Would you trade...
by theSpaceCityKid on Feb 8, 2012 3:21 PM CST
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Our 1st and 3rd round pick to the San Diego Chargers to move up to #18 if Michael Floyd is still available? I think he is a player that has the ability to immediately contribute in a big way and also a high enough ceiling to "replace" Andre at the WR1 position. I do not think we will ever have a shot at a WR talent like Dre again, unless we become terrible again and nobody wants that. A year like this is rare, where retaining your own guys in free agency is the number one priority and there are no gaping holes to fill. I doubt we will have the chance to take a WR in the 1st rd again soon, as more glaring needs will take precedent going forward. Of course this is based on San Diego accepting and if they didnt I would leave the offer on the table to Chicago at #19 but they might want Floyd themselves.
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Too much WR Talent to trade up for one
This draft is deep enough that a good WR might fall in rounds 2-4.
FA period has a lot of talent in the WR pool as well.
True arrogance has been displayed here- WestministerRavensfan or something
Hi My name is Jack, why don't you help me off?
Well if it's a simple 1st round swap and a 3rd round pick that wouldn't be bad.
But with Vincent Jackson leaving they may want to take him instead.
Prediction: 11-5 AFC South champions.
Don't trust Floyd because of the DWIs.
I wouldn’t even take him if he fell to #26.
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If both were there at #26, I'd take Alshon Jeffery over Floyd everyday
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"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 9, 2012 8:58 PM CST up reply actions
Truly.
A lush is a long term problem.
“Hit rock bottom” is the operative phrase.
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I wouldn't take Floyd or Jeffery in the first round
Jefferey is not really an all around reciever. He’s kind of a poor man’s Plaxico. He’s a decent red zone target, but he doesn’t have enough speed in the middle of the field.
Floyd is a superior talent, but is one strike away from doing some serious jail time (he’s still on probation right now). Too much at risk to give him first round money and get no production out of him if he has to miss time for legal reasons.
I don’t think the Texans will target either, and frankly I think the Texans will trade out of the first round and take one of the second tier WR’s. There is not a lot seperating some of these guys and there is some real value there.
"...you may all got hell, and I will go to Texas!"
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by Drill Sarge on Feb 10, 2012 12:33 AM CST up reply actions
Who do you think would be a willing trading partner for the #26 spot??
Murphy’s 20th Military Law:
If it’s stupid, but it works, it ain’t stupid
"Fuck em all. Go Texans."
by The Night Owl on Feb 10, 2012 1:04 AM CST up reply actions
BPA
Someone will slide, and then a team will trade up to get him. Texans will hold a good position for these type of trade.
True arrogance has been displayed here- WestministerRavensfan or something
Hi My name is Jack, why don't you help me off?
I keep thinking it's going to be cleveland at 36.
I think they would like to make a splash with 3 1st rd picks. I think they could very well end up with say Blackmon, Decastro, and Fleener with the 4th, 22nd, and 26th. could be a homerun for Cleveland. We would pick at 36. The rest of the trade could be flip 3rd rd picks with them (we pick 68th and they pick 90th). We’d then probably pick up an extra 5th rd pick from them.
I think that would be win/win for both teams.
"...you may all got hell, and I will go to Texas!"
-Davey Crockett
by Drill Sarge on Feb 10, 2012 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
moving up 8 spots
would take our second rounder, not the third. Not worth it in any case. None of the guys in this years draft are head and shoulders above the pack to justify moving up.
The Houston Texans: The Ron Paul of the NFL.
...and I'm not sure about him.
RGIII might turn out to be a better NFL QB. If I was the Colts’ draft master, I don’t think my mind would be made up yet. RGIII has better physical skills in nearly every way.
The Browns are crazy if they don’t take him. Colt might be decent some day, but RGIII can be elite.
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by FreedomRide on Feb 10, 2012 10:50 AM CST up reply actions
I'll take Luck for the NFL, although I agree RGIII could be special as he's one of those guys who is the best athlete on the field
So the big question is whether RGIII translates into a success like Cam Newton or Michael Vick, or if he is a bust like Vince Young or Kordell Stewart as an elite athletic QB who can run and throw like an immortal in college. I tend to think he’s so smart and athletic that he’ll transcend above all of these examples.
With Andrew we have to wonder if he’ll be the next John Elway or Peyton Manning, or if he’ll bust like Ryan Leaf or Matt Leinart.
Andrew Luck:
Co-valedictorian at Stratford HS, threw for 7,139 yards, ran for 2,085, and scored 53 TDs
He broke John Elway’s TD records at Stanford: 37 in one season vs 27 by Elway (and 32 from Luck’s own previous record the year before), and 82 career TDs vs Elway’s 77
His 3,791 yards of total offense also are a school record, breaking the old record of 3,398 yards held by Stenstrom. Luck also set new Stanford single season records for completion percentage (71.3% – Pac 12 record) and pass efficiency rating (170.2 – also a Pac 12 record).
He set another school record for career total offense with 10,387 yards, breaking Steve Stenstrom’s mark of 9,825 yards. Luck became Stanford’s all-time leader in wins by a starting quarterback, with 31 wins through the end of the regular season.
All of that in a run heavy offense at Stanford.
PROs: 6’ 4", Highly intelligent, can carry a “college” team on his own talent toward victory, doesn’t show weakness under pressure. Rated “Elite” in five key categories for QB: Decision making, pocket mobility, accuracy, toughness/leadership, release/arm strength.
CONs: Didn’t win the Heisman, but was runner-up in 2010 and 2011
RGIII:
Rushed for a total of 2,161 yards and 32 touchdowns, while passing for 3,357 yards and 41 touchdowns with nine interceptions at Copperas Cove High School.
At Baylor: 10,071 yards passing, 77 TDs, 17 Ints; 2,199 yards rushing, 32 TDs
PROs: Highly intelligent, can carry a “college” team on his own talent toward victory, highly gifted athlete with World-class speed. Rated “Elite” in three of five key categories for QB: Pocket mobility, accuracy, release/arm strength. Rated “Above average” in two of five key categories for QB: Decision making, toughness/leadership.
CONs: 6’2", previous ACL tear in 2009, smaller college program, has the Heisman curse to overcome in the NFL, struggles reading defenses and, at times, relies too much on his raw athleticism, and worked in mostly a spread offense.
I think both of these guys will be great NFL QBs. At the very least, they most likely won’t be as big a bust as JaMarcus Russell:
Funny video.
That’s what’s going to happen to Government Street in Mobile. Rumor around town says Jamarcus is up to 400# now.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
Re. Luck and RGIII:
I think the chances of Luck being another Leaf are almost nil. He could turn out to be another Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco, though, which would be a lot less than everyone’s expecting of him.
RGIII definitely has more bust potential, for the reasons you gave. Somehow, I doubt he will be. If he can get the pro-style offense down, it would not shock me to see him become the better player of the two.
"How can an idiot be a policeman? Answer me that!"
-Chief Inspector Dreyfus
if i had to choose
i wouldnt trade up for him, no. however, if it was one of those “we take a receiver in the 1st” (no trade up/down) and it was between jeffery or floyd, id rather take floyd. i know, he has his issues. but, i also think they were made by a young kid, who was stupid in doing it. you put him in the right spot, hes an all-pro receiver. now, if i was the bears, jags, etc… i wouldnt take him- those arent good spots because they lack vetern leadership. houston would be good for him though- learn from dre, have dre, arian, schaub, meco, cushing, JoJo, et. al, as people he can look up to and lean on. you really cant be in a much better spot. of course, that argument works with jeffery too- but, like people will mention, if hes just playing for bucks, nothing will change that- his work ethic is one of the biggest knocks on him. you can put him in the right spot but if he doesnt want to work, he wont. im not a jeffery fan and i dont ever want to see him here unless by some miracle chance he drops down to 220 before the combine and shows hes ready to play. id rather take a risk on someone who has the work ethic and will work, hard but may have a few character knocks than someone who doesnt want to put in the time and effort to be great.
having said that, i dont want either. i dont care who we pick up (so long as its not jeffery) as long as we get a good WR in the draft.
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