feb 8, 2012 4:59 PM CST up reply actions  

No way in hell on either of those.

The Ravens are FAR too conservative, and the 49ers’ Harbaugh would not share that much of the spotlight.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 8, 2012 5:45 PM CST up reply actions  

what do you mean by conservative?

i don’t see what peiytun, if healthy, is a bad deal for them.

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by NoSafetiesNeeded on Feb 8, 2012 7:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I mean bringing Peyton in turns their whole world upside down.

It means they don’t think Flacco can get it done. That’s a hell of an admission, which I don’t think they’re willing to make.

I think they’d be crazy to try this kind of a franchise Hail Mary. The Ravens simply aren’t that kind of crazy.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 8, 2012 7:23 PM CST up reply actions  

agreed

I think the harbaughs are stubborn men who when they pick to something they stick to it such as two quarterbacks who were with them in playoffs…

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by Mellowcheese on Feb 8, 2012 9:20 PM CST up reply actions  

No way

They both made it all the way to their respective championship games with the QB’s they have. There’s no way either team makes that drastic of a move.

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by Hydroshock on Feb 9, 2012 3:27 PM CST up reply actions  

Completely agree.

No successful team is going to turn its world upside down for Peyton.

…unless it knows it has a secret QB problem. Hmmm…

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by FreedomRide on Feb 9, 2012 3:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Nowhere. He's not playing in 2012. Hope I'm wrong, actually.

Indianapolis – No. That ship has sailed.

Washington – No. Flaky ownership and a head coach with a history of humiliating QBs. Peyton is a loyal fraternity member.

San Francisco – No. Harbaugh’s and Peyton’s personalities are too large for one locker room.

New York (Jets) – No. Rex Ryan. EOS.

Miami – No. Flaky ownership and a new head coach.

Baltimore – No. Big, dramatic deals are out of character for the Ravens. They stay with the plan.

Some Other Team – My dark horse: the KC Chiefs. Good weapons and a HC Peyton could work with just fine.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 8, 2012 3:03 PM CST reply actions  

I think the Chiefs could be a strong possibility

Weak division and they’ve got a little bit of talent

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by Drill Sarge on Feb 8, 2012 5:28 PM CST up reply actions  

So he ends his career like

Joe Montana???? As long as he doesn’t beat the Texans in a playoff game.

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by Taco Joe on Feb 9, 2012 9:54 AM CST up reply actions  

I can't see anyone other than the Jets stupid enough to sign him.

Miami doesn’t seem like a “must win now” team so I don’t think they will be interested in signing Peyton.

by jkcheng122 on Feb 8, 2012 3:22 PM CST reply actions  

nowhere

in all honesty, as much as peyton wants to play, i dont think hes dumb enough to risk further injury to his neck to give it one more go. but, if is is as healthy as hes supposed to be come training camp, my guess is he goes somewhere with decent receivers, decent running game, and a decent defense. that way he has a legit shot at another ring before hes done. my guess is somewhere in the AFC, probably the east- so the jets or dolphins. jets could be it though- but i doubt he wants to steal the thunder away from eli- if he goes to the jets, its just try and stick it to brady one last time.

even though i dont want him here, nor do i think hell even consider here… wouldnt it be funny (and/or craz) if he came here and won the super bowl next year just to stick it to irsay? poetic justice… but itll never happen, nor should it happen.

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by grandmasteroz on Feb 8, 2012 3:26 PM CST reply actions  

If Manning came to Houston and won the SB

On one hand I’d be elated that my team won but on the other I’d feel like there would be an asterisk like it wasn’t a Texan victory, it was a Manning victory. Just like if we would have signed Favre when the Matts went down.

by BricAM on Feb 8, 2012 3:38 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

indeed

but it would be poetic justice, no matter how you look at it. itll never happen, nor do i think any of us would actually like to see it happen. but boy, if it did….

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by grandmasteroz on Feb 8, 2012 3:40 PM CST up reply actions  

My joking answer is Jacksonville.

My other answer is Cleveland. Depends on if they are ready to give up on Colt (former Colt taking Colt’s place?) and if so, are they ready to go all-in on RGIII, assuming he makes it to them.

I’m not entirely sure how serious I am with the answer either.

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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 8, 2012 3:27 PM CST reply actions  

The Browns have 2 first rounders

If they really want RGIII, they can get him. They won’t have to wait.

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by Antho10000 on Feb 8, 2012 4:01 PM CST up reply actions  

As long as it is not in AFC south i am ok with it.

Please pretty please let us bust Andrew luck NFL cherry first.

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by southpaw70 on Feb 8, 2012 3:35 PM CST reply actions  

He's going to a domed stadium

Arizona—Kevin Kolb is not the answer..He could step in like Kurt Warner and push towards playoffs

Dallas—Tony Romo sucks and Stephen McGee needs some refining…plus Satan Jerry Jones is greedy enough that this could happen.

Houston—Schaub can’t throw further than 35 yards downfield, but this option is not there for Manning. TJ Yates did well to lead the good guys to a playoff win. Not coming here.

Detroit—Stafford is becoming a good quarterback in the league…not here.

New Orleans—Unless the GM doesn’t get it done with Brees, I do not see this as an option. If it did happen, how scary could NO be??

Atlanta—Matt Ryan is one of the better quarterbacks in the league, Manning isn’t going to Georgia.

Indy—If he takes a HUGE pay cut, it’s possible, but I think that the bridge is burned w/ Irsay and this is a foregone thought.

Minnesota—Ponder didn’t look like a top 15 pick last year and Minnesota is fading fast in the NFC North. This could work out well for Manning w/ an above average runner and decent reciever…need more help on the WR though.

St Louis—Sam Bradford is starting to look like a skinny David Carr at this point in his career. This could be the best situation for Manning due to a good running back and picking up decent WR’s in the draft and FA.

In Houston we've had Hakeem "The Dream" Olajuwon and now we are STUCK with Kareem "The Quarterback's Dream" Jackson. Look he just fell down again.

by BruiserTexans on Feb 8, 2012 4:18 PM CST reply actions  

Schaub can throw at least 40 yards downfield lmfao!!!

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by AllenOU on Feb 8, 2012 4:20 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

Nice...

Rec for the reference.

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by Barrett on Feb 9, 2012 1:18 PM CST up reply actions  

So thankful I can rec and comment again...

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by beefy on Feb 9, 2012 2:00 PM CST up reply actions  

I am lovin your sig salad

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by Taco Joe on Feb 10, 2012 1:04 AM CST up reply actions  

He hasn't hit Andre Johnson in stride past 40 yards since 2008.

I’m hoping his arm issue has recovered along with his foot or else we may see ’Dre get pasted again on a deep route waiting for the damn ball to come down, and how many more hits can he really take like that?

We need a QB who can stretch the field and not kill receivers in the process.

by MeMongo on Feb 8, 2012 4:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Are there ways to improve arm strength?

I mean he’s had a pretty short arm since Schaub came here, and I have always thought that he can strengthen it past off seasons. Just wondering if there is any way a QB can strengthen it enough to have Jay Cutler like arm?

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by Catallac392 on Feb 8, 2012 6:04 PM CST up reply actions  

Schaub once had a good deep pass hitting 'Dre in stride for TDs in 2007, 2008

In mid-2009, a lot of commentary erupted around his deep passes taking longer to reach Andre who had to stall and wait for it, putting himself at risk as the defenders closed the separation he created. The result is a lot of deep receptions followed by ‘Dre fighting inside the 10 yard line instead of cruising into the endzone. It’s why Andre’s career TD numbers are lower than they should be for such an elite receiver.

In 2010 and through 2011 the situation remained the same. A few articles hinted that Schaub and the Texans may be hiding a shoulder injury (rotator cuff tear, etc). These don’t heal well on their own and usually require minor surgery to lace the muscle tissue together to close the tear and begin the recovery process. It’s all speculation, but that would also support his decline in accuracy in mid to short passes as well as he hits targets low and behind. If this is the case, we can all sure hope he has had a chance to get that throwing arm the repair and rest it has needed for over two years.

by MeMongo on Feb 9, 2012 1:59 AM CST up reply actions  

I think he’ll come back with something to prove, either way.

I just hope we start the season with some easy teams. If we start 1-3, the mob will cry for TJ.

TJ must throw 30 times for us to win.

by texanphil on Feb 9, 2012 12:20 PM CST up reply actions  

At least now they have someone to howl for.

Ever since the Rosencopter incident, we haven’t had a backup QB worth having a controversy over.

Seeing how TJ does as the #2 will be one of the most fun things about the pre-season this year.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 9, 2012 12:29 PM CST up reply actions  

Its the perfect situation. I’d be lining up a draft pick if he was our #1, but I’m very confident with him at #2 this year. I bet he’ll keep Schaub’s extension cost down with his play in practice this year. Hopefully that’s all we see of him, though, practice.

TJ must throw 30 times for us to win.

by texanphil on Feb 9, 2012 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm still not convinced

TJ will be the number 2.

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by DaGoaT on Feb 9, 2012 1:19 PM CST up reply actions  

I'm convinced he is right now, and I don't see a real threat to him there this year.

I’m not convinced he’ll ever be #1, though. He has a chance to be, is as far as I’ll go.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 9, 2012 2:02 PM CST up reply actions  

I really hope he comes back looking like his 2007-2009 seasons

If he comes back and wings it around low, weak and behind his targets and crumples for sacks instead of evade, there’s going to be more than just howling for TJ. There will be screaming at the FO for not having a better plan at QB during the FA/Draft instead of waiting until live games to demonstrate the regression.

by MeMongo on Feb 9, 2012 1:00 PM CST up reply actions  

After a few games of TJ, I re-watched some of the early games this year. Schaub’s accuracy wasn’t what I remembered it from years past. He has always made that one really terrible throw, and still did. He knew the offense and spread the ball around better than TJ, but the rest of the stuff was pretty comparable.

I think people remember Schaub a little better than he actually was this year. But he’s far and away the obvious choice for QB1 if he’s healthy. TJ winning that playoff game should have him coming back with a “watch this” attitude. Plus he has a legit dude holding a clipboard breathing down his neck.

I just hope the masses don’t start screaming for TJ. He’s not ready for this team this year. We need to get home field advantage. No more moral victories.

TJ must throw 30 times for us to win.

by texanphil on Feb 9, 2012 1:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I think TJ

made it clear that he could and likely will be Schaub’s eventual successor. Schaub has this year to impress, and if he can’t, we might not bring him back afterwards.

by Bobbythegreat on Feb 9, 2012 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I think we see TJ

if that happens, but they will give Schaub a lot of room for error before ever thinking about benching him

by Bobbythegreat on Feb 9, 2012 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

I think people are concerned by what they perceive as a decline in his play.

I share that concern. His completion % is going down and he is not throwing the deep ball well.

I like Schaub (after all, he rescued us from Mittens) and I’m rooting for him to come back and light it up this year. But if the decline continues, something will have to be done.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 9, 2012 2:07 PM CST up reply actions  

And, for the record, I’m fine with drafting a QB, just not one that we have any hopes of coming in and competing for a job this year.

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by Barrett on Feb 9, 2012 2:20 PM CST up reply actions  

We're Of The Same Mind

Schaub is the guy.

There’s reason to hope that Yates can one day be a QB1, in that he came into a very tough situation and did not look overwhelmed, but he is by no means a sure thing as Schaub’s successor. Given that Yates is still on his rookie deal and played admirably in relief of Schaub, Leinart is likely expendable due to his contract.

The only question in my mind is whether the Texans decide to bring a veteran in to compete with Yates for that QB2 slot or if they bring on another young QB to be QB3.

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by Tim on Feb 9, 2012 2:40 PM CST up reply actions  

What veteran would we bring in as a backup who is not already on the roster?

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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 9, 2012 2:54 PM CST up reply actions  

'Zackly.

Looking around the league at the veteran backup possibilities, I really don’t see one I’d put ahead of TJ right now.

Hell, there are guys starting I wouldn’t put ahead of TJ right now.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 9, 2012 3:55 PM CST up reply actions  

I'd Have To Take A Close Look At The Possibilities

But no one jumps out at me off the top of my head. I think odds are that Yates is your QB2 in ’12.

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by Tim on Feb 9, 2012 5:02 PM CST up reply actions  

if they bring in a veteran

I’d restructure Leinart to $1.5M for 2 years.

Nobody’s gonna pay $3M for him if we cut him.

He’s our best vet, he knows the system.

TJ must throw 30 times for us to win.

by texanphil on Feb 9, 2012 5:20 PM CST up reply actions  

Bring in a vet and keep Leinart??

And to what with Yates?

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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 9, 2012 9:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Why can't Yates get Practice Squad reps?

He won’t be the starter, am I right? So, he will never get the First Team reps unless Schaub and Leinart go down again. Jinx!

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by Rip Jersey on Feb 10, 2012 9:52 AM CST up reply actions  

He has 7 starts if I am counting right, plus a partial game.

Is he even eligible for practice squad? And wouldn’t we have to cut him?

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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 10, 2012 10:57 AM CST up reply actions  

not gonna happen

and not what I meant.

See below.

1-Schaub 2-Yates 3-Leinart.

He’s the vet I’d take over some new guy, if we don’t go draft one.

TJ must throw 30 times for us to win.

by texanphil on Feb 10, 2012 12:23 PM CST up reply actions  

OK I see now.

If the option is Leinart at 3 or a vet off the street, go with Leinart.

Although I am sure we are paying Delhomme much less than Leinart, if it comes down to $$$.

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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 10, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions  

I didn'r mean he would be place on the Practice Squad

I meant he would take the Pracitce Squad reps at QB, as in the offense that is mimicing the upcoming offense. At the very least, he is getting reps and seeing the field.

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by Rip Jersey on Feb 12, 2012 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

no

he’d be the vet, probably #3 QB.

TJ must throw 30 times for us to win.

by texanphil on Feb 10, 2012 12:22 PM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

And I think they have to keep pushing T.J. so competition for the 2 spot would be best. While he was a decent fill in down the stretch, and he’s shown flashes of being a starting QB at some point in the future, by no means is he ready to take over this team.

We’d likely be looking at a losing season if we had to rely on current T.J. Yates for a full year.

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by Hydroshock on Feb 9, 2012 3:42 PM CST up reply actions  

Fair enough

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by Barrett on Feb 9, 2012 4:28 PM CST up reply actions  

Agree that's putting it too strongly.

But how about you: what’s your perception of Schaub’s performance lately? I’d like to be convinced I’m imagining things, but I don’t think I am.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 9, 2012 3:58 PM CST up reply actions  

I think he was quietly having another outstanding year

He was still throwing over 60%, still had better than a 2:1 TD to INT ratio, and was averaging more yards per completion (8.5) than at any point in his career.

The only concerns I have about Matt Schaub are his injury history and propensity to turn the ball over.

In my opinion we would have been the #1 seed in the AFC and hosted the Patriots for the right to go to the Super Bowl had Schaub stayed healthy.

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by Hydroshock on Feb 9, 2012 4:18 PM CST up reply actions  

Right

He’s no Brady, but I mean at some point we have to say who fits the offense right now better than Matt Schaub? I think we are much better served spending our resources elsewhere (e.g. WR, LB).

I know this wasn’t meant to be a “who should we draft” thread, sorry.

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by Barrett on Feb 9, 2012 4:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I think he started slow

but he picked it up by the first game with tennessee.

Has anyone ever noticed that he sometimes looks like he is straining when he thinks?

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by professortex on Feb 9, 2012 8:17 PM CST up reply actions  

He's farting.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 9, 2012 8:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Or, he is having trouble passing gas buildup....

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by Rip Jersey on Feb 10, 2012 9:53 AM CST up reply actions  

trying to avoid the shart

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by professortex on Feb 10, 2012 10:26 AM CST up reply actions  

That can be quite uncomfortable in a social situation

no doubt

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by Rip Jersey on Feb 10, 2012 10:47 AM CST up reply actions  

The Oline felt shaky early in the year.

Then we went on the 7 game winning streak.

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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 9, 2012 9:25 PM CST up reply actions  

I ground many a cheek holding back strong language last season and the beginning of this season

with Schaub’s shoelace and behind the receiver passes. I have nearly bitten my tongue off watching ’Dre break coverage only to see the ball float down field and come down short enough that ’Dre has to stall, stop or drop back for the reception and then get nailed by the defenders in the red zone instead of hitting ’Dre in stride for a TD.

I like Schaub. He saved us from Mittens. He played great for a three year stretch, and mostly in Babyshan’s passing scheme. His arm strength and accuracy have been dismal the last two seasons. I don’t want to see that be the reason we fail to win a championship.

I’m not saying TJ is the answer either, but Schaub is declining from his prime already the last two seasons. At least there’s a possibility for upside with TJ or another QB unless Schaub comes into 2012 looking like he did in 2009, it’s time to worry about the QB position.

by MeMongo on Feb 9, 2012 6:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Dang!

Just when Hydroshock was talking me back from the edge, you push me back out there again.

I saw the same things. I saw our starting QB leaving plays on the field, especially on deep balls, where his accuracy was just not NFL franchise QB quality.

I agree: we need to see Schaub have a comeback season or we need to start making new plans.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 9, 2012 7:08 PM CST up reply actions  

I saw our starting RB and superstar WR leave plays on the field also

But I’m not looking to replace them any time soon. Does Schaub do the same? Sure. But last time I checked there wasn’t a Hall of Fame tree we could just pluck a new QB from.

When he’s healthy, Schaub is the most consistent and productive option we have. Maybe T.J. can be the long term solution but that’s a long way away, and Warren Moon ain’t walking through through the door, so I’ll roll with #8 until he proves he can’t do it. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong.

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by Hydroshock on Feb 10, 2012 11:01 AM CST up reply actions  

Do you think you are over attributing specific plays?

Schaub was 5th in DVOA this year, his highest ever? I remember frustrating moments too but I’m having a hard time pointing to specific tangible facts

by Jason Brown on Feb 9, 2012 8:15 PM CST up reply actions  

Jason, you've cracked the code...

That’s what most commenters do on blogs. No one is patient. No one is understanding. I accepted this long ago, yet it still vexes me greatly.

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by beefy on Feb 10, 2012 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

Thx.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 10, 2012 4:44 PM CST up reply actions  

He hasn’t hit Andre Johnson in stride past 40 yards since 2008.

I’m worried about Schaub. He has been efficient at times, but no way has he resembled “elite” lately, and his completion % has been declining.

I think we might have a QB problem emerging. I hope I’m wrong and Schaubby will come back strong this year, but if he doesn’t I’m far from sold on TJ as a franchise QB. To me, QB will be the most crucial story for the Texans this season.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 8, 2012 6:34 PM CST up reply actions  

He has been efficient at times, but no way has he resembled "elite" lately

Ok, I’ve got issues with this comment. By lately you mean this season. The previous two have resulted in 4300+ seasons, 2:1 TD to INT ratio, and a Pro Bowl MVP.

Yes his completion % has been declining, but we’re talking about from 67.9% in ’09 to 61% in a shortened ’11 without Andre Johnson. Over 60% in the NFL is considered very good.

Methinks peoples’ expectations are unrealistically high.

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by Hydroshock on Feb 9, 2012 3:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Hope you're right.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 9, 2012 4:00 PM CST up reply actions  

Health and turnovers

Those are the two biggest concerns for Schaub…..and 90% of the other QB’s in the league. Ok, and maybe deep ball strength, but that’s a minor issue in this offense. His numbers are still solid.

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by Hydroshock on Feb 9, 2012 4:26 PM CST up reply actions  

This

If you read around the league (especially places like FO) it’s clear that Schaub is highly regarded everywhere except here

by Jason Brown on Feb 9, 2012 5:12 PM CST up reply actions  

The grass is always greener.

FWIW, I have had Schaub as a top 10 QB for the last few years, though never top 3-5 (which is usually Peyton, Brees, Brady and then fluctuating others).

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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 9, 2012 9:28 PM CST up reply actions  

That's 5 teams out of 32 that have potential Hall of Fame QB's

The rest have to settle for very good, good, average, below average, and shitty. I say we’re in the very good group.

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by Hydroshock on Feb 10, 2012 11:12 AM CST up reply actions  

Me too.

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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 10, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

It's not that I don't love Schaubby, 'cause I do.

It’s that I’m concerned about him.

He was awesome, then he was not quite so awesome. Something’s going on.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 9, 2012 9:37 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think it's fair to compare 2011 performance vs other years

mostly because of the lockout.

The players did their absolute best to be ready for the season. But we’re comparing Schaub’s body of work as if he had had a full offseason loaded with OTAs and Training Camp.

In reality they had none of those things. So in my opinion any wins we got were a blessing and a miracle at the same time.

I think full offseasons are more important than we might have thought previously.

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by BattleRedFan on Feb 13, 2012 6:40 AM CST up reply actions  

How many of those completed passes did the receivers have to dig out of the dirt for no yards after the catch, and get cracked over the middle reaching back?

Too many in my opinion. His incomplete passes seemed to happen at bad times (3rd down conversions), and he was good for one WTF pick in almost every game.

I’m not trying to trash or smear Schaub, but stats aside, his 2010 and 2011 (partial) seasons have left a lot to be desired. I’m sure we can go back and dig through the game threads from 2010 and 2011 where Schaub was really pissing people off with an inaccurate and weak arm. I’d give anything for the 2009 Schaub combined with the 2010 Arian Foster.

Let’s serously hope we get the better Schaub back for 2012, because this team is primed for a championship. The QB position is too important to have it blow our next two or three year window.

by MeMongo on Feb 10, 2012 12:00 AM CST up reply actions  

So what's your solution if Schaub can't get it done?

You said there will be screaming at the FO for not having a better plan at QB during the FA/Draft. What exactly is that plan? As mentioned above, there’s roughly only 3-5 teams in the league that are lucky and fortunate enough to find that HOF caliber QB. The rest have to deal with what they’ve got.

Like you said, this team is primed and our window is now. So what plan do you know of that can replace our Pro Bowl QB and win us a Super Bowl in that window if Schaub isn’t the guy?

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by Hydroshock on Feb 10, 2012 11:21 AM CST up reply actions  

...

THoR for QB!!!!!

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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 10, 2012 11:40 AM CST up reply actions  

LOL =) sounds good

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by BattleRedFan on Feb 13, 2012 6:42 AM CST up reply actions  

i would love to see cushing at fullback

and tate running behind him.

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by NoSafetiesNeeded on Feb 10, 2012 12:44 PM CST up reply actions  

OMG! that would be awesome!

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by BattleRedFan on Feb 13, 2012 6:43 AM CST up reply actions  

So what’s your solution if Schaub can’t get it done?

Back to the bleach bottle. A franchise QB search can last a decade or more.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 10, 2012 12:39 PM CST up reply actions  

do you ever see a play run in our offense where he has to throw it that deep?

Other qbs are better because they throw it deep more often.

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by steelblue on Feb 8, 2012 7:50 PM CST up reply actions  

I think N.O. is worse with Manning over Brees.

Brees just fits in too well to stick in even a QB like Manning and not expect a drop off.

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by taylorrohrman on Feb 8, 2012 7:45 PM CST up reply actions  

I just think Brees is going to be better than Peyton no matter where he plays.

Brees did beat him in the Super Bowl.

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by steelblue on Feb 8, 2012 7:49 PM CST up reply actions  

oh and 5400 yard seasons don't grow on trees.

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by steelblue on Feb 8, 2012 7:52 PM CST up reply actions  

Re: Arizona

I should’ve had them as a choice in the poll. Would be something for ’em to pull the plug on Kolb after just one year, though.

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by Tim on Feb 8, 2012 8:24 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I don't see that happening.

It’s an admission they don’t know what they’re doing, and they’re desperate.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 8, 2012 8:32 PM CST up reply actions  

I have said it plenty of times...

Wisenhunt is a horrid Coach when it comes to QBs… the only success he has had was kurt, but Warner already knew what the hell he was doing… I think Kolb could be serviceable on another team as a backup.

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by Taco Joe on Feb 9, 2012 10:05 AM CST up reply actions  

Kansas City too

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by HTown24 on Feb 9, 2012 12:56 AM CST up reply actions  

Peterson

Might be out a good part of the next season, with how late he torn his knee.

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by WreckNTexan on Feb 8, 2012 9:01 PM CST up reply actions  

He is superhuman though

I’d consider putting money on him finding a way to suit up week 1.

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by DaGoaT on Feb 9, 2012 1:21 PM CST up reply actions  

In which I would counter

+/- Week 12 he goes down with another injury.

He needs to take the allotted time to get well, or suffer another set back injury.

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by WreckNTexan on Feb 9, 2012 5:22 PM CST up reply actions  

He's going to Washington

Mike Shanahan needs a system QB that doesn’t deviate from “the system” (whatever they end up putting in place for Manning, obviously) – the last time he was successful, he had a a) field general running his system perfectly (Elway – he didn’t like Plummer because he freelanced too much), b) a good/great running game (Washington can improve a little here, but it’s better than what Peyton had in Indy since Edge left town), c) a great defense (again, improvement – but they’re not bad…too lazy to look up stats – sorry). Shanahan hasn’t had all three of these since taking the job. Let’s not forget Snyder’s love of winning free agency…AND, if they release all of their expected cap “casualties” (possibly including Cooley) – they have enough money to bring in Peyton, Wayne, Clark, and anyone else that’s hitting free agency from the Colts. Then they drop they’re fourth round pick on a LT and hope Peyton can get his arm strength back when/if the nerve heals.

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by texpatriateCO on Feb 8, 2012 4:23 PM CST reply actions  

No way he goes to the Redskins. Shanahan fancies himself a WCO guru and a play-calling genius.

He will not cede the kind of control of the offense Peyton will need to be…Peyton.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 8, 2012 4:48 PM CST up reply actions  

I think Peyton may not be in position to dominate the offense like he used to

I don’t know if you’re old enough to remember the Elway feuds of the early 90’s. He was one of the only QB’s to call his own plays. He would request a personell Package from the sidelines (like 3 WR’s, or 2 TE’s) and would then call his own plays. They were pretty good, but never could win a championship. When Shanahan took over, they ran the offense you see now in Houston. Elway sceded control to a true offensive coordinator, one that ran the ball a lot more, and they went on to win multiple championships that way. If Peyton wants to win championships, I think he’s going to have to go that route. If his ego doesn’t let him do that, then that just tells you he’s about the stats and not the rings…

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by Drill Sarge on Feb 8, 2012 5:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Oh, I'm WAY old enough to remember those days.

I also remember Terrell Davis showing up and setting that ZBS offense on fire, kinda like Arian is doing in Houston. Elway was a superb, athletic QB, but he wasn’t enough to win a SB until TD got there.

Why would a team want Peyton? Because he’s such a great pure passer? No, because he’s PEYTON. He comes to the line of scrimmage in total command of the offense and screws with the mind of the defense. He’s an OC on the field; no other QB has ever shown that kind of genius-on-the-fly. It’s the biggest part of why he’s the GOAT. If he doesn’t do that for you, you aren’t getting your money’s worth.

Shanahan would not be able to stand that. He’s an offensive control freak who would not be able to hand over that much power to his QB. Peyton just wouldn’t work in Washington.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 8, 2012 6:06 PM CST up reply actions  

You are talking

about what he used to do, not what he can do now. Changing plays at the line doesn’t really matter if you can’t throw the ball, and you can’t really do that if you get hit hard and are paralyzed.

by Bobbythegreat on Feb 8, 2012 6:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Duh. If he physically can't perform, it's all moot.

If he can’t play up to his standards, he will retire.

My guess is that’s exactly what is going to happen.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 8, 2012 7:27 PM CST up reply actions  

I think the point is that Payton would not want to play for Shanny

and that Shanny wouldn’t want Payton. Not a skill set issue, more of a personality conflict.

Payton will not want to do what Elway did. His forte’ is to run the offense from the line of scrimmage, not take plays from the bench. I also don’t think he is about stats. I think he loves to play the way he plays, and if he can’t do it his way, he’ll either play for someone else or not at all.

The later is how I think it will turn out. I think he will have fall to a subordinate role no matter what team he goes to, and I don’t think he will accept that.

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by professortex on Feb 8, 2012 7:42 PM CST up reply actions  

This is also why I think he will become an offensive coordinator very soon.

I think he likes the strategy aspect of the game more than the physical aspect of it.

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by professortex on Feb 8, 2012 7:44 PM CST up reply actions  

i dont

i think once he retires he will be done. he has a family to raise and i believe that if he isn’t playing football then he wants no part of it. same thing his dad did.

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by NoSafetiesNeeded on Feb 9, 2012 12:03 AM CST up reply actions  

the booth

pays as much, and is a much better way for a father to make a living.

TJ must throw 30 times for us to win.

by texanphil on Feb 9, 2012 12:21 PM CST up reply actions  

The last time he was succesful......

He had Gary Kubiak running his offesne.

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by Hydroshock on Feb 9, 2012 3:51 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't know if you're being sarcastic, but there is some truth to that

The QB’s in Denver after Elway all pointed to Kubiak as the guy that helped them the most, not Shanahan. Plummer led them to the AFC championship game, and he kills Shanahan everytime he gets a chance and praises Kubiak.

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by Drill Sarge on Feb 10, 2012 12:58 AM CST up reply actions  

No sarcasm at all

Shanny never won anything without Kubiak.

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by Hydroshock on Feb 10, 2012 11:24 AM CST up reply actions  

Too bad for the Redskins they never noticed that.

I give him 2 more years max in DC.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 10, 2012 12:42 PM CST up reply actions  

If he plays

he’ll go to the Seahawks, Cardinals, or Chiefs. They’re the teams that are closest to being good without “franchise” quarterbacks.

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by Foster Child on Feb 8, 2012 4:26 PM CST reply actions  

Not Seahawks. Who really believes in Pete Carroll?

Cardinals or Chiefs? Absolutely, though Arizona might not want to give up on Kolb so quickly.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 8, 2012 4:51 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I forgot about the Pete Carroll (PC) d-baggery

I really don’t think Manning plays again…he’ll be given a soft “ambassador” or coaching job for the Colts.

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by Foster Child on Feb 8, 2012 5:12 PM CST up reply actions  

I agree the chances are he's done, but there's no way I see him working for Irsay.

Talk about d’bags…

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by FreedomRide on Feb 8, 2012 6:14 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey, say what you will about Pete Carroll,

The defense he’s put together is legit. The offense isn’t bad either, AND they went 7-9 with Tarvaris Jackson. If you put a legitimate quarterback there, that’s easily an 11+ win team. But he’ll probably not go there.

If anything the Hawks will probably go after Matt Flynn.

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by UprootedTexan on Feb 8, 2012 5:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Why settle for less?

This guy makes an interesting argument.

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by Foster Child on Feb 8, 2012 5:53 PM CST up reply actions  

Well first off, there's no guarantee the Peyton we knew and swore at will return,

Second, even if he does, how much more does he have in the tank?

I mean, if we were talking about getting him for a couple of years, then sure. But then the Hawks would be back to looking for their next franchise QB once he retires.

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by UprootedTexan on Feb 8, 2012 7:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Here's your dream scenario:

The Seahawks wheel-and-deal and get Manning AND Flynn. Manning helps the team win in the present while he grooms Flynn as his future replacement. If Manning isn’t up to snuff, then Flynn takes over sooner than expected.

Easy as cake!

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by Foster Child on Feb 8, 2012 7:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Peyton ain't groomin' anybody.

He wants to play football, and his years left to play are few.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 8, 2012 8:35 PM CST up reply actions  

Curtis Painter

agrees with this statement

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by Barryfromtexas on Feb 8, 2012 9:59 PM CST up reply actions  

What are you talking about

Flynn was drafted 4 years ago, theres no more grooming to do. He’s going to go get paid, not agree to sit behind another QB again.

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by DaGoaT on Feb 9, 2012 1:24 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't actually thiink it's going to happen

that’s why I said

dream scenario

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by Foster Child on Feb 9, 2012 1:47 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly

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by Hydroshock on Feb 9, 2012 3:56 PM CST up reply actions  

"...say what you will about Pete Carroll,..."

OK.

I think the guy is a douchebag with talent. If he were the Texans’ HC, I would be main-lining bleach until the day he was gone.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 8, 2012 6:11 PM CST up reply actions  

I watched part of a Seahawks game this season

First time I really ever saw Lynch playing. I would say they are a good QB away from being a good team.

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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 8, 2012 8:39 PM CST up reply actions  

What about 49ers?

They are a serious Superbowl contender, and could use an upgrade at QB. I could see Manning playing there.

Also, what about the Ravens? Flacco isn’t “elite” enough, he’s just serviceable and that could give that team a huge edge in the AFC.

The other thought is Tampa. They have the money too. I just don’t know if they are SB ready and Peyton is going to want another ring in a 3-4 year stretch.

by MeMongo on Feb 8, 2012 4:45 PM CST reply actions  

You don't take a team that was in a championship game and replace the QB

People are assuming Manning would step right in and raise the level of play. Let’s not forget he’s only been in one system his entire career. The Niners got as far as they did with Alex Smith. He’s not losing his job.

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by Hydroshock on Feb 9, 2012 3:59 PM CST up reply actions  

I could see him trying

to play with KC, Miami, or maybe the Niners. Ultimately though, I think he is done, it’ll be a lot like Vodka this year. Peyton might make another start, but I wouldn’t expect many of them.

by Bobbythegreat on Feb 8, 2012 5:16 PM CST reply actions  

I think it will be a Dark Horse team

much like with Scrabble last year, I think you will hear of 2-3 teams battling it out for him publicly, then all of a sudden he will sign with a team that was seemly showing no interest.

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by DaGoaT on Feb 8, 2012 5:35 PM CST reply actions  

The more i think about it

Dallas makes the most since for the dark horse team. Jerry will quietly pursue Manning and trade Romo if he signs or keep Romo if he goes someplace else.

by BricAM on Feb 8, 2012 5:58 PM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I could see Skeletor trying to make this play.

Dunno if I could see Peyton going for it, though. Working for Jerruh is a special kind of curse.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 8, 2012 6:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't see it either.

Jerruh’s too much of a control freak.

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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 8, 2012 8:40 PM CST up reply actions  

I think the Giants will pick him up as a backup to Eli. Or Carr's backup, whichever.

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by Foster Child on Feb 8, 2012 6:03 PM CST reply actions  

I don't know

Do you really think that if Irsay doesn’t pay him that he’ll even play in 2012? Anyways, I think we can all agree he won’t EVER be 100% again. Truthfully I feel like best case scenario he comes back at 80-90% effectiveness. Which still puts him above almost all the rest, but one more bad hit and… I wouldn’t want to put up big bucks and rest my entire team’s season solely on him. Look how well doing so turned out for the Colts in 2011.

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by RayFinkle1985 on Feb 8, 2012 6:46 PM CST reply actions  

Jerome Solomon is mad that Houston is not a choice.

Anyway, I think he retires, but if not, I’ll say Washington. If Snyder wants him, it’s pretty much a blank check.

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by JayRedd on Feb 8, 2012 7:23 PM CST reply actions  

Jerome Solomon is a professional troll.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 8, 2012 8:37 PM CST up reply actions  

Dallas makes alot of sense

Not that I think Peyton will ever play again, but ooking at the marketing dynamics of course it does. ELI vs Peyton 2x a year, plus Jerry puts marketing above football anyway.

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by TEXAN_CHIEF on Feb 8, 2012 7:55 PM CST reply actions  

As we speak, Skeletor is wanking to the idea of Peyton as his QB.

Won’t happen, though. Peyton knows a meth-pit when he sees one.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 8, 2012 8:41 PM CST up reply actions  

Yep. I buy Arizona as one of only maybe 3 real possibilities.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 8, 2012 8:36 PM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, but I don't think Peyton would go there.

Too crazy.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 8, 2012 8:46 PM CST up reply actions  

The first dolphin with a fivehead?

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by Foster Child on Feb 9, 2012 7:37 AM CST up reply actions  

holy crap

these are awesome.

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by DaGoaT on Feb 9, 2012 1:25 PM CST up reply actions  

Here is some more

SomethingAwful Football Funhouse Manning Thread

Credit goes to forums poster Febreeze for taking time out of his busy unemployed days:












by b0ng on Feb 9, 2012 10:16 PM CST up reply actions  

finito...

retire bro.

oh if i could change my screen name it would be more of a "texasbob" type thing.

by Danpassurweenie on Feb 8, 2012 8:52 PM CST reply actions  

Seems like at least one of the guys above guessed correctly

Then again , maybe not.

Only thing anyone can do is guess – we can all justify our reasons, but Peyton himself has not even given an inkling of what he may do (besides saying he wants to play)

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by Barryfromtexas on Feb 8, 2012 10:02 PM CST reply actions  

Peyton retires and becomes a superior OC in the NFL

Doin stuff so nasty that you have to do it twice to confirm the level of nasty!!

by TEXSON on Feb 8, 2012 10:04 PM CST reply actions  

There is no nexus

between beig a good player and being a good coach

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by Barryfromtexas on Feb 8, 2012 10:17 PM CST up reply actions  

Very true,

In fact, if anything, it’s usually the players who weren’t all-time greats or even starters who go on to successful coaching careers.

See: Kubiak, Gary.

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by UprootedTexan on Feb 9, 2012 12:29 AM CST up reply actions  

My theory

Is that when you spend your career as either a backup or even a non-superstar starter, you have to work that much harder to prove your worth, more film time, more practice time, stuff like that. So when they jump to coaching they’re already in that “work harder” mentality.

by BricAM on Feb 9, 2012 6:59 AM CST via mobile up reply actions  

I also think it's because for superstar athletes, their abilities come naturally to them.

Which is fine for a player, but as a coach, you can’t just say “do it like this” and not explain where they’re making mistakes or how to correct them; because they’ve never had to.

Whereas with lower-rung players, players whose talents aren’t quite as natural, they have a better time of diagnosing problems and explaining to players how they can fix them.

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by UprootedTexan on Feb 9, 2012 9:17 AM CST up reply actions  

OK, so I'll add the caviat to TEXSON's claim

If he can articulate what he sees, thinks, and wants he will be a superior OC

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by professortex on Feb 9, 2012 10:12 AM CST up reply actions  

*caveat

If everybody was somebody, then nobody would be anybody - Gilbert and Sullivan

by professortex on Feb 9, 2012 10:13 AM CST up reply actions  

I think Arizona – they’re not that far away from showing that with an excellent QB they’re a contender.

by chunky04 on Feb 9, 2012 12:12 AM CST reply actions  

If he can get back to his old self, I wouldn't mind seeing Peyton in Seahawks blue and green.

He could make them legitimate title contenders immediately.

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by UprootedTexan on Feb 9, 2012 12:31 AM CST reply actions  

Done son.

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by Lone Spot on Feb 9, 2012 8:35 AM CST reply actions  

Manning is after the money, pure and simple.

Don’t believe what anyone else tells you about his divine intentions. Sure, he wants to win. Sure, he has had a great relationship with the Colts. But, when you peel away all the layers, deep down Peyton wants that $28 million. For you Texans fans, think Tony Boselli. He took all the money. He was a great guy. He was a great player. Someone was stupid enough to sign a contract with him not knowing if he could ever play again and he said, “Thank you very much” and he took the money. Why would anyone think that Peyton is any different. This is $28 million, folks. $28 million will buy a lot of aspirin.

That being said, will Polian give it to him? I say it is 50-50. Polian knows that if Peyton does come back, the team vaults back up into being a winner. He might and he might not do it. If he can afford to do it and stay within the confines of the salary cap, I like the odds of Peyton being a Colt next season.

But, that situation still comes back to “will Peyton play.”

Fun, fun topic.

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by Rip Jersey on Feb 9, 2012 8:42 AM CST reply actions  

Some truth here

Money is certainly a huge part of it. Don’t get me wrong, it isn’t necessarily the money, but its the value that a big contract puts on a player. Don’t be fooled by Peyton, he has an enormous ego, and it will be bruised if/when Indy says they don’t think he’s “worth” that amount of money. It isn’t about him wanting money for its monetary value, its status.

That being said, I think he takes a significant paycut for his next team, and it isn’t based solely on money.

by coltsfanbeforemanning on Feb 9, 2012 8:45 AM CST up reply actions  

Agree, it isn't based solely on money

But, as I was saying, peel away the layers and what is at the heart of the situation? 28 million big ones!!! Haha! And, guess what? Based on the contract, as is, Peyton never has to play another down in his life to keep that money. Once Polian gives it to him, it’s Peyton’s money.

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by Rip Jersey on Feb 9, 2012 8:49 AM CST up reply actions  

haha... thats the troof

Its a weird feeling to be excited about the future (and hopefully kicking the Texans butt for the beating you gave us week 1) for the next few years but moving on from our greatest sports figure (in Indianpolis anyways)

by coltsfanbeforemanning on Feb 9, 2012 9:39 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree with you, but Polian was fired.

The new GM is some dude named Ryan Grigson.

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by Foster Child on Feb 9, 2012 10:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, but if he retires, it gets shifted to Indy's retirement account

and they don’t have to carry it on the team books, which will free up a lot of money for them. Peyton gets the money regardless, because whatever team he goes to is gonna give him a good deal, then he gets the guaranteed portion from Indy. This means Indy still has to cough up “dead” money to payton. But if he retires, then there is no dead money, it all goes to retirement account.

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by professortex on Feb 9, 2012 10:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Peyton Manning Revenge Tour 2012

I wouldn’t bet against him.

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by TexansDC on Feb 9, 2012 10:15 AM CST up reply actions  

I think we should call this whole situation

“Catch 18”

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by Rip Jersey on Feb 9, 2012 8:46 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

....which, by the way, was the original title of the book Catch 22, was it not?

See this explanation

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by Rip Jersey on Feb 9, 2012 9:50 AM CST up reply actions  

haha

texans fans for sure bring the knowledge… this and that hilarious brother/sister… umm… inbreeding… of the Titans… cracks me up.

by coltsfanbeforemanning on Feb 9, 2012 9:54 AM CST up reply actions  

You can steal this CFBM and make it yours

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by Rip Jersey on Feb 9, 2012 10:10 AM CST up reply actions  

I guess the Texans situation could be called "Drop 12"

or “Toast 25”

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by Foster Child on Feb 9, 2012 10:12 AM CST up reply actions   1 recs

From the novel

“Catch-18” – page 56, chapter 5

There was only one catch and that was Catch-18, which specified that a concern for one’s health in the face of the dangers of the NFL that were real and immediate was the process of a rational mind. Manning was crazy and could be retired. All he had to do was ask; and as soon as he did, he would no longer be crazy and would have to play more games. Manning would be crazy to play more games and sane if he didn’t, but if he were sane he had to play them. If he played them he was crazy and didn’t have to; but if he didn’t want to he was sane and had to. Polian was moved very deeply by the absolute simplicity of this clause of Catch-18 and let out a respectful whistle as he signed over the $28 million.

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by Rip Jersey on Feb 9, 2012 10:29 AM CST up reply actions  

It would be funny if Polian forked over $28 million...

Since he doesn’t work there any more.

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by Foster Child on Feb 9, 2012 12:12 PM CST up reply actions  

We need to be able to edit!!!

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by Rip Jersey on Feb 9, 2012 1:39 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

Texans wouldn't want Peyton?

I figured he’d be a great fit here. He’s always deserved a great offensive line, solid receivers, and stud running backs. And plenty of cap space.

Personally, I would hate it, but I think the Texans are one of the very best fits for him.

by coltsfanbeforemanning on Feb 9, 2012 8:43 AM CST reply actions  

I doubt they would want him

they have Schaub, who we all know can throw a football, no one knows if Manning can. I would think Manning coming back at 36 after missing more than a year of football recovering from 3 neck surgeries in 2 years and serious nerve damage that has taken away all of his arm strength would be an absolute long shot and not worth it.

by Bobbythegreat on Feb 9, 2012 11:02 AM CST up reply actions  

Not to mention we can't afford him.

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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 9, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

As for that, I don't buy it

You can afford Peyton easily by letting Mario go and trading Schaub. Not that Kubes would do it.

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by OremLK on Feb 9, 2012 8:05 PM CST up reply actions  

He would if he knows Schaub's throwing stuff is messed up.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 9, 2012 8:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Would be pretty scary, huh?

No matter how little sense it ultimately makes, and despite what all of us would tell you… Deep down inside the mere thought of Peyton in a Texans jersey excites us at least a little bit. Should or would it happen? No. Never. With the injury, the money, the FAs we would have to lose to sign a big question mark… Bad idea. Whoever signs him unproven right here is an idiot in my opinion until proven otherwise.

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by RayFinkle1985 on Feb 9, 2012 11:06 AM CST up reply actions  

The thought of the

Peyton Manning from 5 years ago in a Texans jersey should excite, not the thought of the current Peyton Manning in a Texans jersey though.

by Bobbythegreat on Feb 9, 2012 11:08 AM CST up reply actions  

Huh? For normal teams maybe...

For the Texans, even 2010 Peyton excites me. Even in Peyton’s “bad year” he was still slightly better than Schaub, and need I remind you about David Carr?

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by RayFinkle1985 on Feb 9, 2012 11:16 AM CST up reply actions  

Well...

Replace *normal with *luckier. It could always be worse. At least we have Schaub.

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by RayFinkle1985 on Feb 9, 2012 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

My point was that the thought of the historical Peyton Manning

in a Texans uniform would be a nice thought, the though of the current Peyton Manning in a Texans uniform, not so much.

by Bobbythegreat on Feb 9, 2012 11:19 AM CST up reply actions  

can't hurt to imagine....

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by Rip Jersey on Feb 9, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions  

Yes this is true.

The thought of normal regular ol’ Peyton Manning running my Texans offense literally makes my balls tingle. Open up the pass with Foster and our OL. Tear up the endzone with Peyton to Johnson. Defense gets on the field and stops them short. Rinse, repeat. It’s like a guarenteed Super Bowl…. Sigh. Only in magical fantasy land.

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by RayFinkle1985 on Feb 9, 2012 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

With no salary cap?

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by Jonathan Fosburgh on Feb 9, 2012 11:38 AM CST up reply actions  

Salary cap was touched on in an earlier reply to this thread

This is purely fantasy. Like I said, it couldn’t happen, and it wouldn’t happen even if it could.

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by RayFinkle1985 on Feb 9, 2012 11:52 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, it's a fun fantasy but

A) It would be a pretty major adjustment for the offense to adapt to Peyton’s style. It might not be the slam dunk success we imagine.

B) The Texans are far too conservative for such a high drama, “win now” move anyway, so it stays way out there in dream land.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 9, 2012 11:45 AM CST up reply actions  

i love that picture... brings a smile to my face

anyways, I do think Peyton is better than Schaub, and by a pretty big % (if he can throw at 100%). Not a slight against Schaub, who I feel is an above average QB, but more of a compliment towards Peyton.

One thing the Texans have done extremely well for the past 4 years is fill in holes. Peyton hasn’t had a receiver the quality of Andre Johnson his whole career. Marvin Harrison was great over a long period of time, but I don’t think he is as talented nor gives the options that a specimen such as Andre Johnson gives. Solid defensive players playing much better schematically. Fantastic (best in the league IMO) offensive line. One of the top 5 backs.

The list goes on and on. The texans are one of the most talented teams. For reals.

I don’t know if Manning’s style would mesh well, but its hard to imagine your offense wouldn’t at least be on the same level with him, if not likely better.

I want to see #18 win another before he rides into the sunset, regardless of where it is.

by coltsfanbeforemanning on Feb 9, 2012 12:01 PM CST up reply actions  

It would be fun to watch Peyton throw to 'Dre

but that’s what Pro Bowls are for if they both get there again

by MeMongo on Feb 9, 2012 12:18 PM CST up reply actions  

The guy is a jackass...

He has been a beneficiary of the circumstances he has been put into. He is not someone who has turned a bad situation into a good one.

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by Barrett on Feb 9, 2012 2:06 PM CST up reply actions  

Not saying the Texans’ current situation is a bad one, mind you. Quite the contrary, it just needs some tweaking.

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by Barrett on Feb 9, 2012 2:08 PM CST up reply actions  

but what would Kubiak do

with his fold-out chart if Peyton calls the offense?

TJ must throw 30 times for us to win.

by texanphil on Feb 9, 2012 12:30 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs

You kid, but that's actually a serious question.

Bringing Peyton in would be quite a culture change for the offense.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 9, 2012 12:32 PM CST up reply actions  

Well, you’d have to tender Arian and let Mario go. You’d have to trade Schaub to afford Manning even if his contract is incentive-based. In that case, he’s affordable. And TJ is our backup, same as our current plan.

Now, about the culture change. With his arm strength back, he’s our best option. He’d probably put us near the top of his list, since we play Irsay twice a year, and should be a contender even without him. We should be able to know his arm strength before we’d sign him, since we don’t need a QB, so we’d pick him up later. He’d have to turn down the early offers for us to be even considered.

Kubiak would probably welcome this, except for the trading Schaub factor. This isn’t how things are run here, and I don’t see it happening. If Schaub is gimpy, or has some complications, its a far-fetched option, but one of our options none the less.

TJ must throw 30 times for us to win.

by texanphil on Feb 9, 2012 1:02 PM CST up reply actions  

"...If Schaub is gimpy, or has some complications.."

That’s the question for this season, and it’s not just about his foot, either.

I’m nearly convinced that the Texans are hiding some chronic problem with Schaub’s arm/shoulder. If it’s true and Manning’s arm recovers in time, this far-out fantasy could get real in a hurry.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 9, 2012 1:12 PM CST up reply actions  

Can't afford him

Its just simple numbers. Plus no promise that he is healthy.

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by DaGoaT on Feb 9, 2012 1:29 PM CST up reply actions  

To me, talking about what the Texans would be like

next year with Peyton Manning as QB is the exact same as talking about what the Texans would be like with Joe Montana, Dan Marino, or John Elway as QB. It’s the stuff of video games to try to simulate what a current team would be like with a former player, not reality.

by Bobbythegreat on Feb 9, 2012 1:06 PM CST reply actions  

to clarify further

I think that the Texans would do just as well with the current form of Joe Montana at QB as they would do with the current form of Peyton Manning.

by Bobbythegreat on Feb 9, 2012 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

it's not that far-fetched

the only question is his health. apparently he has been talking to chris weinke who had a similar procedure, and he said his arm was stronger after he healed. so IF peyton can get back to pre-injury, he already said next contract will be performance based. we would be foolish not to consider it, if he’s got 3 good years left in him with our team it is not unrealistic to think we could contend every year for the title.

but it’s all a big ’ol IF.

by danbo316 on Feb 9, 2012 2:50 PM CST reply actions  

He won't be ready by September

word is he’s still got noodle arm and nobody knows how fast the nerves will regenerate if at all.

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by pecosbob on Feb 9, 2012 3:17 PM CST reply actions  

Heard this afternoon on NFL radio that he cannot throw to his left. That doesn't sound good.

Still, I’ve seen a member of my family experience a remarkable nerve regeneration, so it can happen.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 9, 2012 4:04 PM CST up reply actions  

I would love to see him in Houston

Hear me out

Schaub is a great QB but he ain’t Peyton Manning
Schaub is under contract and is very trade-able
Schaub could fetch a 1st and 3rd probably (SEA, WAS, MIA, CLE, IND, DEN, ARI all need QBs)
Peyton would be play for 2-3 more years
Peyton wants 1-2 more Superbowls, with the Texans he’s got a great chance
Schaub has no reason to mentor Yates, Peyton does.
Yates showed great promise

Vegas has 15:1 odds that Houston will win the Superbowl next year, those odds would shoot straight up if they made a move for Peyton Manning

Peyton want to win, he doesn’t care about the money, his contract would be reasonable.

So Houston gets Manning + an extra 1st and 3rd and an exellent mentor for the young QB that showed lots of promisse

How is this not an excellent destination for Peyton Manning?
Yates showed enormous potential and 3years from now

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by keysh67 on Feb 9, 2012 5:51 PM CST reply actions  

"Schaub could fetch a 1st and 3rd probably"

I think you’re over-estimating there, considering his injury history. A couple of 2s, maybe.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 9, 2012 6:07 PM CST up reply actions  

He stayed healthy in both 2010 & 2009 so I’m not sure that he can be tagged as injury prone.

There are 7 teams that seriously need to upgrade the position and just 2 guys in the draft that potentially can be franchise guys that start right away (and even at that, I’m not convinced that RGIII is a first year starter)

So 7 teams (-2 QBs) means 5 needy teams, trust me – he’s worth way more that 2x second rounders.

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by keysh67 on Feb 9, 2012 6:48 PM CST up reply actions  

"He stayed healthy in both 2010 & 2009 so I’m not sure that he can be tagged as injury prone."

He’s completed full seasons twice out of five. NFL people notice this kind of thing.

Fair? Maybe not, but it affects his value.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 9, 2012 7:12 PM CST up reply actions  

It's a moot point

I don’t see Kubiak giving up on Schaub in order to butt heads with Manning over how the offense should be run. There are legitimate arguments why it shouldn’t happen as well, but that’s the reason it won’t happen.

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by OremLK on Feb 9, 2012 8:04 PM CST up reply actions  

if he is 100% and wants to come to houston

you have to at least listen. you have to

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by AllenOU on Feb 10, 2012 11:55 AM CST reply actions  

Even if he is 100%, I don't think the Texans will listen--unless Smithiak is starting to have doubts about Schaub.

If they bring Manning in to talk about his coming to Houston, that will be a sign to me they believe they have a problem. They would not undermine their franchise QB in that way unless they were really serious about making a move.

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by FreedomRide on Feb 10, 2012 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Does anyone know anymore detail about the "likely to be earned" incentives?

I’m curious how that would factor into a deal for Manning (not for us, just in general). It seems like it could be a nightmare not just trying to find a deal acceptable to him but also how it would relate to the cap.

Let’s take a simple setup just for an example – Team X offers Manning $1 mil per game played (including playoffs too if you want). How much of that would actually count as a cap hit? How do you determine what is likely to be earned when he didn’t play last year and there doesn’t seem to be a consensus on his prognosis for this year?

These type of bonuses typically aren’t that big percentage wise for other players, but in Manning’s unique situation I could see it being the bulk of his deal. It actually works for both parties – if he is capable and willing to play someone would gladly pay, and if he isn’t he would probably rather just retire so there wouldn’t be risk for him or the team.

I don’t know if it’s just a complication or a potential loop hole for an owner with deep pockets, but I find it damn curious.

by Jason Brown on Feb 10, 2012 5:31 PM CST reply actions  

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